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Microsoft Deserves Some Credit For Selling Tango Instead Of Closing

Microsoft selling off Tango Gameworks rather than closing them is a welcome sight, and a rarity in gaming

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-Foxtrot317d ago

Are we really trying to spin this…

darthv72317d ago

In light of the ready at dawn situation.... yes. Meta should have sold to someone else who could appreciate them. At least MS has done just that here. The silver lining is Tango can continue on and make a Rush 2 if they want to. RAD... not so much.

Jin_Sakai317d ago

Here you go deflecting. The moral of the story is that Microsoft should’ve kept Tango Gameworks because they made one of the best games on Xbox this generation.

darthv72317d ago

^^no disagreement there jin. However I seem to recall this was Bethesda's call... not MS, but MS being the overall higher up the food chain should have done more to ensure their survival. But (and this is not deflecting, it is comparing) at the very least they have given Tango a fighting chance by letting another outfit take over instead of just putting them out on the streets (like Meta did with RAD).

Tacoboto317d ago

Microsoft should've kept a studio that they had no idea how to manage?

Michiel1989316d ago

@darth if that were the case, bethesda can't make those decisions on their own and even if they did, bethesda is now an extension of microsoft whether we want it or not. They might still be mostly autonomous for the most part, but a major decision like canning a studio is not something they can do without MS agreeing with it, if you think otherwise idk what to say.

Cacabunga316d ago

How do you know that they can continue HFR if they want to.. new owner new direction. I hope not especially if it’s mobile game or gaas but it happens often lately..

Let’s wait and see what they’ll decide of Ninja Theory.. I’m waiting for them to go independent again they are brilliant developers

Obscure_Observer316d ago

"In light of the ready at dawn situation.... yes. Meta should have sold to someone else who could appreciate them. At least MS has done just that here. The silver lining is Tango can continue on and make a Rush 2 if they want to. RAD... not so much."

This!

Jin_Sakai316d ago

@Tacoboto

“Microsoft should've kept a studio that they had no idea how to manage?“

If they can’t manage a small studio that made on of the best Xbox games of this generation then Microsoft should exit the gaming business.

Hotpot316d ago

???

Krafton gets the credit because they're the one who actually SAVES the studio. This ass company called MS reported a profit increase, even after excluding ABK acquisition, yet somehow closed their award winning studio.

FinalFantasyFanatic315d ago

@Tacoboto,
They could just let the developer have free-reign within reason, HiFi Rush was supposedly in production before Microsoft bought them. But I get the feeling that Microsoft might like to meddle too much with their studios, which may or may not be true.

Einhander1972315d ago

Tacoboto

Microsoft shouldn't have bought studios they weren't going to support, and lets not forget this was one of 4 studios they closed down.

VariantAEC311d ago

@tacoboto
Uh, well, here's a thoght... If MS didn't know how to manage any of these devs, they shouldn't have moved to acquire them!

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Michiel1989316d ago

it's a terrible thing that happened but at least the people there have an opportunity to keep their jobs, I think that's worth mentioning for sure although I wouldn't go as far as giving them credit for it.

VenomUK316d ago (Edited 316d ago )

Before the announcement of the sell-off Microsoft had said nothing about it, just that it was closing the studio down, Matt Booty wrote: “ TangoGameworks will also close”. So I think after the initial backlash Phil Spencer and MS decided to try and find a buyer. Good guy Phil! He doesn’t get enough credit for being the goodest of good guys.

https://www.ign.com/article...

IAMRealHooman316d ago

should of closed 343, kept tango. One can make good games

DodoDojo316d ago

343s watered down Halo games are more profitable sadly.

The Wood316d ago

They really are. You wouda thought it was penned by destin

Zeref316d ago

Yes. Too often have we seen talented studios get closed and franchises lost.
Microsoft went through the effort of looking for a buyer instead of closing it and now we can get Hi-Fi Rush 2.

-Foxtrot316d ago (Edited 316d ago )

Lmao

We have no idea if MS actual shopped them around. If so they’d have gladly came out and said they were looking for buyers to calm down backlash and that would have been good PR but they didn’t

If anything people like Krafton approached them.

Einhander1972315d ago

This was one of four closed studios.

Zeref315d ago

@-Foxtrot

Sure they did. Xbox evil. MS evil. hurrdurr. We get it.

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Jin_Sakai317d ago (Edited 317d ago )

Microsoft should’ve give them credit for making such a great game and greenlit their next title. Instead they did the complete opposite and sold them off. 🤦‍♂️

Obscure_Observer316d ago

It´s better than kill them off, like most publishers do.

__y2jb315d ago

You would defend literally anything Microsoft did wouldn't you? Literally anything.

robtion316d ago

I agree but to be fair Sony should have done the same thing with Ready at Dawn and The Order.

Jin_Sakai316d ago (Edited 316d ago )

“I agree but to be fair Sony should have done the same thing with Ready at Dawn and The Order.“

While The Order: 1886 had its fair share of fans it had no where near the reception that HI-FI Rush had.

The Order: 1886
Metascore - 63
User Score - 6.8

Hi-Fi Rush
Metascore - 87
User Score - 8.8

robtion316d ago

@Jin_Sakai Yes but The Order is a far better game. Interesting how meta scores don't always mean much.

I also think The Evil Within and its sequel were amazing games. Not surprised MS dropped Tango though. MS doesn't generally do well with Japanese devs.

Pepsi_Man3000315d ago

"The order is a far better game"

LMFAO

Zeref316d ago

They did give them credit. If it wasn't for Hi-Fi Rush they would have just closed them.

purple101317d ago

microsoft deserve to get ripped into, every single day, until they produce a string of 9/10, or 10/10 games, in a row,
just they like promised

darthv72317d ago

....you'd rather they end up like RAD? That could have happened. At least this way is better than the other.

Christopher317d ago

I'm not praising someone for doing what shouldn't have happened at all. This is the lesser of two evils solely because Microsoft put them in the position after creating banger games for them and lauding them for such games.

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Chevalier316d ago (Edited 316d ago )

Xbox deflecting shields engaged.

Here's something interesting Uncharted 1 first month sales were only 50,000 and Sony instead of bailing and canceling the series they nurtured it into a Blockbuster. Nintendo did the same nurturing Fire Emblem and Pokemon. So no let's not credit Xbox for anything of the sort. Xbox is short sited and have no clue about how to build up franchises from the ground up. They literally just buy games far in development or already have a built in fan base.

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Rematch is "chasing credibility" but not realism like rival EA FC

Pocket Tactics sits down with Rematch’s creative director, Pierre Tarno, to discuss why Sloclap moved away from Sifu to chase something new.

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Microsoft planning “major” Xbox layoffs next week

The cuts are expected to be announced next week.

Microsoft is also planning thousands of job cuts that will impact other parts of it businesses

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Obscure_Observer1d 20h ago

MFs has been beating their chests over great quarterly results and big profits to shareholders while firing people by the thousands just like Sony.

I wonder if at the top of those rumored layoffs they´ll also cancel upcoming or unannounced games while shutting down more studios as well.

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pwnmaster30001d 20h ago

Always got to throw shade at Sony smh.
Yes we get it,
MS good Sony bad
MS bad Sony is also bad lmao

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Obscure_Observer1d 19h ago

F* them both!

Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares.

Terry_B1d 19h ago

Yeah..its super annoying.

blacktiger1d 18h ago

He was talking about both. Why you getting offended when he's using both names

pwnmaster30001d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

@Blacktiger

Im not offended , that’s just his formula lol
He can’t help help himself, he needs to bring Sony down when the topic involves MS.
Whether is good news for MS or bad, it some how leads to Sony doing bad lmao.
It’s actually hilarious.

InUrFoxHole1d 13h ago

He's not wrong but im tracking what youre saying. In this case is should just be MS bad. Thats a lot of people fired

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Tacoboto1d 19h ago

"just like Sony"

Gosh you're insufferable, not everything needs to be both-sides'd. Sony's had layoffs, but nothing like what Microsoft has been doing and is continuing to do.

CrimsonWing691d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

I mean, no offense, but this is why you’re not some corporate business person running a major corporation. Big profits don’t mean jobs are safe. Do you understand why things like this happen:

Cutting jobs to maintain or increase profitability, especially in underperforming divisions like parts of Xbox like other gaming divisions.

Corporate restructuring and relocating resources for strategic stability in ever changing markets and consumer behaviors.

Investor expectations and optimizing operations to maintain investor confidence. Whatever boosts stock prices and improves future margins.

And there’s many other factors at play. It’s never as simple as business doing well, everyone’s safe. That’s just you not understanding at all how corporations work and have been working since the beginning. This isn’t something that’s specific to Xbox, you can bet your ass Sony and Nintendo do this and if it’s not clear by now, game development is not a stable job nor has it ever been for many. A lot of developers are contractors and guess what happens when a project is done?

Ganif1d 18h ago

Nintendo said they have no plans for layoffs, and you can't seriously claim that the scale of Sony's layoffs most of which involved Bungie which is self managed as even close to the same scale as what Microsoft has done since they purchased Zenimax. And that significantly less layoffs would have happened if those publishers had stayed independent. Keep in mind that much of these layoffs have been due to redundancies specifically related to these buyouts.

CrimsonWing691d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

@Ganif

Nintendo:

https://gamerant.com/ninten...

Sony:

https://gamerant.com/playst...

https://techxplore.com/news...

I don’t think it’s realistic to treat Sony’s layoffs as somehow outside the norm for the industry right now. Even if Bungie is self-managed, Sony’s cuts went far beyond that like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, London Studio being shut down completely, and multiple teams across the globe took hits. These weren’t just minor adjustments.

Nintendo, I had to look up and you’re right. They seem to be an outlier, but rest assured at some point it happens. And even then there’s been layoffs, albeit a smaller amount and contractors.

Would fewer layoffs have happened if studios from acquisitions stayed independent? Maybe. But even independents have been hit hard and look at what’s happened with Embracer’s fallout, or smaller devs like Digic, Roll7, or Volition. This isn’t just a “Microsoft problem” or strictly tied to acquisitions; it’s a broader correction happening across the whole industry, and unfortunately, layoffs are a big part of that process right now.

Ganif1d 17h ago

From your article:

"According to reports, Nintendo of America restructured its testing operations, leading to layoffs of about 120 contractors, part of a strategy for global integration.

Nintendo of America, publisher of iconic franchises like Mario and Zelda, is shifting some contractors to full-time roles for better development integration."

Contractors are not employees, and even if you want to count them as that, it's 120 people vs around 7500 since Microsoft purchased Zenimax.

In an era of game industry layoffs, Nintendo is hiring more people
https://automaton-media.com...

Nintendo Announces 10 Percent Pay Raise For Devs Despite Lower Profits
https://kotaku.com/nintendo...

Nintendo CEO’s refusal to layoff staff goes viral following industry-wide cuts
"Satoru Iwata took pay cuts to ensure staff didn’t have to be let go"
https://www.nme.com/news/ga...

And as for Sony you're comparing less than 1000 total jobs to an estimated7500

Has the industry faced layoffs, yes, but that still doesn't account for the mass layoffs due to redundancies that was easily predictable, or that fact that at least 1/3 of Microsoft's layoffs and studio closures happened before the industry downturn.

thorstein1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

Take the L, Crimson.

People hate Nintendo, but Ganif proved why they deserve support.

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-Foxtrot1d 19h ago

It's like banging your head off a wall, he just can't help himself.

Microsoft can do no wrong, Sony sucks at everything and Nintendo is bigged up because it's less hassle than trying to defend Microsoft all the time

What's going to happen when Microsoft finally turn completely third party, then what?

anast1d 18h ago

I enjoy Obscure. Obscure does good work.

crazyCoconuts1d 18h ago

Did you know that the first n4g was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.

Tacoboto1d 18h ago

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if anast and osbcure were both alts for the Admin.

We know how Obscure especially drums up additional comments and clicks with his spam-worthy remarks that somehow never get moderated

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Profchaos1d 15h ago

Thats business present a strong front to your shareholders while your company burns around you.

Keep shareholders happy at all costs andnif not happy keep them numb to the reality of you organisation

Angyobangyo1d 6h ago

" Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares. "

Just for the record, you clearly you do if you have to vent this hard.

TheExecutioner1d 3h ago

Basically you think like kids when it come to choose between candy or chocolate.

Sonic18811d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

Are you and Anast the same person?

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Sony Faces Class Action in the Netherlands Over Allegedly Inflated PlayStation Store Prices

Mass Damage & Consumer Foundation in the Netherlands has filed a class action against Sony for inflating PlayStation Store prices.

dveio1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

My personal opinion:

Manufacturers and publishers have indeed inflated the industry.

From $700 million development costs for games like Call of Duty, to digital (store) prices for games and DLCs, online multiplayer fees on consoles (why can you play Helldivers 2 online for free on PC but not consoles?) or still preventing sell/lend digitally purchased games.

Sometime in the future, this bubble will collapse.

They should know better, but they just can't help themselves and suck even the last penny out of our wallets.

BeHunted1d 16h ago

Because Sony knows people will be forced to pay those prices for single player and multiplayer games, not everyone prefers PC gaming. Sony also has a monopoly on PlayStation digital games. In 2019, they stopped allowing retailers and game key sellers to sell PlayStation digital games, making them available only through the official PlayStation Store

anast1d 18h ago

The Dutch gov. wants a piece of the pie.

Eonjay1d 18h ago

They should be suing the individual publishers increasing the prices to $80 instead of suing the store. There are plenty of publishers still selling game for like $50 with much success (like E33). But this proves that the publishers are the ones setting the prices.... so again nothing changes because they aren't even going after the main offender. How is suing Sony going to make Microsoft not charge $80 for the next COD? Sony being the number one store in the market doesn't mean that publisher have to charge us an arm and a leg. Again the industry is laughing at us because consumers never get real representation. Just these fake platitudes that are meaningless.

BeHunted1d 16h ago

"How is suing Sony going to make Microsoft not charge $80 for the next COD"

Because Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly, I can purchase Call of Duty at a huge discount from CDKeys or other gaming retailers. The only way to purchase digital PlayStation games is through the PlayStation Store.

djl34851d 15h ago

Weird, I swore GoW, Stellar Blade, Horizon Zero Dawn, TLoU, etc. were on the steam store....uh.....

BeHunted1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

@djI3485

I'm talking about PlayStation games that you can only purchase on PlayStation. I can purchase Steam and Epic games from 3rd party retailers and key stores.

"Sony to stop selling full-game download codes at retailers"

https://www.videogamer.com/...

Killer2020UK1d 16h ago

About time. There is zero fair reason why digitally distributed products that you cannot recoup any value when you want to dispose of them, should be priced higher than that of physical copies that entail all of the costs and the benefits of owning.

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