Microsoft's Horrible Windows 7 Dilemma

Techworldwide writes:

It's not a Windows Vista killer - Windows Vista fulfils that role quite well enough, thank you. But it's hard to know how excited Microsoft itself is about Windows 7.

[TrevorPhillips]

not really excited still staying on XP

[morganfell]

Same here. I bought Vista Ultimate. I won't get sucked into that lie again. Linux FTW.

[Bnet343]

lol you bought Windows Vista? I feel sorry for you.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

Many people complain about Vista without giving significant reason. My experience with Vista is that it is a little slow, but a lot of the GUI improvement are significantly better than XP. It just has a lot of processes running in the background, but if I need something and don't know where to find it, using Vista I have found it much faster. I ran it on a AMD Ahtlon X2 3800+ with 8GB of RAM where only 3GB was visible to Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit. I will be upgrading to 64-bit when my order arrives.

morganfell, what is it that you dont like about Vista? I'm really curious as I find Linux a pain to use when I want to configure some piece of software.

[LoveWaffles]

hey Im actually d/l ubuntu right now I was just curious if you have any tips for some1 new to linux. I hear that finding drivers are a pain in the butt but I'm sure I will survive

[TheIneffableBob]

Well, have fun with that 8 year old operating system.

[ultimolu]

Amen.

My uncle tries to use a Resgitry Cleaner that I have on my PC with Vista and all his files/programs vanished. Real nasty. :/

[evrfighter]

I just installed 7 beta today and it uses about 400-500mb of ram with aero on. On vista I was using around 800mb of ram with aero on. not too shabby for a freakin beta. That's pretty damn close to how much ram xp uses.

[morganfell]

I wish I had the time and space to detail all of the issues with Vista. Everything from small matters such as Windows Media Player not working because it keeps starting in the background and so you have to hit ALT CTRL DEL and close it out in the Task Manager before you can start it - BTW - it's a massive issue and MS has no solution. Just Google Windows Media Player not starting and look at the hits. I contacted MS and they are aware of it - and would only admit it after I requested a supervisor. But had no solution.

How about everyone experiencing one single system file (which you can't delete) that keeps growing. In 4 months mine had swelled to over 20GB. MS has no solution.

Constant hangs, issues with copying a single file, etc etc. When the first solution to that came out MS made you jump through hoops to get the secret solution.

I love Ubuntu. My suggestions are learn to use the the Applications menu at the top left of Ubuntu. Click on that and go down and click Add and Remove at the bottom. When the applet pops up make sure All Applications is in the Show section. This is your best friend. From here anything not already installed in Ubuntu you can find here. For example, need XVID? Search here and let Ubuntu give you the codecs. Guess what? Once installed Ubuntu will always let you know when there are updates, get them for you, install them, and manage them.

That's true for anything you can think of. You don't install something in Ubuntu then have to fight it yourself. Ubuntu will manage it.

Linux used to be a command line program. You can still do that if you want. But now there are Guis. slick ones that work neat and fast for just about anything. Want a firewall? Let Ubuntu supply one. All for free. And I mean fast.

The basic installation of Ubuntu took me less than 10 minutes for everything. You get Open Office - I own Office 2007 Professional and I prefer this. And the default browser is Firefox. Once Ubuntu was loaded I had to run 1 update. It downloaded and installed the updates in less than 5 minutes. All other drivers installed automatically except the newest video driver which Ubuntu linked me to. And by linked I mean I didn't have to go to Nvidia's page. Ubuntu popped up the latest 3 versions and let me choose. You could still go to that manufacturer's homepage if you want but it isn't necessary. This isn't Windows. It's Unix.

Learn the other 2 major sections at the top - Places and System. Everything you need is there. No going and digging for a control panel.

Finding drivers for me has not been a pain at all. As I said, Ubuntu selected for me the only driver I had to get outside the basic installation - the one for my GeForce 9800 GX2 1GB card. And there is a Linux driver. Most of using Linux is getting used to new terminology. A lot of times people give you command line entries but I haven't needed that. Not one time. All of it is GUI driven. And free, baby free. If you have any questions about Ubuntu, such as how to do something PM me and I will help. All of the virus issues I had with Windows? Bye bye. I still keep an install of XP for some games but my system by default boots into Ubuntu - which I am using right now. If you need help changing the default boot let me know.

And 8 year old operating system? Have fun with your virus ridden crackaholic Microsoft money pit.

[Proxy]

I like using Ubuntu, I duel boot both Ubuntu and Vista64 on both my computers. On both computers Vista starts faster, yes, Vista starts faster. If you invest 20 dollars in ram, you'll have plenty to run Vista. Yes, 20 dollars!

As morgan said, Linux uses the command line for a lot of things. He said he's not aware of anything that can't be done through the GUI, but there are a lot of things. For example, the add/remove programs only lists a small portion of the programs in the Ubuntu repositories. Keeping the command line in full control actually keeps the OS more pure and under USER control rater than developer control.

Also morgan, might I suggest using Ubuntu to delete the unusually large Windows file? Ubuntu can delete fat32 or ntsf files, and it wont deny you access like Windows will.

[morganfell]

Command lines are not really needed by the user in Ubuntu. Those that still use them do not have the latest GUIs. Administrators are a different matter and will need these. I agree about user control but Unix GUIs are more streamlined than Windows versions and are simply entry storage devices for command line functions.

You cannot delete the WinSXS folder. It isn't a matter of the system allowing it. Rather it's a matter of your system going bye bye if you do. This crap started in ME with the idea of modularization. I have seen reports of these folders swelling to over 90GB.

[FantasyStar]

You just slammed my head with you wall of text. Like Tetris Slam! But I did read everything and I agree. Although, I wouldn't use Ubuntu....

Mandriva 4 life! Also according to Microsoft, ME doesn't exist.

[moja]

@1.4

Linux drivers aren't really an issue anymore, unless you have special hardware. The distros nowadays are pretty good at Plug and Play. Just be sure to download/activate the nVidia/ATI driver for your card for all the desktop effects. I've been using Ubuntu extensively for the past several months, and after compiling my own kernel I feel pretty comfortable doing most everything. You just have to get used to the little quirks and ways of doing things and you'll really appreciate and open system. Have fun, don't give up easily and you'll be rewarded.

[likedamaster]

I stopped using XP since Vista arrived. I had minor problems with Vista Ultimate 64-bit but ALL are resolved till recently when iTunes was finally compatible with x64 systems. Something is not compatible in your Vista OS, just run it xp-compatible mode it's in there.

Windows 7 is touted for being faster and more efficient than both XP and Vista. So far it's been true, everything even games are more responsive I'm yet to run a benchmark on it myself but I will soon. I'm also writing you from the Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit Beta OS. It's very pretty and fast. Just sharing my thoughts on Windows 7.

http://www.teamteabag.com/2...

[f789790]

I'm still on XP and I'll convert to Windows 7 once it comes out. I also will not get lured in with useless features and buy an expensive copy of nothing.

[N4g_null]

Development wise it's been pretty good. I have a core quad and 8 gigs of ram on ultimate vista64. I've yet to have it crash do you have a hacked copy?

Hell I've been turning every thing silly on like animated backgrounds for the desktop while running CS4 after effects LOL... Still runs great crazy huh? The IIS is great also you can get VWD also so far I'm having fun no problems here.

[Sangria]

As Microsoft floods the market with Vista-equipped laptops (and will probably do the same thing with Windows 7), i will buy a MacBook (when i'll get rich).

[daveoftheproject]

just got mine earlier this week and it is so much better than any pc laptops i have used. only got the basic 2.1ghz white one because the new aluminium one lacks firewire, spent £30 to get 4gb of ram, installed it myself and now it is awesomely fast :)

i'm loving os x too, highly recommended

[moja]

I'd just as soon cleanse my laptop with a fresh install of linux and save all that money for more hardware I can choose.

[TrevorPhillips]

my brother has windows vista on his computer but i just dont like it i dont know y tho

[GiantEnemyLobster]

The next greatest thing, EXCLUSIVELY from Microsoft.

[Helghast Slayer]

Says the dumb bot lol.

*who let the lobster out*

clump...clump...clump clump

[Uneducated Loser]

I love how the website was built with Microsoft technology. (its ASP .NET before any of you douche bags hit the disagree)

Everyone here "hates" MS but continues to support them with this site. :)

And if you run a port scan on the moron above you can tell he is running Windows

[GiantEnemyLobster]

1.1 just got owned

[SixAmpFuze]

Ive been reading and hearing nothing but good things about windows 7.I have a xp and vista pc's i prefer xp but t my vista machines runs great. The system requirements for vista are too much but the OS itself is wonderful

[dkgshiz]

Your a tool if you actually bought it. Seems like Vista is getting the boot. Windows 7 is already around the corner. Vista is a chapter in MS life they would rather not think about. Vista=Windows ME. Its the OS no one likes.

[likedamaster]

"" Vista=Windows ME. Its the OS no one likes ""

Well, I would agree except nothing before or after it crashed like Windows ME did. I have a Windows ME pc, I run XP on it and have no problems now ( the only machine I have that runs it only because it's the only machine that refuses to install Vista).

I have 4 pc's running Vista Ultimate from low-end to High-end. One running Vista Ultimate with 512mb Ram the other 1gb Ram both running perfectly. I have another with 2gb Ram, pentium 4 running Ultimate with no crashes till this day. And my personal favorite, a computer with 8gb Ram Core 2 Quad processor running a dual-boot Vista Ultimate 64bit and Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit setup that crashed for the 1st time in years (before I installed Win7) having thrown everything at it.

[xwabbit]

Windows vista sucks, even with the updates

[Lord Anubis]

Even with the SP1 it still crashes occasionally. I leave my computer running all the time but still some of its features stop responding and consequently are stopped and restarted by vista. Perhaps people don't notice but that could be happening to people but they just don't notice it.

[Proxy]

This is about as deep and detailed as the Vista complaints get. Not many good and specific complaints against it.

[TrevorPhillips]

i agree i dont like it either just doesnt feel right

[Skynetone]

always have problems with it finding a wireless internet connection even though it says connected down on the bottom right

annoying pop.ups asking me do i want to run this program, with no options to remember, f++ing annoying

system restore never f++king works ive used it like 3 times and each time it said failed to restore, with no explanation

boot up time is over two minutes long, WTF

I RARELY USE MY BRAND NEW PC, AND STICK TO MY 7 YEAR OLD XP MACHINE WHICH HAS NONE OF THE ABOVE PROBLEMS

[Proxy]

1. How do you know the wireless issues are related to Vista? Could be hardware, could be a weak signal. I don't have any wireless problems with Vista.

2. You can turn off the pop ups.

3. I don't know much about system restore, but how many times have you used the system restore on the much praised Windows XP? Also, what are you doing to warrant a system restore in the first place?

4. Boot up time sounds suspiciously wrong. On both my computers (both which duel boot Ubuntu and Vista) Vista always starts faster than everything else.

It's possible that their are other factors to blame rather than just Vista.

[Skynetone]

Yes it could be a bad signal but why does it say im connected, i have to press the home button on internet explorer about 20 times before it starts working, and then it works perfect once google page is found. half the time it works perfect first time

yes i know about turning off the pop ups and im sure half the world has it turnrd off, but why cant it remember what programs i use, i mean every firewall remembers your settings

as for system restore i use it all the time on my win xp, why do i use it, lets say i was looking for a good dj program, i would download say six of the best trial versions, test them out and if i didnt like any of them i would do a system restore, and my registry is back to clean. not a million added entries due to the bad add and remove what win xp has, after the system restore i would go to my c drive programs and delete the remains of the programs what even system restore dos'nt delete,

yes my friends laptop has vista and it loads just as quick as xp but my brand new pc takes two minutes to load and i dont even have a login screen, its vista ultimate and your just going to have to believe me on this one, i plan a cup of tea around starting this puppy

[The Lazy One]

is actually one thing windows vista is head and shoulders above XP in.

Windows 7 is faster than XP in it's beta right now, and maintains a lot of the features of vista. As long as they aren't d!ks about the pricing towards people who did upgrade to vista, it could be the next great OS.

[moja]

Sounds like a router configuration issue. I had the same problem at first when I installed a new one, but figured out what I did wrong (emphasis on I) and it works flawlessly. As for system restore, I've never had to use it with my computing habits. I am guessing you left all the bloatware that comes with a new computer. Get someone to overhaul your system and you'll be much happier, I promise.

[gamfreak]

another fail product from the already fail company....

[LordZ]

Windows 7 = Vista+Servicepack3+Addons.

i rest my case

Microsoft lately is being known for rush all his products.

[Ji]

Windows 7 is amazing, I think it will be accepted well, and will replace xp, xp is just getting on now, and Windows 7 can out perform it so it might become a favorite for everyone like xp did.

[UltimateIdiot911]

I agree, Vista is okay but Window 7 is a lot better. To me, Vista is nothing more than a place holder OS just like ME. I hated ME, if you can live and use ME, Vista is a walk in the park. So far, I like what I see in the beta except the taskbar and the ribbon design.

Performance is just as good as XP or even better on 7. Battery life has definitely improved on my laptop compare to Vista.

[Rhythmattic]

Your probably right LObStER.

The next greatest "THING" is possibly not the next greatest "EXCLUSIVE" OS.

[Amplitude]

Exclusive as in - I can still run it on my mac? Yup.

hmmm... Kind of reminds me of their "exclusive" games... :p

[Tony P]

When you think back to how MS basically tried to foist Vista on the public through basic fraud ('Vista capable' anyone?), you can understand why they wouldn't jump in our faces over this one. As if we suddenly trust them implicitly.

Good news is without the big hype it's easier to see W7 for its actual merits.

[dredgewalker]

I am happy with my xp and i would abandon pc gaming if all the games were to stop supporting it and would require Vista. I hope to God that MS release Windows 7 without too many bugs that a good patch could fix. If only all games would also work on a Mac or Linux then MS would be very careful in releasing their os. This is why i hate it when a company monopolizes something.

[Knightofelemia]

I own a pc that uses XP and i would not have it anyother way and My laptop is a Mac. And if this windows 7 turns out to be a crawk like Vista then the PC is being upgraded to another Mac and honestly there is nothing wrong with a Mac i don't play games on the computer so I am happy.

[Darkseider]

Linux/BSD, etc... have been the only operating systems I have used in the past 18 years. I have tried Windows from 3.10 all the way to the Windows 7 Beta and I find them all to be counter intuitive and counter productive. All MS operating systems have a habit of "knowing" whats best for the end user and won't allow any other option unless you apply reg hacks, etc... This I find unacceptable and intolerable. Not only that but Windows inherent insecurities due to the dependence of Internet Explorer and Active X make it a laughing stock and target for attacks. Lastly, there is the largest single point of failure in the windows OS AKA the Registry.

[jack who]

so um what was this story about?

[CryofSilence]

This isn't an article. Why on earth was it approved?

[Lord Xire]

Is really good on my comp.

6GB Tri-Channel DDR3 at 1066MHZ (3x2GB DIMM)

Intel® Core™ i7-965 Extreme << Dunno WTF that is....

750GB - SATA-II, 3GB/S, 7200RPM, 16MB Cache

nVidia GeForce GTX280 1024MB

Today was my first day playing Crysis btw in 2048x1538 running at good 40-50fps it made me cry...I also played Half Life 2 in a total different aspect....the source engine is crazy.

Off topic i know.

[likedamaster]

Ahhh... playing Crysis the way it was meant to be played. Nice!

[CryofSilence]

I want money to build a rig like that. :( *envy*

[yojoe26]

reading all of these highly intelligent posts makes me feel.....stupid. :(

PSN Frodo25

[paul-p1988]

All the people that converted to Linux/Mac aint gonna come back, meaning less people are gonna willing get Windows 7 (and by willing i mean go to the shop and buy it, not be forced to have it on a new PC).

im very happy to be on Linux, it works how it should, all the options i need are easy to find (unlike EVERYTHING being hidden in Vista and i can assume its the same for 7), and it runs a whole lot smoother and more secure than Windows ever could :)