Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth: PS5 Pro vs PS5 - A Vast Improvement At 60FPS

Digital Foundry writes: "Based on footage seen here, we're looking at a 60fps presentation that's a huge improvement over the standard PS5 *and* irons out its performance drops. And in some respects, the footage suggests that Pro at 60fps even has advantages over the base machine in its 30fps quality mode."

[repsahj]

Impressive!

[Babadook7]

Yeah. I was already going to buy, but this shows quite a clear benefit.

[Juancho51]

I actually wasnt even sure it was going to be worth it, but the difference is pretty wild. This is also one of my favorite games this year so im happy to see my next playthrough will be on a ps pro. I also agree with another post from earlier this month that this is going to be a great way to enjoy the new GTA title that’s on the horizon, hopefully more games keep being made that take full advantage of the pro but are able to be scaled back for the standard model.

[TheKingKratos]

Juancho

You are dreaming my friend

Any game being made will be made first for the standard ps5 and then see what kind of an enhancement will be made for pro since it's the main console for all developers and the difference will be even smaller since not all games will be as badly optimized as this game ... And if you think GTA6 will show big difference then you are setting yourself for huge disappointment.

[Eonjay]

Sold. This is why I waited. I stopped on chapter 4 cause I had a feeling the Pro would boost this. PSSR is doing the damn thing here in its initial outing. This is really an indictment on AMD tbh because they have not keeps up with Nvidia's DLSS at all. PSSR is not as good as the latest DLSS yet, but in its first iteration it is worlds ahead of FSR. Kinda odd to be having Microsoft and Sony invent their own solutions.

[darthv72]

This says more about Square and their lack of optimization than it does AMD and their FSR.

[Tacoboto]

Yeah. It uses an older version of UE4 that doesn't have the improved TAA/TSR technique in more recent versions.

Also kinda pathetic to buy a console game, then stop playing specifically to wait for the remastered console to finish it.

[Eonjay]

@Darth
I don't follow you. Clearly PSSR is better than FSSR (this doesn't use FSSR. I was making an observation about how much of a benefit AI upscaling is to a game... even if it isn't well optimized to begin with.). I was saying that at this point since the launch of DLSS, AMD should have had a better alternative to the current state of FSSR which is absolutely true. Regardless of what Square is doing, AMD needs to get on the ball. DLSS is such an huge selling point for Nvidia that it doesn't make sense that AMD hasn't really been competitive there.

@Tacoboto
Kinda pathetic to be telling me what to do don't you think? I don't know what part of the internet made you think you can dictate what people HAVE to do with their own time and money but perhaps you should stop trying to ride people who aren't you. Disagreements are fine, but if you want to get personal, by all means, come the hell on down.

[TOTSUKO]

@darthv73
No. FSR is just ass regardless of optimization

[darthv72]

@Jay, AMD is on FSR 3 now and I think are working on 4, but needless to say. They are keeping up with Nvidia and DLSS (which is on 3.5 I think). As I said, this really isnt about AMD but rather Square and the choices they made when using any sort of upscaling and their lack of proper optimization. They could very well come out with an update that adds proper FSR support to resolve many of the low quality issues the base 5 is running into.

Now... they wont even bother because a Pro will just do it for them. They kind of lucked out on that one.

[Eonjay]

@darthv72

No one is trying to give Square credit for this. Clearly everyone agrees with you that they could have done more and still should do more for the OG PS5. This doesn't mitigate the positive effects of AI Upscaling which is what I was getting at.

[Tacoboto]

@Eon

Stop being so triggered. I never once told you what to do. I just called it what it is. Pathetic. Like your response.

Trying to get physical on the internet. Lol. 🤣

[derek]

Hey everyone look at Taco pocketing watching how others spend their money. Frustration among the xbox community knows no bounds.

[Destiny1080]

digital foundry made a point just because its not as good as DLSS so far anyway, sony can work around its flaws so the difference in the future may not be as noticeable if a game is designed from scratch with PSSR in mind

[TheNamelessOne]

Definitely looks better.

[Eonjay]

People are right to criticize Square's efforts on this title, but this just show just how good PSSR really is if it can clean up their mess to this degree. Its kinda crazy. Expect amazing result from the Switch 2 as well given that it uses DLSS.

[TheKingKratos]

That's impressive on Performance mode for badly optimized game by a developer who clearly doesn't care because their games don't meet their "expectations"... But that's is still a badly optimized game by a lazy developer who never bothered to use FSR in performance mode to fix the image Quality

And not all developers are like that making bad ports and let the 900$ hardware brute force it in performance mode.... That among very few games are outliers

[Popsicle]

This is actually a significant improvement over the base model. This is the type of demonstration/presentation Sony should be giving to sell their new console.

Edit: Needs to be watched on a proper 4K screen to fully appreciate. Phones do not give the improvements the justice deserved.

[VariantAEC]

I watched this on a phone screen at 1440p60. I watched it again and the difference looked pretty obvious even at YT's 720p60 encoding.

Also you can slow down video playback to 25% speed on Android and even zoom into the window with pinch and zoom upto 8X on top of whatever DF does. On top of that I can mirror my phone screen to any TV and still deploy 16X zoom on top of 8X YT zoom even at 2160p60. Ok this last segment was just a tad bit facetious... but these are real things you can do. The point is you don't need to watch this on a TV and if I did... I'd actually be watching at a much lower resolution.

[Popsicle]

Yeah, this sounds much better and more user friendly when compared to watching on my 83 inch LG G22 which can be slow playback and has a zoom feature. You’re right, a 6.69 inch screen is less tedious and a much better experience. Thanks for the tips, I finally feel at ease about getting rid of what I once thought was a proper 4K panel.

[VariantAEC]

@Popsicle
Obviously you missed the part where the phone connects to the TV offering 128x zoom on top of whatever zoom your TV allows... Also that the majority of my former post was a joke!

What isn't a joke is the fact that if you couldn't see the differences on a 1440p mobile display playing a 2160p60 YT video, well then, how will you see them on a TV? When seated a nominal distance from it giving you the same apparent size window to look at of a 5 to 9 inch phone display held at about half an arms length?

Seriously, what is wrong with people?

Despite my vision being crap according to the optometrist, I can make out individual pixels on my older 5" 1080p phone display and all our TVs and my laptop's 1080p display. It's harder to make out the pixels on a 1440p Samsung Pentile array mobile display (regardless of which phone uses them), but I still see those as well. Would 4K be that much of an improvement? No.

How do I know that for certain despite not seeing a 4K display? The pixel pitch would only be 33% smaller which would likely still be obvious to me.

There is a reason I sold my Nintendo DSi XL. I could hardly read the display for all the massive sub pixels. I kind of wish I didn't sell it so people get a sense of how I see all modern displays.

But whatever, you do you. I can only imagine how terrible everyone else's vision is if I'm still b••••••• about how large pixels are on square pixel Full HD and QHD+ Pentile array displays on phones as small as 5" diagonally.

[Popsicle]

In all sincerity I commend you for your energy and enthusiasm.

[Berenger]

Looks phenomenal on a 4k screen. Can't wait to play all the Pro enhanced first party titles and my Final Fantasys. FF16 could really benefit from a Pro enhancement

[RaiderNation]

This is why I wanted a Pro in the first place and this is why I will be getting one! Of course I'll be happy to benefit from the Pro on other games as well, but THIS is why I'm getting one!

[Michiel1989]

Frosty where you at bro, the liars that are DF are at it again

[TheNamelessOne]

At least they finally got rid of that Romulus guy.

[meganick]

That dude was an obnoxious Sony shill.

[Obscure_Observer]

Yeah... both Fr0sty and Einhander1972 are nowhere to be found and remind us how DF are a bunch of biased liars with fake technical analysis now.

[Einhander1972]

I stand by every single thing I say.

[Michiel1989]

guess we'll just have to wait for that when their next video comes out and it's not about a Sony title, then hunting season is opened again

[VariantAEC]

DF are dumb for not knowing PS 1st parties are the best devs in the industry bar none. The people that wanted PS5 Pro wasn't us, it wasn't PS, it was the less than stellar 3rd party devs. Now they shouldn't have any excuses in making great games everywhere, because PS5 Pro was designed to meet their wants and desires.

Now it's time for the 3rd party devs to show up. This is what DF doesn't understand. PS 1st parties were always pushing PS very hard. It's why PS3 games now being emulated all the sudden look so modern despite only now running at 4K. It's still a PS3 game... what the PC guys are just now understanding is that PS3 graphics were incredible now that they see them ay 4K. 720p to 1080p wasn't enough for PC guys to recognize PS3 games were way ahead of PC games from the same era. All the sudden everyone whose played KZ2 via emulation wants a new Killzone game... funny how that works.

[Sonic1881]

So it depends on the developer who wants to push and take advantage of the PS5 Pro. Mostly first party developers

[Eonjay]

I mean isn't that always the case with everything. But even here, they aren't really taking advantage of the Pro. They are just using PSSR to enhance the image. They aren't taking advantage of the extra GPU power. So to your point I think we are going to get a lot of enhanced Pro games simply because they don't have to put much work into it. They can even backport PSSR to game made in older SDKs without upgrading it. So, Sony just built an easy button for them... and I'm not mad lol

[TiredGamer]

Jury is still out, but the belief is that PSSR isn't "free" - believe Digital Foundry mentioned that it costs 2ms of processing time, depending on the level of upscaling. Remember, the Pro GPU is only giving you an extra 45% of performance increase, which isn't a huge amount in and of itself. That's essentially saying that if a game was running at 30 fps maxed out, the Pro could, through brute force, get you to 43-44 fps.

Which is why PSSR is a revelation in image quality improvement. Let's not forget that a 1080 Performance Mode would need 4x the rendering performance to get you to a pure 4k resolution. At 1440p, you need 2x rendering improvement, which is a far cry from a 45% improvement that the Pro GPU can push on its own. I feel that PSSR is going to be the real secret sauce of most Pro enhancements.

[Obscure_Observer]

"Sony just built an easy button for them... and I'm not mad lol"

Not really.

PSSR is not different from other upscalers. It is just a crutch that will only help you to an extend. Games will still need further optimization or the results can be messy. See BMW on PS5 for instance.

[Obscure_Observer]

"So it depends on the developer who wants to push and take advantage of the PS5 Pro."

Depends on SONY and which games they´ll approve with the "PS5 Pro Enhanced" seal.

It´s up to them to determine whenever a "Pro" version is worth or not. You won´t play a single game that haven´t passed their QA tests to get their approval.

[Einhander1972]

WTF are you even talking about?

Any company can patch their game, they don't need permission from Sony. If they patch their game Sony will then give them the tag, not the other way around. And on top of that there are over 8500 games that use dynamic resolution scaling that will run at higher resolutions and more stable frame rates with no updates needed.

And this is exactly what I was talking about, you want to talk about resolution this and that from "journalists" who haven't even touched the console saying it's going to be this or that. And what have I been saying just wait until we see some side by sides with PSSR.

So now we see FF which not only plays the 30 fps version at a stable 60 fps but using PSSR has MUCH higher image quality than even the 30 fps version of the game.

This is just the beginning, zero games have been released yet that have been made from the ground up for the console, everything is just patched versions of existing games.

So get in your attacks while you can because more and more games will come out that show how much more advanced this is than your $600 series x.

[VariantAEC]

3rd party devs asked for this. Probably some 1st parties like Polyphony Digital, but just for that 8K mode and gameplay RT! 🤣

Yeah, but mostly 3rd parties for additional GPU performance because they couldn't get their games looking quite right on PS5.

[Kurisu]

I played on Performance mode on PS5, and I'm sure it didn't look anywhere near as bad as the original PS5 footage being shown in this video.

[Snookies12]

It might have been footage taken from before the update that made Performance mode better. It still looks really solid in Performance. The only thing visually I disliked about the game in general was all the ground clutter pop-in going on. Regardless of which mode you chose.

[TheKingKratos]

They probably doctored the video to show big difference... But i am not sure since the game is very badly optimized in performance mode while in 4k mode it look and play amazingly.

[andy85]

But you just said it's very badly optimised..so why do they need to doctor it? I played performance mode and it was rough at times. The difference is you're getting the quality mode visuals (and more) at 60 fps

[LAST_RPG_HERO]

ps5/ps5 pro graphic upgrade is fine but not a game changer for me. I am still amazed by ps4 graphics.

[thesoftware730]

Wow, that is a significant difference!

[derek]

Imagine spending several hundreds of dollars just for a higher/sharper resolution/ image at I higher frame right.
That's me, I'm that guy who will be buying the Pro day 1.

[buffig]

Yeah. People are crazy. They'll spend thousands on an extra 10 frames etc for PC, then light up the internet at the though of somebody wanting such a marked improvement in their games for £700. Yeah, it's a lot of money, but to my mind, in the graphics arena, its par for the course really

[aaronlif10]

I hope square also adds visual enhancements to the graphics mode. I'd love at the very least see better draw distance with less pop-in with the plants, shrubs (it's not bad but could be improved) and enhanced textures and lighting. Added ray tracing to both ff7 rebirth and ff7 remake integrade would be awesome (if not on the pro then on the ps6) this is one game I wouldn't mind seeing visual enhancements to over the years. The game as it is is incredibly beautiful in my opinion. But any further improvements are always welcome.

[Lamusiqa]

Work and having babies got me so busy to play SP games for the past few years.. Now that my babies are starting to sleep through the night, I can finally play the FF Remake games and I can't wait to get the PS5 Pro to play the best visuals mode!

[buffig]

Bare in mind that PSSR isn't even out yet and it's already proving capable at outperforming the native 4k output of the quality mode in many aspects, I'd call that hugely impressive. ML takes time to get better, so this is an awesome starting point

[SonOfOsiris]

Lol this is pathetic

[CobraKai]

For $700 there shouldn’t be anything the base model does better.

[Terror2k9]

I don't get it noone is mentioning its not the same as the original because its not it is more a sequel its not a remaster its a remake/rebirth! i consider more a sequel than trying to be the original being Aeris from the start knew what was going on before it happened!