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PS5 Pro-Like PC Would Cost a Fair Bit More, Says Digital Foundry; RTX 4070 Is the Closest GPU

Digital Foundry's Richard Leadbetter compared the PS5 Pro GPU to NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 4070 and said a PC with those specs would cost more.

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andy85256d ago

And it has features no PC does yet. Good price for what you get. Just very high for a console. The more I read the more I want it though.

jznrpg256d ago

It’s not that high. It 2024 not 1984

Cacabunga256d ago

Ok but where are the games to showcase all this power? Why use old gen titles?

fr0sty256d ago (Edited 256d ago )

Spiderman 2 isn't an "old gen" title. Neither is Hogwarts. Horizon's DLC they showed is PS5 only. GT7, cross gen or not, is the best looking console racer out there (Even DF agrees there). Not to say they couldn't have done a better job, but they weren't strictly "old gen" titles.

Vits256d ago

Well, it locks you into a single digital store ecosystem, restricts access to many unlicensed accessories, and includes a subscription service for online play, which requires paying for the privilege of playing online in premium games. It also offers the option to place it vertically if you purchase an extra accessory and limits your options for mods and backward compatibility.

So yeah, it does offer a lot of features that a PC doesn’t. /s

Inverno256d ago

Machine learning, but that'll soon make it's way onto PC. So basically it has nothing special.

KyRo256d ago

@Vits everything else you said is a minor to me but the single reason I'm worried about an all digital future on consoles is the single digital store ecosystem. Physical is always cheaper in the UK for a brand new release. The day consoles go digital only will be the day I start gaming on a PC, no matter how troublesome it can be.

Vits256d ago

@Inverno

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

@KyRo

The shift to a digital future for consoles is likely to be a major issue for many people. While physical media is almost obsolete on PCs, there are still numerous stores and distribution channels available for the digital games.

But backward compatibility and accessory use are also significant concerns. Often, consoles push new "remasters" and updated versions of accessories, like fighting pads and taiko drums, that are only necessary because older ones aren’t supported. And that really sucks, especially when you already have spent quite a lot on the previous version that works just fine.

fr0sty256d ago (Edited 256d ago )

No dedicated 3D audio hardware, no dedicated hardware decompression chips (so PCs have to use their GPUs, which takes some of their GPU power in the process), no haptic feedback, no PSSR, no RDNA 4 ray tracing tech (yet).

The Pro isn't a digital only console, either, you can add the attachable blu-ray drive that the PS5 slim uses to it.

Obscure_Observer256d ago

What features?

Hopefully we´ll see those in action enhancing actual current gen games at TGS and the next State of Play later this month.

porkChop255d ago

@frosty

PC have dedicated audio cards but also don't even need dedicated 3D audio hardware as most audio is handled by the CPU these days. PCs have far more powerful CPUs so having dedicated hardware doesn't really matter.

PCs also don't need dedicated decompression chips because CPUs and GPUs have so much raw power that it isn't necessary. Just like the 3D audio hardware it's only useful on console because you're limited in power for the generation, so dedicated hardware frees up some extra juice for longevity.

No PC doesn't have PSSR. PC has DLSS, XESS and more advanced versions of FSR than consoles get. PSSR is only a benefit because PS5 doesn't have DLSS, the most advanced and most iterated AI upscaling solution on the market.

Most of the PC market is Nvidia who are years ahead of AMD when it comes to raytracing performance and features. Having RDNA4 raytracing features before PC doesn't mean much without even knowing what those features are or what they do compared to RTX.

fr0sty255d ago

Read the post above yours... PC lacks dedicated hardware decoding, it has to rely on the GPU to do it (which takes some GPU power), it lacks a dedicated 3D audio chip, it lacks haptic feedback, it lacks RDNA4 ray tracing tech, it lacks a 36TFLOP GPU in a $700 system...

andy85255d ago

RDNA 4 Ray Tracing for one. Isn't on PCs yet

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Obscure_Observer256d ago

"The more I read the more I want it though."

Marginal gains even for PS4 games. The new RT chip in action is far from impressive and had Hogwarts Legacy´s performance capped at 30fps.

fr0sty255d ago (Edited 255d ago )

It's far more impressive than anything in the $600 2TB Xbox Series X that only has 1/3 the raw compute power in its GPU, and more impressive than anything you can get in a PC for $700.

RaiderNation255d ago (Edited 255d ago )

Are you self aware of how sad and pathetic you are, or are you still on that journey? Just curious, what motivates you to pop up in every PlayStation thread and criticize, marginalize, and downplay? Jeez dude, show us on the doll where Sony touched you! I think THIS is your actual hobby, not gaming.

@fr0sty.

Man, Xbox/PC gamers are really in their feels over this Pro console aren't they? LMAO! I can't wait to upgrade! It's going to be awesome! Let the haters stew in their own misery.

Sonic1881255d ago (Edited 255d ago )

Regardless. It's still thr most powerful console in the world. GTA6 will sell like hotcakes just because of the PS5 and PS5 Pro and it will be the best console to play it on 😁

SDuck255d ago

Need a reminder of all the things you can do with a PC that you can't with a console?

kneon255d ago

I've still got 8 PCs in my home office, and that is after giving away 2 in the last few months. The last thing I need is more PCs, so when it's time to play games I fire up my PS5

wesnytsfs255d ago

LOL, yet still inferior to DLSS.

fr0sty255d ago

Got a source for that which isn't your ass?

smashman98255d ago

If you're asking for a source on whether or not DLSS is the best you are completely out of your depth.

Grievous255d ago

Nvidia has like 3 generations of experience with it and they also charge insane prices for their cards.

Charlieboy333255d ago

And when was this analysis done? Oh right it hasn't been done yet. Soooo.....you are just saying words for the hell of it.

smashman98254d ago

@Grevious this is 100 percent true and why it really isn't all that surprising that DLSS is the best. Now what ps5 pro and even ps5 have going for them is that a comparable PC would likely run you twice or next to twice the cost. What AMD has going for it is much better price for performance.

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Kakashi Hatake255d ago

Our phones do what most PCs does... We're buying these for games, not to do our taxes.

Markdn255d ago

Looking forward to Andy, it's amazing how many pc trolls jumping in these articles. It's almost like they worried. Constantly telling us about poor quality third party accessories and mods. Other great things they can do on there pc. Wish they would all just go do all them great pc things and leave the ps5 pro articles alone.

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Schriefer9256d ago

Machine learning already exist on PC I thought there was a feature that wasn’t on PC that I didn’t see when they announced it.

Destiny1080256d ago

it has a dedicated raytracing chip which is not available to AMD cards just yet, future AMD cards will also have this feature probably more advanced then its console counterpart, but as of right know its exclusive to the PS5 Pro

obviously nvidia cards have had it for quite some time and that is why the PS5 Pro is being compared to the nvidia 4070 by some tech experts

fr0sty256d ago

While this is true, the machine learning features don't tie into the ray tracing stuff, different hardware involved. The ML stuff is what powers FSR on AMD GPUs, DLSS on Nvidia GPUs, and PSSR in PS5 Pro. AI-assisted frame-reconstruction to enable higher resolution output from lower resolution renders.

fr0sty256d ago

AMD has FSR, but PSSR is supposed to exceed it. It's said to be comparable to Nvidia's DLSS.

LikAChicken255d ago

It's said by who? Where did you read that?

Babadook7255d ago

Most people are looking at the reconstruction ability of what’s been shown and saying it’s better than FSR. Therefore It would be closer to DLSS and considering its brand new tech could exceed it even. As for proof there likely won’t be any until launch.

Tapani254d ago

@fr0sty, Why are you so hard trying to defend the PS5 Pro? As many mentioned already, you have no idea what you are talking about.

wesnytsfs255d ago

I think he is talking about PS version of DLSS. They think Sonys will rival Nvidias. I say no way.

Knightofelemia256d ago

Those who want the upgrade and can afford the upgrade hey good for them. I'll stick to my slim if I had $1100 for an upgrade I would build a PC.

fr0sty256d ago

As the article says, you won't build a PC anywhere near as powerful for what you can buy a Pro for, and even then it still would lack features you can only get on PS5.

ZycoFox256d ago

DF are obviously pandering to the console watchers, why they'd do that I have no idea. Even Hardware Unboxed said 30fps was "terrible" I mean if you take into account todays standards, they aren't wrong.
Now DF says "30fps ain't bad".

If you want actual decent advice on a better PC for not much more then watch: https://youtu.be/VMZeiTxT-l...

wesnytsfs255d ago

Except my current PC still blows away the PS5 pro. Its nice being able to upgrade like you can on PCs over time.

Rynxie255d ago

There's already videos of people building PCs for the same price as a PS5 pro, with better performance on the PC. I think df are just smoking some good stuff.

Michiel1989255d ago (Edited 255d ago )

@frosty yes that was already known ever since more moderns consoles started coming out, what's your point? just like the fact that consoles will never be stronger than pc, should I also put that sentence on repeat?

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ocelot07256d ago

Don't worry everyone. Just follow ColtEastwood on X he will sort out a PS5 Pro killer pc. His builds are so good they don't even need RAM as apparently the VRAM on the GPU is enough lmfao can't make this up.

https://ibb.co/FsWD2b2

fr0sty256d ago (Edited 256d ago )

LOL, hilarious

RaidenBlack256d ago

Yea saw his post ... he's even defending that setup

fr0sty256d ago

"OK, do us all a favor, pull the RAM out of your computer and boot your PC only using your VRAM, tell us how that goes." lol

crazyCoconuts256d ago

Funny how as the console war comes to an end the Xbox warriors are now part of the PCMR.

repsahj255d ago

Lol. Part of their revenge. Combined forces of fans of PC and dead Xbox. XD

Michiel1989255d ago

pcmr was never in competition with the pony ranch

crazyCoconuts255d ago

@michiel, exactly! And all of a sudden all these messages about how PCs are better.
As if PCs were suddenly invented...

Michiel1989255d ago

@crazy each platform still has mostly the same pro's and cons that it had 20 years ago and i don't see that changing anytime soon, hell nintendo even insists on always being the weakest one in terms of power of the 3 and somehow they keep making it work.

VariantAEC250d ago

@repsahj
Henceforth Xbox Series should forever be known as the Deadbox Series!

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Chocoburger255d ago

Sheesh, what a moron. There's a reason why I blocked him years ago on Twitter.

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thesoftware730256d ago

That is actually really, really good, especially for a console.

If I'm impressed by the games at the next showcase I will get one.

Crows90255d ago

I'm waiting for the next round of games by all of Sony's studios....none of them have gotten a chance to release anything yet.

ravens52254d ago

Wow software. Decent level headed comment. Nice. "Next showcase" one of the few Xbox centric people who realizes they didn't show anything at the 9 min. presentation because they have another event planned. A lot of disingenuous Xbots and PC gamers in here.

thesoftware730254d ago (Edited 254d ago )

Raven,

I'm always level-headed :).

Despite what is perceived, I have bought every single PS console since PS1, I remember living in NYC and going downtown to the Sony building just to play the display/kiosk, I was blown away, me and my brothers saved up and bought one shortly after.

I'm a gamer first(and like Nintendo the most) and you will be hard-pressed to find any post where I aimlessly diss Sony, I do defend Xbox, but it's only because I like the system as well, and some people on here go outta their way to crap on the system, Xbox hate on this site is overwhelming.

ravens52254d ago

Fair enough. Gaming 1st ✊🏽 agreed (Physical tho lol).

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MS Rumored to Be Testing Steam Integration Within MS Store (Potentially for Next-Gen Xbox, Too)

Microsoft may have begun internally testing Steam integration within the Microsoft Store environment, with the intention of eventually bringing it to the next-generation Xbox console.

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Obscure_Observer9d ago

Xbox + Steam = Instant Buy!

Day One!!!

OtterX8d ago

I already have one. It can do mods and VR too... it's called my PC.

VenomUK8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Now Xbox players who’ve been dying to play PlayStation games will choose to play Spider-Man, The Last of Us and God of War. Horizon: Zero Dawn - not so much.

Sonic18817d ago (Edited 7d ago )

@Venom

It's being claimed Sony can block their games from being available on Microsoft's hybrid console/PC that will have Steam on it. I saw it on Twitter by a well known source

Profchaos8d ago

It's Xbox PC app not console think of it like the current gog app

Obscure_Observer8d ago

Even if in a limited fashion, It will allow integration with Steam so Xbox console gamers will get access to their Steam library and get to play some PC only games, which is awesome news for console only player like myself.

crazyCoconuts8d ago

Yes, they'll be able to play PC only games because.... they will have bought a PC

Eonjay8d ago

@Obscure_Observer

I don't think that is going to happen. It sounds like you think PC games are coming to Xbox. What this is is just bring PC to.... PC.

crazyCoconuts8d ago

Well IF they can get the emulator to work, bringing Xbox to PC. Whether or not you call this Windows dressing a console is debatable. This will definitely get them out of the console business though

Obscure_Observer8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

"Yes, they'll be able to play PC only games because.... they will have bought a PC"

Being hearing such clueless talk since 2001 when the original Xbox introduced hard drive and broadband internet to consoles.

Some people will just hate and fear what they can´t comprehend.

@Eonjay

"I don't think that is going to happen. It sounds like you think PC games are coming to Xbox. What this is is just bring PC to.... PC."

Then why spend so much money to make Xbox consoles a part of the equation? Seriously dude, your comment doesn't even make sense and defies any reasonable logic..

IRetrouk7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Microsoft did not introduce broadband or harddrive use in consoles, they did standardise it though.
As for the rest, you had the same response to ms becoming a 3rd party publisher....didn't believe it untill ms told you to, didn't like it till ms told you to...
You won't be getting steam on a console ecosystem, stop dreaming, infact the next console is up in the air, you'll be lucky to get an oem arm device at best and at worst, a pc with an xbox sticker....
Told you already, they moving you hardcore xbox boys to pc...
You talking about logic is funny, especially when all you do is parrot what you hear from ms and pivot your opinion as much as they pivot their messaging to align with what they say, just buy a pc bro, it'll be easier for you going forward.

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1Victor8d ago

@obscured: “ Xbox + Steam = Instant Buy!

Day One!!! “
.
Is there anything Xbox that isn’t day one for you?
Is your Xbox fridge working for you or frozen up with a red ring I remember you was going to get it day one.
Having steam integrated on the next market is a nice thing to have that would had been better a generation ago but better late than never 🤷🏿
Personally I will ALWAYS BUY A SYSTEM FOR THE GAMES NOT A STORE FRONT 🤦🏿

badz1497d ago (Edited 7d ago )

believe it or not, many pc gamers boycott games based on the storefronts. Steam or no buy according to many of them

Eonjay8d ago

I honestly don't get the point of this. There is already a Steam Store on PC so adding it to the MS store seems redundant. Also this doesn't really mention Xbox.

Profchaos7d ago

This is just a simple integration on the Xbox app for PC to see both libraries at the same time gog already offers this.

In the future the next box will not run Xbox software but instead it will Run uwp apps to unify PC and console.

It presents a number of problems like the steamdeck verification system and requiring a wrapper for third parties but it means you don't have to Dev for a console anymore and just Dev for PC

Means that backwards compatibility has to be offered via a translation layer like wine to and full BC is not a given.

It's a interesting take but I see it only working short term like steam deck getting a steam deck verified game is getting harder and the system is only a few years old

Sonic18817d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Sounds more like a PC with the Xbox and steam logo on it 😂 I'm sure it's going to be expensive as well since it's rumor to be using the ARM architecture technology

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ZycoFox9d ago

No need for me to buy an Xbox anymore, last one i owned was 360 anyway. That and the original were good consoles. Everything is on PC now and I usually keep mine fairly modern so it's always going to outperform it, and I like to mess with apps and programs that you can't do on console so..

MrDead9d ago

We already have xbox games integration, it's called Steam.

MS store is like Bing, no one wants it.

babadivad8d ago

Xbox store is more flexible than Steamnif you own a console. Cross saves and cross buy is amazing.

If a game is on the Xbox store and Steam, given the choice, I buy the Xbox store version.

If a game I want gets released, I always check the Xbox store first.

MrDead8d ago

"If a game is on the Xbox store and Steam, given the choice, I buy the Xbox store version."

Found the Bing user.

babadivad8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

@MrDead

Found the moron who likes to pay twice for the same game.

babadivad7d ago

This site is so retarded. There's literally no downside for buying on the PC xbox store if you have a console.

If the game released on the PC Xbox store, if you buy it there, you get the game for free on console.

And you share the same save file.

If I buy the game on Steam, if I wanted to play that game on console, I would have to buy it again.

I get it, because it's Xbox/Microsoft, it's automatically bad.

It's only a benefit to check if a game released on the Xbox store.

darthv728d ago

......what's wrong with Bing? Its good to use it to get points towards stuff like movie tickets, xbox gift cards, etc.

UnbreakableAlex8d ago

People like me who don’t own a PC but want to play PC games.

babadivad8d ago

Or PC players who have an Xbox. Like me.

Eonjay8d ago

That isn't what this is. I would really like to know where the misinformation is coming from.

Maybe the next Xbox is a PC with an Xbox app that boots up when you turn it on but allows you to run PC apps and Xbox games will be converted to a version playable on PCs as well... but don't expect PC games to come to Xbox consoles.

I imagine they will let you download an app that allows you to play your Xbox games on PC. But you will still be able to download from Steam because it is a PC.

Christopher8d ago

This isn't going to turn PC games into console games. It's not even going to change how Steam changes at all since no third-party is going to want to give you a PC and console copy of a game for the same price without someone paying for it.

1Victor8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

@terry: “ .who asked for this?”

Refer to post one that couldn’t wait for this amazing killer app that will entice all Nintendo, Sony and PC gamers to buy the next generation of Xbox console 🤣
Edited for typos

Terry_B7d ago

That one can't be taken serious.

ocelot078d ago

Makes sense doesn't it? If we are going to have Dell Alienware Xbox's and HP Xbox and Lenovo Xbox and Asus TuF Gaming Xbox PC's. A console like PC with a limited/customised windows with console form in mind.

Extermin8or3_8d ago

They'll come with pc hardware prices though...

ocelot078d ago

Most likely but unfortunately that's just the way the world is now. Nintendo charging $500+ for a handheld that's roughly as powerful as a PS4 pro from 2016.

Sony charging $700 for a PS5 Pro.

Microsoft charging $730 for a 5 year old console with a extra 1tb of storage.

Apple charging $800 for the cheapest iPhone 16.

Samsung charging $800 for the basic s25.

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Creature Collector Fest hits Steam with some epic discounts

The Creature Collector Fest event has come to steam until May 19. Here are some epic discounted games to scratch the critter gathering itch.

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Vault Hunters Rejoice as Borderlands 4 Gets New Earlier Release Date

With a new, earlier release date on the horizon for Borderlands 4, could this be a hint as to when GTA 6 could be coming?

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TorTurphyre27d ago

If they pushed it forward because of GTA6 that is some smart thinking!