Final Fantasy 16's Naoki Yoshida says negative comments from trolls are "tiresome"

Final Fantasy 16 producer Naoki Yoshida has said negative comments from trolls online are "tiresome".

A special documentary on the developer was recently shown in Japan, which streamer and Final Fantasy fan Audrey of Aitai Kimochi translated for social media.

[Jin_Sakai]

The internet is full of trolls. It’s best to just ignore them and go about your business.

[phoenixwing]

I'll go one step further and say life is full of trolls.

[HyperMoused]

Ill go one step further again, trolls are full of troll

[4Sh0w]

'meh welcome to the internet.

[blackblades]

Its hard to ignore msot times. Over time it can slowly eat away your mental health. Also I bet its not just common trolling probably other crap.

[Charlieboy333]

"Over time it can slowly eat away your mental health"...only if you let it.

[blackblades]

@Charlieboy
Not everyone can, as you can see my the suicide rate.

[RpgSama]

People need to just let go and vote with their money, they like the changes or are indifferent to the changes, buy the game, do not like the changes do not buy the game.

I love this new FF by itself, it's FF enough for it to feel part of the franchise, do not mind it not being Turn Based, I mean, for anyone that wants a great turn based RPG buy trails of Reverie probably the best Turn based RPG around.

Plenty of options for anyone that does NOT want to play this game.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I've noticed the Trolling has gotten worse in the last few years, even when you're not salty or upset about something, some people try hard to (sometimes unsuccessfully) troll people and it's sad.

[Lightning77]

It's not always that easy especially when you have PR looking at social Media for feedback. Weather that's through there own website or other major media platforms ppl ha song nothing but stupid things to say.

Sometimes it's hard to decipher who's trolling and who's giving negative but fairly criticized feedback.

[DarXyde]

Correct, it's easier to ignore it... But it can be extremely difficult when you're a public facing figure of a massive franchise. This is about his body of work and depending on your culture, you place a lot of meaning in that. Clearly, he really cares which is why he's scrolling social media for feedback.

Cory Barlog wept when he saw the metacritic score for God of War 2018. It meant that much to him to see the work his team put in be so positively received.

A ton of work, stress, and manpower goes into these projects. Years of work. I don't think it's as easy as disengaging with it, especially when he wants to know what's wrong. I find this is attitude very constructive. Then you've got some muppets online who just want to be contrarians and not helpful in the process of making your work better.

I don't know, mate. That would rub me the wrong way too.

[GoodGuy09]

I mean, the game is so far away from a traditional ff game, so obviously you'd get negative feedback from old fans. I myself couldn't bring myself to play any more after 10hrs. Its just an unga bunga DMC clone heavily inspired by mideavil western RPGs and TV shows. It really only has the boss fights going for it. The filler stuff in between boss fights are such a bore. Story and characters are incredibly dull. Combat is so terribly repetitive and easy. No strategy involvement, barely any traditional rpg elements. If you're defending this game, you're either a zoomer or a playstation fanboy, I'm sorry. VII remake was so much better and I appreciate they also tried to appeal to old fans as well. Can't wait for Rebirth.

Welp, they got my $70 so what can I do?

[Snookies12]

None of the things you brought up are factual, other than some slower moments being in the game. It's fine to say the game is just not for you, but to say the characters are bad, the combat is bad, and proceed to say that anyone defending it is a zoomer or a fanboy... These characters have more depth than pretty much any in the entirety of the franchise to date. The combat is also nothing like Devil May Cry, and expands immensely by the time you hit late-game. I will agree there are some boring moments that could have been handled better within the main story. Regardless, the way you've worded your "complaints" are very childish. Using terms like "unga bunga DMC clone, zoomer, PlayStation fanboy."

Also, there is no "traditional Final Fantasy" and there hasn't ever been. Final Fantasy veterans know this. The series has constantly evolved since FF II. With key words, job systems, magicite, materia, junctions, equipment abilities, sphere grid, gambits, etc.

[phoenixwing]

You got disagrees but no real rebuttal because yes the game has changed constantly and that's a good thing as long as you have an open mind

[shinoff2183]

First none of what either of you said are factual.

Second who are you to tell me if I'm a real fan or not cause I don't gush about ff16. I'm enjoying the story and that's about it. I believe goodguy is right on a few things but it's just my opinion.

Let's be honest snookeies12, sure ffs have changed different things while also keeping the idk I'll say core loosely, but it's never changed this much since with ff15(eh) and ff16(I'm in the middle far as the game itself, as a ff title eh). I've been playing since ff1 on nes somewhere around 89 91 ish. Your not gonna tell me I'm not a really ff fan, ff was my favorite series at one point. They started losing me around 12.

[GoodGuy09]

You've played any of the DMC games at all? Lmao this game is a poor knockoff of it, it's funny because I've been playing it like DMC using boring repetitive moves that easily kill enemies, there's no fun in that at all lmao. At least DMC you can pull off crazy combos, this game, you just spam eikon abilities.

Traditional FF is simply this...great story and characters that's also anime like. A great turn based battle system. An in depth and fun/addicting growth system (whether it be the job system, sphere grid, materias or junction). And ofc your typical rpg elements such as weakness exploitation and strategy.

This game has none of that. It's a simple and boring action adventure game that's a knockoff of dmc and game of thrones is all it is. 10hrs in has told me just that.

[sagapo]

@ phoenixwing: I can’t agree what you state here. Personal taste has barely anything to do with having an open mind. If you’re really into turnbased RPG and you see your favourite series evolve into an A-RPG which is something you don’t like, how would keeping an open mind help? It’s like when Gran Turismo would change into a straight up arcade racer, what would you say then? Keep an open mind my fellow sim racers?? Come on, that’s just BS.

[sadraiden]

You know damn well "traditional Final Fantasy" means turn based, 3 or 4 member party, job system, with amusing mini games to break up the cutscene tedium.

I think the problem old heads have with the new FF is the fact that the old FF is so steeped in nostalgia, most people probably don't remember how uncomfortable some of the old titles are to play. Hidden mechanics you need a strategy guide to even discover, lost forever items, and choices that don't seem to have any meaning on the story until much later, in which case you realize you answered all of the questions incorrectly 20 hours ago and you're fucked.

[gold_drake]

to be fair tho, you not playing the demo and finding out how it plays, is 100% on you.
especially if you are on the "traditional" side of the fandom.

you'd be better off playing the pixel remaster.

sure, it wasnt a turn based ff, and i really wanted it to be one, but i thought the combat was fairly good and enjoyable. and the dmc comparison also doesnt hold up, since its not rly comparable.

im an "old" fan too and you either go with the times or stop playing the newer ones, because i can tell you, they will never go back to turn based for the mainline.

this whole "traditional" or not is such a dumb argument. like whats that even mean. the series goes back to the late 80's
if you cant move on from that ... well, that's also on you.

[GoodGuy09]

I'm an FF fan, this is a main title, and made by the legendary "Yoshi-P" that everyone oh so loves so I blindly put trust in that. It's the heart and nostalgia of the fan in me that loved all the old FFs that keep hoping square can get it done right someday again. It's like a crappy drug addiction lmao.

Traditional has no meaning to newer fans and you've just proved yourself right there buddy, ain't bo bloody way you're an old fan as well that's played and loved these games back in the 90s and early 2000s.

[fsfsxii]

most demos give you a taste of whats to come, most people liked what the demo offered with the expectation that the combat will expand beyond that offering more combos and abilities. They do offer more abilities, but unfortunately the depth of the system is only puddle depth. I can't believe they thought having one combo string was enough.

[shinoff2183]

It wasn't just cause it wasn't turn based. It felt lacking in so many areas. I enjoy action jrpgs to. Star ocean another one of my top series, I enjoy all different types of rpgs. I've said I'd give ff16 a 7. Say what you want a 7 is still pretty sold.

How I see it, square sold us turn based fans out by trying to appeal to the masses. They've said as much themselves. While I don't like I'm not dumb , I understand. Ff16 just doesn't cut it for me. Yea it probably is time to move on from the series for me. I'll add though again it's not only the action I see as the problem as I enjoyed ff7 remake. I feel 16 was extremely dumbed down for the masses, one example as stupid as some might say it sounds , using fire to kill fire enemies is a no no in many rpgs.

[gold_drake]

how do you know that im not?
do you have any insight into my past?

we in europe didnt have 1-6, we had 7 and i loved it, i played all of them ever since and even went back to the first ones on the nes and snes and loved them.

just because i can appreciate newer stuff doesnt mean i have not played or loved the older ones.

what a stupid and ignorant take on your part. but be my guest. be stuck in whatever time you are stuck at.

and i couldnt care less that yoshi made the game. i dont rely on others to tell me whats good or not. unlike u it seems.

[Daeloki]

And based on your comment, you seem like the old generation who can't seem to grasp the concept that things change. All FF games have been different, that's the point. They have their core similarities and overarching themes and characters, but they're meant to be their own games. Catch up with the times gramps.

[shinoff2183]

Joffs like you are the reason

Also Get with the time , funny cause I enjoyed ff7 remake, star ocean 6 amazing, tales of arise etc . . Ff16 not completly for numerous reasons. Getting with the times ain't got sh to do with my issues with ff16

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I don't even have a PS5 so I can't try the game, but I checked out of FF after FF15/FF7R, I'm hesitant to spend money on this franchise, even if the games are good.

This game sold well enough anyway, so I don't think anyone at SE is crying tears over it.

[Z501]

Alot to say for only 10 hours. Sounds like 1 maybe 2 Eikons in.

"I've been playing it like DMC using boring repetitive moves that easily kill enemies, there's no fun in that at all"

Sounds like a YOU problem. Not the game. I can play DMC just using a gun.

[Flewid638]

I hate the graphics/visuals/performance but.....this is the best FF game I've ever played since 7. The story alone is friggin amazing. It actually has good voice acting instead of the weabo nonsense of past entries.

[gold_drake]

yeh i can only imagine how that makes one feel, but he made a fantastic game, fk them haters.

[repsahj]

+1

[Vx_]

Boring and forgettable, I don’t even remember most of the main characters names in this one … while ff6,ff7,ff8,ff9 and even ff10 I still remember almost all of the characters names and places .. that is how memorable and amazing ff use to be… not this boring forgettable crap

[gold_drake]

and yet u still played it all the way through.

says more about you than anything else doesnt it.

[Vx_]

@ gold_drake I didn’t day it’s a bad unplayable game… don’t try to be smart on me and make your own conclusions, I was specific and said it’s a boring and forgettable game.

[Flewid638]

Other way around for me. All the other games were poorly dubbed, weaby nonsense. This is the first one since 7 with a good story and characters who dont talk like low budget anime characters.

[Terry_B]

Not getting a Final Fantasy game that looks and plays like a Final Fantasy game while everyone tells you it's a Final Fantasy game is.. tiresome too.

[S2Killinit]

I thought you were xbox only gamer.

[Terry_B]

...why? I don't even have one (actually never had one)

[S2Killinit]

I maybe wrong then. I must have mistook you for someone else.

[VersusDMC]

The change away from turn base started with XI that came out in 2002.

This is as tiresome as people still complaining about over the shoulder camera and action in RE4(and every RE after) isn't RE.

At some point you just have to accept that a franchise will drastically change gameplay styles with each entry. Or be deranged and still complain about it 20 years after they first made the change.

[shinoff2183]

I'd rather keep complaining then accept it. You don't need to conform at everything in life.

[VersusDMC]

@Shinoff

You are conforming to the past FFs.

An old man talking about how final fantasy isn't final fantasy anymore for the past 20 years.

And my comment is about saying XVI isn't FF is dumb but saying XVI isn't my kind of FF is fine.

[shinoff2183]

VersusDMC

it's still irrelevant because as I've stated. Ff7 remake was good , it isn't just the combat I have issues with in ff16. Ff7 remake was amazing, happens to be action to.

[Soulsborne]

Stick to MMO's Yoshi-P , its where you shine best.

[AAWELLS09]

Why is it that criticism is always shrugged off as "trolls"? It's just a way to not own up to mistakes or whatever the case may be. Also yes trolls do exist and do troll things but it seems like its all lumped into one.

[dumahim]

Kind of hard to say either way without examples of these troll comments. I mean, I'm sure there are legitimate trolls out there targeting him, but also probably a fair amount of valid opinions being sent his way that he doesn't like.

[shinoff2183]

Exactly aawellso9

[Levii_92]

While i don't think it's terrible or anything i don't think it's good. FF16 is the definition of what it feels like to be wasting your time and you don't want that feeling when you are playing a game.. it's so stupidly self-indulgent with what makes you do when you're not fighting. The game has terrible TERRIBLE pacing issues and the lack od dedicated sprint button doesn't help that. Everything that's not a hype section leading up to the boss is such a bore and feels soooooo goddamn shallow it's insane. This game feels like it's been made by people in their midlifecrisis stage lol and what they think is cool and what the kids would like.

[shinoff2183]

That was ff15 for me, I'm gonna atleast be able to finish 16. I'm 85 percent or so.

[2moda5gamer]

To be honest this is the same issue with every FF since ps3.
I do make an effort to get into the world and finish all the side quests and main - i do enjoy the gameplay - but there's something very hallway simulator (extremely pretty, mind you) that leaves me lacking.
I will say that at least for 16 the sidequests do make a much richer world with their lore as opposed to something dumb like finding cats in 7R.

Really curious to see if and how 7R2 changes anything.

[Bhuahahaha]

is the story good> or still crap ?
ff story takes nose dive after 10

[Rocketisleague]

Have you played the demo?

[shinoff2183]

I think the story is the only thing keeping me going. I enjoy it

[Rocketisleague]

Consensus is it is up there, possibly one of the top tier ff stories.

For me the game has what I want from ff.

[Tapani]

When Ratchet & Clank games have more RPG elements and systems, and more interesting exploration than the latest Final Fantasy main title, you know something is wrong at Square Enix.

[andron]

Yeah understandable. So many negative entitled people out there.....

[Crows90]

Commenting on those trolls is equally tiresome.

[CrimsonWing69]

look, I get that people being overtly passionate about things can be annoying.

You see it with sports, you see it with movies, you see it with music, anything that has a strong fanbase will have very vocal opinions about change.

At the same time, you also have to have thick-skin in the business, especially if you're the one making the call the do such a divisive change.

I listened to his reasoning for the change and did not agree with it at all, but I wanted to see how well it would be if executed. After having finished the game twice (I have a compulsion to platinum all FF games... yea, I'm that kind of fan) I do not think he delivered. I also do not see that the changes made elevated the franchise in any way.

I do like the push for a mature narrative (though they didn't really push it as far as I hoped). I think a handful of tracks were good even though the rest were forgettable and overused. I thought the the voice acting was good, while others were super weird (props to the "his nose was buried in my nuts!!!" quote). Some art direction in the environments were good like the forest area. And of course, the handful of boss fights that were a true spectacle (Bahamut being the apex).

The rest of the game was maybe some of the worst design imaginable. I don't mind linearity, but make the environments interesting and reward exploration. I hated the quest design. I hated all the reused 5 types of enemies even with some boss encounters. The story dragged on so hard in parts and the dialogue (especially when you get to the desert) was extremely boring that I actually skipped through most of it. I hated how empty every single area was even when going through cities in the middle of attacks.

I don't want to go on anymore of a rant. I know there's many who love the game, but I think when you pursue a different audience to increase sales and ignore your current fanbase you're going to get some ugly words thrown at you. Nothing about the shift in combat and design made the series even better. I'd argue FF7 Remake is the direction modern FF games should go if you ABSOLUTELY refuse to return to turn-based. Which makes 16 even more jarring to me that another entry in the series did the modern take much better and gave a balance of things old-school fans love and introducing accessibility to a newer fan-base.

[shinoff2183]

Yes. I'd rather see a ff7 remake direction then 16.

[RNTody]

Don't let it get you down! I am in love with Final Fantasy 16, it's probably my favourite game this year and the only FF title in a long time to truly suck me into the world, story, characters, music, atmosphere and combat - the total package. It's a massive win for me.

[anast]

Too much energy on this stuff.

[raWfodog]

Different strokes for different folks. You’ll have haters of the game and you’ll have lovers. There is no game universally loved by all so just keep it moving and play what makes you happy.

[2moda5gamer]

For those unaware, Online Trolls from Japan can be extremely hardcore in the sense that what would be fringe in the west is very publicly displayed on a normal platform - even more a pain in the ass than in the west.

[EternalTitan]

YOUR GAME IS SUBPAR
XVI isnt even a JRPG LET ALONE a Final Fantasy.
'troll' is the whimper of the weak who cant debate another person 1v1 and hold their argument.

[CrimsonWing69]

Not taking a dig at you or trying to start anything, I’m just wondering how this is not a JRPG exactly?

[Nerdmaster]

Takes the biggest RPG franchise in the world and turns it into an action game with less RPG elements than nowadays' average hack'n slash game.
Gets surprised when a lot of the fans don't like this change.

[CrimzonRaven]

Sad to see what have happened to Final Fantasy, And the fact that this guy dont understand why people are upset just show his mentallity and its not anything i ever will support.

[sadraiden]

Final Fantasy 16 has been great for n4g traffic.

[TheEroica]

Engaging in Social media is entirely optional and offers zero benefit to a well lived life. No one has to look at any of it. It's not even real.

[P_Bomb]

Sounds like he doesn’t like being yelled at by strangers. Understandable. Who would?

Re. FF, I like the fact the games switch things up over the years. Keeps the IP from becoming stagnant. Makes for good marathon sessions. Bit of turn based, bit of MMO, bit of action, bit of hybrid. I’m diggin’ it.