Bethesda’s Todd Howard Confirms Starfield Performance and Frame-Rate on Xbox Series X and S

Starfield runs at 30 frames per second on both Xbox Series X and S, Bethesda’s Todd Howard has confirmed.

[sparky77]

Expected considering how immense this game is.

[Jin_Sakai]

Yes but it sucks. I can’t go back to 30fps after playing games at 60fps or even better 120fps.

[darthv72]

When choices are available, I will choose performance mode no question. If there is only quality mode, it is what it is.

[Jin_Sakai]

“When choices are available, I will choose performance mode no question. If there is only quality mode, it is what it is.“

I think developers should always offer a performance mode even if it involves more than a drop in resolution.

[AuraAbjure]

"I can’t go back to 30fps after playing games at 60fps..."

Haha, sucks 4 U. That means there are countless legendary video games already released you will never experience. Unless you already played all 5,000 of them.

[Jin_Sakai]

“Haha, sucks 4 U. That means there are countless legendary video games already released you will never experience. Unless you already played all 5,000 of them.“

I guess so. I just don’t care for 30fps and the laggy controls that come with it.

[kneon]

60 fps is overrated. the difference between 60 fps and 30 is 16.7ms , your reaction time is more than 10x that. It's just not that important no matter how much you try to convince yourself

[DarXyde]

kneon,

No. It is not overrated at all. There is a reason that competitive games (racers, shooters, and fighting games especially) all prioritize it.

Ever play Dark Souls at 60fps? How about Bayonetta on PS3 and Xbox 360? Drive Club feels nowhere near as good, immersive, or fluid as Gran Turismo.

It matters.

[MadLad]

@kneon

I can definitely see and feel a large difference than even 30 and 60; let alone higher.

So either what you're saying simply doesn't track, or I'm perpetually fooling myself literally every time I'm playing a game.

[shinoff2183]

There's nothing wrong with 30 fps, it isn't gonna make or break a game for a majority of us. As a Sony fan truth is starfield looks awesome as fk, and sony doesn't have anything to match it in their catalog. Shame because we would have gotten this but it is what it is. Now I've gotta buy a used series x starfield looked fantastic.

[neutralgamer1992]

Jin

I understand your point but when done right 30FPS could be smooth too. Issue here is Bethesda and they don’t have any excuses now they are only supporting 2 platforms so their available resources should be correctly utilized

[Si-Fly]

Get a PC then 👍🏻

[Yui_Suzumiya]

How would you do with 15fps?

[Christopher]

Disagree. 60fps as a mode should be a focus of any AAA game today.

[sparky77]

For linear games or basic open world games sure, but something like Starfield with all those interactive objects would be a massive feat to get to 60fps especially considering how good it looks already.

He mentioned in the articles it hits 60fps a lot but they wanted it consistent so they locked it at 30fps, so it's possible we might get a 40fps mode sometime in the future.

[Christopher]

***For linear games or basic open world games sure, but something like Starfield with all those interactive objects would be a massive feat to get to 60fps especially considering how good it looks already.***

What? This is nonsense. Your interaction with objects is in its own mode and not live gameplay. You're not shooting in a blast out in space and modifying your ship in real-time. I'm not sure you understand that detail-oriented things are done in their own space and without relationship to those same levels of interaction once they are done. It's similar to gun mods, you are assigning attributes to things and shape boundaries to them, but you're not constantly calculating their attachment points during gameplay. Let alone if that's a reason then why is it not 60fps when outside of your ship and during the action elements of the gameplay?

Let's not try and make excuses here, let alone ones that don't make sense.

I get development is hard, but this is Bethesda and Microsoft. If anyone has the ability to make a 60fps mode it's the company that takes almost a decade to make a game and the company supporting them that's spending $64B to buy up more of the industry.

If No Man's Sky can do 60fps and native 4k on PS5, there are no excuses here, IMHO. The development team sizes alone should give Bethesda the massive advantage let alone the much longer history and the direct association with the hardware. Let's not forget that Starfield also has hub-styled cities, so you're not loading all those NPCs and city areas in the open world regions. They've literally set themselves up so they should be able to do 60fps, but Bethesda just isn't working towards 60fps. They're working towards 30fps. That's on them.

[sparky77]

Actually I am a software engineer (not game dev) so I have some idea of how these things work. Having a bunch of interactive objects affects how high you can get the frame rates. Have you never seen a video when someone throws a fireball in a store in Skyrim? The frame rate plummets since all those objects have physics, Bethesda games are unique like that. Most other games have no interactive objects and everything is just static.

I am sure they could get it to 60fps is they really wanted but I would rather they get it out and polished then added 60fps later.

[GhostScholar]

You really just compared no mans sky to starfield? Some of the things you said about how frame rate works is correct, but if you think the scope of no man’s sky is anywhere near starfield you’re either a troll or insane.

[Sonic1881]

@Ghostscholar

I would compare No Man Sky to Starfield. It looks very similar to it and No man sky had a lot of updates and couldn't even run in 60fps during launch. It took a few updates to get it to run in higher resolution and 60fps. No man sky is a bigger game now and the scope is bigger as well after all the updates as of today and it has a lot of planet's just like Starfield. A matter of fact you can fly in every planet's atmosphere unlike Starfield. I'll be playing Starfield on PC

https://youtu.be/sMT-Mz1D4p...

[darthv72]

60fps is ideal for fast paced games. This is not that.

[Christopher]

***Actually I am a software engineer (not game dev) so I have some idea of how these things work. Having a bunch of interactive objects affects how high you can get the frame rates. ***

1. https://i.kym-cdn.com/entri...

2. Nothing shown in the gameplay showed anything more interactive than most games out there. Let alone those interactions are limited to tool use and are handled procedurally just like No Man's Sky. Things like mining. Not destruction was otherwise lacking as were a world filled with unnecessary individual objects or physics. Sorry, no. And even then... They aren't doing a 60fps mode even if it has drops due to player derived shenanigans. They are focused on 30fps. That's the issue. And it's not because there's too many interactive elements. Plenty of games are 60fps and deal with that. Plenty.

*** You really just compared no mans sky to starfield? Some of the things you said about how frame rate works is correct, but if you think the scope of no man’s sky is anywhere near starfield you’re either a troll or insane. ***

Hey, folks, if you haven't played NMS in the last three years, please don't provide input or act like it's a simple game. It's not. And, furthermore, fps is about optimization and you think a team of 20-something can optimize a game better than a company with hundreds of people? C'mon. Stop giving Bethesda a pass on this.

[DarXyde]

Completely agree. Hardware is powerful enough now that you can always crank out a great looking game at 60fps. Maybe no ray tracing or fewer shadows and particle effects. Who cares?

More importantly, game can be played in first person, which I would say absolutely should be incentive to make a 60fps mode.

All games should feature performance options in this age, and the game has really had more than enough time in the oven to ensure that this happens.

At the end of the day, it's a Bethesda game and it looks like it'll be a great title of you enjoy those games. Maybe the fans don't mind the game being 30fps and options will come later on. Really, who knows? Assuming it doesn't, maybe the most important part of the conversation for consideration is whether it launches at a stable 30fps.

Won't really know until you get your hands on it, I suppose.

[shinoff2183]

Christopher

Maybe should be but isn't a dealbreaker.

[PhillyDonJawn]

I disagree. 60fps would hold back immersion and next gen graphics for many games you won't get both of those with 60fps. You think GTA 6 is gonna be 60fps?
If it's not a competitive FPS, Fighter, Racer. 60fps is not needed

And you just compared No man's sky being able to run 4k 60fps to Starfield smdh. Thise meat on both game aren't even comparable. Starfield has way better animation, graphics, lightning, combat, etc. You gotta be joking

[frostypants]

It should always at least be an option. I am fine with 30fps quality mode...as an option.

[potatoseal]

No way. It should be 60 on Series X. Dynamic res and 60 fps. It can be done, they're just not good enough to get it done.

[darkrider]

It's because of the series s.... No doubt. It will hold back every single x game...

[jznrpg]

Not really.
There is a thing called performance mode.

For the S it makes sense since it’s a low end machine but the X should have performance mode.

Forbidden West Burning Shores had 3 modes 30fps 4k , checkerboard 4k 40fps balanced mode and 60fps 1800p checkerboard and that’s an open world game with lots going on flying robots, flying mounts , underwater stuff etc .

It’s not like Starfield you can go to any planet and land on it manually you have to load every planet so it should be very possible.

It can be done but they obviously didn’t even bother.

[darkrider]

Up. But beteshda ain't that good...

[ApocalypseShadow]

So, basically wait for another patch for another game is what you're saying sparky?

As Chris said, they were gunning for 30 rather than 60. But if they designed the game to hit 60 all the time, we wouldn't be having this conversation. And Microsoft is supposed to be a huge software company. With billions in resources and wealth. But that wealth is being used to buy something else than help their existing developers make their games the best they can be.

Many games today have graphics mode and performance mode. They could have done it too.

[EvertonFC]

I'm gonna wait another year and play starfield sept 2024 tbh.

[Sonic1881]

It's funny how everyone talk about tears of the kingdom running in 30 fps on the Nintendo switch 😂 and now the Series X/S don't even have an option to run 60fps in Starfield but locked in 30fps

[AuraAbjure]

It's cuz heartfelt gamers care about awesome video game experiences; experiences that blend technical science with art so well it legitimately feels magical. Zelda games offer a magical experience. Look at this educational, entertaining video below about how thought-provoking Majora's Mask is as it pertains to the Gods of Esoteric Buddhism, namely Fudo Myoo [1].

That video by the way doesn't even touch base on the humongous theory that Link is dead the whole time in MM and going through the 5 stages of grief, personified by the Deku of Woodfall representing extreme anger. Darmani's desperation. The singer of Great Bay's most beloved band is depressed and hopeless. Sharp comes to terms with how he mistreated his brother. Lastly Link learns acceptance atop the Stone Tower Temple and acquires enlightenment.

Even Robin Williams said Zelda games are magical [2].

Now that I think about it, I think the five stages of grief do not pertain to Link's death, but rather the moon child's ascension to Heaven, delivered BY Link. If you watch the video you can see the narrator compares the moonchild to Buddha's enlightenment and ascension to Heaven, delivered by Fudo Myoo. Akin to how Odin did not die in the movie Thor: Ragnarok, rather he ascended to Heaven, delivered by his kin.

[1] https://youtu.be/IlEnGbsnnU...

[2] https://youtu.be/09wBn4ux3N...

[Rimeskeem]

Their slogan is literally "power your dreams". I guess they believe people dream in 30fps.

[EvertonFC]

Haha that's funny

[AuraAbjure]

People dream of awesome video game experiences. Vague, I know; notwithstanding, it's true.

[raWfodog]

If this game performs the exact same way on both the X and S, then that is a shame. They should have taken extra time to ensure that it runs at 60fps on the X with higher, graphical fidelity. But, on the bright side, then that means I can save money by just getting the S instead of the X.

[andy85]

No it isn't. Stop excusing mediocrity, youre allowed to say bad things about Xbox sometimes. This game looks no better than any AAA game but yet they run at 60+. If it can be 30 on the S it can be 60 on the X, they just can't be bothered, the same as Redfall. Forbidden West had 60 fps day one, which is the better looking game? Xbox keeps touting this worlds most powerful console but their big 2 releases this year are locked to 30? If it was a seamless world then I'd expect the 30 more. It's not. The planets load.

[Shadowsteal]

No reason a 1440p 60fps mode isn't available for Series X. If PCs can play Starfield at 1080p 60fps, heck i wouldnt be surprised if the Steam Deck can run it at 800p 60fps.

Most of Sony exclusives like God of War: Ragnarok, Spider-Man, Horizon: Forbidden West, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, and etc. all sport balanced Fidelity modes at 40 fps and can include ray-tracing as well.

Not even a mode like that for Starfield? Very disappointing. You'd think purchasing Bethesda would've led to better optimization of Xbox versions. Shame that, that's not the case.

[shinoff2183]

It wOuldve probably ran better on the ps5 had it not been canceled.

[anast]

You might need more experience in your field. There is no reason to settle for mediocrity. This is a billion dollar company.

[seanpitt23]

12 TF and can't hit 60fps wtf it's not like it looks amazing as well the character models and graphics look last gen the decent looking thing is the lighting global illumination.. yes it's a big game but it should be 1440p upscaled 60fps on x
It will be super choppy at 30 all Bethesda games are it's a massive L
Hopefully the mid gen refresh the series XL will do 60fps upscaled 4k max settings

[ChasterMies]

How is this expected? Games don’t render every part of the game all at the same time. Call of duty is like 200GB and it runs at 60fps. Size doesn’t matter for framerate.

[meanmallard]

That's fair, you should expect rushed and unfinished products from Microsoft.

[BurritoWarrior]

fps has nothing to do with how large a game is, just has only to do with what's being displayed on screen at once. hardly any moving parts in this game and this is entirely on programmer and coders to develop an engine capable of such tasks.

[RaidenBlack]

Locked at 30 FPS for both Xbox consoles: 4K for Series X, 1440p for Series S.

[deadfrag]

It's actually very lame to not add a 1440p@60fps on Xbox Séries X.The system has VRR and LFC support not to mention that FSR exists and it's also supported , not adding a performance mode to a system that Microsoft touted has the most powerfull console ever seems off and lame.If i have to guess Bethesda is going to milk this game just like they did with Skyrim....expect 60fps on the next Xbox generation.. Another game that lacks optimization and it's just running by brute force the max and lock were it's stable.

[Kurt Russell]

Yep. 30 FPS, no thank you very much.

[Gardenia]

30fps is unacceptable today, at least for Series X it is. Them not lowering the resolution for whatever reason is also not a good sign.

[ChasterMies]

Some games are fine at 30fps. I thought Control looked too good with RT to play it in performance mode. If Bethesda has a slow moving tactical shooter, I’m all in. But what bothers me is the 30 fps on Series X and Series S. Is this a Microsoft decision from on high to keep console parity? Is this a gameplay issues tied to framerate issue like some of the glitches in Destiny 2? Is this a Cyberpunk 2077 issue that will be improved over time? Folks aren’t spending $500 for a 30fps machine.

[Abear21]

Turn based strategy is fine at 30…that’s it imo but we’ve been spoiled, game design has fallen off the pace of the hardware and it looks like Starfield is here to fix that—problem is devs have already laid down the precedent of 60fps. Bethesda is their own beast though, it’ll be interesting to see what Rockstar does with GTA6.

[NoFanBoy]

I just think that getting 60fps would require more work than they are willing to do, Bugthesda want to release it asap.

[meanmallard]

But then they would also have to have a 720p version for Series S.

[NoFanBoy]

Yeah 30fps for Starfield and a crap looking game like redfall, pathetic. 1440/60 over 4k/30 anyday. I'll play it on PC anyway.

[purple101]

It's clear it runs less than 30fps from the footage released
Screen tearing too I saw on a tree to the left a couple seconds into the trailer (towards the end of the xbox xhowcase, not the direct)

[sparky77]

Dude you are trying too hard man just stop.

Would love to know the timestamp since I don't see it

[purple101]

Not really trying mate. Just pointing out what was there. This is choppy as hell, anyone with eyes can see it

[potatoseal]

I actually think you're trying too hard. Almost like desperation in a sense.

[EvertonFC]

"Dude you are trying too hard man just stop"

Says you who sucks di"k, it's OK to point out issues fella, it's what makes games better.

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

No he is not trying hard. Hell I noticed it too. Look I get it man you want Starfield to be Xboxs saving grace but criticism is deserved. If you want to play this above 30fps then either better hope they release a performance mode for Series X or play on a powerful PC.

[anast]

The game is going to be jank. But it doesn't matter people pay for Bethesda's stuff.

[meanmallard]

Let's be fair, you don't have to try very hard to be skeptical of "another"30 fps game coming from Microsoft and Bethesda.

[darkrider]

That will be even worse when we find that it's not even locked at 30 frames

[Lightning77]

Knew it and not surprised at all.

[Snookies12]

Oof, hope the PC port is a good one. Would much rather have a higher framerate on a game like this. Either way, I'll definitely give it a go. Bethesda games, (bugs aside) are usually great fun. Haven't really been super interested in Starfield. But, maybe that's a good thing. Since I haven't seen a whole lot on it. I may just be pleasantly surprised going in.

[Magog]

So basically unplayable except on PC. That's unfortunate. I've gotten too used to 60fps to ever go back. Even 60 feels sorta slow after playing GT7 at 120fps.

[Number1TailzFan]

This always happens on consoles after a couple/few years if they push the graphics even higher on new games.

You feel the same on PC that you want high frames too, play at 120fps or higher and then drop, you can feel and see the difference even if you have a dip down to 70 or so. A consistent 60 is good but a consistent 90 or so is the sweet spot if you want super smoothness.

[Magog]

I don't think it does happen on consoles after a while. This Gen developers have the hardware (cpu upgrade especially) and have gotten the message from gamers that higher frame rates are wanted.

[Huey_My_D_Long]

GOW 2 was 60 FPS 7 years after ps2 was out...the least graphically powerful of systems at the time.
I didn't buy that for Gotham Knights, I don't know why would people buy that excuse for Starfield, but its not like its competent developers I suppose.

[derek]

@Magog, given the track record expect a choppy experience even on pc for most.

[hyabusha]

For a cinematic single player experience, I have no problem playing at 30fps.

[The3faces]

Exactly 💯!

[AizenSosuke]

Unfortunate news, but game looks good enough to dip into.

[EvertonFC]

"good enough" classic GP standards

[blackblades]

I remember all the shyt talk about games being 30fps and 60 suppose to be 100% going forward. Guess when it comes to Xbox they get that pass.

[Abear21]

Because they care the same or more about PC and Gamepa$$ access on hardware other than theirs, the console space is a small piece of the pie to them. Don’t expect M$ to pander to us console peasants or sink dollars and time into modes console peasants want. Buy it on PC is the message and that’s sad for such a huge release. Bethesda is the one to blame here though don’t get that twisted.

[Ninver]

Game pass special

[Aloymetal]

100%

[potatoseal]

This is extremely disappointing. You can do a dynamic resolution and make it 60. I would bet money other studios could have made this happen from both Microsoft and Sony. This is the first bit of news that really is annoying to know. It actually makes me a little bit angry to know now. I really thought it was going to be 60. I'm kinda pissed.

[Firebird360]

Whelp I'm out. That was the last reason to own xbox for me personally. I'm not playing anything under 60fps anymore.
The year is 2023. 60fps should be an absolute minimal accepted frame rate.

[Hofstaderman]

You will really feel it in combat. A first person shooter needs 60fps, unless they planning to implements VATS like Fallout which to be honest is quite jarring in its own way.

[maniacmayhem]

It's not a first person shooter though. It's a single player RPG with shooting and fighting mechanics that can be played in first person and third person.

What other game is on this scale, with this amount of customization that is 60fps. And before anyone says NMS, that game was delivered undercooked and no where near how this game looks.

[Chevalier]

"What other game is on this scale, with this amount of customization that is 60fps. And before anyone says NMS, that game was delivered undercooked and no where near how this game looks"

NMS did it with 12 people?! Wtf is the excuse for a giant studio that had 500 people?

https://www.xboxachievement...

[maniacmayhem]

@Chevalier

Too funny, NMS did NOT do it, it took years and multiple patches to reach where they are now.

Let's not forget how NMS released with no content, fake promises and a ton of crash and gameplay issues on release.

https://www.vg247.com/no-ma...

[jznrpg]

They should just add 60fps mode for those who want it at launch. They delayed it so much they had the time.

[Chevalier]

"Let's not forget how NMS released with no content, fake promises and a ton of crash and gameplay issues on release."

They only have 12 people though? What's Bethesdas excuse with over 500 people working on this game?! My point was it did take years because its such a small team and it got done. Starfield will already run 60 fps on PC so is there any reason they couldn't get it to work with the 'most powerful' console ever made?!

[darkrider]

Ridiculous. Drop rez. Performance mode... Still remember someone talking about power and 60 frames...

[Hofstaderman]

But I thought Series X is the most powerful console ever?

[Lightning77]

It would be 30 if it was on PS also. Game design wouldn't change.

[andy85]

It wouldn't because they wouldn't have to account for the underpowered Series S. When is the last PS only next gen game that was 30 fps? There isn't one because they always have a performance mode. If this game can run 4k/30 it absolutely could run at 1080/60. It's just laziness

[tay8701]

Wrong.it would be 60 fps, because sonys games aren't held back by an inferior version of their own console.

[Thundercat77]

False.

Also, don't use playstation as an excuse. Xbots critized 30fps and now they have to eat it.

[ChasterMies]

If Starfield was a 3rd party game on PS5, it would definitely be 30fps. Bethesda games aren’t graphical showcases. But if Sony owned Starfield instead of Microsoft, Starfield would have a performance mode. I was pleasantly surprised by how good the 40fps mode looks and plays in games like Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart. If Bethesda could just eke out more fps on Series X, it would help.

[Lightning77]

The S is not an excuse while Jedi runs at 60 on On PS5 and Series X. The S doesn't hold PS5 back or X.

"When is the last PS only next gen game that was 30 fps? "

When was the last game on PS that was as big as Starfield?

So you're saying the game will be 60 fps on PS. So if this game was only on PS the game would be 60 frames suddenly? Based off of what exactly?

You're finding excuses and it's not working. It'll be 30 frames still.

@tay No matter what excuse you come up with in your head you're all gonna be wrong. Todd even said it wasn't a doubt in his mind he wanted to go 30 because of all the things he's doing in the game It'll be 30 regardless so quit lying to yourselves already.

[andy85]

Most of them? If it was seamless then I'd get it. It's not. Each planet loads. You're telling me this is as graphically intensive as things like Forbidden West? It isn't. And like I've just said yes it would be 60, because they always have performance modes on release . It can't be a coincidence that MS's big two releases this year are locked to 30. And it's not as if they are game-changing graphically.

[EvertonFC]

That would not be playstation, that would be lazy Bethesda.
If playstation bought Bethesda and NOT MS, starfield would have been 30/60 FPS with options

[Huey_My_D_Long]

Because we haven't had PS exclusives that don't have 60 fps, and in this year Xbox has had 2 major releases that hasn't reached it (redfall will get it later...but they don't have it now)
There I went ahead addressed the core issue.
Todd says alot of things because itll just work.
Lets pretend Starfield is something so vast and complicated that it can't be 60, despite its following 5 year old games.

[Lightning77]

@Andy Nope it wouldn't again stop lying to yourselves. There's no game out that's a as big as Starfield not one. Maybe Flight Sim comes second.

Nope it's CPU based with dynamic worlds and interactions as well as the simulated world like all Bethesda games are.

"And like I've just said yes it would be 60, because they always have performance modes on release. "

As I said show me a game that's as big as starfield to show me an example? It's wishful thinking.

It's not coincidence it's a Bethesda game. 1st party game runs at 60 frames at 4k fine. With the exception of Flight Sim which surprise another open simulator across the world. Let me guess that could do 60 on PS5 because.. Reasons also?

Anyway you're wasting you're time. It'll be 30 enough said. Again stop lying to yourself.

[andy85]

There isnt a game as big but again if a game has to load it's irrelevant how big it is because it isn't one entity. No one would expect it to be because of all the planets but that means it not having 60 fps is a dumb argument because it's literally no different than any other open world game. The world loads as you're there, you're playing in one world at a time.

[raWfodog]

You realize that 30 vs 60fps has nothing to do with the ‘size’ of the game, right? It’s in regards to what is running on-screen at that particular time. There was nothing being shown on-screen that was graphically-intensive that it couldn’t be optimized for 60fps IF Bethesda took the time to do so.

[EvertonFC]

Cookoo, cookoo

[VariantAEC]

@Uncooked_Gorilla
"A lot of open world games have background events happening offscreen. For example, Spawning AI, Loading game systems, Processing Physics, Interactive objects."

So you don't realize this happens in nearly all games with lots of AI in large or richly detailed levels that push loads of geometry and use performance optimization features like camera culling and tessellation liberally. Games like Humanity are pushing HW in ways you don't understand not to say it's on the same level as a huge persistent open world massive space epic RPG (like EVE Online and the unreleased Starfield), but it's not something that would run on your graphing calculator or a pregnancy test either.

[maniacmayhem]

That's a shame that "how many frames" is going to be a talking point used to downplay a game. It's a massive single player game with a focus on exploration, I doubt having it be 60fps is a huge deal.

[darkrider]

No damage control. We are at 2023 and the most powerfull console ever created, says Microsoft, can't run an exclusive at locked 30 frames... In comparison there isn't a single Sony exclusive that doesn't have a 60 frames option. Facts

[maniacmayhem]

There isn't a single sony game that is on this level, fact.

If Sony can go out of it's comfort zone and start doing these types of games with a high frame rate then we can start comparing apples to apples.

[Ryuk_2007]

Meanwhile something like Forza gets 4k, 60fps, raytracing, car destruction, etc and is one of the best looking games set to release yet everyone is suddenly quiet on that. I wonder why. And please show me any Sony 1st party exclusive that has the scope and ambition of this.

[outsider1624]

@maniacmayhem
"There isn't a single sony game that is on this level, fact."

What level? A game that can also be played on series S?

[maniacmayhem]

@outsider

"A game that can also be played on series S?"

Lol, You act like the S is Switch or below spec wise. Extreme cap.

Now tell me what Sony first party game is doing what Starfield does at a locked 60fps...I'll be here all day

[EvertonFC]

Until combat or lots of animals on screen. I don't think I saw more than 2/3 enemies at any given time ? So that's gonna be pi*s poor.
I think the story and expiration will be top notch but unfortunately with crap enemy AI and amount of enemies on screen it's gonna let the game down big time imo.
If you can get past the negatives I mentioned above and love the story and exploration then it'll be ok

[ocelot07]

Sorry but it's a massive deal breaker. I couldn't even play last of us part 2 until it got a 60fps update on PS5.

If Spider Man 2 gets released without a 60fps option then that also deserves to be slated. Any game that releases on PS5 and series x in 2023 without a 60fps option deserves to be slated.

[Thundercat77]

A trend that was started by Xbox fanboys and now they are not happy when they have to eat their own poison?

[jjb1981]

This is why its better to just get a PC for Xbox games. You could put the game on Ultra settings/1080p or low settings 4k and still get 60fps with a lot of the cards available today. Its really an investment especially when Xbox games are available on PC. 60fps should be a focus for games that are console-exclusive. Bethesda console games that have shooting mechanics running at 30fps have terrible aim control and response. This sucks for people gaming exclusively on the X consoles. To tell me you can't feel or see the difference is nonsense.

[EvertonFC]

Exactly, it's almost like MS are intentionally encouraging Xbox gamers to transition over to PC so they can stop making consoles?

[JeffGUNZ]

Agreed. I made the switch from console, primarily Xbox, to PC when Destiny 2 launched. Just built my second PC to replace the first one in September. I'll be playing this with maxed settings and FOV with over 60+FPS. Granted, I am running a 12GB 3080 and i5-2600K with 32GB RAM. I just pay for gamepass PC and get to play their games and now with Sony porting games over, living the best of both worlds. Problem is, my entire PC was $2500, not even including the monitors, k/b & mouse, headset, etc. It's an investment for sure, but that is a lot of money for people when you can buy a console for like 500 bucks and plug it in. I will say this, growing up gaming on consoles and then going to PC, it's so much of a better experience on PC.

[Number1TailzFan]

You pay for the high performance, and if you only use a PC to game on then that's up to you, plenty of other things you can do with them if it interests you.

[ChasterMies]

There is no way that is better to spend $1500 or more for a gaming PC just to play games made for a $500 console. What you are really saying is that it is better to not be in the Xbox ecosystem. Microsoft studios games are made for the Series S and then ported to PC. Not great for PC players.

[JeffGUNZ]

It sure is. I am 38 now, been gaming since I was a toddler. I have the income where spending that money isn't a big deal at all. I get it, it's not for everyone and I see the appeal, as I gamed on consoles for decades, that consoles bring to the table. It's a complete different experience with PC, it's hard to explain until you experience it first hand. I built a gaming PC to experience games with maxed out settings, FOV, high frame rates, playing games not available on consoles. I play Nintendo games via emulators. I play Xbox games through PC gamepass. I now play Sony games ported over. I get to play everything. I am a huge tech guy and building and tweaking the PC is a great experience too.

Also, Xbox games run very smooth on PC. The only issue I have run into lately is third party. Star Wars Jedi is a poor port, but thats not common. Diablo IV is running maxed settings at 138-144FPS constantly. Plays perfect.

[jjb1981]

You don't have to spend $1500 to play on a PC. You can still use your Xbox controller and TV if you wanted and get a budget PC to play Starfield at 60fps. The GPUs now are much better at hitting that target. You can open up FOV and quality settings to make it look so much better. 30fps for this game is a slap in the face with an iron skillet. People who have been gaming like this their entire lives probably don't care much but once they actually give it a try it's totally worth it. It's as simple as choosing your GPU based on your monitor resolution and fps target.

[LonDonE]

@JeffGUNZ
Agreed 100%, i will be playing this on my monster rig maxed out, but i wont lie and will admit this 30fps only sucks.. i love all my consoles and all three of the big companies as i work for the government and work in IT, i am 40 and have been gaming since i was 7 yrs old... i love to spend money on all platforms and support this hobby i love so much.. but xbox fans need to speak up and not accept this bs from Microsoft.

Nothing in starfield looks so incredible, there is no reason why they cant tone down settings and run it at 1080p60fps on series x.. a premium console. Nothing on xbox has blown me away like sony exclusives all running at a solid 60fps.. so ms can go shove it. I will play this on my pc from game pass and more and more ms are pushing me to pc which probably is what they want...

Whilst i am fortunate enough to have a very well paying job and able to buy all platforms, not everyone can and so those xbox fans deserve much much better then what ms has been giving them.. like Jesus Christ your one of the richest companies in the world with the so called most powerful console in the world.... show us how you flex that muscle... lazy ass programming is what it is..

I call it how it is, i support all the companies, no fanboy here, as the true core gamer is the all platform gamer but ms needs to be crucified for this.. like why did i bother buying a series x?

[jambola]

"claims"
not confirms

[Magog]

Definitely not locked at 30fps better to say capped at 30fps.

[Destiny1080]

was there any good news at the show

[Magog]

Cyberpunk looked great. I'll be picking it up for PS5. 👍

[RupeeHoarder]

There were a slew of good things at this show:

1) Fable is coming, some time.
2) Hellblade 2 is coming, some time in 2024.
3) Forza Motorsport requires online connectivity
4) Avowed is paying homage to 2012
5) Starfield will be as smooth as Tears of the Kingdom
6) More Flight Simulator, Fallout 76, Overwatch 2, Sea of Thieves
7) A Black Series S to ship with unsold Series X controllers
8) Perfect Dark is perfectly in the dark.

If this didn't get you excited, I'm not sure what will.

[RupeeHoarder]

LOL why should the Series S ship with Series X controllers? Quit rage typing bro, you're making no sense.
------

It was a joke.... although it makes you think.

[VariantAEC]

"3) Forza Motorsport requires online connectivity"
Where was this confirmed?

[ufo8mycat]

The difference in talent between developers in this industry is baffling. 30fps? For a game that doesn’t even look that good? If only this was on PS5 and developed by a talented dev team.

[JeffGUNZ]

"for a game that doesn't even look that good" my god the trolls are laughable. I game on PC, so I have Zero desire for this childish console fanboy nonsense, but to watch that event and think Starfield doesn't look very good is just laughable.

[derek]

Bethesda have never been technically proficient which sucks for xbox console players. At least for pc the mods will go to work on day one correcting the rough edges we know it will have. Xbox players will still have what looks to be xboxes first stand out game of the generation when it launches. Be happy for our xbox brethren.

[Elda]

Though I don't have a big interest in Starfield, not having the option to run the AAA game at 60 fps on the Series X is ridiculous.

[Abear21]

Houston… we have a problem. Seriously though, we’ve been spoiled by 60fps this gen and it’s gonna be tough going back, especially in tight gameplay moments when it is most needed. Performance mode is apparently console pandering now, so as they say, play it on PC.

[DivineHand125]

This is unacceptable. Just like how Xbox mandates that any game being released on series X must also have a series S version, they need to mandate that all first party games must launch with a 60 FPS mode on series X. I don't care if the resolution is 1080P, it must favor performance.

I remember playing fidelity mode on some games and when I switched to performance mode, it felt like a different game. The smoother animation and rendering made the game feel more graphically superior.

It feels like under the huge Xbox tent, only Turn 10 is trying to wow it's fanbase.

[talocaca]

They had a 45 minute video but casually forgot to mention that 😅

[Mr Logic]

No 60fps on console, got it. But why is there not a 40fps mode to split the difference between 30 and 60?

[S2Killinit]

30 fps is unexpected on series x.

[shadowT]

"60fps will be the standard output, but the architecture allows us to support up to 120fps.", Aaron Greenberg, VP, Xbox Games Marketing at Microsoft

[sagapo]

If it’s a rocksolid 30fps, it might be ok but still… not having a 60fps option nowadays 🤷‍♂️

[lellkay]

30fps is such a moodkill.
Game looks good though.

[gold_drake]

i mean even the trailer had tearing in it so im not surprised.

but its definitely a blow. especially after they hyped it up to no end.

[StarkR3ality]

The game is one of the best things I've seen at a showcase in years, and you've got people here complaining that it's at 30fps.

Overall I'd say that's the best Xbox showcase since the 360 days, if you Ponies are genuinely complaining about what was shown I'd take a look in the mirror.

Since I have all platforms I'm eating good every year 😁

[JeffGUNZ]

I'm a PC gamer. I couldn't care less about consoles and fanboy nonsense. With that said, Starfield is the only game this generation, and in a very long time that left me in awe. The scope of this game looks insane. From that show, it looks incredible. I really hope they pull it off. I will be playing this game maxed out everything well over 60fps on my pc, but its laughable that people are trying to downplay this game because it's 30FPS. It's a single player rpg game, it's not a competitive shooter. As long as it's stable, it will be fine.

[StarkR3ality]

It's because of jealousy pal simple as that, Playstation Fanboys have been beating the no games moniker round the head of Xbox.

Now they have a game that looks better than anything that's currently on offer at playstation, they are crying about it.

I'm like you though I have all 3 platforms, I just find it funny how people can't just appreciate games as a media and have to pick sides, it's a joke.

[LonDonE]

@JeffGUNZ
No dude stop making excuses.. you already said your playing this on your pc at 60fps.... so this does not effect you! however it does effect those loyal xbox fans who forked out more money for the series x the supposed most powerful console on earth!! yet nothing on the x looks as good and performs as good as sony exclusives..
Don't talk nonsense, stop accepting ms giving their most loyal fans BS to eat.

I will be playing this on my gaming rig just like you maxed out but loyal xbox fans are being treated like they don't matter, where is the most power full console with the best games?
In this case i may as well skip the next xbox and stick to my gaming pc.... i buy all platforms as i love this hobby and love to support these great creators but ms is taking the biscuit now.

Yes the game looks phenomenal but if it can run 4k, on series x, there is no reason why it cant run 1080p60fps.. no reason at all... if ms think i will by a series x pro they are crazy!! they need to support the core gamers and give us 60fps like they promised on the worlds most powerful console... ye right my ass

[StarkR3ality]

@londone

Mate you don't know what you're talking about. Res helps sometimes but as recent releases have shown, it's the CPU and VRAM that's bottlenecking most games now. Lowering resolution does little to effect that.

Plus I'd choose 4k30fps over 1080p anyday of the week on my 65" LG C1, 1080p looks gash at that screen size.

[JeffGUNZ]

@lone

I am not making excuses. I was tired of gaming on consoles and wanted more out of it, so I built a PC. I could care less about MS or it's games on the console with how they perform. If people aren't happy, then either leave Xbox or build a PC. Crying over it on forums isn't going to change it. I haven't played Starfied so I can't tell you that it should be running at 60fps or not. But, people on here are acting like they are armchair game developers and saying Xbox can magically flip a switch to make it run at 4k 60fps lol. My main issue with people here is that they act like 30fps on consoles results in a bad game. The same FPS that was standard on some of the best games ever made. To think that Starfield will be bad on console because it runs on 30fps is comical. If you love gaming and game on every platform (which is weird you'd buy an xbox with a gaming rig), then you have to see the agenda on this site. PS fans looking for any reason to poo on this game. It's pathetic. I have zero loyalty to any corporation, I just want to game. But it is clear as day that this is pure trolling by a majority of these comments. I never need to make excuses for MS because I am not gaming on their shit consoles. I spent the investment to game on a high end gaming PC.

[sniperdx]

why lock it when they say it sometimes hits 60 at the 4k res. why not give the player the option to choose 4k 30 or dynamic res to hit 60 most of the time. This is why i play most games on my pc because i can choose 4k what ever my pc can run it at or lower the res or other settings to hit that framerate im aiming for.

[Kekewei]

MS is not even trying, at least give us 40fps mode.

[ocelot07]

30fps are you kidding me?????? What a load of arse.

If it truly takes stupidly speced pc components. Then I much rather play this at 720p 60fps on pc.

Can't they offer a like a 40fps most likes of Sony does with spider man and ratchet and clank?

Was hoping to play this on the S. Didn't care if it was at 900p as long as it was at 60fps that would of been fine for me.

[JeffGUNZ]

Recommended specs are on steam, not too bad. I think it's like a 10th gen intel and 2080 rtx. I'm running 12th gen intel and 3080 12gb, 32 ram, at 1440p. Should easy be well above 60fps.

[ocelot07]

I have a 3070 ti and a ryzen 5600x. Should be able play this at 1440p 60.

[Pickledpepper]

I can wait for this, 60fpa would have been nice but frames don't ruin games.
I still play on my zx spectrum 48K, some really great games on it.
Spikey Harold goes hibernating is the game I'm currently on and man are they hard to complete.

[aaronaton]

30 FPS hahahaha no way!

[Good-Smurf]

This is pathetic to have such low render target for their flagship title, this ain't 2008 anymore, Bethesda.
Added to "It doesn't matter" list for Xboxers since 2013.
I'm sorry but y'all fans are just going to give them free passes all the time like this is no wonder why they don't feel the need to improve.

[Futureshark]

Dang! and it was all going so well too.

Well that there's the massive disappointment for Starfield, Xbox apologists can keep saying it doesn't matter, but tentpole release this far in the generation stymied at 30fps on the Series X, seriously??

Classic Spencer by the way passing the buck when asked this earlier, saying he would get back to confirm the frame rate. Pass that hot potato onto Todd Howard more like.

[darkrider]

Yeah. I Dont even understand why. But they can't accept that is bad, very bad. And it will blow up even more if this game isn't locked at 30 frames and by that trailer it isn't. The open world talk doesn't work because there are plenty of 60 frames games., that have much more action and enemies in screen

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

60fps should always be the absolute minimum standard going forward. Very dissapointing. Guess I'll have to play it on PC.

[Fonsecap]

30 FPS even on series X is a bit worrying, even on 1080p they can't do 60? So at what resolutions the game will run? 900p? Can't wait to see the pc requirements for this, it won't be cheap to run this even on pc I'm afraid...

[Futureshark]

And here's the Phil Spencer b*llsh*t answer for all the fans out there.

It's actually nothing to do with being a technical reason, it's purely a creative decision to go with 30fps.
So that's alright then.

"At some point, not to get all geeky about it, but there's render time per-frame and teams can either want to go horizontal or go kind of deep on a frame, and it's a creative choice. We obviously have games that are running at 4K/60 on the platform. It’s not a platform issue, it’s a creative decision. I trust the decisions Bethesda Game Studios makes, and I trust what I'm playing.

I don't ever want us to turn playing games into a math exercise... I'm not saying that 60[FPS] or resolution don't impact what you play, but I don't think we want that to turn into an Excel thing. I think you want to give the creatives the tools to make the best decisions, and the game will be what it is. I think Starfield's going to be a great game and I love the reception today, and I don't want to kind of force specs on every game before they start."

https://www.twitch.tv/video...

[Viljong]

I probably sell my series x the only game i truly wait from ms and its 30fps. This is huge middle finger for xbox gamers. You think pc gamers with lesser potential power than the series x play it 30fps?? Give series x dynamic/lesser 4k but 60fps. Even 40fps is better when in 120hz screen mode with suoer low input lagg. But 30fps is just that i skip the game. I rather play gamepass games with rog ally then. FU MICROSOFT i never say anything good or positive about team xbox again. Series x is 4k 60fps capable machine well above vast majority of gaming pcs yet 30 fps AGAIN. I DOUBT the fidelity is on gow/horizon level and those games hit 60fps np. This is pure lazyness and ignoration. You dont give a damn.

[poppatron]

Not great news, however I do think the game looked generally much better than its previous outing. I’m really excited for it now. Even with 30 frames

[ThePacemaker]

What a shame. It is 2023 and AAA game getting released on current generation console locked to 30 fps.

Thanks god FF16 has the option to run at 60 fps.

Currently enjoying the demo.

[Viljong]

This is my cue to sell the series x. You say series s can hit 1440p 30fps but series x cant do dynamic 4k with 60fps. You dont care simple as that. And phil spencer lied about saying yea when asked if xbox is 60fps. Even gtx 1070 can play it 30fps but series x cant do 60fps??? You honstly push that 30fps shit with starfield that i can quarantaa doesnt hold up to horizon fbw/burning shores etc. MS aquires zero effort xbox studios. I wont subscribe or buy this sh1t. I so regret buying diablo 4 on series x.

[smolinsk]

Wow that's a big disappointment i most say. The Tech is not ready or Bethesda is not good enough of a developer to make it happen. Don't know what is the truth but wow this hit hard on the disappointment Scala.

[Viljong]

Like some1 allready said it doesnt matter how "big" the game is. Only what is shown on screen. And starfield doesnt even impress. This is another redfall again. Please stop buying studios xbox you only run them on ground.

[Thundercat77]

After all that marketing with "the most powerful console in the world", after the Xbox community made fun of some 30fps playstation games now they say

"30fps is ok" 😮🤣

Xbox fans has no self respect at all! Changing tunes that shamelessly? Wow.

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

Lol, “Strongest EVAH”.

[anast]

I would be more worried about how deep the game actually is.

[Viljong]

It doesnt matter how big the game is only what is shown on screen. Series x is more capable than vast ammount of modern gaming pcs you think people with lesser system play starfield at 30fps?? Its simply zero effort for xbox port. All sony games are better looking with 60fps modes. I will brick my series x and ask for a return. Ive had it by now. I only invest ps5, psvr2 and use rog ally for some gamrpass games. Even rog ally can play starfield 30fps...

Phil spencers a MFking liar asked if starfield is 60fps on xbox "yep". Nice way to make xbox players feel second class citizens. I regret not buying Diablo 4 ultimate edition on ps5. I take money from my series x and use it for 2tb ssd for the ps5. Microsoft buried xbox and the studios it aquired.

30fps for series x this is redfall all over again.

[GamingSinceForever]

Now to be fair Phil Spencer asked there was going to be clarity on the FPS in Starfield and he said yes. Now it is clear so there you go.

[talocaca]

Coming from the company that kept hyping both, the Series X and the power of the cloud....

[Flewid638]

In the event the game actually turns out being good (not holding my breath), PC it is.

[RupeeHoarder]

If series S can run this at 30fps they could have lowered the resolution from 4K on the X. No excuse.

[BlaqMagiq1]

Lmao so Aaron Greenberg lied when he said 60fps would be standard for Xbox games. Not surprised. And now Xbox fanboys defending 30fps is even funnier.

[Palitera]

I was thinking about buying a Series X mostly for this game. Good thing I didn't!
Ugh, what a weak machine and dev. Disgusting.

Ps: Also... RIP ES6 performance. smh

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

My hype for this game is officially ruined. I just can’t do 30 fps anymore.

[Ashunderfire86]

I don’t care I will play 30FPS and 60FPS is not next Gen it’s been done for years with the PC and even PS2, OG Xbox, and GameCube got games that are 60FPS.

It is what is for Series X, and you still got options just go with the PC version.

[Aussiesummer]

This is why I finally built myself a pc and sold the shitbox, now I can have 120fps max settings......I just hope the games good.

[Chilliersplash]

Bet your loving all those amazing ports lmao

[Aussiesummer]

I'm loving playing at 120fps ultra settings.

[Ninver]

Are you using a controller for your PC or keyboard?

[Aussiesummer]

Telepathy.

[Ninver]

Wow

[Petebloodyonion]

I understand why they want to go for stability and lock it at 30 FPS
but I don't see a reason why there can't be a performance mode or a 1080P mode on Serie X.
Heck will the PC be locked at 4k 30 frames?
If the answer is no then there's no reason for Xbox not to be offered the same options especially when Phil has mentioned several times in the past how the Xbox series was like the high-end PC.

Well, PC offers options.

Now in defense of Bethesda, I prefer that they release a stable experience over a broken one and I'm pretty sure that a performance mode patch will be offered down the line.

[ocelot07]

I really hope for Microsoft's/Bethesda's sake. That there is some sort of technical issue that can't allow this to run a 60fps at the least on the series x.

Hopefully it's not because all they banged on about was 4k 4k 4k most powerful console!. They don't want to make the series x look weak by offering a 1080p 60fps option or something daft like that.

[pitythefool]

Really Xbox guys are delighted with 30fps, what happened to “frame rate is king”

And yes you guys spent an entire generation beating that drum.

[paulust2002]

FFS

[paulust2002]

PC version it is then, but was looking forward to playing on xbox. I can't deal with 30fps and strange choice which I guarantee will get patched one day...or modded... Even more strange that Microsoft have put so much work into new tech to make loads of older games unlock 60fps then decide on this

[Ninver]

As I said in another post but got bombarded with disagrees. Expect game crashing bugs at 30fps. Not looking good for the most "powerful" console on paper.

[Flakegriffin]

Thank goodness I have a PC lmao

[randomvoice]

World's most powerful console ladies and gentlemen!

[Father__Merrin]

I'm sure at 1440p with failed back settings 60fps can be done

[Azfargh]

Well. There are those rare times that I apreciate 30fps gameplay (Cyberpunk with RT Overdrive on) looks VERY cinematic and brings a different feeling to the game presentation... yet, I appreciate that this is optional (for me on PC at least it is). In 2023, years and years in develpment, on what it is considered an high-performance console to date (Series X), this is almost inexcusable for an triple A title with a lot of funds and developers to support it.

[Profchaos]

Why not push for 40 and use vrr to push up frame rate for that full fidelity and motion experience I know it's only something that a small population of users can leverage now but Bethesda builds games to last 10 years so why not put something in that will be standard going forward

[siccstepsccs]

I would never go back to 30 FPS for a first person shooter smh they should have bump the resolution and graphic settings to the series S so they can have 60 FPS

[GoodnessGreatness]

🤮 30fps is just uncomfortable to play on now. No matter how immense this world be

[LordMaim]

Welp, looks like its a PC purchase and a new video card for me.

[sadraiden]

It's 2003. People are amazed at how good the new Bethesda game looks. Console players realize it doesn't play as well on Xbox as it does on PC. They complain on GameFAQs message boards.

[PhillyDonJawn]

As expected.

[Excited2play]

Open world games usually run at 30. I like the fact that it's a locked 30 instead of uncapped. I'll take a locked 30 over an uncapped 60 any day.

[frostypants]

ZERO excuse for not at least offering an optional 60fps performance mode. None. It's not 2010 anymore. If PC players have the choice, console players should too on these cross platform titles.

Bethesda is great at making complex games with fun dynamics but holy cow are they absolute hacks when it comes to graphics.

[Jayrod]

So much for the most powerful system in the world can’t run a last generation game graphically wise at 60

[jznrpg]

The worlds most “creative decisioned” console