Sony Should Do More First Day Releases On PS Plus

With the increasing popularity of services like PS Plus and Game Pass, Sony should bank on more first-day releases to have more of an impact on its market.

[Battlestar23]

Yeah but they won't do that with their 1st party titles because they would lose out on Money by putting them on PS+.

The reason why i love Gamepass is because MS is footing the bill for the Xbox Division when it loses money on putting their 1st party titles on the service. But eventually they will stop footing the bill and raise the price of gamepass way higher so that customers start paying properly instead of the cheap price now.

When that day comes I'm cancelling my Gamepass subscription unless i can find a cheaper way for gamepass like a lot of those 1 euro deals I had be taking advantage of.

[DOMination-]

Is it demonstrably provable that they would lose money?

I'm asking because I don't have the data to prove either way and I'm not sure anyone here would.

But if you believe everyone on N4G, all PlayStation owners like to own physical copies of their games and like to fully support PS Studios by giving them a "sale". :D

More seriously though, I've pointed out on many occasions and people still don't understand - when somebody buys a game for $70, Sony doesn't get $70, the retailer does. The retailer buys the game off a distributor (usually) for around $45. The distributor buys it from the publisher (in this case, Sony) for ~$30. And then there's production and marketing to take into account.

Having a game available on digital distribution ensures Sony gets 100% of the cut (for first party games at least).

Sure, one month of PS+ will be less than the ~$30 Sony might get for a physical copy. But most people aren't going to pay for just one month. I guarantee that the majority of subscribers are annual and have auto renew on. Plus the bet that MS is taking is that more and more people will end up subscribing as more content is made available. Whether that bet works out, time will very much tell on that. But with that all considered, I ask again.. is it definitely 100% true that they will make less money? I'm not convinced myself.

[derek]

What are you talking about, this isnt hard to understand? Newsflash giving something away for free that you normally would sell at full price will result in a dramatic loss in revenue.

[arkard]

Digital Copies are like 90% of the way games are purchased now I think so sony or Microsoft are for sure pocketing 100% of the money from their digital stores.

[Phoenix76]

Is it demonstrably provable that they would lose money?

I would say yes to that. You only need to look at streaming services like Netflix or Disney+ or any of the other services right now. They are lossing cash ATM in huge amounts.
Having gaming go the same way will end up destroying the industry

[andy85]

@arkard it's nowhere near 90% digital. Please forget about that one article that had mobile and PC gaming included, which of course neither can be physical.

[Extermin8or3_]

It's pretty simple maths. We have most of the costs or a good idea of them thanks to all the leaked documents and the court case etc. We know that gamespass isn't profitable. We know that most publishers don't want their flagship titles on a streaming service day 1 unless reimbursed full dev costs+ some profit by the platform holders because they know there is more money to be made in selling the title conventionally.

[RauLeCreuset]

"Is it demonstrably provable that they would lose money?

"I'm asking because I don't have the data to prove either way and I'm not sure anyone here would."

What way is there for anyone, including Sony, to demonstrably prove that hypothetical that hasn't happened would happen, other than making it happen? It seems you're intentionally trying to set the bar so high as to place it out of reach to avoid acknowledging that logic and available information can be used to make reasonable predictions of what would happen.

Have you asked yourself why Sony (and Nintendo) would knowingly cost themselves money by not doing 1st party Day 1 releases if doing so would make them more money?

"More seriously though, I've pointed out on many occasions and people still don't understand - when somebody buys a game for $70, Sony doesn't get $70, the retailer does."

People don't understand it, or it's not as significant a point as you think it is?

"Having a game available on digital distribution ensures Sony gets 100% of the cut (for first party games at least)."

Sony games are already available Day 1 via digital distribution without being offered Day 1 through a subscription.

"Sure, one month of PS+ will be less than the ~$30 Sony might get for a physical copy."

Not only is it significantly less than the $30, but you forgot to bring the same energy you did for the retail distribution model. The $30 figure is for one game. The price of PS+ is going toward multiple games on the service. That includes 1st party games. The production and marketing costs that you conveniently only mentioned for the retail model don't disappear because it released on a sub.

Then there are the 3rd parties. They too have to be paid, but there's also a cannibalization effect. 3rd parties pay platform holders a cut of their sales under the traditional distribution models. Platform holders don't get that through the subscription model. Instead of getting paid by 3rd parties, they pay 3rd parties.

Revenue from older subs like Live Gold also gets cannibalized. That less significantly less than $30 isn't all additional revenue that wouldn't have been realized otherwise. Part of it is money that would have been coming in anyway through the older subs.

[ChasterMies]

“Is it demonstrably provable that they would lose money?”

Yes, and proving it is surprisingly easily. Did Xbox make $70B this year? No. But Microsoft spent $70B to buy Activision/Blizzard games for Xbox.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

@Phoenix76

This, look at all the price increases from Netflix and Disney, I think Amazon Prime had a price increase recently too. When the streaming wars are over, I'm sure that we'll only have one or two video streaming options, there isn't enough room for all of them. The days of it being cheap though are long over, I suspect the same will happen to Gamepass eventually, unless Microsoft keeps trying to off Sony/Nintendo, then they might happily continue to burn money for now.

@arkard,

Nah, I still see people buying a lot of physical copies for console games, and I haven't seen the local EB close down, so I don't think that figure is right.

[shinoff2183]

@arkard

Digital doesn't account for 90 percent t of sales. Your spewing lies at that point. Can you point to one chart that says that. Even better can you point to one chart that says that ,that doesnt include smartphone/tablet sales

[Chevalier]

https://twistedvoxel.com/go...

GoW did $500 million in revenue in a year and has since then has sold an additional 13 million copies.

Also the retailer takes about 30% so Sony/Playstation does get the other 70%.

But let's entertain your idea that Gamepass math works then. According to recent documents and/or estimates Gamepass makes $250 million a month. So over 12 months it makes $3 billion in revenue. There's what 300+ games on Gamepass, let's say 300 for the nice math.

That means with 300 games and $3 billion in revenue each game only averages about $10 million in revenue.

I don't know about you, but, GoW is over $1 billion by itself. So I'm not sure wtf you are thinking, but, overhead cost, constant advertising, Gamepass sales to keep Gamepass going does not seem profitable.

https://www.google.com/amp/...

Just consider these rumoured estimates for say Star Wars to be on gamepass day 1 you have to pay EA's losses would be $300 million by itself. So again the math suggests you're wrong.

[Petebloodyonion]

"Is it demonstrably provable that they would lose money?"

I don't know why all ppl are trying to explain that Gamepass is loosing money when it's now factual (tks to leak document) that they are braking even (slight profit).
We have see the revenue from Gamepass and The cost for games from the document and even the profit so why again trying to say they are blleding money is beyond me (they are making tons ether),

Also PPL seems to forget that you can still buy games that on Gamepass and Starfield is proof again that some PPL do buys their games or that some games makes more money from MTS (Fortnite) compared to initial cost.

And last but not least I can stop but laught at the ppl pointing that Gamepass will raised price soon, it's innevitable and it's MS evil plans when the same ppl had no problem having Sony raised their subscription price by 30%.

[fr0sty]

Microsoft themselves admitted GP's price will have to go up to remain sustainable.

[wesnytsfs]

They announced GamePass was profitable and Xbox does make more in profits than Sony not sales profits.

[Crows90]

Okay. So this is how money works with products.

When you create something that youve spent money on making you need to be able to sell enough of that product to cover the costs in order to break even. If you cant break even then you've actually lost money on that product.

Not sure how they determine and allocate money from gamepass to games on that service but if I only paid $10 to play starfield and then I dont play it anymore... instead of getting me to pay $60 to play the game I only had to give them $10. This means their product was sold at an enormous discount. 1/6 of the price. or 1/7 if $70 is the msrb for it

So now if they want to break even they need to make sure enough people subscribe to cover the costs. But unlike with fully priced game that only need to sell maybe 3 -5 million to break even and make profit...at 1/7 of the price they need to get 6x the subscribers in sales to break even. But with a mixture of avenues its hard to get a good sense...in other words..solid sales numbers is the only way to tell.

As far as sales...yeah...they dont announce those anymore with xbox games but based on steam they didnt get enough sales on pc. Xbox sales are usually low as well...so probably didnt sell enough.

Since Xbox is doubling down on subscription services this means you should fully expect xbox games to be geared towards subscriptions...in other words...incomplete or grindy.

Look at starfield.

[Cacabunga]

Sony should mostly announce 1st party games on PS5

[BlackTar187]

It should be required on some if you people posts . Dom - paid MS contributor, obscure- paid MS contributor. It’s so obvious

[dazzysima]

Can tell you for a fact that the trade price on a $70 title won’t be $45.

In the UK, for example, Sony’s trade price on Spider-Man 2 is closer to £50 than £40. You then need to add the 20% VAT on top of that.

[shaenoide]

I've never spent so little money on XBOX since Gamepass has been available.

It's a good thing for me but in the long run I am not so sure.

[RauLeCreuset]

@Pete

"I don't know why all ppl are trying to explain that Gamepass is loosing money when it's now factual (tks to leak document) that they are braking even (slight profit)."

All ppl? I responded and didn't try to explain that GP is losing money. I pointed out additional costs or cannibalization with the subscription model that the OP's argument for Sony putting their games on PS+ Day 1 did not consider.

Since you lumped me into it, here's my take on your claim.

Accounting is often as much about crafting a narrative as it is crunching numbers. Say MS puts 300 million into developing a first party title with a focus on creating an attractive offering for GP, but when the dust settles they only make back 100 million through the various ways they monetize the game. They have shifted their primary business model to subscription, but the game is also available for purchase.

Making matters worse, of the 100 million, 70 million is realized through sales and only 30 million is realized through GP subs, what they want to be their main revenue stream and the reason they invested 300 million to create the game.

In reality, they would have lost 200 million on an investment for GP, but that's not the narrative they want, so the loss isn't accounted for when calculating GP profits. Technically, the game was available for sale too, even if the reality is that it was created for GP and GP revenue was far behind sales.

[ChasterMies]

“The reason why i love Gamepass is because MS is footing the bill for the Xbox Division when it loses money”

This is 100% true and also 100% concerning for the console market. How long before MS drops the hardware in favor of the sweet profit margins that comes from software?

[Godmars290]

More like how soon they drop hardware, reduce it to just a digital storage and streaming box, if their streaming plans ever take off.

Or if the '27 deadline is valid, MS just drops out altogether. Leave Xbox to fend for itself or close/sell off all the studios and IPs they've bought.

[S2Killinit]

Yup, they are arguably offering better day one games since they started day ones, than xbox has offered. But I’m glad Sony are keeping their strategy of proper AAA developing instead of going the MS route. I would HATE to see that. Also, considering the gamepass model isn’t panning out for MS, why would Somy follow them.

[Petebloodyonion]

@Crows
" but if I only paid $10 to play starfield and then I dont play it anymore... instead of getting me to pay $60 to play the game I only had to give them $10. This means their product was sold at an enormous discount. 1/6 of the price. or 1/7 if $70 is the msrb for it"
Agree except you are forgetting a part of your equation.
Do you think that 100% of ppl paying Game Pass are playing Starfield?
And that's the idea of Subscription is that a huge majority will pay and not use the service all the time or still pay for other stuff.
Let me ask you this? How many PS+ (basic tier) have you played since you sub to PS+ yet ppl still pay each month to add titles to a collection since PS3?

[erinlime]

Gamepass is horrible for developers, why would you want the second biggest publisher to follow the business practices of the third biggest publisher. Clearly whatever Sony is doing works for them and for their third parties.

Phil Spencer following the Netflix model for video game releases has seriously hurt this industry and warped the perspective of many consumers.

[Cyan_Over]

Honestly I agree, but there still exists the issue on containing the playerbase, which Xbox has been strengthening, very slowly.

[shinoff2183]

Has xbox been doing that though. The base is probably 40 50 mill tops

[Extermin8or3_]

Has it they have just under 30 million gamespass subscribers across pc and console and xcloud streaming to other devices. They've sold about 22.3 million s and x combined as of June (month 32, the xbox one is believed to have sold about 22.6 million units in its first 32 months so its actually a smaller console player base than last gen.

[Obscure_Observer]

"Clearly whatever Sony is doing works for them and for their third parties."

Indeed. That´s why they gave its subscribers a whooping 40% increase while offering some crappy inferior service in return. They know they can get away with it.

Imo, whatever Xbox is doing, is working for US, gamers!

Gamepass is getting many indie, AA and AAA day one releases from third party, because Xbox is willing to do it themselves in the first place, unlike Sony who believes their games are too special to be release day one even in their most expensive PS Plus tier. They will not allow even their old games to STAY on PS Plus as we saw with Spider- Man.

Right or wrong, MS is getting more profits out revenue than Sony, Gamepass´s quality is the very reason why it now have more than 30+ Million subscribers while both PlayStation Plus Premium and Extra accounts for only 14.1 Million subscribers.

After that egregious price increase, Sony better start and offer better and newer games than they had offered until now, or they´ll start and lose subscribers.

I hope things to change for better now that Ryan is gone.

[erinlime]

Yeah man, Xbox is so great for smaller developers.

Oh wait what are these articles stating otherwise.
https://www.videogameschron...
https://videogames.si.com/f...
https://www.vice.com/en/art...

But who cares about developers if it's better for "US, gamers!" Right?

Yeah, the PS+ price increase sucks and I don't like it either, I'm not going to defend every dogshit decision Sony makes, but the Gamepass model isn't the way to go.

[shinoff2183]

You can say what feel but imo aside from day 1 ps plus has better offerings.

[notachance]

man idk what this guy is smoking lmao, outside of day one exclusives PS Plus has better library of games.

[derek]

@Obscure, all subscriptions prices are going up because the model doesn't work. The worst part is is that once the average gamer can't afford the monthly payment they will lose ever game they didn't pay for directly, this is the future under Microsoft model. Microsoft the big fat bloated corporation has spent 80 billion on a division that is failing, they will want to recoup that money eventually.

[andy85]

Casually leaving out the other 35 million on the regular PS sub? 😂

[S2Killinit]

@osvure

Gamepas 25 million subscribers
PSPlus. 50 million subscribers

Dwell on that.

[JamiroquaiBocephus]

@notachance

Obscure isn’t smoking anything. He’s just a total moron…as in severely unintelligent. Anyone who knows anything about business understands that the game pass model only exists in its current form because one of the richest companies on earth owns it.

“Whatever xbox is doing, is working…” For literally the smallest population of gamers…the xbox owners.

[Obscure_Observer]

@erinlime

"Yeah man, Xbox is so great for smaller developers."

Yeah, it is. According to actual devs themselves.

It´s disgusting how disingenuously you act by omit developers that have nothing but praise for gamepass.

Here:

By Mike Rose @RaveofRavendale

"I've said this before, but:

Game Pass is guaranteeing success for dozens of devs every single month, *by paying them their entire dev costs (and then some) on day 1*

Anyone tweeting "Game Pass is bad for devs" has zero clue about how this industry works and should get in a bin 👍

https://www.sportskeeda.com...

More devs:

https://www.videogamer.com/...

https://wccftech.com/outer-...

https://www.purexbox.com/ne...

https://wccftech.com/game-p...

https://comicbook.com/gamin...

https://www.windowscentral....

https://www.vg247.com/xbox-...

https://n4g.com/news/256354...

There! Got you FUD bs debunked.

@S2Killinit2h

"Gamepas 25 million subscribers

PSPlus. 50 million subscribers

Dwell on that."

Whatever makes you sleep at night, dude.

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

https://www.vgchartz.com/ar...

[shinoff2183]

40 percent sounds bad but how much we talking. A few dollars?

[Elda]

Again what AAA day one releases from 3rd party has released on GP? I've had Gamepass for almost 2 years now & the only 3rd party AAA day one released on Gamepass was The Show.

[Chevalier]

@Observer

Jeez looks like you never get tired of being wrong or being served crow do you?

Always with the idiotic assumptions with no hard facts.

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

As of July 2023

Revenue by company
Playstation $26 Billion
Xbox $15 Billion
Nintendo $12 Billion

So Playstation revenue is basically equal to Xbox and Nintendo COMBINED.

[ironmonkey]

All that typing just to be wrong, yup ms must be doing something right staying dead last. Fake profits, if ms says they farted your insane train people will believe it.

[Chevalier]

https://exputer.com/news/pl...

Playstation set to have their best year ever and their most profitable too.

https://www.videogameschron...

Playstation set to absolutely destroy Xbox too. Check this here. 2nd best year for Xbox ever tops out at $15.5 billion. Playstation set to do $32 billion will DOUBLE Xbox revenue.

Playstation going to break the industry record for revenue for a 4th time. 2022 being their most recent record too. Breaking the industry record in back to back years too.

It won't even be close. Spiderman 2 alone will absolutely destroy all of Xbox studios releases this year by itself.

[Profchaos]

And we all know how great those Netflix produced movies are

[JackBNimble]

A lot of indie dev's would disagree

[mandf]

No because their games actually sell not gamepass gymnastics

[isarai]

No.

[blackblades]

That's a hell no!

[S2Killinit]

I dont mind what Somy are currently doing. They go case by case and determine which developer wants to release day one. They cut a deal and offer that day day one. This way they dont effect the quality of games produced, while also offering Day One releases that are just as good as any MS has been giving out. While also maintaining the quality of 1st party developers they got which is the reason they have been so successful for 5 generations now.

[maniacmayhem]

Imagine paying for a service and NOT wanting any perks like first day releases.

[isarai]

I don't pay for the service, it's overpriced. And also I'm directing my rejection towards 1st party games. 3rd party is great, but 1st party, nah. I'd rather have a quality game sold at full price than a half baked game full of microtransactions, and a multiple year Roadmap to fix the corners they cut in attempts to make up for cannibalizing sales.

[Rude-ro]

Imagine paying for a service and see zero innovation in games, cheap productions, a focus on microtransactions and “seasons” and the fact that the best aspect of gamepass is saying “free” to games that are in said subscription.

[maniacmayhem]

My point still stands though, you would rather pay full price. There have been multiple games that aren't on a service day and date that have had all those issues you listed. What difference does it make if you would have gotten that game from a service plus a lot more offerings than just a single game for $70?

[isarai]

Which Sony 1st party games have those issues? Closest thing I can think of is Horizon FW was kinda glitchy at launch.

[maniacmayhem]

youre equating regular development issues and planning to what you believe is only caused by appearing on a sub service.

How many games that don't appear on PS+, GP have issues, micro transactions and a road map of fixes and DLC already planned? Answer, all of them.

[isarai]

Again, talking 1st party, and I'm not equating anything. I'm looking at the years of consistent evidence from Gamepass. I don't know if you're ignorant or in denial but it's pretty obvious the quality of games are sacrificed to put them day1 on a sub service, and I'm not the only one who sees it, there's a reason the term "Gamepass filler" is commonplace. Also funny that these "Regular development issues" don't plague any other 1st party publisher, only MS and only once Gamepass started, hmm I wonder why that is 🤔

[shinoff2183]

It's actually not all of them. Alot of indies release solid from the jump. It's usually the aaa games that fall under all those categories you listed

[JackBNimble]

Well I canceled my subscription after the price hike. For one , imo 90% or more games on extra are junk, obviously that's subjective but they certainly aren't games I normally would play. But if Sony released 1st party day one on extra , I would consider subscribing again.

Then again I'm not a fan of most Sony 1st party games so ...

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

At this point in time they don't want to cannibalize sales.

[GoodGuy09]

With the price increase, agreed.

[MTRNYC]

Misinformation and distraction article.

This is just trying to make people think PlayStation Plus doesn't have day one games.even though it has had regular day one games since the release of Stray

Games like Meet your Maker, Sea of Stars, Moving out 2, Overcooked 2, Tchia and more, and in October Teardown day one has already been announced. Those were just what came to mind and that's just PSPlus Extra.

The truth is Sony has had day one games since the launch of the PS4 (maybe even PS3 had some), in fact PlayStation was adding day one games before Microsoft even started started Games with Gold. Heck the PS5 literally came with a day one game for free Astro's Playroom.

[S2Killinit]

Man, Astrobot for PSVR was the most amazing game I’ve ever played. What a surprise that was.

[JackBNimble]

Isn't the argument 1st party day one?

[shinoff2183]

Naw. We're good. Sony isn't some big trillion dollar company that can afford to take the l on all that. I'd rather Sony do how they been doing. Just add in a 1st party rpg or two made. Plus I'm still all about some physical disc.

[gold_drake]

i think sony is doing more than fine without doing that

[S2Killinit]

Not to mention, they ALREADY have Day One releases from 3rd party and their offerings are as good if not better than what gamepass has offered so far.

[InUrFoxHole]

Yeah I keep hearing that. I would love to hear what a consumers perspective would be?

[gold_drake]

that people buy the games they wanna buy.

sure having games day one on the sub is great, but so far, only ms has done that and sony and nintendo havent. so, i personally dont miss out on anything, since i work for a living and buy stuff when and if i want it.

they've explained why that wouldnt work for them, and im cool with that. not everything needs to be like ms.

its not consumer unfriendly, JUST because, one out of god knows how many subs, does it.

imo. as a consumer.

[InUrFoxHole]

So if sony came with a monthly plan that had day and date would you see that as a value you would partake in or would you rather pay full price since you work for a living?

[CrashMania]

Unlike MS, they don't need to give away games for a pittance to make money or gain traction, and give out meaningful numbers and not just player count or bullets fired etc.

And I love how it says ever increasing popularity, when gamepass numbers have been stagnant as shown in recent leaks, so where is the incentive for Sony or even Nintendo to do such a thing?

[JackBNimble]

Where is the incentive?

I don't know, just ask yourself why they would create a service like extra and premium in the first place? Because they didn't do it because they love gamers.

[andy85]

I mean maybe but that'd just mean the quality would dip overall. I've expected none with my subscription but I've gotten Sea of Stars, Stray and Humanity day one on the service, all of which I'd have bought which was a nice bonus. Isn't there a day one in next months too. Haven't checked that one out yet

[ocelot07]

Sony first party games sell? So why would they want loose money and let people rent out ps+ for a month to play the game? It makes no sense at all.

[garos82]

no thanks. i want the devs to make the best game possible and ill pay day one asking price. i dont want " have a mediocre 'free' game that we will fix later"

[Barlos]

Makes no difference to me as I prefer to own my games, and not just rent through my subscription, so if I want a game I'll buy it whether it's on Plus or not.

[Redgrave]

It works well for smaller titles, like Sea of Stars, Stray, and Fall Guys and Rocket League before it.

I do not think that it is a good idea to release their heavy hitters day and date in the same way Gamepass does it. There should be at least a 6 month buffer before the first party offerings grace the likes of Plus. 6 months based off nothing, just throwing it out there.

There will always be arguments for day and date releases as well as against. Where it works and where its failed, how it likely results in worse games to account for day and date accessibility where costs and profits are inevitably eaten into.

I personally think smaller, indie-esque games stand more to gain from launches on Gamepass and PS+, then the frontline AAA's. Ultimately though, it's a definite case by base basis and will always bear risks regardless of platform.

[jznrpg]

Not really.

I want quality games and I will pay money for them.

Paying less will equal lesser quality at some point it can not be propped up forever.

Let MS try that strategy.

We don’t need everyone doing the same thing.

MS is doing game-passs as a last ditch effort to turn things around and using non Xbox money to do it.

Sony just needs to keep making high end single player games and we will support them.

[thecodingart]

lol, no

[Extermin8or3_]

More likely they will put microtramsactions into everything, everything will have a battlepass abdbbe designed to be a grind to keep you subseciedod.

[shadowT]

No, I prefer high-value game productions.

[Father__Merrin]

Key blockbuster titles no. But lesser titles in indie style games then yes

[PS-Gamer-1986]

How about no?

[EvertonFC]

Games like Sackboy, maybe even games like returnal should possibly day1 but tlou, Uncharted or GoW style games shouldnt be imo.

[jznrpg]

Returnal was totally worth full price to me. I bought Sackboy because my kids wanted it and it was worth it in a different way.

Returnal is one my favorite games this generation.

[Chevalier]

Same. Returnal I bought day 1 and have zero regrets. It was one of the best experiences this generation

[EvertonFC]

Same fella, not saying returnal was crap or s
ackboy both great games. Just maybe better to reach a bigger audience is all.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I don't think Sony could afford that, in fact, I think it would financially ruin them, plus they make more money selling copies of the game rather than charging people a cheap access fee. Microsoft burns money as it is with game pass and needs to constantly feed new games into it to keep people subscribed, at least Sony waits till the majority of sales have passed before putting it on PS Plus. Although Sony could feed some more classic games into the service like they promised.

[realplu]

I disagree.

[Abear21]

Resogun was the last great game to drop day one on Plus and that happened at PS4 launch.

[Elda]

That's because Resogun was more so an Indie title.

[Dandizzle]

wtf is estrakt.com

[anast]

Nah, I'm good. I will get Game Pass if I want my favorite games to turn into shovel-ware.

[maniacmayhem]

Crazy how people will defend not wanting a service that they pay for...a service that should be free by the way, and saying they would rather Sony not give them more games day and date.

Not only prefer it but defend it.

[kneon]

That's because some of us can see the long term negative consequences while some people can't be bothered to think beyond next week

[maniacmayhem]

So how long do you plan on waiting on these hypothetical negative consequences (that will never happen) while you pay for a service that doesn't give you any of the perks the competition does but will instead definitely raise the price?

[ocelot07]

Let's see if I can try and simplify it for you.

Spiderman PS4 2018 cost £50 on release for customers. Customers pay £50. Sony makes lots of money. Customers happy with quality of game. Sony invests in Spiderman 2 a few years later. Great for us gamers.

Alternative reality back in 2018. Sony makes Spiderman. Cost them a lot of money to make. Put it on ps+ day 1. Current subs don't pay any extra. Non subs sub for a month for £7 rather than pay £50. Sony made good game but didn't make money. Decide not to make Spiderman 2 in future due to not making money back on first one. Or invests so little we get Spiderman 2 Redfall edition.

[Elda]

With the yearly $20 to $40 price increase Sony PS+ should definitely have more first day releases. If so they would be more likely Indie or AA titles. Sony wouldn't dare put their first party AAA titles on the service day one of release nor would they pay hundreds of millions to put day one releases of AAA multiplats on the service.

[Abear21]

Agreed, and this month is hopefully a sign of things to come but I expected more coming off the heels of the price increase announcement.

[jznrpg]

20$ to 40$ increase is equal to giving one more day one game at most. And they probably will. Didn’t think Sea of Stars would be day1 PS plus but I’m still getting physical copy for my collection in 24’ when it comes out.

[neomahi]

Morons. No. It's not profitable. I guess they could for their Games a Service Games they have going but, they're not going to do this because then it's PlayStation's version of Game Pass. No, I want quality games and a Game Pass service on PlayStation means cut quality games

[Walweeze]

I rather own the physical copy of ps games rather than get them day 1 on plus. I always come back and replay my games yrs later

[Petebloodyonion]

My only question is WHY?

Sony is currently the market leader and their owns games are often best sellers on their consoles.
So what would Sony achieve (Sony's interest) by making their games available day 1?

Per example, Epic Games offer free games weekly in order to lure Steam's user into using the Epic Games Store.
Phil Spencer made it clear in the past they expect the consumers to buy a PS5 and are trying to have the consumer buy a Cheap Serie S a second console with a Gamepass subscription.

For Sony's there's no potential benefit (asside generating brand loyalty) so it would be illogical to start going this way unless MS really start making a dent in marketshare.

[northpaws]

Marvel Spiderman sold 33 millions copies, let's say half of those were full price purchase $69.99, and half of those people bought it cheap at half price.

16.5 millions x $70 = $1,155,000,000
16.5 millions x $35 = $577,500,000

$1,155,000,000 + $577,500,000 = $1,732,500,000

In conclusion, yes, Sony should put it on PS Plus day one, so they lose out 1.7 billions for no reason, very smart.

/s

The less money these single player non-gaas games earns, the more likely we will get a all gaas games future, the smart gamers know what to support.

[Godmars290]

No.

Not when they're the leading console, much less because Xbox need to do it to give GP any real worth. And still be in 3rd place.

[mastershredder]

Yeah, No Mr. Gimme freestuff.

Embrace shelling out some benjies. The market kinda needs it right now. I mean seriously. This is pretty disconnected and more like an entitled 13-year-old perspective with bad non-strategic analogies as to why this is "good".

"First-day releases on PS Plus could also be a boon for indie game developers" lol okay this is just too adorable waiving that flag. You seriously haz no ideas. No, contrary to your assumption, it's not good unless you are an indie studio that's not really "indie" (cough, Annapurna, cough, huge outsource media conglomerate). And Like hell do I want a bunch of indie shi& in a paid lineup that already has too many regurgitated crapfest indie games in it.

[Bronbron92]

Why fix what isn’t broken Sony doesn’t need to release anything day one on plus, sure gamepass is great but let’s say you decide to not use when they eventually raise the price higher then you lose all the games that were “free”

[Profchaos]

Personally would I like games like Spiderman 2 free yeah ofcourse however if they were coming to a subscription service I garuntee the quality would be halved so I'm ok paying

[TheColbertinator]

Nintendo doesn't do this and they are doing just fine. Why should Sony? Or anyone for that matter?

[Murdability]

No

[Aaroncls7]

Day one on PC, double dip and make bank.
Sony being foolish and throwing money away.

[Rockstar]

...no