We Need To Stop Telling People To Get A PC Over The PS5 Pro

So the PS5 Pro / PlayStation 5 Pro costs $700 - $800, or more given your region. But you know what costs more? Building comparable gaming PC that doesn't skimp out on the performance.

[porkChop]

No we don't. Sure, a good gaming PC will cost a bit more than $700 USD, but that PC will do a hell of a lot more than just playing games. The games will also be cheaper with Steam, GOG, GMG, and Epic sales. There's a level of freedom that consoles will never be able to give you. The fact is that at $700 Sony is entering the enthusiast market. So anyone looking at a PS5 Pro should also look at other enthusiast products and see what else they can get for their money.

[shadowhaxor]

So, there's nothing wrong with telling someone to get a PC, one that's going to still cost a bit more, to someone who has never touched a gaming PC, or for someone who doesn't want to game at a desk (I know that's silly since we can game pretty much anywhere) or people who aren't used to dealing with Windows for gaming, and would rather have convenience?

Isn't that a bit biased? Even I'm a PC gamer and I think it's a stupid idea. It feels like everyone wants to just use "get a PC" because the PS5 Pro is priced so high.

I'll never tell someone to get a PC over a knee-jerk reaction unless they actually have an interest in doing so. I convinced those who have talked to me about getting a PC only due to them actually wanting to try it. Not because "Oh, the X console is too pricey, do this instead."

[RaidenBlack]

"who has never touched a gaming PC"
People seldom bring this up ....
Whats so obscure about a PC?
Most people have/had a PC/Mac ... people are accustomed to good'ol windows ... nothing much changed here. Only some components in the gaming PC would be a bit more powerful than a normal PC.
And you'll have to install games like any other software in a normal PC. And clients like Steam and Epic mostly does that work for the user seamlessly.
I dont get the rocket science treatment here.
(Only focusing on that phrase here, coz that as I said, gets brought up quite a lot. But yea, console gaming does bring in some convenience. But another argument can be had, 2 systems vs 1 system, i.e console+homePC vs 1 GamingPC)

[VenomUK]

Good point made, it’s like telling a meat eater to eat a vegetarian burger because no animals die to make it and it doesn’t contribute to climate change. That’s all well and good but a meat eater is not in the market for a soya burger - he or she wants meat!

PC may well be superior for specs but console buyers tend to get consoles for the plug and play ease of use - ignoring that distinction in buyer intent is naive.

[darthv72]

All i hear from the PS side is no need for an XB as they have a PC... seems kind of hypocritical wouldn't you say? so if people tell other people to get a PC as it relates to XB games.... then why the hell not apply that same sentiment to PS as well? Sony is releasing their games on PC, maybe not day 1 (yet) but that is certainly the direction they are going.

Now maybe in the real world you will find your examples you stated (those who never touched a gaming PC) but on this site, where all the convo is happening... practicaly everyone in attendance knows what a gaming PC is.

[derek]

@Raiden, don't play dumb, almost nobody in the general public has any experience building a PC, let alone fiddling with settings or dealing with other related PC issues that creep up. Most people do not want any of that especially at PC hardware prices.

[RaidenBlack]

@derek
you can very well order pre-build gaming PCs ... and settings ain't that complicated as it made to be (presets like high, medium and low have existed for quite a while and similar preset switching is been done in PS5 games i.e like perf mode & fidelity mode)
so if someone can't wrap around a few more parameters ... who's dumb then?

[fishaz780]

It’s not even about the console vs PC, it’s the ecosystems… my whole gaming life with achievements/ trophies are on Xbox and PlayStation… I don’t want to switch to Steam and PC. I have a Steam Deck and as soon as I got it, I installed Windows for the Xbox eco system but even then not all Xbox games are on PC and not all PlayStation games have Trophy support so for me it’s about that side of it. Then comes the convenience of not having to upgrade on a console to get the so called best experience. My RX480 on PC was outdated a year or 2 later where as my consoles could run games at that point better than my GPU. Again I don’t touch Steam much as I’m just not interested in starting again with achievements on another platform… lastly I prefer controller to keyboard and mouse.

[porkChop]

I'm not putting a fucking gun to their head and forcing them to buy a PC. At the end of the day people will buy whatever they want to, but there's nothing wrong with showing that person other options.

[kayoss]

@Raidenblack
Sure the majority of people have touched a gaming PC. However playing a game on a gaming PC versus knowing how to setup and optimizing a PC for said game is not common knowledge. I used to play on a PC the constant upgrade and optimizing the settings to play games got me to the point where i didnt want to deal with it no more. People who are like me, who just want to pop a game in and just play, This is console's target audiences. So telling people to "just get a PC" is a bit of an ignorant statement. If they think the PS5 Pro at $700 is expensive, what makes you think they can afford a Gaming PC that is somewhat future proof? In addition, its also ignorant towards the people who know how to use a PC but dont know how to configure it for different games.

[derek]

@Raiden, oh yeah just buy,a pre-built pc. You're still paying more to get good performance (especially a pc pre-built)and still fiddling around with settings and dealing with issues related to pc. Most people don't want that.

[evil6eric99]

I don't game at a desk, and my PC is connected to a 65" LG OLED...I have 2 PS5's in the house as well, one for me with a drive, and a digital for the kids...$700 is too much, they burned me on the Vita back in the day when they just up and quit really supporting it, and did it with the PS VR2 as well then made me pay $60 for an adapter after my initial $500 investment to use it on my PC...they don't even say sorry but were abandoning the new VR system we hyped for years, adapters should have been the sorry in my book, free adapters. What I'm getting at is it's Tone Def of Sony, the pro is unnecessary in my opinion, and that R and D money would have been better spent on more games. It's a tone def problem at the top and $700 in todays economy is a big F U.

[JackBNimble]

@Darth
You don't even need a pc to play xbox games now, it's all coming to ps5 anyway.

On topic, I would never upgrade to pro. For one games on the ogps5 don't
take full advantage of the hardware and seems more like sony is trying to swindle hardcore fans into buying something they don't need.
Ya, I'll buy an "upgradeable" pc before I ever buy a pro

[Strange99]

This guy doesn’t know you don’t have to PC at a desk

[VariantAEC]

@shadowhaxor
"PS5 Pro is priced so high"

tl;dr: Gaming PCs are really only for gaming and not much else, if you're smart you know what I mean by this. If you buy used, you put your data and other important information at risk. Most if not all used rigs will still cost about as much and net worse performance than base model PS5s today.
For more details read on.

A desktop with comparable specs to the existing soon to be phat launch model PS5 that came out in 2020 will set you back around $850 using all new components. I would advise never to buy used (except CPUs, volitile RAM, and most PC cases) due to hidden cyber security threats that can be installed on to many used PC parts including GPUs, storage devices, even certain types of ROM drives, and HIDs (things like keyboards, mice, and other peripherals).

I'm just getting started. At this point it's just as hard to recommend used consoles (or any other used electronics) for the same and other reasons, like if the console was banned (something we know Nintendo does and PS and Xbox can do with PS5 and Xbox Series consoles). If you don't mind having your data swiped by your own devices for malicious reasons in a covert way, then by all means buy used and make your gaming rig your main PC. But don't blame your cheap gaming console when your identity is stolen for the 18th time when you've been gaming with mostly or 100% used PC parts and you do everything on that PC.

Adding insult to potential injury, a 100% used PC will still come in as low as $480 upto around $650 or $100 more than the base model PS5 as it costs right now, for PS5-spec gaming on PC. What is even the point of that!? So, as usual, there is no way that a gaming PC that is as powerful as a PS5 Pro for just $700, especially in this economy unless you risk it buying used. Most decent GPUs (new) will set you back around $190 and a decent already assembled PC core that you can build up to game with will still cost $360 at minimum (again, new). Guess how much that is... around the same price as the base PS5! Guess what kind of performance you will get on such a cheap desktop? Around the level of performance you get on Xbox Series S! If you're lucky.

On top of that you may constantly wind up fighting Windows or dealing with lackluster driver and software support via Linux or Mac. 🤣 Who even games on Mac? If you use Proton or Wine you still have to deal with issues that plague Windows machines with even less support.

There is no perfect option... even if you have the funds to make an all new build with an RTX 4090 and Intel Core i7 12900K or better (personally I have no qualms with the 14th gen i9, but whatever) CPU powering your desktop, games will almost always have issues that are out of your control. And I didn't even get into the pros and cons of modding games themselves.

[lelo2play]

... and PC has free online.

[Kakashi Hatake]

Good luck having any of your actual friends play it. Not to mention there's no guarantee they'll have the same experience since hardware isn't guaranteed to be the same.

[Michiel1989]

@kakashi and thats exactly what sony is doing now, so good luck getting your actual friends to play it because the hardware isnt the same with ps5pro on the market. not having the exact same hardware doesn't mean you cant play games together....

[crazyCoconuts]

I agree choices are great, and there's something for everyone.
I would think most of us nuts that are so into gaming to be chatting about it would have a gaming PC if they can afford it.
I also think there's a greater percentage of the population that wouldn't benefit from a PC because its too complicated for them and they want the ease of use of a console.

[derek]

@porkChop, you will need a pc that costs significantly more like $2000 and up. PC weirdos are suddenly all over these console discussions now that that the pro has introduced ai assisted image reconstruction something Sony has extensive knowledge of from their television division. PC can do more? Who cares, we're talking gaming here and almost nobody outside of work uses PC for anything this isn't the 90s early 2000s anymore. Lol

[DustMan]

ps5 pro - $700
dual shock controller - 70
disk drive - 80
stand - 30

That's 880 before tax. The value just isn't there.

Also. How did helldivers 2 sell more on PC than it did on ps5 if nobody uses their PC to game anymore lol.

PC has around 120 million steam users, and you can check the majority of players system specs and you'll see that these builds aren't over 2k.

PS5 has sold 56 million units and has a closed eco-system that won't be supported like steam has for over 20 years once you see the PS6. Sony wouldn't be trying to get into the PC gaming space either if their wasn't a very lucrative incentive. I think Helldivers 2 was proof of that concept.

Nobody games on PC anymore lol. What world are you in?

[derek]

@Dust, it comes with a controller, you do not need a disk drive (like pc hypocrite), the console will stand vertically on its own. Nice try tho.

[DustMan]

@derek Ok. So you'll only play solo. No friends around. Got it. I've never had a console with less than 2 controllers lol.

Console gamers bemoan, whine, and cry at the mere mention of digital only. That is undeniable. It's one of the main reason console gamers say it's better. So I went and added that because it seems so important & absolute heresy if it's not.

Your ignorance was shown when you said that nobody games on PC like they did back in the 2000's lol. Any further statement from you is absolutely asinine.

[VariantAEC]

@DustMan
How many PC games allow co-op and do so adequately with just k/m? 🤣 On PC you need two controllers and guess how many PCs come with? Oh, that's right, zero.

[90sGamingWasBetter]

PC gaming and console gaming are different things, many people prefer the plug in and play approach of console gaming, PC enthusiasts like to research and set up up their ideal system. My brother has a powerful PC and I honestly hate the endless tweaking and adjusting of settings when watching him play. I don't like the gaming chair and monitor aspect either, I like my couch and Sony Oled. I'd choose the PS5 Pro over a similarly priced PC regardless of which is more powerful.

[LonDonE]

dude this is a fallacy, i play my gaming rig on my huge bravia in my living room with a series x controller and xbox elite controller reclined on my leather sofa. Its flawless and infinitely better then on my ps5/series x.
I own series, s and series x and a ps5 and switch and switch lite. Was going to buy a ps5 pro but now may not.. £780 is kinda more then i expected.. my wife has been teasing me as she knows i am a tech nut and will likely end up getting one. But PC is allot more accessible than some make out.. my daughters rig is an I7 10 with rtx 3070 and it runs all modern games super smooth at minimum 60, mostly above at 144hz. geforce experience is awesome and updates the drivers nicely and the pc is very hands off. My youngest daughter uses an I7 4770 with a 2060 and it too runs most games at 60fps with decent resolutions.. i would advocate any user to make the jump to pc as its much better and more future proof.

Point i am making is you can get a decent rig for £1000/£1500

I love consoles experience too, whilst i know i am not the common gamer and fall into enthusiast bracket..i want this rubbish narrative that you need a beast pc to run modern games and that its so hard to maintain to be gone.. because its lies..
I am waiting to buy my switch 2 and have even been thinking about buy a rog ally x or lenovo legion.. like i said i love tech and earn good money so blow it on tech i love.
Play on consoles, play on pc or mobile.. the true hard core gamer is the all platform gamer.. not these fanboys who cant admit the pros and cons of each platform.

Yes pcs can run into issues but so do consoles these days.. all are great! and none should be not talked about. When your spending near £800 a pc is very attractive.
People should not let there fanboyism get in the way, brand loyalty is stupid these days.. play what is best for you and appreciate all platforms. I love gaming and so love to support this hobby i adore. With PS5 and xbox games on pc now, and nintendo games through emulators pc is the true master race, love it or hate it but once you go pc you just can never go back! whilst i still play on consoles and will always buy them all i will always buy on pc as its total freedom with max settings etc i play how i want to play simple.

[Michiel1989]

and it will last longer than any console, if you're smart and buy your parts wise with future upgrades and only spend much on the parts that will last you 6+ years, it's a great investment.

[QuestCraze1012]

How about no? What aren't some of you not getting? Console gamers prefer console gaming. They don't care about other things PC's can do.

[andy85]

Not always for day one games. And certainly not if you sell your games

[ChasterMies]

I don’t need a PC to do “a hell of a lot more than play games”. I have an iPad for that.

[Kyizen]

You made the point perfectly, a PC will do a hell of a lot more, because it is not gaming machine. You can build a PC that is Spec'ed to game but it still not going to be plug and play for a 12 year old who wants to game with their friends.

[Christopher]

***No we don't. Sure, a good gaming PC will cost a bit more than $700 USD, but that PC will do a hell of a lot more than just playing games***

Pretty sure most people already have a device that does all those other things. That's kind of the point. PC Rigs are great for gaming. You don't need a PC Rig to do all those other things (unless your job is heavily GPU-related, then you already have that PC).

I'm fine with people promoting PC gaming over console. I get it. But this argument? It's a dumb one. You're not spending all that excess money to do those things, you're doing it just for gaming.

[Markdn]

I never want a pc for gaming I want a console and I'll be buying the pro, it's the best console. Been and done pc stuff, just not interested in all that any more just want two cable and a comfy seat iend off. Guy trying to tell us pcs do so much more, who cares, we're gamers. Simple fact is we wanna play games and games alone. The other things pcs do is totally irrelevant to 100% of console ganers

[porkChop]

If you just want a console and want to buy the PS5 Pro, that's fine. Go ahead and do that. It's your money. No one has a gun to your head. No one is forcing you to do anything. That doesn't mean it's somehow bad or wrong for people to point out there are other options.

[YourMommySpoils]

No thanks, even with a good PC, I want my gaming and work separate. Not that I think PS5 Pro is a good idea, since I'd rather wait for a PS6, but a console does have it's benefits for gamers.

[Juancho51]

@Darth, the reason they say that about XB is because Microsoft brought all of XB best games to PC.

[TheEroica]

Great post.... Knocked it out of the park. Let the salty down votes lash out, it's funny.

[VariantAEC]

Or you can buy a PS5 Pro for gaming and spend $150 on a thin and light laptop for work and that will cost you basically the same amount as a decent base model PS5-level gaming desktop right now.
All the benefits and none of the drawbacks.

[Vits]

I think recommending a computer in this situation actually makes a lot of sense. For a regular console, comparing it to a PC can be a bit confusing. But when you’re talking about a "Pro" console, it’s worth comparing it to the most "Pro" platform out there, which is a PC.

Building a gaming PC might cost more upfront, but over time, that cost evens out. You can often find games for much cheaper, and sometimes even for free if you’re okay with using services like EGS. Plus, you don’t need to pay for online services, backward compatibility is usually pretty good, and you can upgrade parts instead of buying a whole new system later.

Also, a PC isn’t just for gaming. You can use it for a lot more things, from work to different kinds of entertainment. Emulation is becoming more popular, and we’re even seeing progress with PS4 emulation. A console just doesn’t offer that kind of versatility.

So yeah, recommending a PC might not make much sense compared to a cheap, ordinary console. But when it comes to a product aimed at "Pros," it totally does.

[shadowhaxor]

Yes, a PC is for more than just gaming, but in this context, the point of it is for gaming. Hence I have been saying a GAMING PC. If you read my article, you will see that I said that a PC (more specifically Windows) was made for doing work. Maybe people who use consoles don't care about emulation or making Excel sheets or encoding stuff. Maybe those people have an iPad or something else that supplements that.

This is why I totally feel that people are not looking at the big picture and are interjecting themselves into the equation. It's great that X would get a gaming PC over the PS5 Pro, but maybe Y doesn't. Forcing people to do something simply because YOU think they should isn't the approach.

[Vits]

In a context created by you, from an incomplete and extremely biased point of view, instead of analyzing both devices holistically by indicating their respective strengths and weaknesses, and discussing their similar characteristics and the reasons for the similar appeal between them, you prefer to restrict one of these devices to the confines of the other's characteristics and come up with a series of excuses to justify this action. This is done in a way that makes your preferred choice stand out in a useless article that literally adds nothing to the conversation in the first place.

I also find it amusing how you use 'forcing people,' as if someone is holding a gun to the heads of potential PS5 Pro buyers and making them build a PC instead. In reality, people are simply making a suggestion. Whether you agree or not, those two devices appeal to a similar category of gamers.

Putting that aside, I would recommend, if you are indeed the author of this piece, some courses in critical thinking. Your level of analysis seems closer to that of an eighth-grader than a supposedly professional writer with more than a decade of experience, which is rather disappointing.

[DustMan]

Nobody is forcing anything. You just have a subset of PC gamers who see it for what it is. So I think folks who have knowledge of hardware & corresponding prices saw this & scoffed. If it's anything like the ps4 pro's performance upgrade it's not worth it.

[crazyCoconuts]

I agree. Regarding cost of games, EGS over the years has given out so many free games (some really good ones) without having to pay a dime.
I would say that if you're into buying games when they first come out, a console w/ a disk drive has a great cost advantage if you're willing to play it and eBay it when you're finished. I end up playing new games for about $20 that way, but not many are as cheap as I am I'm guessing lol

[shadowhaxor]

To Vits, you seem to be hyper-focused on analyzing the flaws and it shows your bias. No one who has played games on consoles is suddenly going to go "Hey, let's get a gaming PC because this console costs too much." And yet, we have people that are doing just that. However, because your bias is showing, you aren't even paying attention to that. Instead, you overlook pretty much everything I said.

Not one person who has played consoles for nearly all of their gaming lives is going to want to touch a gaming PC, outside of being ok with all the nuance that a gaming PC brings. I focused on the issues that PC gaming has, and before that and not in that article, I've highlighted again and again the positives. But, you feel to bring up, as has others, that PC gaming is everything there is.

Also, way to try and insult me. You can't even try to have a subtle conversation without resulting to insults.

All people are doing is going "oh, these games are cheap, oh, I can get free games, oh, online is free." And not once did I disagree. But I do agree about telling people what they should do, rather than explaining the pros and cons of the equation. Not once did anyone here bring up the negatives of PC gaming. And that's completely unrealistic.

You're telling me that YOU'VE never had an issue with playing a game on PC? It never crashed. You never had issues with performance where a console didn't.

And not everyone wants to use a PC to do more than gaming. That's just how it is. Sure, you can, but everyone does. Those people do exist. That's why smart tablets exist, so they don't need to. That's why smartphones exist. So they can do all that stuff people are saying that they can do, on something other than a computer.

[crazyCoconuts]

conflating both concepts and reply links - impressive...

[Michiel1989]

@shadow ive had more technical issues with consoles than pc, two xbox 360's broken by red ring and one og ps3 from yellow light of death. The only issue i ever had with my pc hardware was that I had to send back a sound card and while it was being repaired i could still play games. Consoles suffer from hardware malfunction as well, loose stick, not working, bricking etc.

I can also make a list of requirements for something and make pc shine, you cant compare just the gaming of a pc cause its not just a gaming device. If i make a list with: has to be gaming device that can also do other productive things, every console would rank at the bottom, even phones would be higher. People go for gaming on pc because of the customization and that you can do more things with it, it's the strength of pc not it's weakness. It's like comparing a car and plane and saying the car is better because it can drive better than the plane but no airline buys a plane just to drive on the landing area.

[ChasterMies]

“when you’re talking about a ‘Pro’ console, it’s worth comparing it to the most ‘Pro’ platform out there, which is a PC.”

If we are going to be dumb about this, we should only compare the “Pro” console to other “Pro” devices like iPad Pro, Mac Pro, iPhone Pro, Surface Pro, and PCs running Windows 11 Pro.

[Gamings-Last-Legend]

For people who think the ps5 pro is "soooo expensive", try building a PC instead. Lol. Let me know how that works out for you. My 65 inch OLED in my living room is ready for 4k/60 on my lovely new ps5 pro!!

[lelo2play]

Do you expect the best games to run at 4k/60fps on the PS5 Pro?

[Gamings-Last-Legend]

I expect them to run better then they would on the base model. Having to pick between fidelity and performance is the biggest disaster plaguing modern day games. This madness has to stop. I don't even know how the heck we got here or when.

[jwillj2k4]

Yes. And if they dont they run better than your base ps5

[Zeke68]

@Gamings-Last-Legend
"I expect them to run better then they would on the base model. Having to pick between fidelity and performance is the biggest disaster plaguing modern day games. This madness has to stop. I don't even know how the heck we got here or when."

Lazy developers who don't optimize their game engines to be honest. Simple as that. And it has just been worse over the last few years, on console at least. :(

[crazyCoconuts]

If the PS5 Pro is anywhere close to the performance of a PC with a Nvidia RTX 3070 or up, the card alone is like $500, so you're looking at a $1K machine at least.

I've got a 3080 with an i7 and I'm curious on how the Pro will stack up. And how PSSR will compare to DLSS.
Looking forward to all the analysis.

[Michiel1989]

a 3070 isnt 500

[crazyCoconuts]

Yeah, 3070s are $500 and up

[DustMan]

Same here. Trusty i7-8700 & 3080 still killing 1440p.

[derek]

I've heard with it's features (raytracing developed with amd that isn't even on the market) it's comparable to a rtx 4070.

[crazyCoconuts]

@zobooma - assuming you're in the US.
Make sure the title doesn't have (Renewed) at the end. Used cards are obviously a lot cheaper.

[darthv72]

"This madness has to stop."... it wont stop though. the same walls that caused the choices of fidelity and performance on the base 5 will rear their ugly head on the pro in good time. There will still be choices for even newer games that have not released yet.

[kayoss]

Of course it will rear its ugly head. Games are getting bigger, getting more sophisticated, technology is getting better. Youre not expecting the PS5 Pro to keep up with that did you? Even with a high end gamiing PC, you have to upgrade a few things to keep up with the type of games that are being released. Even the 4070 will soon be outdated. Why you think we have a new console about every 10 years?
At the end of the day, the PS5 pro is targeted for non-PC gamers who want both performance and fidelity that is cheaper than buying/building a high end PC. Again, its an optional option.

[Michiel1989]

@kayoss
The closest equivalent graphics card to PS5 GPU is a Radeon RX 5700, the graphics card comes with 2304 GPU cores, and 9.5 teraflops of GPU performance (Real-world usage). The second closest PS5 equivalent would be a GeForce RTX 2070. ps5 still performing great with a 2070 like
gpu so stop spreading false info. a 4070 will last you a very long time, unless you expect it to run everything at 8k with all bells and whistles on 8 years after release for the newest games, that it will not do, but thats an unrealistic expectation anyway.

[Amplitude]

Hogwarts Legacy with RT runs at 30fps on the PS5 Pro. You can literally see it in the announcement video. Games will still have choices, and that is a very good thing.

[DustMan]

it's almost 2025. 4k has been around how long? Still can't get the sweet spot of 4k 60fps on consoles. I thought that was going to be a selling point of the PS5 in general.

[Amplitude]

@Dustman: because 4K is a gross misuse of resources when you can render at 1440p and upscale to 4K with DLSS, giving a better-than-native image (due to the inherent antialiasing that comes with DLSS) with less performance cost.

The consoles are also getting up to half a decade old

[DustMan]

How much was the TV?

[ocelot07]

I'll happily tell anyone to give PC gaming a try. It's a great experience. I don't get the whole "but the pc can do so much more" argument. People are looking at buying a console are looking to pretty much play games and that's it. So why go on and on about ohhh but on a pc you can read your emails. You can pay your bills, you can watch dirty videos blah blah blah.

It's like the JayzTwoCents video he uploaded yesterday. He already put a system together that cost him about $700 that has a 3060 ti. Then played Cyberpunk using medium settings. Like don't get me wrong that's a great mid range pc. But the Pro ain't even out for 2 months.

But I think it's absolutely misleading. You have people saying oh you can build a $700 pc that can match a PS5 Pro. Expecially 2 months before it even releases. We all know PC's don't receive the level of optimization consoles do.

Look at how long PS4 and Xbox One lasted and absolute rubbish hardware. Have PC's from 10 years ago try and run and play as good as last of us 2 did on PS4.

[ReignMan_27]

People can also do a lot of the basic stuff (check their e-mails, browse the web, edit videos, etc.) on their phones too so there's that.

[VariantAEC]

My phone envodes 4K60 video in high bitrates faster than my PC and the only device faster at doing that... PS5!

But PS5 doesn't do stuff like that of course... you know that isn't even what 1st party apps like Share-Factory were even made for, of course. 🤣 The painful truth is that PS5 can't compose spreadsheets or slide presentations... but my phone can and I'm not even talking about my latest phone when it comes to the simple stuff.

High quality video encoding is much slower on my latest PC than it is on my most recent phone though, but my most recent phone is much newer than PS5, yet PS5 is still faster. Yes, that is a real thing. No PC guy will say that one thing PS5 can do faster than PC because it makes PC look worse than it is on the productivity front... but phones are way faster than PC at most of the simpler productivity tasks today, too.

Even my most recent phone is no where near matching my laptop's CPU performance (never mind being anywhere remotely close to that same PC's GPU performance), yet productivity apps are much faster on phones, not even just my most recent phone. This, of course, excludes any of those atrocious Windows mobile office apps which place stupid restrictions on files and more just to make PCs look more worthwhile for productivity purposes. Who would have ever guessed Microsoft would pull such s••• to make their platform look better?

Stick to gaming related topics because there are many more flaws in using your gaming PC as your general purpose productivity device than you even know exist like anything revolving around security. It's not that consoles don't have security vulnerabilities, its that those vulnerabilities generally amount to nothing, but not on PC where all you important data lives. Best to lower your footprint by sandboxing no better way to do that than owning separate devices specialized for certain tasks, eh?

[Sephiroushin]

you used a sony game as an example which are ultra optimized, others arent as much ... either way a 980ti can run most games the ps4 run at 1080 30fps which is as old as a ps4 and someone with a pc do not need to pay for gimmick to play online so that money is saved for upgrades, same for every single game that is bought, you can easily save 15-20$ on every single game at release, and if you buy many games those savings add up in a single year ...

the first time you build a pc its expensive but later on not as much, i mean if you choose a good case and fans they last years, same for psu which easily they have 5-10 year warranty same goes for the mobos... even the m2 and ssd, i have some from 10 years ago that still works (no financial issue so i mainly use them for videos, data etc and not games perse but old game could sit there no problem even new ones but loading could take a small hit) they are super cheap now anyways 2tb 7000 speed at 100$...

also you can get $ back from the old components, for example i switched from a 3080ti to a 7900xtx and only had to add like 70$ (and even got a free games with it that could have sold and made it 0$ but i am not including) because i sold it at a good price and i didnt even need to switch it...

oh and people who have microcenter close to them are blessed, theres no thinking needed with one near you.

choose your part rights and they can last a long period of time... btw some of my friends cant play the first descendant on ps5 at all because all the crashes it has (ala MHW demo on gamescom), its also a blurry mess, but just an example of how not every game is optimized for consoles...

[VariantAEC]

The GTX 980 TI launched about 2 years after PS4 and it did not keep pace with PS4 just as how we will likely see the PS5 Pro put the RTX 4070 Ti to shame if not on launch it will happen in time. After all, the PS5 already puts the RTX 3060 to shame despite that card being released 3 years after the PS5 was. Notice how basically everyone now compares consoles with RTX 3070 and above these days? There is a reason for that.

[Sarcasm]

Because they want the narrative to fit their story.

How else do you make something like a gaming console look less valuable? You point out the alternative and all the great things it can do, while ignoring the base reason why anyone would want it to begin with.

This has existed since the dawn of PC vs Console gaming and it's the same old tired playbook we've seen time and time again.

And I have what's considered a high end PC today, 13900K/4090, and I still enjoy playing GAMES on my PS5. I don't sit there and go, Gee, I wish this PS5 could open Microsoft Excel and open up my financial reports on. No, I just want it to play games and that's it.

[DustMan]

Out of curiosity If you have that strong of a PC why don't you just run an HDMI to your TV? You can use your controller as a mouse through steam. I repurposed my dining room into a work area since we never use it, and the space just went to waste. So i bought a 8k high speed 30ft HDMI cable for $20 and have no issues.

One major con for PC is this, and it truly is a major benefit to console gamers. Wire management becomes a pain in the ass.

Anyway. Great combo.

[VariantAEC]

@DustMan
Another major con on PC is not being able to do everything with a gamepad controller without hoping some shoddy and often shady 3rd apps might mediate normal Windows operations through user configured macros.

[Sarcasm]

@DustMan

My PC is in my home office, and the PS5 is in the living room, connected to a 120" Projector (Epson LS800)

[Kakashi Hatake]

Not to mention there's games on PS5 you're not going to get right away on PC.

[Michiel1989]

and every pc game is on console? there's more games not on console than the other way around

[andy85]

But generally PC only games aren't that great. I can't think of a single acclaimed PC only game. Where as PC gamers are waiting years for several of them on the PS side.

[VariantAEC]

@andy85
Only League of Legends, DoTA, and World of Warcraft come to mind. Unbelievable decades long hype surround true stinkers like Star Citizen on PC.

Even PC's best is only truely recognized by E-Sport, which incentivizes users to buy just to practice to get gud with the carrot being massive cash prizes for winning tournaments. I don't know anyone who plays League or DoTA for fun.

This leaves WoW, which was only really notable for being actively played by, at one point, more than 20 million people. It wasn't a powerhouse in any other way and basically anyone can run it on the weakest 2015 era thin and light laptops, much like Counter-Strike.

[shadowhaxor]

I love Jayz content, but I feel he cheated a bit in that video and I thought about asking him about it, but decided it wasn't worth it.

1. He used a refurbished GPU, something he said he'd never do.
2. He used an Inland SSD - those things are shit-tier. They're also cheaper since they are Microcenter's brand. I have no idea who makes the parts or the controller.
3. He then again used an Inland case, which isn't bad, but he went against his own words (he said this ages ago) to prove a point. But hey, it worked.

If this PC was someone's first go, outside of using a TV, they still need the monitor, keyboard, mouse, and OS (which he was also happy enough to tell people to go pirate)

To prove a point. That's terrible.

But whatever. I'm going to play my PC and the PS5 Pro (if it's worth it).

[SimpleDad]

Gaming PC is a totally different animal.

[Inverno]

I think people need to let go of their loyalty and obsession with a brand when people suggest a legitimate alternative. Y'all wanna use the usual excuse that a PC is expensive, but don't want to acknowledge all the added costs that a modern console has. You're wasting money away on either one, it's just smarter to waste money on the one that actually saves you some of that money in the long run. You site features that your favorite console has while ignoring you can do all those on a PC, brag about games that are no longer exclusive and have been slowly but surely made their way to PC, brag about a service that blocks you from playing the other half of a game you paid for because it gives you "free games", well you can get free games on PC and multiplayer is still fully free without a sub.
Whatever argument you have against the idea of switching from console to PC there's a argument to counter it. Most of these arguments are just the same repeated lies over the years. It's just your fanboy mentality convincing you that you're right and everyone who says otherwise is wrong.

[ChasterMies]

“ Y'all wanna use the usual excuse that a PC is expensive, but don't want to acknowledge all the added costs that a modern console has.”

If you mean Xbox Game Pass Core, PS+ Essential, and whatever Nintendo’s thing is, I agree that it sucks ti have to pay for online multiplayer. But I get a lot of value out of the PS+ Essential service like online game saves and the 3 games a month. But that’s a cost issue. On PC, you have a time issue. Driver updates. Windows updates. Steam updates. I’ve been there. It sucks.

[Inverno]

You got updates on consoles too, they aren't any worse on PC and they usually happen in the background like practically every update on every modern device . You got online saves and epic gives out 2 free games every 2 weeks on PC, plus the free games you can get from GOG/Steam and games that multiple publishers have given out without a sub. Again those are features that aren't exclusive to PS and don't require a sub to get on PC. Those are lousy reasons/excuses no offense. I own a PS3, PS4, VITA, PSP, PS2, PS1, Switch, Gamecube, been playing all my life on consoles. If I'm suggesting PC as an alternative it's cause I've gone over from the console space to the PC space. I believed the excuses back then of things being more complicated and expensive on PC, they're lies made made up by people who blindly follow a brand.

[DustMan]

If you have an Humble Bundle Subscription your getting like 12 games a month for $11.99. It will also include discount coupons on other games. Also they are yours to keep. You're not going to have to worry about wondering if it's going to leave PS+ or Gamepass.

[Lexreborn2]

I have a PC, 3080 64gb ram i9 ryzen. I still want a ps5 pro, because I like new technology and this is my hobby. I don’t need anyone to tell me what I need in my life. Especially when I already have it

[Miraak82]

Why get a pro when ps6 is only a few years away , get a nice PC now and it will last you well beyond when ps6pro releases . Lets say that's 8-10 years from now accounting for having to pay for online play ( $80y or $640 in a 8 yr span minimum) plus 3 different console releases in that time frame ps5 pro, ps6 and ps6pro . Then having to see ps6 getting remasters of ps5 games at full price lol . True exclusives are becoming few a far between so get a nice PC , forget ps5pro and ps6 and just wait for ps6pro to play all the best versions of the exclusives

[andy85]

I mean will it..PS6 pro were talking 2032, so well beyond that in your words add a couple of years. 10 years from now. Looking at a PC from 10 years ago. We're talking the 9 series. So nice PC...let's go towards to the top of the line, a 980. It doesn't run today's games. You're still paying more overall. Buying a great PC today and who's to say it won't struggle in several years like cards from several years ago do. At least buying the consoles you're guaranteed to play everything. Cheaper to game too if you're smart enough to not hoard games you've finished

[CrashMania]

As someone who even has a decent level PC I agree. A PC equivalent performance is still going to cost more, without all the in box optimisations the Pro software will have, sure it's a bit closer now, but the Pro is for Playstation console enthusiasts, mainly aimed at existing owners, and without an equivalent powerful system coming from MS, it's not aimed at PC owners, it's not a mass market product.

I still feel people who throw this around or go on some part picker and conveniently leaving out a mouse, keyboard, speakers, headsets and other stuff for PC while making it mandatory to include a disc drive and stand when comparing to the Pro proce, most PC gamers game on 1-2 monitors, should we start including the price of those when most households have a TV already?

Consoles still appeal for the convenience factor, carrying over PS4 digital libraries, and first party games. People still lump Sony in with MS about 'putting everything on PC' but it's just not the same, they put some games on PC 1-2 or more years later, why would a console owner abandon their PS4/5 and huge digital libraries to jump to PC to then wait years to play the games they bought a PS for? And with MS releasing games on PS now that were formely supposed to be exclusive, that's even less reason for PS owners to just buy an expensive PC.

Saying all of that, it's still a bit too expensive, I think at 600, with a drive, maybe even a 1tb option to try and ease the price of it, it'd have been received more widely positively and been just about acceptable. But I'm also not surprised as tech just isn't as cheap as it used to be and there's no competing, higher end Xbox console with it.

[Sephiroushin]

you do not have a monitor for your console already or a tv?

I mean I use a LG G3 oled with a pc, you can certainly use a tv, granted it latency etc could be worst if the tv doesnt factor gaming like the line of lg g, b, a series etc ...

also a keyboard and mouse are super cheap, if you like gaming on kb&m you can switch once you feel youre good to go yet many people can use cheap kb&m okay and most gamers coming from consoles keep using a controller which they already have, there is no need to buy a logitech pro x superlight or a razer vyper ultimate paired with custom keyboard!

And speakers ? most people have a headset already and, the speakers they already use with their consoles which yes can be used by the pc, we are no longer on the 1990 ...

"why would a console owner abandon their PS4/5 and huge digital libraries to jump to PC to then wait years to play the games they bought a PS for?"

I left before the ps5 released, i still got a ps5 that i never use, that may use for death stranding 2... i do not have enough time to play both and i prefer the pc, i have over 150 platinum on Playstation and over 500 games which more than 100 are digitally... i still buy some collectors from time to time and i have no regret of abandoning that library. actually the steam library is way way bigger although i will never play half, honestly not even 1/4 of the games because time .

[CrashMania]

All fair points, everyone is different. I guess I was just trying to argue, in a long winded way that there is still plenty of arguments for owning consoles, even a higher end one like this for some, I'm just not a fan of some of the arguments being presented.

[Sephiroushin]

with exclusives alone anyone can win an argument reason why i keep the ps5 and mentioned death stranding (not a popular opinion but i loved that game) even though my nephew use it more (its basically his), pc are better even for gaming on a couch but they are not for everyone, even the heat could be a factor; but someone that really wants to move and can afford it has no excuses because now a days they dont even require a person to be tech savy, a friend of mine moved without knowing anything from pc, i helped on the way and at some point his interest in IT spiked and is a year away from graduating, weird i know...

someone who do not want to play on pc can still play on consoles, but the excuse on prices is diminishing; and gamers should be prepared, MS is not doing anything and Sony is basically solo since Nintendo caters to a different market, so they will keep abusing it consumers, ala nvidia with their high end gpus; if people accept it open arms, the ps6 might be 999 (just to not use 4 digits) in a few years and i am not even joking about it especially if amd doesnt do something to counter Nvidia market share!

[VariantAEC]

Nah dude, I won't let this slide like others will. If you live in the US most people have TVs because basic local TV channels are free for everyone. I understand that isn't a given for EU folks. That said most people in the developed world have recent TVs with HDMI ports and those work with modern PCs of all shapes sizes and capability. So, we can ignore the cost of a screen for both. We can not ignore the cost of certain peripherals for PC though. Many games are truly not fun to play on a K/M like racing games. That is how I was forced to play for a decade because generic gamepad support didn't really become generic until the late 2000s early 2010s. This includes support for the Windows Xbox 360 controllers... I know, I lived and gamed through that period. And guess what didn't change from then to now? That many PC games aren't too good with k/m. Not everything is an FPS and even today there are mixed use FPS gamers using the pad or a gamepad stand-in to control movement with the mouse still being used to aim. None of that is standard though and most of it is not cheap nor works well when reclining on a couch. Then there is the fact that most of those special gaming peripherals aren't even wireless like all the console gamepads are. So, setup in the living room is a mess and basically untenable if you have pets, too. Dogs will trip all over the wiring and cats may eat those wires if you don't cover them up. There's a lot of considerations that PC gamers don't even think about though most of their own rigs have all these problems that consoles don't face on average in anyway shape or form and they full well know it.

The poor ergonomics of cheap PC gaming habits can and really do also wreck your hands. This was alleged by PC gamers about the current gen controllerss before this gen even began, which is hilarious! Meanwhile there is some data showing K/M play is often times more damaging than gaming on a controller. From Esports Healthcare, "Carpal tunnel syndrome tends to occur in people who spend a lot of time using a PC with poor body mechanics; therefore, if you’re a PC gamer, you are more likely to experience this ailment.

More specifically, carpal tunnel syndrome is more likely to occur in your right hand due to prolonged extension of the wrist to hold the mouse.

Note: if you’re a console gamer, you are not necessarily excluded from the risk of developing carpal tunnel syndrome. However, due to the hand positions and movement patterns involved in gripping a console controller, it is significantly less common."

There are so many not spoken or considered benefits of console gaming.

[Sephiroushin]

@variant…

Why write so much about carpel tunnel and health etc…

You can clearly use a controller on PC, pretty easy now a days i use a scuff envision, not cheap but there are cheap alternatives as well, at least cheaper than on consoles because they do not need the stupid license; my keyboard is 350$ usd but i am an avid pc gamer without much time, eaither way i clearly mentioned that you can use a controller and get cheap keyabord and mouse that you will hardly touch if you play on a controller and steam has a big picture mode which is a console like ui, a console dont come with a good controller either so you will benefit from the edge, or elite ones which yeah cost same or more than a pc counter part like the gulikit kk3, idk if its good but has great reviews and very much an elite for half it price and it comes with hall effect triggers and sticks…

With a 10$ bluetooth you can use anything witeless that you use from consoles… either way there are cheaper options on pc again because there is no need for stupid licenses…

And about your other comments, the ps5 doesnt run native thats why, take alan wake 2 as an example, see ya 😂

[Elda]

I'm buying the PS5 pro on day one.

[Deathdeliverer]

Day one for me. I think people are being unrealistic and these journalist aren’t putting any thought into it. PS5 is $500. Period. If they did a PS4 pro was a $50-$100 people would say it isn’t a big enough difference. Who asked for this? You’re fine just a regular PS5. They went balls out for a $200 increase. It’s a CLEAR difference that will only become more pronounced as developers support it. I personally always go for frame rate/performance and after I beat a game I may come back in quality mode just to see what it looks like. Even then I may only replay the first level. To not be able to choose is awesome. It’s a premium experience. For people like me that don’t want to choose, it’s for you. iPhone 16 is $800 usd. How much is the IPhone 16 Pro? $1200. Guess how much outrage happened? None. Possibly because people can get their phone with monthly payments and still have access to arguably the best version. With PS5 Pro you get a credit card for the purchase and make payments, you save, or you stick with the awesome base PS5. Regardless, gamers are the ones that are entitled and expect everything for nothing. Sony does NOT think this will sell like a base PS5. They won’t produce it like it will either. It will sell though. Like I said, I’m there day one. I play games on my PC vs my series X because I don’t have to make many compromises. 4090, i9 13950. Premium means not everyone will see the value, and not everyone will have it. I passed on the Xbox One X. I’m pretty sure Microsoft didn’t mind.

[bigfish]

Not everyone wants to build a pc, alot of gamers just want to get straight in and start gaming, and not bother about buying this component and installing that software and doing this and that.

[Baza]

Windows PC based gaming.. NO thank you.

[TheNamelessOne]

Why? When we're starting to see consoles approaching almost $1000 now, despite only being an upgrade to years old tech as is, it's entirely reasonable to point out there's other options. Especially when PC gaming, while more expensive up front, is cheaper to maintain and offers more to players.

[90sGamingWasBetter]

People will buy whatever they want to buy, you're entitled to an opinion but at the end of the day that's all it is. I'd but the PS5 Pro over a similarly priced PC because I prefer the console gaming experience, it's as simple as that.

[jambola]

I think it's more of a writing on the wall situation
you can spend a bit more for something that will probably last a lot longer, can be upgraded etc
maybe I'm wrong, but if someone buys a pc now, they won't be required to spend 500+ in 3-4 years if they want to upgrade, if someone bought a pc in 2020, they wouldn't have to spend 700+ for an upgrade now

playstation is getting harder and harder to justify for what exclusives we get, and this is from a lifelong fan
it's what? 21 games listed? and that's including vr, remasters, and games not yet released

[Dirty_Lemons]

Yes, we do. It's a weird elitist mentality that some gamers have; PC being far superior etc etc. - the logistics of having a PC in some homes just isn't practical, but most of us have a TV, and a game console takes up considerably less space next to it. There's also a strange refusal to acknowledge that most gamers aren't the type of people who come on N4G, or read gaming news. They kick back on the sofa and play a few games after school or a hard day's work.

Much like the console wars, whether it's Nintendo/ Sega or Microsoft/ Sony, this shit has continued for years, it's so boring now.

[XxSPIDEYxX]

PlayStations putting their games on PC, upgradable parts, no monthly costs to play online, crossplay, can use multiple controllers, need I continue? You're goona spend almost a grand on a PS5 pro, then another grand in 3 years for a PS6...but PC is too pricey?

[RupeeHoarder]

yes because in 3 years your $2000+ gaming PC GPU will be mediocre at best and require another $1000 upgrade. Gaming performance on PCs for new titles degrades so much faster than on consoles. This is a point PC enthusiasts or make-pretend enthusiasts fail to bring up. The lifespan of a Gaming PC is so much shorter than a console.

[HankHill]

Does your shithole country not have gaming PCs or what? Just say you're a PS fanboy and prefer that. There's no need to make up a bunch of lies about PC gaming.

[Software_Lover]

If this isn't the biggest case of "Emotional Damage" I have seen in a while LOL

[ChasterMies]

PC gamers don’t even link to a PC to buy. They post a parts list and sure enough, the parts list doesn’t have everything you would need to actually play games. (In case you wondering what is missing, it’s usually the OS to run games, the game controller to play games, and the keyboard and mouse needed to set up the PC. Might as well also include an HDMI cable because PS5s have them too). Truth is and always will be that a PlayStation or Xbox is cheaper than gaming in PC.

[z2g]

no one is telling ppl to get pcs, people are just deciding that. consoles are quickly becoming more expensive and all the best console games are coming to pc. those two things were what gave consoles an advantage. but you can actually buy an entry level gaming pc at this price now that can be upgraded over time and tailored to your own personal needs. or you can just buy a proper gaming pc and call it day for years - and then just upgrade the parts you need over time. PC gaming services are also now more console like than ever... lets not even talk about streaming services etc.

ive been a console gamer since the ps1, and I am finding the reasons to buy a console are receding year by year.
nobody told me that, I just noticed it. the ps5 pro is only more proof of a trend.

[Charlieboy333]

What proper spec gaming PC are you gonna have to buy where you can 'call it a day' for 8 years like a console? I can tell you now that PC will be very expensive and will also NOT last you 8 years if you want to run games at high settings. On console the games get BETTER as time goes on.......just wait and see what's going to be released on PS5 in the next 4 years and I can promise you that your gaming PC from 8 years ago won't be able to come close!

People act like the PS5 Pro means that the standard PS5 has suddenly vanished from the face of the earth. The standard PS5 is still a VERY capable machine that is going to output the best looking games we have ever seen once the latter half gen games release from Sony first party and others like Rockstar.......and it will continue to do so till the end of it's lifespan. You CAN NOT say that about a gaming PC.

[LifesChoice]

It’s all an investment invest where you want. I have a gaming pc and ps5. I’m going to get a Ps5pro just like anything else that I wanted. Choose what you want, most my family game on ps5 and every time someone comes over I let them experience gaming on 165hz but none were convinced to the point of getting a pc 😂. It’s for who it’s for, it’s your money spend it how you want. I’m a tech head so I understand trying to convince others but at the end of the day people will do what they want.

[EazyC]

Perhaps something needs to be said about a more accessible way to play PC games in a plug+play fashion (this massively turned me off when I briefly tried them)...BUT, the fact is, if you're dropping that kind of money you obviously really care about high fidelity videogaming, at which point....why not at least consider going all out?

[fr0sty]

Articles need to stop telling people what to do. I agree that a PS5 Pro is a good value over a similarly priced PC, but regardless, let people think for themselves.

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

Casual gamers are not going to choose a PC over a gaming console. Only the hardcore gamer will consider getting a gaming PC over the Pro due to price. My PC cost me around 1800 on sale and while it’s expensive my GPU will be better than the PS6 or next Xbox. Ease of use is what will always make consoles a better choice for JUST gaming.

[darthv72]

Casual gamers arent the ones arguing here... we can pretty much deduce that they dont hang out in gaming forums... hardcore ones do. and those are the ones who are conversing back and forth over this subject. so what you have [here] are hardcore people telling other hardcore people to either get a PC or not get a PC.

[Profchaos]

Yeah we do

not everyone wants a PC it's annoying when people run around taking people they need a gaming PC and that's coming from someone with a capable gaming PC and multiple consoles like ps5, switch and tons of retro consoles.

You have to also ask
Does that person work in front of a PC all day and would they really want to spend their downtime using a PC

PC players deal with the following:
Windows updates
Driver updates
Compatability issues
Securing windows
Not all games have gamepad support out of the box especially older titles
Rebuying their library
Is their PC at their desk or is it in the lounge room once it's set up in one location it's a massive hassle to move it
Online matches play out dramatically different with a keyboard and mouse play a shooter with a gamepad where the lobby isn't split to gamepad only is a frustrating experience
Multiple launchers
Games come to consoles first by a lot GTA vi will be exclusive for 12 - 24 months

What console players deal with
Paid multiplayer

Consoles are simplified and easy to use.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

The Outer Haven can kick rocks.

The reason to have to get a console use to be affordability, decent quality, exclusive content. It’s getting harder to justify console purchases beyond the Nintendo Switch. Someone build a console hybrid and get this over with. Consoles are just glorified close ecosystem boxes anyway.

[gold_drake]

this argument has been going on for a looong time. even when the ps3 came out.

people should buy or build what they want, but i understand that the "ugh like just buy a pc" is abit annoying.

pc is more of a delicate thing when it comes to software and components. sure it's more "freedom", but not everyone has the knowhow when theres a bigger issue.

a console is plug and play.

in the end, ppl should what they want and not let others tell them what to do or buy, cause They think its better.

[NextGenCeo]

Definitly get a PC over PS5 or Pro. I have both. I have PS5-PS4-Switch and RX 7900XT and 7800X3D with 32gb ram PC. Guys definitly get PC. Even Budget PC or mid tier PC's can do better than PS5.

[LeShin]

I'm not buying the PS5 pro, but one thing bothers me about the arguments to build a PC and someone always says:

"You can do a lot more with a PC"

I'm an analyst and a photographer / videographer and in my spare time, I train local AI models. I own a Asus Zephyrus Duo 16 with a RTX 4090 (laptop version of course) with 16GB vram, 96GB ram and 2X 4TB ssd with 7400 read and 6500 write.

I only use my laptop for the things above, which are niche use cases.

Everything else I use my smart TV (to watch movies), my tablet to watch movies on the go and send the odd email and my phone for basically everything else. I'm sure many people are like me...without my niche use cases. I would bet that unless your gaming, you don't really need a PC for anything you can't already do on another device..hell you can even edit photos and videos on your phone these days...I can't only because sell the photos

[Destiny1080]

the PS5 Pro has already killed the Pc gaming market, they just don't realize it yet

[TheNamelessOne]

lol

Bless your heart.

[HankHill]

In your dreams. 🤡

[sizedconch4]

Yo i think you have to disclose sponsored content. Just my 2 cents

[PassNextquestion]

I think PCs and consoles are both great things and people should buy whatever they prefer. I've done and continue to game on both platforms.

[LeShin]

Well said. I think all time used up by hating either side of the argument could be better spent on something else...like gaming lol

[jjb1981]

It's funny how people will call other people broke when they don't want to buy a PS5 Pro. Then you tell those PS5 Pro enthusiasts to buy a PC because its more powerful and they complain about how expensive it is to maintain or build one. The hypocrisy is real. "I cAn aFFoRD bOTh"

[HankHill]

The fanboys on here aren't the brightest bulbs in the pack.

[Juancho51]

Many people dont care to build a PC and maintain it. I was a PC gamer for about 10 years. Happily switched to console and havent looked back. It’s true lately PC has been getting some of the good games that are on PS5, but thats good for the PC crowd and good for the developers to have their projects reach a wider audiance. I have not missed out on any games I wanted to play on PC because most of the great ones are multiplat anyway.

I honestly never want to build a pc again in my life, I used to do it all the time, install new video card, upgrade RAM, blah blah blah, fuck all that shit.

[HankHill]

You can buy pre-built gaming PCs online. It's 2024 not 1994.

[dmonee]

It seems like were moving closer and closer to a time where there wont be gaming consoles anymore. I wonder in the future if Sony will just make a gaming PC and brand it as a PlayStation PC

[LeShin]

Not sure if Sony would ever make a gaming PC...but it would be very bad news if there were no more consoles, because you would have only two choices to make Nvidia or AMD GPU...and I think AMD isn't going to be competing with Nvidia on the high end GPU's anymore.

So if Sony 'allegedly' priced the PS5 Pro the way that it did as it didn't think they had any competition from the Xbox. what do people think Nvidia's going to do?

[NovusTerminus]

If they enjoy PS, then who am I to tell them not to get the highest end way to enjoy that? I'd rather they buy a PS5 Pro instead of whatever new $1500 flagship phone of their chosen brand is launching their yearly minor refresh.

[thecodingart]

No

[x_xavier_x]

Now I'm going to tell them even harder.

[TwoPicklesGood]

Nah. Better to get a pc.

[Firebird360]

Pc isn't for everyone. Nothing can replace the couch comfortable ease of use consoles offer.
The average gamer just wants to flip on a game and it just works, no tweaking, no tinkering. Some of us love that but the vast majority don't.
$700 is steal for whats packed into ps5 pro. You can't reach those specs and performance with a built or built yourself pc.
I personally have no problem with the price. We need to move on from forcing manufacturers to build consoles based on a $400 price point, all its doing is hampering innovation and leading to these mid gen refreshes.

[LeShin]

Agreed. Oliver from Digital Foundry also echoed those sentiments. He mentioned he has a very high end PC...but most of his time is spent on his PS5 when it comes to gaming. Get whatever works for you

[WolfSeed]

No.

[Knightofelemia]

It's up to the person, their personal preference, and what their budget dictates. If they can get and only afford a PS5 then buy a PS5. If they can afford a PC then buy a PC.

[Rhythmattic]

Who cares?.. Buy it if you want, or dont...
Buy a PC or don't.....
What is the problem? I cant see it, except the cost... If thats a problem, dont spend the money.
to think , the only metric is price... game availability , or an ecosystem..... Everyone can choose...It doesnt mean your choice is everyones else's....
Damn.. Fanboys everywhere...
#dealwithit

[LeShin]

Fanboys...inevitable as death and taxes...

[Good-Smurf]

As a guy who owns a high-end gaming laptop and annoyed at PS5 Pro price, it simply isn't as easy to game on PC.
You can have all the power in the world and paid thousands of bucks for it yet you're still not immune to some kind of tinkering before playing each time, and each time Windows got updated it tends to mess up your settings and games that used to run perfectly fine suddenly are riddled with frame/shader compiling stuttering issues.
Yes, even my emulators no longer run some games as well due to Windows update messed it up.
Sure, for the same you can get maybe something entry level gaming laptop for the price of PS5 Pro but it won't be anything close to beat and give out better experience.
I'm not getting PS5 Pro not because I hate its price, or the lack of disc drive it's because I'm now have use cases where a handheld gaming PC become handy while I'm out and about not to mention that my PS5 still going strong so unless that thing bites the dust there's no need for PS5 Pro to me.
Despite the PS5 Pro won't undo the facts that PS5 simply run games a lot more stable than my high-end gaming laptop ever could and it had nothing to do with its hardware.

[Pyrofire95]

I just want people to stop being dicks about stuff they were never going to be invested in anyway.

[Kekewei]

It's like convincing a windows user switch to linux, or an apple user to android...
There are always two choices in market, one is convenience and the other is freedom. It's just personal preference ，there is no right answer for everyone

[GrmpyolGamer]

Errrrrr no 🤷

[Matpan]

Who is we? and why? Who writes these articles?
People need to know there are other alternatives and what their pros and cons are.

You know what people don't need? more filler articles about nothing at all...

[Millatron]

Why you should always recommend a PC over a Playstation:
- Sony sucks
- PCs are awesome