Redfall Players Unhappy With The Devs' Silence On Post-Launch Content Despite Previous Claims

Arkane Austin said that Redfall would be its most supported game post-launch. Players have grown unhappy with the team's silence since then.

[-Foxtrot]

Amazes me people have gotten to this point to now be unhappy

Like the launch wasn’t enough of a gut punch

[Hofstaderman]

There wasn’t much else to play.

[isarai]

Hogwarts Legacy, Jedi Survivor, and Dead Island 2 all came out on xbox within a month of redfall. Also Horizon FW burning shores and Zelda TotK if you have multiple consoles.

[Hofstaderman]

@isarai XBOX owners do not buy games, they wait for to come to GamePass

[DivineHand125]

@isarai XBOX owners do not buy games, they wait for to come to GamePass

I am reading this while looking at my Xbox copies of Elden Ring and Sonic frontier.

[shinoff2183]

Divine

Ms gave us that information about xbox players not buying. We all know it's not all Xbox owners. CoOl you bought a couple games though.

[Z501]

"Xbox owners do not buy games, they wait for to come to GamePass"

That doesn't refute "There wasn't much else to play"

[JackBNimble]

Z501
Real.. because xbox has no games, not even 3rd party?
You guy's need to give up the bullshit, there is plenty to play especially considering BC.
Yes I agree xbox 1st party is crap but that's not the only games out there.

Bunch of hyperbolic bullshit ...

[isarai]

If there's one thing Xbox fans have a surplus of, it's copium.

[Hofstaderman]

Must really suck to be in their shoes. They can’t even refute anything since Phil has pretty much spelt out XBOXs state. The mental gymnastics of these guys are totally something else.

[neutralgamer1992]

Fox

I believe they have given up and moved on to other projects but coming out and saying that will generate too much negativity

[Crows90]

Xbox has the final say. They basically pulled a bait and switch...ran away with the money as fast as possible and came out to do tons of fake interviews on how unexpected it was. Putting the all the blame on the developers.

[BaughJaughs]

Sad for the people that bought this absolute horse spunk , but there is no point in wasting any more of the the developers time on this game. It’s a lost cause and should be swept under the carpet to allow them to focus on something new.

[Petebloodyonion]

And yet there are games like No Man Sky or Cynerpunk 2077 that are now considered incredible games despite the poor initial launch.

[-Foxtrot]

@Petebloodyonion

I wouldn't say they are "incredible"...just better than launch but when the bar is so low it's not saying anything.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

@Petebloodyonion,
I think that's exaggerating a bit, they're better, but I'm not forking out for No Man's Sky and I'm on waiting on the Cyberpunk DLC before I actually buy the base game at a steep discount (GOG has had it for $30 for the past couple of sales).

[shinoff2183]

No man's sky is the only one I'd give a hey it sucked but good job since they were or are still such a small team. These other two to hell with that. I still talk shit about cyberpunk and I platinumed it.

[rippermcrip]

I think anyone who continued to support it are crazy. I think absolute silence from the studio is bonkers.

But I also think anyone having expected a substantial content update by now (3 months) are a bit ridiculous.

[Eonjay]

It was never unreasonable for people to expect support considering some actually even paid the full $70 price. You can't just shit on people, take their money and disappear. As consumers we can't stand for that. Otherwise that will become the norm.

[VersusDMC]

And they charged money for a season pass(30$) that includes 2 new heroes. That content needs to happen or start giving out refunds.

[crazyCoconuts]

Agree with all points here. I think it's worth mentioning that ppl paying for GamePass are getting ripped off as well... Faithfully paying monthly through light months waiting for these bombshells that are supposed to make it all worth it. I think the "payment plan" approach might make it less obvious how much $ is being thrown away on games like this

[rakentaja]

If they keep it that way, it will hurt them more in the long run. You release something "as is" and keep it "as is". The studio has no dignity. The scary message would be that "you can release anything" and just run away. It's hard for you to understand, but that's why CPR is working so hard on Cyberpunk, so your latest project won't be such a damaging image for the studio.

[badz149]

why are people expecting a GAAS game doing badly to be getting continuous support regardless of what the devs have promised? are people really THAT gullible?

[DarXyde]

I'm not so sure that's in the developer's hands anymore though.

It is entirely possible that Arkane isn't allowed to prioritize this game anymore. It is possible that, if the game was successful, Microsoft would have them continue working on this game with updates. Since it's dead in the water, is it possible that they are not allowed to continue regularly scheduled support?

If so, that is very concerning. It's like cancelling a television season if viewership is too low. For games though, this seems more problematic because this is pretty much promised.

[Inverno]

I'ma be real blunt. Who the actual fudge is still playing this? And how dumb you gotta be to still expect anything good to happen? You got suckered, you didn't ask for a refund, now it's too late, move on. People's lack of common sense is truly worrisome.

[Eonjay]

The consumers who purchased the game fulfilled their end of the deal by parting with their money. To be blunt there is nothing more they should have to do to be made whole. They shouldn't just accept being burnt. Where is Microsoft protecting it's consumers? Why is it okay to walk over the bones of the people giving them money?

[Inverno]

You're right, people shouldn't let companies screw em over but some self accountability is in order. If you know before hand that the game is trash, and reviews be saying it's trash then the responsible thing to do is refund your digital copy or go to the store and cancel the purchase. If you didn't do that and instead decided to wait for the game to be patched and have content added to it then that's entirely on you and you should take the L as they say.

[shinoff2183]

Inferno at the same time you can't always go by reviews that's whack. I'll say in redfalls case it was written all over though

[Elda]

The one good thing about GP is one doesn't have to fork over retail price upfront when you can try the game on the sub service, if one likes the game they can support by buying the game retail...though most won't buy knowing one can play the entire game through GP.

[DarXyde]

That is disingenuous.

People made a big stink about the game. To the point that Spencer had to come out, make his typical PR pitch, and admitting that the game isn't great (and I'm pretty sure he's lying about the internal reviews being so positive).

Also, you need to understand the precedent being set here: I feel pretty sure most people didn't buy this game and the player base that did experience this game overwhelmingly did so via XGP. How does one ask for a refund in this scenario? Request a month of free XGP? How, when it's one game and the service has many? XGP seems to offer a level of insulation from refund requests, which we're seeing now. Sure, people could buy the game, but the proportion of buyers to renters is so greatly in favour of renters that even if every buyer complains and requests a refund, they could easily say that "a vocal minority of players are requesting refunds" and swat their concerns aside.

It's grimy. Let's not defend terrible business practices and chalk it up to consumer naivety. That's not fair.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

For the cost of Game Pass, I wouldn't care if the game is broken, I'd toss it aside and play something else at that price.

[shinoff2183]

You know damn well that game didn't review well at all but ms had to push out something at this point it had been so long. That game should've been canned. Didn't the devs even say alot of them didn't wanna continue it.

[Charlieboy333]

@ Final Oh boy, you truly are Microsoft's dream customer

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

@Charlie,
Tough bikkies, I don't have, and never will purchase Game Pass (I have an extensive library of games I'll probably never finish in my life time), I also would never buy Redfall (and I very rarely pre-order anything).

I think Microsoft would be more depressed that they couldn't attract me as a customer, to their hardware, their games, their subscriptions (You'd know that if you saw my comment history). Most Xbox owners probably didn't even buy Redfall.

[MetroidFREAK21]

Shock /s

[Relientk77]

Anybody still playing this or the Lord of the Rings Gollum game, needs to take a step back and evaluate the games they chose to play.

[Hofstaderman]

They actually need to evaluate their life decisions…

[Ninver]

Lmao I totally forgot about lotr: gollum. What an absolute turd

[Sonic1881]

I remember Obscure_Observer hyped up this game so much

[Elda]

To the core!

[Ninver]

Desperation and starvation will do that to ya.

[shinoff2183]

He sure did. Him and the citrus guy can't remember his name.

[BehindTheRows]

In fairness, he also condemned it when the reviews made it clear that this wasn't anything to praise.

[DarXyde]

I remember that. True, but there's a caveat.

Perhaps I'm cynical or difficult to impress, but they laid the blame squarely at Arkane's feet with absolutely none of that ire for Microsoft or Phil.

I sincerely hope that, when games from XGS do very well, they credit the studio and not Microsoft or Spencer.

[anast]

The players didn't give them enough money to care.

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

This game wasted my hype and at my age I don’t have much hype left to waste!

[ThichQuangDuck]

They really want more content more than they want the content they have already gotten to be in a playable fun state?

[Destiny1080]

the game cost one dollar, nobody cares

[TheColbertinator]

They should have paid us to play it then.

[Valkyrye]

some of these xbox exclusives are horrible, where is the quality control? do they beta test games anymore?

[AmUnRa]

The game is on GamePass.so it was good enough from MS to put it out, take the money and call it a day. Then came the damagecontrol, Phil saying the game get patched..did not happen.

if some of you thinks that this game will be patched or get updates is living in lalaland.

[DivineHand125]

It's not feasible to try to fix Redfall. I would rather they release a 60 fps patch for the dishonored games for series S/X to breathe life into those games. After that, they can move on to something better.

[Ninver]

They abandoned ship before it even sailed lmfao

[Vanfernal]

On other news, Anthem players are also unhappy with devs.

[Petebloodyonion]

PPL are right to be pissed especially if they paid top $.
The dev should at least give the ppl a roadmap and some of the goals they are trying to achieve so even if they fail at meeting them at least they would show that they are indeed trying.
The best-case example would be how CD Project Red turn the dumpster fire that was Cyberpunk 2077 and turned it into an awesome game.
Yet the dev made several communications regarding patches and fixes helping ppl see this thru.

I could also mention No Man Sky or Sea of Thieves.

[jznrpg]

Did Redfall make anyone happy to begin with?

It’s all on Microsoft to green light updates or not. Blame them

[Profchaos]

It's the generations anthem a small team in charge of redeeming a game that way built by an entire studio while everyone else has moved on

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

This is why you don't pre-order or buy day one, I can understand why people did considering it was a reputable studio, but that hasn't stopped disasters like this or Cyberpunk from happening before (although I think this is worse than Cyberpunk).

I can understand the developers abandoning the game though, they screwed up to the point where no DLC will fix the game, the core game needs an overhaul or significant amount of code rewritten. Just sucks for the people that actually paid for this.

[shinoff2183]

Idk I pre order stuff all the time. I use gamestop as a sort of layaway. Games like legend of heroes, trinity trigger, star ocean 2 remake(remaster forget which) pre ordering games is extremely useful to me. Pay the same amount but it's easier for me to pay 5 to 10 every few weeks or so then plop 60 at release. If I'm buying new. I mostly pre order games I feel will be harder to come buy in the future. I've never pre ordered digital, now that I feel is dumb da da dumb dumb dumb

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I don't like to pre-order because I've been burned before, I like to wait and read reviews, especially independent ones, sometimes you don't get the full story of what the game is like until well after release.

In the end, I end up buying most games on discount long after release, there isn't many that I buy on release day or close to it (I'd gladly plonk down for games like Persona or SRW though, but I pay the full price upfront). But I'm also the type that likes to have several weeks worth of pay in the bank at all times in case I get a surprise bill or something, so I can afford to drop down the full price for a new release game every now and then if I really want to.

[GhostScholar]

There are redfall players? I kid…..

[BanginTunes]

Redfall players?

[XiNatsuDragnel]

People I feel bad for yall I'm ngl.

[DOMination-]

I'd love to know the story behind this game. Maybe once the dust has settled somebody will talk about it.

The real question is - did Zenimax force them to make a live service game or was this all on Arkane? (remember, this was in production years before MS owned them)

It just seems weird that Harvey Smith - one of the industry's greatest - was writing and directing this trash. The fact he is still pretty active on X but not posted a single thing about Redfall since launch is even more intriguing. And he's still at Arkane so it doesn't seem like he's unhappy. I don't know.. something seems really off - it'll be fascinating to know one day.

In regards to the article - I think MS have probably ran the numbers and worked out it really isn't worth putting more money into this. But I think for the sake of those who did invest in it, they should communicate the plans as soon as possible.

[senorfartcushion]

What’s a “Redfall player?”

[StarkR3ality]

This was always a throw and forget title by Xbox. It's a shame because the concept was fun, but the game clearly of should be been scraped which Xbox in the past has had no issue with with scalebound etc. Poor call from them.

I don't blame Xbox for the state of the game as it was in development for years before they acquired Bethesda. I do blame them for allowing it on their platform though.

[Z501]

That Bite Back Edition tho 😬

[343_Guilty_Spark]

There are no Redfall players. Non story.

[randomvoice]

The game is already dead. Any work done on top would be equivalent to grooming a corpse. Futile and a waste of time. Devs are trying to just keep it quiet so they can bury it in silence.

[Alexkayl2]

Very disappointed with Redfall, but I would understand if Arkane just wanted to move on from this. Hopefully lessons learned.

[Abear21]

Players? You mean psycho Xbox fanboys? Because that’s the only people playing this game, those so blinded and jaded they play shite bc they wasted their money on it. Don’t chase losses people, just take the L and move on.