The Metal Gear Solid Master Collection might not be able to save MGS4

Alongside the long-awaited announcement of the Metal Gear Solid 3 remake - goofball trailer and all - Konami also announced a series of collections bringing back the old games in their original forms, and now the question is whether or not the developers will have the resources to save Metal Gear Solid 4.

[just_looken]

everyone is going on about mgs but no one is talking about twinn snakes on gamecube :(

Twin snakes and mgs4 are lost on there consoles

[Flawlessmic]

Twin snakes should definitely be part of the collection and will be a damm shame if it's not a part of volume 2!! I bought a gamecube just for that game!!!

Mgs 4 will be part of volume 2 for sure.

It's not like other ps3 games haven't been ported and remastered before so we will get it but in volume 2.

[just_looken]

yes other ps3 games got ported/remastered but twin snakes has been on gamecube for years so i wonder if there is a deal for mgs4 to be ps4 exclusive like nintendio twin snakes deal.

So it may be up to sony not konami to get mgs4 off of ps3.

No proof just that this is one of many mgs collections but we never got twin snakes so it might be the same situation.

[Flawlessmic]

Twin snakes being included in either volume is wishful thinking on both our parts but I would love for that to be the case.

I am absolutely certain mgs 4 will be in volume 2 otherwise what is even the point of the second volume.

But you are right I forgot that mgs collection is available on xbox aswell so that does throw a spanner in the works for mgs 4 and its exclusive status. I see no reason why ps users should suffer though atleast give them mgs 4

[Mr_Writer85]

I wonder if MGS Delta is a success than MGS will be next up for the remake train.

[JokerBoy129]

@Flawlessmic apart from MGS4, I dont even know what there is to put on a Vol. 2 other than Portable Ops and Peace Walker. However I guess they could put the Acid games in there too maybe... Would enough people nowadays really want that collection of PSP games though and would Konami even bother making it? I would buy it day one but I feel like most people don't really care about MGS and would rather spend more money on Fortnite skins.

[FallenAngel1984]

Twin Snakes has about as high a chance at getting rereleased as MGS3 3D

[SWER4324]

Twins Snake is trash, and is a bad remake of the first one, they should start from MGS1,not from Twins snake

[just_looken]

The fan remake of mgs1 was awesome they had it finished up til the raven fight before konami pulled the plug :(.

Twin snakes on its own i think was decent but as a series whole yeah not top shelf material.

[Magog]

In a lot of ways 4 was the best one.Its the only one I would play again.

[neutralgamer1992]

Twin snakes
MGS4

I don’t think will be available in any collection. There must be too much work required & or both Sony and Nintendo have paid for development. In case of MGS4 I really think it needs too much work because kojima took advantage of cell processor and the amount of time and resources required just to make it playable won’t be worth it for Konami (Sony needs to step in and make it happen hopefully)

It’s truly sad that we don’t have MGS4 on any other platforms. I would even be happy with it being PS5 only as long as it’s playable on something other than a PS3(best would be that both MGS4 and twin snakes being available on all platforms that can run the games)

[shinoff2183]

I still got my copy of mgs4 on disc. I feel bad for the people that had it digital only.

[ocelot07]

Why? What's wrong if you had it digitally only?

[jeromeface]

@ocelot07 you cant play digital copies in emulators

[FallenAngel1984]

Neither Sony or Nintendo funded those game’s development

[Muigi]

Emulators saved this game years ago lol.

[Solitariussaint]

Leave MGS4 on PS3, it's a true exclusive and that's a good thing.

[porkChop]

No that isn't a good thing. The game renders at 1024x768 and runs at anywhere from 20fps to 60fps depending on the area. It really needs a proper remaster to make the game shine like it was meant to.

[Solitariussaint]

I disagree.

[BlaqMagiq1]

Leaving a game on an outdated machine is a good thing? Your logic makes zero sense. This game NEEDS to come to modern platforms so it can be enjoyed in 4K/60fps.

[Solitariussaint]

No it doesn't. I'd rather they leave MGS4 in peace instead of Konami messing with it.

[Shane Kim]

It's been like 15 years. Everyone who wanted to play it has played it. Let it come remastered to a new generation of consoles.

[Solitariussaint]

I'd rather they didn't.

[shinoff2183]

I don't understand how you believe its a good thing. Games shouldn't just up and disappear and never be available to players

[Solitariussaint]

MGS4 is still available on PS3, it hasn't disappeared.

[BlaqMagiq1]

And yet you didn't explain why it should be left on there so your logic still makes zero sense.

[Solitariussaint]

PS3 deserves its exclusive. Also logically speaking, without Hideo Kojima it won't be good, even a remaster won't be as good.

[BlaqMagiq1]

No one cares about the PS3 anymore. No one. And no a remaster doesn't need Kojima. The actual work on the game is already done. All it needs is a resolution and frame rate increase. Again your logic is continuing to make zero sense. You can disagree all you want but nothing you say makes any sense and that's a fact.

[Solitariussaint]

Actually lots is players including me still play on PS3, lots.

You may disagree but stating your perspective as fact is actually false. We all know that without Kojima these games just won't be the same, at most all we can expect is a remaster with edits because Konami is know to omit stuff from remasters... It already happened with MGS3 HD collection omitting Snake VS. monkey portion of the game.

[BlaqMagiq1]

The amount of people playing on PS3 is close to extremely small hence why Sony is winding down on PS3 completely and tried to shut down the store. They haven't even made an effort to improve the security on PS3.

Having Kojima on these remasters would literally make zero difference. The multiplayer was already removed from MGS4 on his watch which makes the current version already inferior to the original release. Also Snake vs. Monkey was removed because of licensing. There is no way Sony would allow their Ape Escape IP to be on Xbox. Not even Kojima could make that happen and he oversaw the HD Collection. Again Kojima on these remasters wouldn't change anything.

[Solitariussaint]

Plenty of PS3s out there yo. Lol Security? It isn't 2011 anymore.

"Having Kojima on these remasters would literally make zero difference."

Yeah that's not true, I already mentioned the removal of Snake VS. Monkey from the first remaster. And even Twin Snakes had glaring issues due to the fact that Kojima didn't direct it.

MGS4 multiplayer winded down like most multiplayer games on consoles over time but it's easy to implement softmods that exist to play MGO2 online anyway.

These remasters shouldn't even be on Xbox, these are PlayStation games first and foremost, which is also the case with MGS4. At most all Xbox should get is MGS2.

And again yes, it's obvious when Kojima is not involved with MGS because parts of the game get removed or altered as a result. We'll see how these remakes turn out but remaking or remastering MGS4 is a bad idea for the integrity of the original content of the game itself.

[BlaqMagiq1]

"Plenty of PS3s out there yo. Lol Security? It isn't 2011 anymore."

And most of them aren't being played anymore. And yes security is important to make sure people's information don't get stolen. And PS3's security is horrible. Or is that not important anymore?

"Yeah that's not true, I already mentioned the removal of Snake VS. Monkey from the first remaster. And even Twin Snakes had glaring issues due to the fact that Kojima didn't direct it."

And I told you the HD Collection WAS directed by Kojima which means he was never gonna bring back Snake vs Monkey. Or did you happen to skip over that part?

"MGS4 multiplayer winded down like most multiplayer games on consoles over time but it's easy to implement softmods that exist to play MGO2 online anyway."

So you admit that content was removed also on Kojima's watch. Cool. Glad we understand that.

"These remasters shouldn't even be on Xbox, these are PlayStation games first and foremost, which is also the case with MGS4. At most all Xbox should get is MGS2."

Look I'm a Sony guy, but remasters already exist on XB360 which means more remasters coming to XB shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

"And again yes, it's obvious when Kojima is not involved with MGS because parts of the game get removed or altered as a result."

And content has been removed even WITH Kojima as I've already said.

"We'll see how these remakes turn out but remaking or remastering MGS4 is a bad idea for the integrity of the original content of the game itself."

Content such as...?

[Solitariussaint]

Lol, I and anyone else can play PS3 right now.

Lol it's false that PS3 is "not secure" that's simply not true. The PSN hack back in 2011 was fixed ages ago, and it only got hacked because some hacker took offense to Sony saying that the PS3 was the most secure device at that time or something along those lines.

It's a lie that PSN is not secure or that PS3 is not secure.

From what I know, The HD collection was just a remaster that was done by Blu-point, not Kojima.

I already mentioned that the vast majority of multiplayer modes on consoles don't last very long, certainly not indefinitely, but my point is that not only is the online portion not part of the main campaign, the online portion can still be played by softmodding the PS3 anyway. All for free too, no online paywall either.

Yeah but MGS3 still doesn't have Snake VS. Monkey due to the fact that it's multiplat and the remaster was done by Blu-point not Kojima and MGS4 isn't mutilplat which is why it should remain intact and untouched by a team of devs that will likely erase or omit many parts of MGS4 due to exclusive content and references to the PS3 in-game.

You can say it was removed with Kojima but that apparently is false since Blu-point made that remaster not Kojima lol.

See above.

[BlaqMagiq1]

"Lol, I and anyone else can play PS3 right now. Lol it's false that PS3 is "not secure" that's simply not true. The PSN hack back in 2011 was fixed ages ago, and it only got hacked because some hacker took offense to Sony saying that the PS3 was the most secure device at that time or something along those lines. It's a lie that PSN is not secure or that PS3 is not secure."

You missed the point. I never said you couldn't play on PS3. Lol the security measures is NOT the same as PS4 or PS5 nor is it as strong. Yes they are all connected to PSN but the security is much different due to the aging hardware and architecture. Even the way to login and make purchases on PS3 is different from PS4 and PS5 because Sony knows this. PS3's security has been called into question even years after the hack. PS4 and PS5's security does not have this issue.

"I already mentioned that the vast majority of multiplayer modes on consoles don't last very long, certainly not indefinitely, but my point is that not only is the online portion not part of the main campaign, the online portion can still be played by softmodding the PS3 anyway. All for free too, no online paywall either."

If you have to mod a PS3 to play it, that means you have to find an unofficial way to access content that has been officially removed.

"Yeah but MGS3 still doesn't have Snake VS. Monkey due to the fact that it's multiplat and the remaster was done by Blu-point not Kojima and MGS4 isn't mutilplat which is why it should remain intact and untouched by a team of devs that will likely erase or omit many parts of MGS4 due to exclusive content and references to the PS3 in-game. You can say it was removed with Kojima but that apparently is false since Blu-point made that remaster not Kojima lol."

The entire HD project was worked on in collaboration with both Kojima Productions and Bluepoint Games overseen by Kojima which means every decision made with the collection had to be approved by Kojima. He also promoted the collection all the way up to release. To say he wasn't involved is absolutely false. And the references to the PS3 is a VERY minor portion compared to the rest of the game. Many parts is an exaggeration.

[lucasnooker]

I didn’t like the twin snakes just because of the voice acting being inferior to the original. Gameplay was improved but the magic was lost in the story compared to the first game imo…

[Shane Kim]

The cutscenes were also alot more anime, wich i didn't like.

[jznrpg]

I hope it gets ported but if not I have 2 PS3 fats and a couple copies of MGS4 (bought another one in bargain bin just to have)

This is Konami we are talking about so I won’t get my hopes up too much.

[mastershredder]

Mgs4 the one that made people “cry” and had shiny money panties? Yeah, that one was pure dog shit. It can stay right where it is.

Mgs4 foretold what was going to happen with mgs5. Hideo’s focus went hollywood hobnobbing . Annnd enter the time of Hideo’s willingness to blow komani time and funds on his personal interests (f this slimy turd). Def keep it away until they scrub his name off it.

[Huey_My_D_Long]

I'm assuming you never had played MGS or even Metal Gear if MGS4 is where you noticed Kojima had a love for hollywood...its like clear as day. Hell Metal Gear was based Kyle from Terminator. The series is so full of Movie references before MGS4. Hell MGS1 pioneered cinematic storytelling at the time...which he learned from watching Hollywood. MGS4 had too many cutscenes or too long? If you don't like cutscenes,then you wont like MGS period. I dont know what Kojima did that makes you hate him, go ahead, he's one of the GOATs, so its not gonnna do anything. I'm just suprised someones is like I like MGS but I hate Kojima..bait post maybe idk

[shinoff2183]

Must've been hard-core 360 back then I remember all the haye mgs4 got from xbox players but we know why

[shinoff2183]

Can't even take that serious lol. Mgs4 was dope as hell.

[Solitariussaint]

This level of hatred for MGS4 is part of the reason it should stay exclusive to PS3.

[Huey_My_D_Long]

Nah it ain't, dudes just being an obvious troll. Let the people playgames its been over 15 years again.

[FACTUAL evidence]

I hate to be that guy but this is why I feel like Backwards compatibility is critical on sony consoles. They have too much of a variety that gets lost in the void, and people still love a lot of their timeless titles. I literally keep all my physical games for this very reason. I hope people get what they want from MGS vol. 2 but it can be unlikely, especially how proprietary MGS4 was to ps3. They would have to do A LOT to get mgs4 running on new consoles. MGS4 was truly a 2030 console game lol.

[shinoff2183]

To this day I have 600 to 700 ps1 through ps5 games. I definitely prefer physical because I can go back and do go back and play old games often. Went through the star ocean series and second story isn't available digitally. Still not sure why square hasnt put it on western stores. I believe its out in japan . Glad I got my ps1 copy

[shinoff2183]

I do believe mgs will be in the next one. Twin snakes I doubt that one will be. I never played the gamecube one. I'm not sure what made it different.

[zachyBROosevelt]

Kept you waiting huh?

[Nykamari]

Remake MGO MetalGeat Online!!!

[Chocoburger]

Prior to the showcase I believed the IP to be dead. But apparently Konami wants to go back to the well and profit off our nostalgia again. So now I believe there's a very good chance of MGS 4, finally getting ported. They'd be leaving money on the table if they don't go for it, and they know that.

Its overblown how people think it's too difficult to port. No, it's not too difficult, it can be done, as long as there's a will, there's a way.

Leave Twin Snake in the past where it belongs. Silicon Knights made a poor remake with that one.

[Knightofelemia]

Learn from your lesson with the SHHD collection look how that turned out when you lost some of the original material. If you're that unsure. See what they have to work see what the outcome will be. Then base a decision on that whether to release it or not. I never played MGS I know there are die hard fans of the franchise put yourself in their shoes when it comes to that decision whether to run with it or scrap it.

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

Welp, they better try ;)

[Bobertt]

I hate when stupid people say PS3 architecture was "spaghetti code". PS3's architecture was difficult to code because it was different from other architectures and devs had to basically learn a new system and some of them didn't want to take the time. But it was very powerful and efficient even compared to modern day architectures. That's why the military used it and it could be used for supercomputers. That's also why the PS3 emulator mentioned is demanding. The current PC architecture isn't as efficient so when ported you need much better hardware compared to the PS3 to run it. When Sony switched to a normal PC architecture with the PS4 and PS5 people stopped using them for supercomputers.

In regards to the MGS4 with how much more powerful the PS5 hardware is it should be more than enough to run a remastered version. Konami just has to want to take the time to port it. Without Kojima i don't think they should continue the main MGS series so they might as well focus on remastering them all.