Bobby says, "Many video game franchises have come and gone, but what ones should return?"
Rare has had an astonishing journey since being founded in 1985. But of the 125 titles released to date, which are the 7 best Rare games?
Dave writes, "Banjo-Kazooie is a perfect franchise to bring back. Re-jigging it for modern consoles or creating a sequel will breathe life into a beloved series that has brought joy to millions of gamers for the last 25 years."
A new Conker would be nice too, and a new Diddy Kong Racing would make a nice change as well over the standard racers like Mario Kart.
I’ve been waiting my whole life for another banjo kazooie sequel! Imagine a new entry with all of the ingenuity and new ideas they would have after modern platformers like Mario Odyssey
We had one with Yooka Laylee and it was trash and hardly anyone bought it. Let the nostalgia die, as much as I like platformers, we don't need another Banjo Kazooie, the game was mid at best.
I'm of like mind. I think the appeal that we might have had for these games was a bit more nostalgic and that the advancement of the industry has led people further away from Banjo and more towards Fortnite and the like. People still enjoy the game, but it's a niche market because the industry moved on to other things.
Industry moved on to other things. Such as??? Same boring open world shooters again and again and again and again same damn format with different titles. Same Damn shit since 2006 either military style fps or Viking solider, riding on horses, driving around with a car, sailing in a ship, to much Unnecessary exploring, to much side quest etc.
My Personal Opinion they all feel the same boring.
Sorry Retroman, no individual controls the direction of the industry. It is what it is because people spoke with their wallets.
Completely agree Retroman, most games today are simply better looking versions of the same stuff, recycled over and over. When they do something new, like for example Half Life 2 did in 2004 with the physics and very interactive world, it was fresh and exciting. Now many games take what came before and update the graphics and that's about it, or sometimes have less stuff than in the previous games even.
Well that doesnt mean a good one cant be made.
Nintendo has continued to great make 3D Platformers, while not exactly the same Ratchet is not an entirely different genre either. Psychonauts 2 was great as well.
There is potential for a good Banjo game with the right developer.
That said, within MS probably only Double Fine or Toys for Bob I think could pull it off, Rare should stay far away from it, they are a very different team now
Just give up, leave Banjo-Kazooie in the past. They will never be able to recreate what made it and Banjo-Tooie good on N64 today, especially not by being owned by Microsoft.
The glory days of 007 Goldeneye ( with rumble Pak)
Perfect dark with ram expansion card.(but only really for 4 controller multiplayer )
Diddy kong racing & banjo
Those were all gems I miss those times, but let them go. Re-visiting your childhood is never as good as you think.
While discussing Banjo-Kazooie's 25th anniversary, Grant Kirkhope, a composer who worked on a ton of Rare games in the past, said that he doesn't think there's an audience for Banjo-Threeie.
Unfortunately, the only modern 3D-Platformers that sells extremely well is Mario. Ratchet and Clank also does well too, but it sells substantially less than 3D Mario titles.
But you're forgetting that's where Game Pass can come in. You can now scale it between sales and general user retention.
Ratchet & Clank, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro the Dragon, SpongeBob, Psychonauts, A Hat in Time, LittleBigPlanet, Kirby, It Takes Two, Sonic the Hedgehog & Pac-Man have had successful modern 3D platformers. A game doesn’t need to sell better than Mario to justify its existence
Exactly.
The simple fact that Playtonic - a studio comprised of ex-Rare devs of the 64 era - created a highly successful Kickstarter based purely off of what was a spiritual successor to Banjo Kazooie with Yooka Laylee show me that announcing a legitimate Banjo 3 should be far more than viable today.
Hell, the Playtonic team actually said they'd do it if Microsoft allowed them.
Now we have so many new and throwback 3D platformers doing well. There's obviously a solid market for it.
Astrobot. Best platformer I have every played was Astrobot Rescue Mission.
But that's how this dev is probably conditioned by Microsoft to think though, and this would be the result
Please don't forget AstroBot.
Astrobot Rescue mission on PSVR was the greatest platformer in history for me. And I am a Mario fan.
There are other games that have sold well.
Newest 3d Kirby sold over 6 million copies (rightfully so-amazing game).
Sonic Frontiers sold over 3.5 million copies.
Psychonauts was also Double Fine's best selling game
Crash Bandicoot Trilogy reportedly sold over 10 million copies
Same for It Takes Two (10 million copies).
I believe there is a market there, especially for a game carrying the legacy of Banzo.
The success of Crash Bandicoot 4 disproves this notion
A dormant series can have potential to return and find great success with audiences old and new
Cash failed. It's estimated to have sold only around 2 million units. Definitely not even close to 10 to make it a success.
Tell that to major publishers. I highly doubt SE is the only company that can look at 3.5 million sales for a game and still label it a failure, while the lower the number goes, the more a suit can justify their time is better spent elsewhere.
There is a reason we haven't seen Crash 5 announced at this point, and it isn't because Crash 4 was considered successful.
I can list hundreds of games that haven’t sold 10 million that are still considered successful
Since when did 10 million become the barometer
Your ability to miss the point is amazing. 10 million isn't the measure for success, but that's because there is no standard number. It all depends on what the game cost to make, distribute, and market. For some games, 10 million will be required to actually make it a success. For others, 1 million is an absolute knockout.
Someone stated Crash 4 only sold 2 million and as such was considered a failure. All things considered, per Activision's expectations and the total lack of follow up beyond a new generic Crash party game, that assessment seems pretty bang on. You pulled 10 million out of your ass to act like you were making a well crafted point when you were basically saying nothing at all.
No shit the cost of the budget of a game would need a higher amount of unit sales. A new Banjo-Kazooie game isn’t going to have so high a budget that 10 million would be a necessity. Way to validate my point.
I can’t find any article that states how much it sold in total, just how successful it started out as.
We have yet to receive a follow up to Super Mario Odyssey, it took Sonic Forces 5 years to get a follow up, and it took 5 years after Ratchet & Clank ‘16 to get another title in the franchise. It’s clear that development time on modern 3D platformers take longer than before.
You must be illiterate if you think I was first the one who brought up 10 million. I was responding to toadie bringing up that amount for some absurd reason. Nice job reinforcing why that amount is absurd btw.
No audience?
Yookah-Laylee broke Kickstarter records for a reason. Even if the actual game didn’t live up to expectations, you can’t tell me modern audiences have no interest in Banjo-Kazooie.
Not to mention that that the characters’ SSBU reveal was praised by a wide array of people, making the franchise even more well known
If he were talking about if this game were made to be exclusive to Xbox platforms he may have a point. However I’d tbis were also brought to Switch like Ori and Minecraft it’d find a huge success
The real issue is they went and built Nuts and Bolts, which is not what fans wanted - a vehicle construction game. Had they stuck to a straightup platformer, which fans were craving, it could have done much better, akin to Yookah Laylee.
They could do something with the franchise, but it would need to move with the times. The games were awesome back in their day, but I'm not sure they'd do well today without a substantial overhaul - even then, I'm not sure the franchise legacy holds enough weight with the target audience to do great unless it was limited to a small-budget affair.
Maybe because they've never established or kept to a basic gameplay formula. There's more of a "we need this to be our Mario/Sonic/Ratchet" than something with true organic appeal.
Art of Fighting
Bloody Roar
Clay Fighter
Darkstalkers
Ehrgeiz
Final Fight
..and so on ;)
Onimusha and Legacy of Kain! Excellent choice.
I would add Shenmue indeed.
breath of fire
shadow hearts / koudelka
dot hack series.
and many more u cant think of right now haha
Quake (not including the re-releases)
F.E.A.R
TimeSplitters
Hexen
Brothers in Arms
Bad Company
Resistance
Legacy of Kain
Midnight Club
Burnout
... many more
The Legend of Dragoon
Infamous
Heretic/Hexen
Sleeping Dogs
Midnight Club
Scarface
Lost Odyssey
Syphon Filter
Red Faction
Snatcher