The Dragon's Dogma 2 Fiasco Shows Anything Remotely Microtransactions Is PTSD

Hanzala from eXputer: "Dragon's Dogma 2 is a superb game; unfortunately a victim of a misunderstanding stemming from people's extreme hate for microtransactions."

[isarai]

In a way it's good, shows how much we want change. This really was a mountain out of a molehill situation tho, especially since ive heard you can only buy each item once. Does that nullify it completely? No it's still dumb, just not as dumb as the reactions

[just_looken]

This aswell as the fact we never got a version without the microtracactuions.

When you build from the ground up to incentivize buiying mt's there is also cuts and or grind walls added who knows just how much better the game would have been without them in the devs mind through out the entire dev cycle.

[isarai]

I agree, but I don't see grindwalls here. Ive put over 100hrs into DG1 and the same items are no harder to obtain, in fact money in general is far easier to make. Like 5hrs in and i had like 40k. People are mentioning that wakestone are hard to gets but they were just as hard to come by in the 1st game.

[just_looken]

@is

The first game got the mt patch/treatment so you comparing the same stews :)

[anast]

If they are nonexistent, then how do they exist? Why would a company invest in micros if they aren't a part of the game?

[Vithar]

it costs Capcom litterally 0$, items already exist in game.
the ONLY way to combat this is not buy, if no one buys, they will stop
unfortunately there's tons on people who don't give a shit and buy that up

[anast]

Capcom didn't have to code them into the game...How did they get there? Can I add micros to this message free of cost?

[Christopher]

I tried having this conversation with some people and they are adamant that if they're optional they're fine. I believe that if it's not a problem, then why do they exist to begin with? If it's not an issue, then not having them is the same as having them, meaning that having them is extra work for something unnecessary.

None of the logic of "it's optional so it doesn't matter" makes sense since something had to be designed to account for people wanting to spend extra money versus them just designing a game that accounted for this need to begin with. It's not cosmetics, either, it's actual in-game capabilities.

The absolute only one I agree with is the custom sounds one. The rest? That should be designed into the game and not made difficult to do that people would feel like they need to spend money to do it.

[anast]

I couldn't agree more.

[ModsDoBetter]

"Victim of misunderstanding"
My god, Capcom pay handsomely, eh?

I typically like Capcom but their "pay to not play" microtransactions seem to be coming into all of their titles.

DMC5 with orbs.

All recent Resi games. You can literally buy weapon upgrades with real world money in RE4.

SF6.

Dragons Dogma 2, where the save system is a good/bad feature BUT for convenience, if you die - spend 0.75p to resurrect.

It's a joke and clearly they've hindered in game earnings to push MTs. I've had 2 wakestones in my 20hrs so far....2.

The fact it only came out about MTs AFTER reviews is scummy as well, regardless how it is spun.

[Friendlygamer]

Just youtubers manipulating the masses to generate revenue

[lellkay]

Couldn't these things just be cheat codes?

[just_looken]

Shh this is not a ps1/ps2/xbox/ps3/sega/nes/snes /n64/gameboy/gamegear/psp

The advanced tech of cheat codes locked 30fps offline gaming non borken games great mp and a game that is made by devs pushing tech with passion for what they want is long gone remember.

up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A and Start

[Christopher]

But if we give you something for free we won't make more money off of you.

[CrimsonWing69]

There’s definitely some weird mental gymnastics we do to justify these things. Monster Hunter World is Capcom’s best selling title of all time and an incredible title, rightfully so. It has micros up the yin yang and not once did I see an outcry, instead I saw so much praise for the game.

I keep bringing this up because it’s relatively new, but Helldivers 2 has them and is a GaaS game, yet that gets praised and many people even justify the micros because the game is $40 when you can AND people have bought the large packs exceeding $100 spent in total on the game and those are consumables.

I’m at the point that this is the industry now where these exist and I just don’t spend a single cent on them and I also don’t piss and moan about them UNLESS it’s something so egregious and predatory… which I’ve yet to experience. Mobile games like Ever Crisis is where I cry about it and just completely drop the game because it’s like pulling teeth to make progress.

The truth of DD2 is there was massive misinformation spread out and people went full r*tard with mob mentality. Fighting cowboy made an excellent video with full transparency showing exactly how optional these micros are and what a non-issue they are.

It’s absurd the knee-jerk reaction when the term “micro-trabsactions” gets dropped. People need to put down the torches and pitch forks, educate themselves on them, and if they’re a nothing burger then move on with their life.

[Armyofdarkness]

Well said!

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

None of the microtransactions in Monster Hunter World had any effect on gameplay - they were all cosmetic options. Combine that with free updates to the game as well as no ingame advertisements for MTXs and you'll see why players didn't complain. Compare that with Dragon's Dogma 2 where all the MTXs are gameplay items and you'll see why people are rightfully upset.

People defending Dragon's Dogma 2 MTXs because they are "easy to get" fail to grasp that Capcom is selling players a pack of "easy to get" items for $15.

[CrimsonWing69]

No there’s nothing to be upset about. These are no different than what was in RE4 Remake or DMC V and you’re wrong about Monster Hunter, if you wanted to edit your character guess what you needed to buy? I’ll give you a hint it’s called a Character Edit Voucher… hmmm, at least in DD2 you can get those on the cheap for 500RC. How do you get them in Monster Hunter World?

So, again what this is is a nothing burger. Much like being able to farm red orbs in DMC V or farm money in RE4 Remake you can do the same for these items in game and very easily. There is literally no “right” to be upset. It’s so ridiculous.

You really want to take it to the next level, where is all this when Monster Hunter Rise came out? Oh, I’ll let you Google those and get back to me here.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

"How do you get them in Monster Hunter World?"

You can get them free and if you still cannot make up your mind about the gender/race of your character after using your free voucher, then you can buy more. You can edit your character's hair, facial hair, makeup, and clothing for free without using a voucher.

None of these have anything do with gameplay, unlike the MTXs that you are defending.

[CrimsonWing69]

“The free-of-charge way lets you change only limited aspects of your character, so you'll want to make sure you get your first character creation in chargen right. Once you've gone past and seen the opening events of Monster Hunter World, you'll have to pay to get a fresh character design without starting over.

You can, however, change your character appearance in full with a handy Character Appearance Change Ticket, aka the Hunter's Grooming Ticket - but you'll have to buy that ticket. More on that in a moment...”

https://www.rpgsite.net/fea...

Yea, ok.

Hey, for sh*ts and giggles did you look up Monster Hunter Rises micros?

[Smellsforfree]

I see overwhelming support for cosmetic microtransactions in the gaming community. Sure, some still hate on it (like me, hehe) but I wouldn't call it "extreme hate". The problem here is the predatory nature of these ones in DD that target specific game play mechanics that lead to better QoL. I loved RE4:Remake but the microtransactions Capcom put in it were scummy just like they are here.

Unfortunately the bean counters have determined these scummy microtransactions are profitable. Not enough people are put off from buying the game to make up for the absurd amount of you buying these scummy microtransactions.

[victorMaje]

If those we consider "stupid enough" to buy these microtransactions actually start doing it, then the devs have a reason to make the mts, for them.

If the devs now have a reason to add the microtransactions, they will. Once they do, the games they make will not be made for you anymore but for those we called "stupid enough" to buy the mts.

Then what do you think your favorite single player genres/franchises will look like?

[DustMan]

MTX Have become so rampant in modern JRPG's it's gross, some with hundreds in DLC. I wish this was mentioned more because they seem the most egregious. Literally the most single player a genre could be, and it's flooded. Even if it's simply cosmetic it creates a feeling of FOMO. I always wait to buy "complete editions" and these days they are anything but. Larian has set a good example of how a game can be incredibly successful & profitable when a group actually appeals to what gamers want...a complete experience from day one.