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Forza Motorsport vs Gran Turismo 7 Graphics, Physics, and FPS Comparison

We put Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo 7 through their paces as we dive deep into the graphics, and physical effects a player will feel on a direct drive wheel, and do some FPS testing on each. Both games were tested across several different tracks with various lighting and weather conditions. We also talked to real-world driver Super GT about his opinion on how the game feels to drive on a Fanatec steering wheel out of the gate while also asking for some tips to improve. Forza Motorsport vs Gran Turismo 7 framerate is also tested, but I think the results may be surprising to some.

Jin_Sakai287d ago (Edited 287d ago )

Rain and trees are better in Forza, car paint and lighting go to GT7. Forza also has a much better sense of speed. Polyphony need to do a better job in that area.

mandf287d ago (Edited 287d ago )

Arcade vs sim. That is why the sense of speed is different

Obscure_Observer287d ago

"That is why the sense of speed is different"

Nice try, but the reality is that sense of speed in Gran Turismo compared to FM is just bad. Not to mention the chase cam that´s is just awful. The stiff car looks like a photoshoped image slapped in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

LordoftheCritics287d ago

Forza is a superior experience.

I barely touch GT

darthv72287d ago

Horizon = Arcade
Motorsport = Sim (lite)

Gamingsince1981287d ago

Yeah it's good to see GT still the king, imagine that lol. Poor xbox can't win anything but court cases for monopolies.

Babadook7286d ago

Waiting for the big DF comparison. Spoiler alert; GT takes pole.

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babadivad286d ago

If Forza is an arcade racer then so is GT.

IRetrouk286d ago (Edited 286d ago )

Stop using doctored, cherry picked footage obscure it's embarrassing now😳
What's worse is your having to do this to an almost 2 year old cross gen game to try and get some sort of win for the "built from the ground up" greatest racer ever, next gen only release, you overhyped another ms game, and they released another buggy arcade game, with more cuts than a Kardashian, I've had enough of it already after 5 hours, how much have you played of either game?

peppeaccardo286d ago

FORZA is GARBAGE using a steering wheel.
Please check this Video Out: https://www.youtube.com/wat...
This game is not a 10/10 as everybody wants you to believe it is.
If you use a controller then it is another story.

VariantAEC282d ago

@Babadook7
I don't think DF will be objective on this one. If they give GT7 the credit it deserves and say it is number 1, I would honestly be taken aback a bit.

For the time being some Taiwanese dude has been doing the heavy lifting for DF.
https://youtu.be/Cu1pj1aKPn...
Just look at the trainwreck that FM23's graphics actually are... and it's not just the cars, but also the tracks and even those trees.

6 years... of what? Really. Let's not forget that IGN failed to mention any of FM23's bugs. Weird. Right now MS is likely paying reviewers to slant things and the trolls in the comments are still arguing there is some kind of anti-Xbox lean in the mainstream gaming press. It's all repugnant.

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Obscure_Observer287d ago

Car paint I agree, but lighting? GT7 can´t come close, Dustin commented about Sony´s weird choices regarding that feature.

GT7 is great, don´t get me wrong, but Forza Motorsport is just the superior racer overall.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

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CML2287d ago

Has a lower Metacritic average than GT7 though. 🤔

z2g287d ago (Edited 287d ago )

it has a lower metacritic score by 2 points... but 15 more points you can assume is playstation bias.

Also this is the truth. I am an AVID race fan. I play iRacing on full blown sims and on a home PC. I play GT7 on PS5 and Forza MS on Series X (and I dabble a bit in real life with an e46 m3).

If you are playing Forza MS with a controller, yes there is a bit of pad on the sim. That being said, Forza MS is in fact a sim. Previous Forza games have dialed the sim back a hair from GT but it's still a sim.

Now then, THIS Forza MS is a whole rebuilt, rebooted game. It only has that pad on the controller now. If you upgrade to a good wheel like a Logitech G or a Fanatec, this is where things get different. You have a whole suite of sim options. You can control thing like road scale, feedback forces, steering, braking and a whole bunch more. The higher you make these values the more realistic the sim gets. Out of the box these settings are very low so it's a bit more forgiving than GT7. With proper adjustments I'd argue it's BETTER than GT7 - I assume this is bc it has more contact points per wheel.

FORZA MS is just a better game overall. That doesn't mean GT7 sucks. I love GT7, but the Forza MS is just better. And in regards to reviews, there truly is always a bit of a bias towards Xbox. but considering that out of 72 metacritic reviews FMS is sitting at 85, and gt7 is at 87... and then you watch this video, I think you get what I'm saying.

Hypertension140287d ago (Edited 287d ago )

@Obscure

This is the video I was talking about in my last post, the guy is a huge Xbox fanboy he will do anything to make Forza look better. Notice how he didn't even talk about the car models because he knows GT7 is a generation ahead and the fact that he's comparing the 30fps mode and how poor the textures are.

Look at channels like MotogamesTV or Calem MrNazreenn for a more fair comparison, they try to match all settings to make them as close as possible.

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Nacho_Z286d ago

I wouldn't say Forza was the better game overall but to be fair for me it's prettier. I like the lighting and effects more than GT7s and the sense of speed is greater.

It's like comparing FIFA and PES, FIFA has all the flashy presentation but a bit lacking on the gameplay and PES is weak on the presentation but has the gameplay depth to make up for it. Matter of preference.

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PrinceOfAnger287d ago (Edited 287d ago )

I am having so much fun with the game it has far better gameplay and car control than FM7 Imo, the Ray tracing reflections and RT AO in game play give the game a beautiful look lighting is gorgeous at night!

From df
"Definitely one of the better looking racing games in recent memory"

this entry is a substantial upgrade over Forza Motorsport 7, with much better lighting, greatly improved PBR materials, high fidelity foliage and more accurate reflections.

MEGANE286d ago

Witch is 80% of xbox owners, so most Forza players get an inferior version of an inferior game.

badz149287d ago (Edited 287d ago )

Most probably not RT but rather SSR.

LOL this has been proven by DF too. Nice try! Oh and don't forget car models from the 360 generation!

PrinceOfAnger286d ago

The game has RTAO and ray-tracing reflection on cars

DF
SSR on wet tracks, and Ray tracing on car bodies "
- Ray tracing also used in some limited track side objects in Quality mode."

try again it's like you are saying the game doesn't have ray tracing in game at all like GT7 with it's 2D trees crowd lol.

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Turn 10 has clearly calibrated the game around hitting high frame-rates consistently on console hardware, and to achieve 60fps gameplay with two RT effects on Series X is a bit of an accomplishment."

"it's clear that Forza Motorsport is an impressive-looking racing game. There are intricate car models, detailed and well-lit tracks, with ray-traced reflections."

VariantAEC282d ago

@PrinceOfAnger
Driveclub used SSR on everything and managed to also include it on car bodies. Go back and look at footage of opponents passing eachother... oh, what's that? They show up in reflections on body paintwork! That was on PS4 without modern raytracing. SSR is technically a form of RT, but it gets complicated especially as most see raytracing in SSR and modern GPU accelerated raytracing as completely differently due to Nvidia's misuse of the terminology.

Raycasting, raymarching, raytracing, and pathtracing what even is the difference? Not much in all actuality, and Driveclub uses two of those techniques. Fully volumetric raymarched clouds and raycasting into screen-space for both glossy and diffuse surfaces, which is more than what FM23 does. Driveclub also manages some form of AO that functions like more expensive HBAO and realtime GI, which is handled via dynamic probe lighting (and is extremely expensive to the point that, realtime RT is actually a time saver in terms of classical rasterized rendering on GPUs).

GT7 is not as visually accomplished as Driveclub either (despite running in a native 4K at 60FPS without RT and 4K30 with RT). That said, Forza Motorsport 23 falls well short of GT7 on PS4 visually speaking and even in terms of.output resolutions XSX is still looking a bit weak next to GT7 on PS4 Pro. Turn 10 also, just seemed to discover refraction and even so rear reflection and refraction isn't being handled well on anything in FM23. GT7 HID headlights are absolutely beautiful (lit or unlit) and FM23 can't touch the accuracy of GT7's shader quality not just on headlights, but that extends all materials. FM23 just looks wrong.

Then we have this: https://youtu.be/Cu1pj1aKPn...
Seriously, who looks at FM23 as realistic when at no point and in no area does it actually look closer to reality. GT7 in these comparisons with real life, sweeps the chimny with FM23, then throws it in the dumpster. That is putting things nicely, F123 looks more realistic than FM23.

What did turn 10 do with that 6 years? Pick each others noses?

VariantAEC282d ago

https://youtu.be/Cu1pj1aKPn...
The above comparison looks at FM23 car models. And also tracks which includes real world images for comparison. GT7 vs real life vs FM23. Which one wins... real life of course... but of the two games GT7, obviously. Don't think so?

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purple101287d ago

See how when you corner in Forza the back end slips out immediately, yeah that doesn't happen in real life.

You need to increase throttle… drastically, or give it the 'scandi flick' for that to happen.

SICKINDIVIDUAL287d ago

When you upgrade the exhaust in Forza the car sounds EXACTLY the same.

It's the little things for me.

badz149287d ago

And the sim element is so real to life, your car keeps being upgraded the more you drive it it's crazy that car manufacturers have all hide this awesome feature from all of us all this time just so they can sell us new cars! My MPV is now clocked at over 180k km, I should be the king of the Nurburgring by now!

kingPoS273d ago

Yeah.. I can attest to that. In GT7 It's particularly noticeable in one make races. Most cpu opponents would be naturally aspirated, some might be super charged or turbo charged. But when it comes to the muffler notes themselves, they're as distinct as they are varied.

Gateway MT6706 2008

FPS_D3TH287d ago

So that depends entirely on whether the car is RWD, FWD or AWD. You would only Scandinavian flick an under steering FWD car. Losing grip around corners in a RWD car is in fact very real lmfaoo

purple101287d ago (Edited 287d ago )

I get what you say

However consider scandi flicking only really works on rear wheel drive cars unless it's ken block driving. He'll, try it on a Toyota Yaris next time your out.. ha

This is because the weight is in the front, with nothing weighing down the back end.

The drive shaft and rear axle weighs more in a rear wheel drive car, enabling this

Whatever, what I'm actually saying is this phenomenon is over exaggerated on this Forza, whether that's fwd rwd or awd.

When you turn a FRONT wheel drive honda civic, the back end does not immediately slide out like it's shown in these videos recently. The physics are not correct.

Anyway I'm gonna do my very best to stop defending or bashing one game or another when that doesn't need to happen.

"Only a lie needs defending, the truth speaks for itself"

sagapo287d ago (Edited 287d ago )

The end doesn’t slip out, it’s the chase camera that turns a bit, compared to GT which has a more static chase camera.
I drive with bump cam (most sense of speed) and you will notice and feel the car doesn’t slip out.
Kireth (youtube channel) explains this.

VariantAEC282d ago

The Ermz video someone above linked shows that Kireth is both a liar and a moron. See Ermz shows the same s••• happening... in cockpit view!

tbagmonster287d ago

boring vs boring, both put me to sleep

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Gran Turismo 7: The seven best features in its latest game update

Gran Turismo 7 has skipped one month of regular updates to deliver ‘Version 1.49’, which adds significant changes. Here are the most notable new features.

andy854h ago(Edited 4h ago)

What bugs me (and don't get me wrong I appreciate free updates) but they say skipped a month to bring a decent update...but I'd done the new races and bought the new cars within 45 mins. Doesn't seem that substantial

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Gran Turismo 7’s New Physics Are Not Entirely Going Well

Although today's Gran Turismo 7 game update, 1.49, has brought in a sweeping set of physics changes that have largely been for the better, it's safe to say that not everything has gone to plan.

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shadowT1d 12h ago

"Polyphony Digital has confirmed that it is aware of the issue and working on determining a cause in order to fix it."

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VenomUK19h ago

I thought the image was a photoshop but it’s not! Time for me to jump back in!

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GamerRN1d 4h ago

Just so I understand...

Game breaking physics in a Sony game is considered fun, but if it were Microsoft, we would mock them for "doing it again" or whatever

VenomUK17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

@GamerRN @TheNamelessOne I don’t think this is the same as a brand new game that’s released in a broken state which can dissuade the public from playing and kill all sales momentum. Gran Turismo 7 is an already established game with an already established player base. The bugs in this update have broken the game causing severe and absurd events like multiple flying cars! It’s funny, worth enjoying as it will likely be fixed v. soon. Not every conversation has to be about the formats wars!

StormSnooper13h ago

@venom
They know that but they want to take a shot since well, they have nothing going for them.

Also, they are the same person.

mandf12h ago

Gamern yes just to play around in just the vr aspect.

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purple1011d 7h ago

Skys the limit
- not in gran turismo!!

Haha
😛. Haven’t experienced any of this myself. Apparently it’s just if you engine swap or something, it hasn’t affected the daily races
Still hilarious though! This is he game I spend most time on, so it’s slightly worrying
They have fixed all previous bugs very quickly, like in a week or so ..

ABizzel11d 7h ago

The second clip took me out lol

babadivad1d 5h ago

Why did they mess with it. The physics were fine. Trying to fix what isn't broken.

badz1491d 4h ago

It was fine but there are rooms for improvements. For one, the tweak on the tyre physics is very much welvomed IMO. Now tyre deg have a more severe impact on performance and make you actually care about tyre management. There were many events where people were pushing their tyres to the very end with very little performance penalty which kinda made pitstops as disadvantages instead of a strategic call.

ChiefofLoliPolice19h ago

Look I LOVE GT games and even 7 but they're was Def room for improvement on the physics side of things.

Abear2112h ago

I agree it feels more floaty now like the cars aren’t connected to the road as much, less feedback and fight through the controller from the road imo. Disappointing.

Drove three of the new cars on the new track and while they perform differently the steering feels more samey now across different cars. Have to applaud them though, all these updates have been free and they are clearly committed to making GT7 better and better.

You’d think the physics of this release would been iron clad solid on release and through the development process this would be locked down, only adjusting wear and weather…not sure why they overhauled the steering?! Either way this will always be my favorite racing game on PS5 as it just keeps getting bigger

TheColbertinator1d 3h ago

Gran Turismo or Rocket League? You decide.

LotusViridis23h ago

This is cinema. Keep it in the game for april fools or something. I think this is amazing.

Snookies1222h ago

Would love for stuff like this to just be a fun "cheat" option or something to turn on whenever you feel like a having a laugh. I'm always kind of bummed when hilarious glitches get patched out completely. I mean, I know GT is a serious simulation game. And it does need to be fixed. But things like this are comedy gold when unexpectedly triggered.

It's why I loved UFC so much too. That game had no end to wild game breaking moments that would happen out of nowhere.

Azfargh14h ago

They should keep as an permanent game mode. I miss when games knew the right way to not take itself seriously (big head mode, funny cheat codes, stuff like that)

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lucian2291d 8h ago

this looks actually fun lmao

GamerRN1d 4h ago

This is game breaking. How do they release something like this?

gold_drake23h ago(Edited 23h ago)

to answer your other comment
this is a patch to a game thats been around for 2 years.

this is "actually fun" because the game shipped without any major bugs and wasnt gamebreaking when it came out. this is the first time this happened for this game specifically and will be fixed within a day.

meanwhile, some of the games on the other side, are still fundamentally broken.

THATS the difference.

GamerRN17h ago

Ohhhh.... So if a patch breaks a game 2 years later and makes it unplayable, then it's ok?

As long as it came out and stayed without bugs for a long time, then when a patch severely destroys playability, it's just fun that it happened.

Ok that makes perfect sense, thank you for clarifying.

Flakegriffin13h ago

@Gamer

Comprehension is difficult, eh?

IRetrouk11h ago

It's unplayable? So what the fuck have i been doing since the update came out? It's a glitch that happens when you use certain suspension settings, it's getting fixed and is certainly not game breaking, gotta make it seem worse than it is though eh? Cant leave free ammo lying around in the console war now can we.

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Reaper22_1d 6h ago

I'll stick with Forza Motorsport and Horizon.

Hypertension1401d 5h ago

Not like you had a choice. Anyone that has played both will tell you that GT7 is the better game, it's not even a contest anymore.

babadivad1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

Meh, I like them both. I wouldn't say one is clearly superior to the other.

GamerRN1d 4h ago

Played and own both, prefer Horizon lately...

I miss the old GT

Reaper22_1d 1h ago

Lol..no, ive played them all and Forza is the better series.

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Babadook723h ago(Edited 23h ago)

DF tried to take a neutral stance. Then they agreed it’s not worth it in this case. Forza isn’t in the same league, this updates anecdotes not withstanding.

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DivineHand1251d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

I haven't played GT7 but I did play both motorsport and Horizon. The issue I have with Motorsport is that it is a racing sim. Not my cup of tea it seems.

Horizon is actually fun to play and I like the set pieces where you are racing against fighter jets. The version I played was horizon 5 and the only flaws I found with it are it is sometimes no clear how to proceed further in the game and the music is not good. I wish I could load my own sound track in the game.

purple10110h ago

it says its a racing sim ,and horizon is the more arcade one,

to me horizon feels like need for speed,
motorsport feels dead, in fact its like a codemasters 'grid' from last gen, in fact code masters grid has better physics, I need to stop flamebaiting, (all truth tho') but yeh GT7 is a masterpiece and they fix these bugs Pretty quick.

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Honda Racing's Gran Turismo 7 Esports Event Returns for 2024, With Global Live Final

After a successful debut in 2023, Honda Racing is bringing its Gran Turismo 7 esports event back this year -- and opening the live final to players around the world.

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Babadook74d ago (Edited 4d ago )

This is way off topic but I watched their live event earlier this month and received a 6 star vehicle. Got the LaFararri in red. WHoo!