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Starfield At 30FPS Is A Creative Decision, Says Xbox's Phil Spencer

"At some point, not to get all geeky about it, but there's render time per-frame and teams can either want to go horizontal or go kind of deep on a frame, and it's a creative choice.

We obviously have games that are running at 4K/60 on the platform. It’s not a platform issue, it’s a creative decision.

I trust the decisions Bethesda Game Studios makes, and I trust what I'm playing.

I don't ever want us to turn playing games into a math exercise... I'm not saying that 60[FPS] or resolution don't impact what you play, but I don't think we want that to turn into an Excel thing.

I think you want to give the creatives the tools to make the best decisions, and the game will be what it is.

I think Starfield's going to be a great game and I love the reception today, and I don't want to kind of force specs on every game before they start."

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Knushwood Butt410d ago

'and I trust what I'm playing.'.

He played Redfall.

chrisx410d ago

Yeah. Just another PR talk nothing more. There's no excuse as to why this game doesn't have an option to play at 60fps, I mean Xbox is the most powerful console ever, or so they were using as the bragging rights.

RpgSama410d ago

This is not a Math exercise, you should not bring up the fact that it's a 12 teraflops machine, those are just numbers in an excel sheet, the option to play in 60fps are just numbers in an excel spreadsheet, they do not make a difference, LOL.

The mental gymnastics of "Good Guy Phil" are amazing.

EvertonFC410d ago

Agreed, I find it funny how lots of the Xbox YouTube influencers have said there playing Starfield on PC yet they've been saying Xbox is back baby on there respective channels yet there playing it in on PC 😂🤣

darthv72410d ago

40fps would be a nice trade off... if it supported 120hz output.

dumahim410d ago

Has there been any Xbox 40fps games yet? I mean, meant to run that, on purpose.

Army_of_Darkness410d ago

Everyone stfu. Xbox finally has an exclusive. Let them enjoy the moment.

Profchaos410d ago

It's sad to not see more of a push to a 40 fps minimum it's barely any sacrifice to fidelity but it's infinitely more playable and provides vrr owners current and future a way to further boost the performance of the game.

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Sonic1881410d ago (Edited 410d ago )

Didn't the Xbox fans shit on Zelda for being locked in 30fps? Now they're cool with Starfield being locked in 30fps. Let that sync in for a second 😂 when Zelda tears of the kingdom wins GOTY hopefully they won't complain that a game in 30fps wins the award

Jin_Sakai410d ago (Edited 410d ago )

Zelda is on an outdated relic while Starfield is on a powerful 12TF console. There simply no excuse for not having a 60fps performance mode option.

And 60fps would just make GOTY contender TotK an even better experience.

Sonic1881410d ago

Bethesda game engine is also an outdated Relic. They been using that engine since Skyrim

Rdeal410d ago

Redfall was in production before they bought them and they are not going to scrap it when they can just stick it on gamepass

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-Foxtrot410d ago (Edited 410d ago )

No one would really give a shit if he wasn’t going over the top with PR about the worlds most powerful console and how it can easily handle 60fps back when the console launched

Once again Phil’s PR bullshit comes back and bites him on the arse, if he shut his mouth more then this wouldn’t be a huge deal

IMissJimRyan410d ago

If you write your logic in a way that it needs more than 16,6ms there's no room for 60fps even if you made it 240p. Those games made with Gamebryo are the most interactive ow games out there. I think there's no other engine that tracks every object you move.

Maybe they just keep adding to the logic side of the engine and reached the limit of what Xbox Series is capable of doing in terms of CPU in 16,6ms.

darthv72410d ago (Edited 410d ago )

for the type of game it is (space exploration), 30 sounds like it will be offering the ideal experience as it relates to the various weight and gravity differences each world may hold.

back here on earth, 60 is more for racing, fighting and competitive shooters... this isnt any of those.

IMissJimRyan410d ago

It's not ideal, but it's what the cpu of these consoles are capable of. In a good pc I can't see any problem for this game running at 60fps or more.

Consoles have their limitations and CPU is always an issue.

P_Bomb410d ago (Edited 410d ago )

30 is ideal for Space exploration? The Mass Effect Legendary Edition @ 60/120 begs to differ.

“back here on earth, 60 is more for racing, fighting and competitive shooters... this isnt any of those.”

I’m on earth lol, and greatly appreciate 60 for all my action, adventure, platforming, rpg needs. TLOU Remake, Spider-man Remastered, DCUO, FF14. Hell, Sly Cooper. They all had one thing in common. 60 > 30.

Redgrave410d ago

I have seen some real reaches in my time for people to put their preference at the forefront, but "30fps more accurately represents the alien planets, whereas 60fps is more of an earth exclusive frame rate" is by long and far at the top.

We might have to preserve this comment by darthv72 for the Museum of Desperate Fanboyism because they have put out something truly special here.

LonDonE410d ago (Edited 410d ago )

@darthv72 dude stop accepting this crap, phil can go suck a ...... go replay fallout 4 or skyrim at 60fps on your series x and tell me it dont make a massive difference even on the gambryo engine or whatever hell its called.. playing oblivion and skyrim and fallout 4 at 60+fps is an incredible experience... and is how starfield should be... no reason at all to force us to play it at 4k whilst sacrificing framerate when we all know what skyrim used to play like on 360/ps3... was a terrible experience and constantly below a stable 30fps.

we deserve better, i love tod howard games but if i didnt have gaming pc i would of just not bought the game and would of played it on next gen when they eventually re-released it at 60fps...
We need to stop cutting bethesda and ms so much slack, phill and team xbox are a laughing stock at the moment and they give no shizzle for the loyal xbox gamers who spend £500 on a so called premium console
They need to give us the option to turn off the real time global illumination and other settings, i would prefer baked in lighting if it gives me 60fps.

FinalFantasyFanatic410d ago

I don't even have words for this, you can have a nice smooth jump around in space at 60fps or a choppy jump in space at 30fps, this game does have shooting too, doesn't it? Big reach.

anast409d ago

This isn't a real comment. Or is it?

sinspirit409d ago

@Darth

Wait.. 30 sounds ideal because it relates to various weight and gravity differences. How does this make any sense at all?

In no way in any game ever does 30 make more sense in a technical or realistic sense over 60. Reality is not 30fps. Physics don't make as much sense in 30fps. 30fps is a tradeoff either because of hardware limitation or developer limitation. It's not a design choice for the sake of design.

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SullysCigar410d ago

Phil: "I don't ever want us to turn playing games into a math exercise..."
Also Phil: "12 TERAFLOPS BABY!!"

RpgSama410d ago (Edited 410d ago )

Numbers do not matter, they are just stuff that's in an excel sheet, stuff like if it's 4K, or frame rate, how much it reviews for, metacritic average, those are things that just go on an excel sheet, LOL.

You cannot make this up.

EvertonFC410d ago (Edited 410d ago )

I bet Phil's really regretting the series S, unfortunately they can't go back on that without a massive unrecoverable backlash from series S fans which lets face it are about 65% if sales.
They've well and truly messed up this gen with the introduction of the series S.
I wonder if they heard about the PS5 digital and thought playstation were going to have a playstation S but it's backfired ?

MWeaver589410d ago

I think it's far simpler.

For years they've tried to make Xbox the affordable/accessible option. This is why last generation they released a digital only console, there is Xbox All Access, and it has been a talking point for a while. It makes sense that a $300 console with Game Pass would be appealing to a lot of people, especially those who can't drop $500 on a Series X (that's a difference equal to two years of Game Pass at MSRP!).

The problem is, while it makes sense in terms of marketing, it doesn't translate particularly well for things like performance. It's one of those things where someone notices a potential market, doesn't calculate all the negatives of going there, and then discovers why said market exists.

TiredGamer410d ago

Agree that the Series S was a short-sighted decision to try to get a "leg-up" on early console sales. Even today, we don't know the breakout of X vs S console sales, which does and will play a role in decisions being made. While the chip shortages of 2021 ravaged sales for the Series X and PS5, MS was able to ride along with continuous availability of Series S. But in the end, we now have a technically fragmented generational pool right from the start.

Rdeal410d ago

They are regretting so much they made another one. You do realise it probably their best selling console

Lightning77410d ago

Tell me why it's only been Bethesda games that are 30 frames and the rest of the studios hit 60 fps then?

maniacmayhem410d ago

You guys seriously deal with strawman arguments, a developer making a creative decision doesn't take away the specs on the Xbox Series still being more powerful than the competition.

-Foxtrot410d ago

You're missing the point

This is not a big deal, who cares, the game looks promising

The issue is Phil's over the top 24/7 PR from the past is now biting him on the ass because it now LOOKS like a big deal based on his past comments about the Xbox Series X hardware and stance on 60fps.

maniacmayhem410d ago

"The issue is Phil's over the top 24/7 PR"

So Phil marketed the Xbox Series X which in truth and on paper is still the most powerful console on the market, but because Bethesda decided to make a game that is 30 fps this some how invalidates what Phil said?

You have to realize how ridiculous that sounds.

You guys over sensationalize everything Phil says and turn into an unnecessary debacle.

-Foxtrot410d ago

...Yeah you really aren't getting my point here are you

Never mind

EvertonFC410d ago

It's because Phil is full of sh*t

Profchaos410d ago (Edited 410d ago )

That's Microsoft when the one s dropped they touted it as the most powerful and only 4k console on the market as the pro hadn't launched yet despite fully knowing that the 4k functionality was never going to work with games just video playback on Netflix.

The only reason we got a one X was they felt embarrassed because they didn't have the most powerful system happens pretty much every gen they like power but don't know how to design for it.

I seriously wonder where Xbox would be today if Microsoft didn't fund every failure from their windows and Azure profits

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seanpitt23410d ago

This is total BS If they could do 60fps they would.. believe me, if what they say is true then they would cap it on pc at 30fps but no they won't do that it's a total L

Rdeal410d ago

Any game can do 60fps but do you want to lose detail to do it, I suspect they didn't

meanmallard410d ago

One thing we can all be sure of it's that it's definitely not because the game is being rushed out before an optimization pass.. So, you can be sure this won't be like Redfall.

Sonic1881410d ago (Edited 410d ago )

Except for bugs 🙄

NoFanBoy410d ago

Bugthesda baby, it just doesn't work.

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TNS: "We're shining a light on a bunch of "bad" games that may've been left wanting when it comes to their critical or audience reception."

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Profchaos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Good list I've had similar reactions to some games even ones on the list like the order and Callisto

Also I recently grabbed forspoken for, 5 dollars at a eb games Clarence sale and I am actually enjoying it more than I thought I would

Sometimes you just need to give critically panned games a chance

FTLmaster2d ago

Oh gosh, good shout on Forspoken! Genuinely forgot about that one, and haven't got around to playing it. It's on my to-buy-in-a-sale list!

Cacabunga1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

Knack was great ! Had a blast with the first one. Haven’t tried the second one though due to backlog

The Fight: Lights Out was also a game i enjoyed very much and highly detailed with great motion control when you understand how they work, which is what pushed people away from this game..

LoveSpuds1d 14h ago

Both The Order and Calisto were harshly treated in my view. I am not saying they are perfect, but the were both really solid games. I personally really liked them despite acknowledging their flaws and coincidentally, got the platinum trophy for both games.

Evil West is another really fun game that's worth checking out for sure.

andy851d 14h ago

Forspoken was great. Never really understood all the criticism. 2nd best traversal in a game after Spiderman

Profchaos1d 8h ago

Yeah gameplay wise I get huge infamous vibes with its combat starting out as low level eventually becoming a unstoppable power spewing killing machine with a wide variety of powers infamous is one of my favourite franchises obviously it's not the same but I love the combat of it so far.

ChasterMies2d ago

I feel like we’re finally starting to see a sea change in how we treat our favorite games. Sure, we all acknowledge that a game can suck and we can still enjoy it. Hopefully this results in meaningful review scores. Personally, I find a lot of bad games are better if you blast through them on the easiest difficulty. Callisto protocol on the image is a good example of this.

LoveSpuds1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

I really liked Calisto, harshly treated for sure and I don't necessarily think it needs to be played on easy to enjoy it. It's not perfect, but it's not the car crash the media portrayed it as either.

I have said it before, but part of the issue is that there is a mind share going on in games coverage, with all the main outfits being personal friends and talking too each other. As such, there is a risk that everyone ends up sharing in the same opinion rather than thinking from themselves. I reckon that's why some games get a universal bashing when consumers actually like the game and equally, games get great reviews across the board and the game doesnt land with consumers.

RaidenBlack2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Actually, I started liking FO76 after the wastelanders DLC ... it has been my guilty pleasure
other games I can think of Order 1886, Driveclub, Resident Evil 6 (only the Leon part), Alpha Protocol (pretty unique, needs a remake), XIII Remake (after patches), Medal of Honor 2010, Medal of Honor Warfighter, Homefront The Revolution, Enemy Front, Legendary The Box, Faces of War, Conflict: Vietnam, Conflict: Global Storm & Codename: Panzers – Cold War

CosmicTurtle2d ago

Driveclub was genuinely a good game with a poor launch. Alpha Protocol is superb, just a few archaic design choices for the time.

RaidenBlack1d 16h ago

I want past games with interesting setups/mechanics but having some flaws (due to crunch or budget) to be remade so that the gaming community can appreciate and enjoy them as was envisioned and intended by the developers. In contrast to a successful game being remade again just with prettier coat of paint.
Alpha Protocol tops that and I'll include FO:NV as well as an exception (it is popular but features were cut due to limited dev time). And also Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines I, Singularity, KOTOR II and maybe Daikatana.
There might be others which I can't recall atm.

SonyStyled2d ago

I loved Enemy Front. I pre ordered it months prior and remember calling the store to check if it came out that day. The guy never heard of it but confirmed my copy was ready to pick up. Game was simple and basic in a good way. Didn’t have any tacked on extras. A simple mission and objectives in each level. Kind of reminded me of the first Crysis in a way

gold_drake2d ago

The Order was really good. abit short

RiseNShine2d ago

I loved The Order, ridiculous graphics for it's time and a very interesting setting, it was linear but not as bad as people say. Similar thing with Callisto Protocol, i admit that i played it a long time after release so maybe issues were fixed by then, but it was a fantastic Dead Space-like horror game with some of the best graphics i've seen in my life.

LoveSpuds1d 14h ago

Yup, I am afraid to say I waited on Calisto and picked it up for around 30 quid. Once I played it on felt really badly for the devs because the game was really decent.

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