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PS5 Pro's PSSR upscaler tested against FSR 3.1 and Nvidia DLSS 3.7 in Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart

Just one implementation in one game - but the results are compelling.

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bababooiy187d ago

Its the worst of the bunch, as most people outside the Sony bubble expected. But if you do play on Playstation this is still a great feature and itll only get better moving forward.

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VersusDMC187d ago

"Based on today's testing, there are areas where PSSR is vastly superior to FSR 3.1, the technology it is most frequently likely to replace and to the eye, it's easily preferable."

It is not the worst of the bunch. I guess we know what bubble you're in to blatantly lie.

Einhander1972187d ago (Edited 187d ago )

That is not the conclusion he makes at all.

PSSR beat FSR as far as I can recall in every test he does. PSSR even beats DLSS in a couple ways though DLSS is still the best over all.

Keep in mind DLSS is version 3.7 PSSR hasn't even been released to the public.

PSSR is a really great entry for consoles into AI upscaling.

LordoftheCritics187d ago (Edited 187d ago )

Keep in mind PSSR had DLSS to reference from, the one that pioneered this.

It's not like all the other ones started from scratch.

Only DLSS started from 1, everyone else used that launch pad.

Einhander1972187d ago

LordoftheCritics

Checkerboard on PS4 Pro was the first hardware based upscaler 2 years before DLSS 1.0. Granted that was not AI/ML but it was PlayStation innovation that started the trend. And going further back the PS3 Cell chip and it's SPU's are basically the initial design for the modern CU all GPU's use.

Obscure_Observer187d ago

"PSSR beat FSR as far as I can recall in every test he does. PSSR even beats DLSS in a couple ways though DLSS is still the best over all."

So now DF aren´t a bunch of liars to a point you´re even following them and commenting on their every analysis/tests on the PS5 Pro?

You´re such a hypocrite. Smdh.

DLSS>PSSR>FSR. Same results they got the first time when they didn´t even had native footage.

In your delusional mind you though PSSR would beat DLSS when everyone was telling you it wouldn´t.

You were expecting this thing to perform miracles and now you´re dealing with hard cold facts.

It´s a great upscaller no doubt, but it´s not awesome or the superior upscaller in the market. Period!

Einhander1972187d ago

Obscure_Observer

First off I stand by what I said. Especially things like when they said Hellblade 2 didn't have any frame drops when elanalistadebits as well as others showed that it did have drops into the mid 20's or the games where they said graphical settings were the same when the PS5 clearly has things like better textures or draw distance ect. a good example would be Baldur's Gate 3.

That said, I have noticed a change in the way they are covering the PS5 Pro, especially when compared to how they covered the PS4 Pro or even the PS5. I have wondered why, perhaps they got a little nervous over the fact that Sony stopped sending them anything, or perhaps simply the fact that Microsoft doesn't have a competing product means they can or are choosing to report on the PS5 Pro differently.

And for the rest of it you're just putting words in my mouth, I never once said PSSR was or even would be better than DLSS, in fact PSSR largely performs better compared to DLSS than I thought it would.

What I have said is that PS5 Pro would be able to play games quality modes at 60 fps, which I would say has been true, and I am confident that going forward it will be even more the case. I also think GTA6 will have a 60 FPS mode on PS5 Pro, but I don't even think it'll be exclusive to the Pro, I think the PS5 will have a 60 FPS mode as well. I think it's just what consumers expect and it's pretty rare (outside of Microsoft) for any major publishers to not add one.

But one thing is certain it is the superior AI upscaler on consoles by at least 100%.

I look forward to seeing the comparisons between Halo on PS5 Pro vs xbox.

Obscure_Observer186d ago

"First off I stand by what I said. Especially things like when they said Hellblade 2 didn't have any frame drops when elanalistadebits as well as others showed that it did have drops into the mid 20's"

False. DF did covered one segment where frame drops because of a BUG. The games runs at locked 30fps under very demanding segments featuring heavy rain, thunderstorm, fire, lava, smoke, and explosions all been processed at the same time while with incredible level of detail for textures, lighting, shadows and animation.

Then the frame drops when she´s climbing down a freaking ladder and you call the game technically flawed because of it? DF covered that part and explained that it´s a bug because obviously climbing a latter with literally nothing happening around the character is not hardware intensive at all, right?

I mean, do you really need someone to explain that to you? Are you really that dense, dude? No, you´re just jealous over the fact that Hellblade II is a technical marvel and UE5 master piece!

"I have wondered why, perhaps they got a little nervous over the fact that Sony stopped sending them anything, or perhaps simply the fact that Microsoft doesn't have a competing product means they can or are choosing to report on the PS5 Pro differently"

Sony did not stop sending them sh!t. Sony just like *any* gaming company in the market *needs* DF to get feedback and improve their hardware and software. They´ll not turn their backs on DF just because you can´t handle criticism towards your beloved all mighty plastic box, and that´s the reason why you´re licking DF´s boots now. Because you don´t have anyone else do resort to, so have some dignity and stick to what you said and don´t use DF information to fuel your narratives.

"And for the rest of it you're just putting words in my mouth, I never once said PSSR was or even would be better than DLSS, in fact PSSR largely performs better compared to DLSS than I thought it would."

Yes, you did. I told that even DLSS can´t do frame generation from a 30fps signal without some major drawbacks like input lag and loss of image quality. And yet, you gone mad and called DF liars for predicting that PSSR wouldn´t be able to make a 30fps GTA 6 game on base consoles to perform at 60fps on the Pro.

You know that the PS5 Pro got only a 10% CPU increase. You know that GTA games are CPU bound. You know that 45% GPU increase is not good enough or faster enough to render native resolutions for modern/current gen games and yet, somehow, you expect PSSR to do all the heavy lifting that PS5 Pro RAW power can´t do and deliver a 60fps experience for GTA 6. Smdh.

"What I have said is that PS5 Pro would be able to play games quality modes at 60 fps, which I would say has been true"

True? Rift Apart doesn´t feature *quality* mode at 60fps. It features *performance* mode with much less detail and elements on screen at 4K/60fps. Very different results from what´s was promised by Cerny.

Einhander1972186d ago (Edited 186d ago )

I didn't even read most of what you said because it starts out with B.S.

"False. DF did covered one segment where frame drops because of a BUG."

No it's drops in combat. I posted a time stamped video showing it drops on both the s and x.

John Linneman literally said "It does reach this target flawlessly in my experience with virtually zero hiccups - it runs at 30fps and 30fps is exactly what you'll get from start to finish."

ElAnalistaDeBits
https://youtu.be/UNwO6WZD0c...

I watched several other videos about it at the time that matched elanalistadebits.

If they said it was a bug that only happened going down a ladder it wasn't in their main video and even if they said that in some other video it's still untrue and proven by multiple people.

Personally, I think you're just making it up.

And I didn't say what you're claiming I said, I 100% guarantee that. You can't just say that I said things, I have a good memory and I know that's not what I ever thought so I wouldn't have said that.

If your comments are just going to be BS and putting words in my mouth I am not even going to reply to you seriously. I'll argue with you every day if that's what you want but not if you're just going to say I said things I didn't say. To be honest I don't even think you ever said to me what your claiming you said, maybe it was someone else... but I honestly just think your making it up to fit this narrative you're trying to pigeon hole me into.

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andy85187d ago

Where on earth do you come to that conclusion? Did you watch it with the sound of

Einhander1972187d ago

And his eyes closed... apparently.

Vits187d ago

It's a bit too early to say definitively. Against DLSS, it's worse, but we haven't seen it go up against XeSS yet.

It does look better than FSR, which shouldn't surprise anyone who knows even a little about how these upscalers work and why FSR isn't in the same category as the competition. However, this video is great news for AMD users, as PSSR is likely just a modified version of whatever model AMD is working on for the RX 8000 series. Based on what was shown, it seems like it will at least be on the same level as Intel.

fr0sty187d ago

There are some isolated cases where PSSR is actually better than DLSS, such as the ray traced reflections not showing the checkerboard rendering as badly, as pointed out in the video, or how certain rounded objects resolve better, with less aliasing. However, in most cases, DLSS is superior.

fr0sty187d ago

The fact that some people are so threatened by the existence of PS5 Pro and the tech innovations it brings to the table is hilarious. It's just a console, calm down.

Firebird360187d ago

@bababooiy
Pssr is in its infancy and matches or beats fsr, which is on iteration 3? What are you on about?
Pssr looks pretty awesome and has massive potential.

gold_drake186d ago

"Based on today's testing, there are areas where PSSR is vastly superior to FSR 3.1"

how did you read that as "the worst of the bunch" ?

genuinely curious ha

repsahj186d ago

@bababooiy

I'm sorry, did you watch the video? LOL.

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Chocoburger187d ago

PSSR is going to improve over time. Its just on 1.0 right now, while FSR is on 3.1, and DLSS is at 3.7, now imagine what PSSR will be like when its at 3.0!

Obscure_Observer187d ago

"PSSR is going to improve over time. Its just on 1.0 right now, while FSR is on 3.1, and DLSS is at 3.7, now imagine what PSSR will be like when its at 3.0!"

It will still be inferior to DLSS 5.7. I mean, assuming that Sony will update PSSR at the same pace as Nvidia.

Destiny1080187d ago

PSSR is not coming to gamepass

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Charlieboy333186d ago

Obscure are you a DLSS fanboy now too?

Obscure_Observer186d ago (Edited 186d ago )

@GravityWells

"You don't know rather it will be inferior or not so your comment amounts to nothing but trolling."

Get a hold of your emotions, kid. I´m talking about simple LOGIC, here. PSSR is NOT *competing* with NVidia´s DLSS!

Nvidia has *reasons* to continue and invest in massive updates for it´s RTX cards especially considering that their upcoming 5K series is just around the corner and I think it´s needless to say they are competing with AMD.

Now, why would Sony invest big money on PSSR updates if there´s literally not competition for it on consoles?

Like I´d said: Simple logic. So next time, do some mental exercise before you act like someone killed your cat.

repsahj186d ago

@GravityWells

Nothing new, obscure is created to be a troll.

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sagapo186d ago (Edited 186d ago )

@ Choco
True, but FSR and DLSS won’t sit on their butts either.
All in all a pretty impressive base Sony has with PSSR already tho.

Chocoburger186d ago

Its good for everyone when all 3 are being worked on simultaneously, to motivate the others, and learn from each other.

ocelot07187d ago

Is it possible they could add pssr to the standard ps5 consoles.

Popsicle187d ago

I would say highly doubtful since it is one of the major selling points for the Pro.

Fishy Fingers187d ago (Edited 187d ago )

Nope.

Its using AMDs new dedicated hardware, so basically just a rebrand/renaming of the next version of FSR which will only be supported on future AMD GPU/APU.

Babadook7187d ago (Edited 187d ago )

No. PSSR is a Sony developed tool. AMD is creating their own though (FSR4). Also on the hardware side of things no AMD card has anything like it but AMDs next cards will do something similar yet most likely different in the future.

Fishy Fingers187d ago (Edited 187d ago )

AMD developed the hardware, AMD produced the hardware and AMD have been working on FSR4 for nearly 12 months while confirming its a move to full AI based using new hardware. Probably just a coincidence.

Its not on any AMD card currently because they havent produced/released anything since 2022. Well, apart from a revised APU for the PS5 Pro. Man, another coincidence.

Its essentially FSR4 bro. Its literally the same name with "PS" slapped on it. It might have some driver modifications/tweaks but is more or less the first introduction into what AMD will have in their next hardware.

Einhander1972187d ago

FSR 4 may use a similar chip, but the software itself will be entirely different. Sony owns the code and logic that run their chip. It's like how PlayStation has it's own driver/software that run PS5 even though it's using AMD hardware.

Similarly PS4 Pro had it's checkerboarding before FSR but they are different in how they work both on the hardware level and functionally how they upscale.

Sony owns and holds the patent for PSSR.

Babadook7187d ago (Edited 187d ago )

"so basically [PSSR is] just a rebrand/renaming of the next version of FSR which will only be supported on future AMD GPU/APU"

You are claiming PSSR is AMDs FSR software here. Remember that is what I challenged. Let's see if you could back it up?

"AMD developed the hardware, AMD produced the hardware and AMD have been working on FSR4 for nearly 12 months while confirming its a move to full AI based using new hardware. Probably just a coincidence."

This "coincidence" doesn't prove the claim you're making.

"It's not on any AMD card currently because they havent produced/released anything since 2022. Well, apart from a revised APU for the PS5 Pro. Man, another coincidence."

Uh. I can't even guess what that coincidence is here. It doesn't prove your claim. It has in fact happened that Sony hardware came out first and then the AMD hardware came out after and took ideas Sony came up with.

"It's essentially FSR4 bro. It's literally the same name with "PS" slapped on it. It might have some driver modifications/tweaks but is more or less the first introduction into what AMD will have in their next hardware."

No. The first S in PSSR is "spectral". Different names; fundamentally different approaches. Your logic is lacking sir. And to recap there is no evidence PSSR is an AMD creation.

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ANIALATOR136187d ago

Isn't there a dedicated AI chip in the PS5 Pro? So no chance on the standard model. It will definitely be standard in the PS6 though.

DustMan187d ago (Edited 187d ago )

Using a 3080. I feel some games are developed using FSR in mind, or vice versa for DLSS. Maybe it's on a system by system basis. However FSR on Final Fantasy 16 nearly (with my eyes) looks just as good as dlss, and I really find it difficult to see significant differences. DLSS in general works better across the board, but sometimes ticking over to FSR has given me some performance boosts so I don't shun it as this vastly inferior tech. It not being hardware based is pretty impressive as well, and nvidia not having something similar for 30 series card for frame gen was such a anti-consumer move that I'm hesitant to even build another rig.

In the end all that matters is that we are happy with what we are playing no matter what's "better."
I'm good playing games @ 1440p. My only must is that it needs to be 60fps minimum.

In a perfect world I'd love consoles to add some more graphics settings. Let me choose what resolution I want to play at. Let me decide where I want to make visual compromise. I know the appeal for console is the simplicity, but I'm not talking about having an entire PC suite of settings. Just some basic modifiers that are known to have significant performance impact. Not what basically amounts too look good and run poor, or look not as good but run a little better.

Just my opinion. I know I never mentioned PSSR but if Sony can pull of hardware based AI well that truly gives $2000+ pc's a run for their money. If they implemented minor graphic setting adjustments. I believe Sony could truly convert a ton of PC only gamers. This speaking as a current PC only gamer.

LoveSpuds186d ago (Edited 186d ago )

I understand the point you are making squire, but I think the majority of console gamers use the PS5 because they want to avoid messing with settings and tweaking options. I dont think the majority of console gamers are at the same 'enthusiast' level that you seem to be at mate.

DustMan185d ago

I love PC gaming. Yes. I'm not saying to introduce a full set of PC level tweaking ability. Just something that would let you make small tweaks with an explanation of what each does. Like just have each marked as performance or quality. Not just 2 choices between ugly, but fast, or good looking & slow. I don't really see it as complicated. Just make it absolutely bare bones. Kids are born with phones and tablets in their hands, and I don't think it'd take long for it to become a norm.

I am a enthusiast for gaming in general. I've owned every console made since the NES, with exception to the 3DO, and Jaguar. I just didn't dive into the PS5 or Xbox this generation because It just didn't make sense when my PC could handle everything the ps5 has come out with, and knew that sony would be releasing some of their exclusives on PC. I'm hoping the PS6 is a legit bad ass console that'll keep me from wanting to make obviously far more expensive PC.

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How ‘Assassin’s Creed Shadows’ Did Dual Protagonists Right (And Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart Didn’t)

Shaz from Pixel Swish: “Both Insomniac Games and Ubisoft have given us games with dual protagonists. However, where Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart’s duo feel exactly the same, Assassin’s Creed Shadow’s Yasuke and Naoe feel unique.”

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-Foxtrot19d ago

They are exactly the same because it's another version of Ratchet within the multiverse. It's not Ratchet himself or a female version of him but it's someone else who's taken his place / role within that Universe.

The_Hooligan17d ago

Agreed! A better comparison take would have been between AC Syndicate and AC Shadows.

gold_drake19d ago

with ratchet, they are the same, they play the exact same.

im not even sure why this needs to be said, we all know.

isarai19d ago

They weren't trying to make them play differently, literally 2 versions of the same person. Wo ur saying they failed at something they never set out to do 🤨

Profchaos17d ago

What in the f who even thought of that concept and connect these two games that released years apart and have nothing to do with each other.

You could of said fuel protagonist vs other times where AC did duel protagonist or a game like GTA v that allows for on the fly switching

Like how desperate are they for clicks

Levii_9217d ago

Rivet's character was more useless and forced than Abby from TLOU2.

MULTIVERSESSSSSSS!!! Remember that trend people lol? Also remeber how a beloved vilain Dr Neferious was reduced to a braindead wimp and a parody of himself?

P_Bomb17d ago

“MULTIVERSESSSSSSS!!! Remember that trend people lol?”

It’s still going on. Especially @ Marvel.

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Our First Look At FSR 4? AMD's New AI Upscaling Tech Is Impressive

DigitalFoundry : Running on AMD's new Radeon 9070-series GPUs at CES 2025, a machine learning upscaling demo of Sony's Ratchet and Clank is almost certainly FSR 4 AI upscaling - and as it's running on Ratchet and Clank - our 'go to game' for AI upscaling quality tests, we could really put the tech through its paces. Oliver and Alex are at the show - and this is their report.

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ZycoFox104d ago

They're saying better than PSSR! Impressive.. guess it's really close to Nvidia's solution. I'm interested in seeing how the 9070XT or whatever their highest end card will perform, we already know AMD are only aiming for the mid range (or upper mid range) with these new cards but it will still be interesting to see how they compare to a 5070Ti on price/performance.

But certain apps don't play well with AMD that do with Nvidia cards, shame because these cards could be great/price performance.. but not an issue for pure gamers.

883104d ago

Visually it may well be similar to DLSS, but they were quick to point out that they do not have any actual performance data at this point. Time will tell, but it is definitely promising and good to see them impressing.

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Psychonaut85104d ago

Interesting. Since AMD is largely behind PSSR, they’ve now sort of have two different upscalers in play. Curious to see how it all pans out.

piroh151d ago

There's too many games to choose from

No Metal geat solid 1,2,3,4?
No Resident evil?
No Silent hill?
No Midnight club 3?
No NfS Underground 2?
No Final Fantasy?
No Burnout 3?
No Dragon quest 8?
No Days gone?
No Ace combat?
No Tekken/Soul calibur?......
just from the top of my head

PS1 era was full of great RPGs, PS2 was racing generation i would pick top 200 and even that would be just a fraction.

FinalFantasyFanatic150d ago

30 is way too low over the entire history of Playstation, I just wouldn't be able to narrow it down that much, I would pick 100 at least.

Storm23150d ago

Yeah...really odd list. I get that it is personal preference and I love most of the games listed, but my list would definitely be different. I agree though, it would be incredibly difficult to come up with just 30.

lockedongamer1150d ago (Edited 150d ago )

I only picked first-party titles. Otherwise, I agree!

EDIT: Except for Days Gone, I don't get the love for it but you do you!

Chocoburger141d ago

I didn't like Days Gone either, it doesn't deserve to be on any best of list.

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