PS5 Pro performance estimate makes it look like an "underclocked 7800 XT"

The PS5 Pro is said to have a GPU that is less powerful than the AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT graphics card, here's what we know so far.

[ocelot07]

Oh cool so the pro now has a $500 graphics card makes the 700 a bargain price lol. The 2tb SSD alone is like $150.

[crazyCoconuts]

There you go with that logic again 😊

[purple101]

it literally is like this, if its a 7700 thats £350, so its a bad deal, its its a 7800xt thats £500, makes it a good deal;

common sense tells me its in-between and sony making profit on this, which is not the normal model for consoles where they loose/break even and make money on games.

[OldDuffer]

Mid gen consoles are not sold at cost/ under price. When you establish a format, you are prepared to take a hit in order to get a user base and build brand loyalty. When you are already outselling the competition and introducing a luxury version of the platform, there is no point in taking a loss per unit.
This is perfectly normal for a mid gen refresh.

[RaiderNation]

And that performance is without PSSR implementation.

[fr0sty]

Actually, you can't buy a SSD that can hit 9.8GBPS at 2TB for under $250. That's Gen5 speed (the lower end of it, but it's above what Gen4 can do).

Also, this GPU has RDNA4 ray tracing tech in it, so it's above a 7780XT in that regard.

[CrimsonIdol]

People seem to be placing an awful lot of hope/cope on the shoulders of PSSR. Particularly since PS5 already has FSR2+ games. lots of them(most games for the last couple years I'd guess). If you don't like the soft blurry upscaled images from games using FSR2+ or UE5s own temporal upscaler you're going to be similarly disappointed by PSSR. There's not a massive difference between DLSS and FSR2+ as it stands. Most people are guessing it'll stand somewhere between those two (because DLSS is the industry leader and if it's not better than FSR then what's even the point?). DLSS is great, but if you're rendering at 800p or whatever you're going to have a soft image still, just like you do with FSR. just with a few less artifacts.

[Babadook7]

“If you don't like the soft blurry upscaled images from games using FSR2+ or UE5s own temporal upscaler you're going to be similarly disappointed by PSSR.”

Nope. Closer to the newest DLSS

“800p or whatever you're going to have a soft image still, just like you do with FSR. just with a few less artifacts.”

Um. The resolution has nothing to do with how poor PSSR is. If anything it’s a sign it works great so the consoles beefy GPU is used for improving environment settings rather than wasting it on rendering a native image.

[CrimsonIdol]

"Nope. Closer to the newest DLSS"
That's what I said. in literally the following sentences. I'll uncut off your quote:
"If you don't like the soft blurry upscaled images from games using FSR2+ or UE5s own temporal upscaler you're going to be similarly disappointed by PSSR. There's not a massive difference between DLSS and FSR2+ as it stands. Most people are guessing it'll stand somewhere between those two "
being closer to the newest DLSS is between FSR and DLSS. you are agreeing with me.

"Um. The resolution has nothing to do with how poor PSSR is."
Um. It absolutely effects how good quality it is. perhaps I should have been more clear that I'm talking about the internal resolution before PSSR does its thing. The quality settings on DLSS, FSR, XESS, FSR are literally tied internal resolution. the more pixels, the better quality.

"If anything it’s a sign it works great so the consoles beefy GPU is used for improving environment settings rather than wasting it on rendering a native image."
This is already happening on all unreal engine games and any of the other games utilising the various temporal super sampling options on offer. PSSR is just another one.

Sorry dude but you've clearly got no idea what you're talking about.

[fr0sty]

You should watch DF's video on this topic, PSSR blows FSR out of the water. Still not yet as good as DLSS, but that will come with future updates.

[CrimsonIdol]

I've seen it. And I'm telling you as someone who has access to both, DLSS does not blow FSR2/3 out of the water. It's better. it's marginally better. DLSS used to blow FSR out of the water until version 2. The gap is not much though. There is a significant difference between the DF comparisons, but those differences could be replicated by having one game running FSR with an output resolution of 1440p compared to the same game running FSR with an output resolution of 4K. FSR would blow FSR out of the water in that case. In fact we don't even know if these games are all using PSSR, could easily be FSR just with a bump to internal and output res.

[Vits]

With Sony fanboys, you can't really be logical; they don't care. They attach their opinions to buzzwords and will roll with it for all eternity. Some are still defending that BS SSD super speed that Sony touted when the PS5 was launched, even when it has been proven time and time again that it is not particularly special or needed, despite what the buzzword might lead them to believe.

The same will be true with the PSSR; they will sing its praises, and some are already claiming it's a completely new technology that isn't available anywhere else, as if DLSS isn't quite literally half a decade old. Even after it's proven that it's not a magical solution, they will still believe it is.

[CrimsonIdol]

Well yeah that SSD is just Gen4 speeds anyway, not even full gen4 speeds, around 5500MB/s I believe. but it's got some neat on the fly compression that gives you the *potential* for higher throughput, which gives fr0sty something to talk about I guess and confuse with real hardware throughput.

[peppeaccardo]

Whoever does estimates on a product that has yet to be released to the mass market is a fool, more so as it has some technologies that are nowhere to be found on anything that already released. So it would make more sense for EVERYBODY to hold their horses and wait. The guys at Digital Foundry are throwing so much shit at the PS5 Pro even though it is putting bread on their table since the moment it was announced. Ridiculous ....

[Whitey2k]

I think 90% of us already knew this only delusional people think it's on par with 7800xt

The gpu on the ps5 pro is stronger then the 7700xt and weaker against the 7800xt it's inbetween them both and despite the ageing cpu the ps5 pro should still be capable of run games at 60fps

[fr0sty]

7800XT has weaker ray tracing performance than Pro due to Pro using RDNA4 tech for it's ray tracing. It also lacks PSSR, FSR is inferior to it. So, while it isn't clocked as high as a 7800, it does have some advantages over it.

[90sGamingWasBetter]

I'm so bored of all this negativity towards the Pro. Yawn.

[babadivad]

It's the only thing to talk about since their's such a drought of quality games.

[Kekewei]

Why not, this kind of negativity talk might pull scalpers away from PS5 Pro...

[DustMan]

That new GPU seems to show it can run a lot of PS4 remasters, and years old titles really well. How about something that struggled to perform initially? Wouldn't you want to show that? I don't remember hearing a single person complain about the visuals in any of those games shown at the presentation.

[Lexreborn2]

It’s funny because doing the math for comparable cards the system still cheaper then what people are complaining about. This cost horse is being beaten so hard into the ground and no one is truly giving real information. Just assumptions and clickbait galore

[Tonethebone925]

People buy $1600 iPhones every 9 months with minimal upgrades. 😂

[darthv72]

I know you are being melodramatic, but I will say that iphone release schedules are almost always annually. so they cant be buying them every 9 months when they don't release like that.
The first few were like this:
iPhone June 29, 2007
iPhone 3G July 11, 2008
iPhone 3GS June 19, 2009
iPhone 4 June 24, 2010
iPhone 4S October 14, 2011
iPhone 5 September 21, 2012
iPhone 5S / 5C September 20, 2013
iPhone 6 / 6+ September 19, 2014
iPhone 6S / 6S+ September 25, 2015
iPhone 7 / 7+ September 16, 2016
iPhone 8 / 8+ September 22, 2017
iPhone XS / XS Max September 21, 2018
iPhone 11 September 20, 2019
iPhone 12 October 23, 2020
iPhone 13 September 24, 2021
iPhone 14 September 16, 2022
iPhone 15 September 22, 2023

[kayoss]

so instead of 9 months its every 12 months with minimal updates. not sure if it made it any better.

[repsahj]

Is the interval between 9 months and 12 months too long? hahaha

[Tonethebone925]

😂😂😂 you really did the research like that changed what I said.

[arm71174]

.0000000001% of console gamers, especially those that have spent years building up a Playstation library and don't care to want to deal with the PC experience actually care about any of this. It's crazy to make all these claims for a retail console that hasn't even released to um, anyone.

[babadivad]

Hhhmmm

[Lamusiqa]

Y'all are too fixated on the supposed GPU and CPU spec, you're forgetting that the PS5 is a CONSOLE. Developers has better access to the inner workings of the console, so much so that they can even code down to the metal for them to squeeze every ounce of performance.

Also, PS5 Pro is being positioned as a high-performance and high-fidelity alternative to the regular PS5 experience. The PSSR is literally touted as an upscaling tech to achieve that resolution without sacrificing performance.

[Einhander1972]

Another misleading article.

Firstly, it's still 33TF and the most powerful console by a wide margin, a much greater gap than the 17% DF is still desperately trying to find.

Secondly, the Pro has RDNA 4 RT so when RT is in effect the Pro is going to perform much better than a 7800xt.

Thirdly PSSR is going to be a much better upscaling technique than FSR which the 7800xt is limited to.

Finally it's still using PS5 the co-processors (Tempest, Kraken) that have allowed the PS5 to consistently outperform the S/X and comparable PC hardware.

Just wait, all these articles from "journalists" looking for drama clicks who don't own and haven't even touched a PS5 Pro will be proven wrong. Conversely, devs who actually have the console keep saying how powerful it is. I'll trust the devs, end of story.

I am fully confident that PS5 Pro will offer the best console experience by far.

[DustMan]

Well....it's the only new console even being mentioned. So yeah. It probably will be.

[InUrFoxHole]

Well... Console gamers are console gamers for a reason. So sure it isn't as strong as a great pc but it's still gonna be the strongest console out. If you plan on buying then you just gotta decide if the investment is worth it to you. Or do you hold out for next gen around the corner?

[Tedakin]

Nothing in the videos they chose to show in their presentation made buying this worth it for me. Some leaves were clearer in the background. Who cares.

[Kyizen]

This is getting dumb, First it's a 3080 then it's a 4070 and now a RX 7800 XT, and everything going off a 9 minute presentation. Lets let the system come out and get hands on time with it and judge multiple updated games.

[RGB]

Missing the AI silicon and RDNA4 Ray Tracing. 🤦‍♂️

[AKS]

There really isn't a great comparison for PS5 Pro and a GPU currently. You can find a GPU with similar rasterization power, but the ray tracing power and upscaling technology will not be equal to currently available AMD cards. This could change somewhat a bit depending on how good FSR4 regarding upscaling is and which cards have compatibility (I'm hoping all 7000 series cards given that is what I have), but regardless the Pro has more advanced ray tracing tech than the Sapphire 7900 XTX Nitro I paid $1200 for.