Redfall Has All The Cards Stacked Against It Ahead Of Launch

Redfall has been killed by a thousand cuts. Arkane Studios’ upcoming open world co-op loot shooter is stepping on every single rake it can when it comes to dampening hype and creating a climate where the average gamer can write it off without even playing it.

Xbox had to navigate the toxic landscape of always online infrastructure, deal with a studio previously renowned for sprawling immersive sim adventures shifting to online, and put up with an overblown reaction to a post-launch performance mode across consoles.

[MetroidFREAK21]

The more I see of this game, the less and less interested I become in it. Like I truly don't care now. I'm expecting the game to sell below expectations and be an average online only game. I'll buy it digitally for $20 when the game struggles to maintain players

[badz149]

or...you can subscribe to GP for $15 a month a play it there at launch?

[MetroidFREAK21]

I literally only use my Xbox for Apex Legends and backwards compatible games

[Chevalier]

Why subscribe though? This game will be $15-20 by black Friday guaranteed. Would be cheaper to outright buy

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Redfalls issue don't help the situation at xbox imo

[StarkR3ality]

I think Redfall has been done dirty by Xbox's lack of 1st party altogether. Instead of being some sort of B lister used to supplement between releases (those games need to exist, not every game released can be a 10/10). Instead it's been left to fulfill the needs of millions of Xbox players that haven't had a big exclusive for like 18 months since Halo.

I don't think this game was ever gunna pull up trees when it was announced, and it wasn't meant to. The situation with Xbox's 1st party is putting a lot of pressure on every game they release to be a 10/10, less than that is just another stick the company with.

[Bathyj]

I feel bad for Arcane.
I loved Dishonored.
I really didn't care for Deathloop and I didn't play Pray. But I still like the dev.

It's just a shame that they and Bethesda have the burden of carrying Microsoft when their other 1st Perry studios pre buyout have shown nothing. It's not a good situation

Activision dodged a bullet.
Imagine the biggest franchise in gaming as gamepass filler.

[BandarHub]

lool
Mate you know the game is not being shat on because of its content which will carry the Arkane DNA like who the previews have said, but it the 30 fps, and always online what is the cause.
So stop fabricating scenarios for yourself and play the game when it comes out.

[Bathyj]

I can't. I don't have an Xbox.
Plus to me it not only looks like it runs bad, but it also looks bad visually AND creatively. But it's not my type of game anyway so if this looks good to you good on you.

[Christopher]

People have complained a lot about the characters and bland gameplay in addition to other complaints. Why are we acting like that hasn't been a point of contention? I've even complained about some of their past preview gameplay for being low quality and I'm a massive fan of Arkane with this game pre-ordered. Let's not act like there aren't legit complaints, even if you disagree with them.

[MrSec84]

Arkane only have themselves to blame for not putting out a new game of the calibre of Dishonered or Prey, they have a track record and they're putting out a game that looks incredibly bland and uninteresting, plus it looks to lack the polish of previous titles they've made, when people know they are capable.

Most likely ZeniMax or Microsoft are pushing them to just put something out for XBox.

[BandarHub]

"I can't. I don't have an Xbox.
Plus to me it not only looks like it runs bad, but it also looks bad visually AND creatively. But it's not my type of game anyway so if this looks good to you good on you."

It does not run badly, its runs at 30 fps at 4k. Doesn't mean it runs bad, running bad means its got glitches and bugs.
Get gamepass on PC then

[Godmars290]

"Activision dodged a bullet."

Yet, its a bullet they want to catch.

I really don't get it at this point. MS seemingly only wanted to buy them - were given the opportunity - because of the massive PR and HR mess that was exposed at Activision. Now all that has disappeared as Activision continues a downward spiral in quality, which is somehow suppose to be fixed by the MS sale, when there the only evidence is a luck of the draw of things not getting more negative. Of MS's need for content rushing a title an causing compromise.

[TheColbertinator]

You should check out Prey. Great game and very challenging all the way through. It is up your alley if you are a big sci-fi fan too

[Bathyj]

The demo didn't thrill me so that's probably why I skipped it, but yeah I should give it a go. It's on sale all the time.

[Christopher]

Great game where you can explore and get yourself into a ton of trouble because they don't wall off the world (though they do make you take workarounds to get there) and you find things that will wreck you.

[Firebird360]

No 60fps at launch killed any interest i had left in this game.
I cant see how ms can continue much longer without a reason to buy xbox. 3rd party isn't enough.
At one time I was a diehard xbox supporter. Since the release of x1 its just been a steady decline in quality and amount of exclusives.

[kingnick]

thegamer.com

Stopped right there, didn't click the link.

One of the worst sites out their for gaming "news".

[bunt-custardly]

LMAO - Author has the cheek to write and I quote:

"I recall reviewing The Last of Us Part 2 ahead of release and had friends accusing it of transphobia and other offensive ideas without even playing it, taking headlines and leaks at face value instead of having the critical patience to see things for themselves. "

Except here we are with an article doing just that.

[VersusDMC]

That situation doesn't even compare to redfalls...30fps and always online aren't speculation! Microsoft said it would launch like that.

We aren't taking leaks and headlines at face value, we are taking Microsoft at face value.

[StarkR3ality]

Tbh, all the bad press, Everyone has extremely low expectations now of this game. Even if this comes out and ends up being a solid 7/10 affair, I think because of the negativity surrounding it, even that would be an achievement.

I'm sorting of expectating a goofy horror far cry like game that's better with friends, and I think I'll be pretty spot on.

That said because I know people will mention it, Xbox needed so much more than Redfall and Starfield this year, unless they announce some major surprises this June for later in the year, I don't think it'll be long before Microsoft pulls the plug and Xbox will become just a publisher E.G Sega.

[TheProfessional]

Now they're going to become just a publisher? You're delusional.

[StarkR3ality]

They've clearly put all their eggs into game pass.. they could care less about shifting consoles anymore as they take a loss on every single one. What do you think is going to happen if they don't start putting out content for their players and their numbers drop even more than the 30% recently mentioned?

Microsoft keep pumping money into Xbox out of the goodness of their hearts? You're delusional my friend.

[Sonic1881]

30fps on the most powerful console in the world

[StarkR3ality]

Yeah the whole having to put a sticker in the packaging to say there's actually no 60fps is an absolute farce, never seen such shite 😂

[darkrider]

Even co op got problems with the save

[BandarHub]

This is like the 15th article by the gamers saying that Refall is all but doomed.
I have never seen a website go after this game so hard. They have also gone after Halo with 2 articles yesterday pretending to speak for Halo fans.
It's clear that they have a mandate against this Xbox.

[VersusDMC]

They are actually pro redfall.

Last article they had was "who cares about performance mode?"

And this article says the criticism is overblown and people should just wait after playing the game before bashing it.

So i don't know what your talking about...

[BandarHub]

Do you actually think that people read beyond the headline?
The headline is what people read that's it.
Most of their headlines don't portray Redfall in a good light

[kingnick]

Well at least this is the author's opinions (I assume) as opposed to many of their articles that push feminist, misandristic and political agendas.

[Chevalier]

"Do you actually think that people read beyond the headline?
The headline is what people read that's it.
Most of their headlines don't portray Redfall in a good light"

That's why learning to read and have critical thinking is so important.

[BandarHub]

Maybe you should apply that critical thinking and understand that I was talking about people like you.

[Vengeance1138]

With such a slim chance that Redfall is any kind of success, the pressure on Starfield to succeed doubles! If that one also fails to impress? Well... I'm sure Xbots don't want to think about that situation.

[BandarHub]

Loool,
Slim chance?
30 fps and always online does not dictate whether or not a game is a success.
If you have been paying attention this game is an Arkane game and it has the DNA of an Arkane game. The lore building, the level design and the moment-to-moment gameplay. are what should be judged.

The level of hate this game is getting is purely fabricated just to bash the game. Imagine activist Jorno writing dozens of articles to bash a game and constantly highlight negatives.

I love the fact that Hi-fi rush was Shadow dropped and the merits of the game were put forward rather than a build-up of hate that would have proceeded it before its release.

[Vengeance1138]

30 fps and always online may not dictate a game's success but you know what does? PLAYERS do and guess what? The PLAYERS hate both those things which is very common knowledge.

Yes, it is an Arkane game, which may also be part of the problem. Arkane who last popped out Deathloop which was mediocre meh game at best, perhaps the studio lost some key talent down the line because the studio is a shell of its former Dishonored days.

It's so safe to bet on Redfall's catastrophic failure, if this were sports gambling, everyone would get rich betting against it!
You better hope and pray on your knees that Starfield can rebound on the string of failures at Microsoft because if it doesn't? Well as I said, i'm sure you don't want to think about that.

[BandarHub]

"I'm growing tired of having to destroy you so many times in a single morning."

It's funny that you think that. First, you insult them to think that you are destroying...textbook childish behaviour. Go read my comment not once did I throw insults at you because I know how to act in a civil way and I can see that you are getting emotional with your replies....which begs the question of how old you are.
You are funny though, only losers claim things like that. You seem to think that in your clear bias that you are winning anything. Despite dodging everything I said.

"You clearly aren't listening and are just ignorant of facts. SO you know what im going to do? I'm going to just sit back and relax and wait for Redfall to release so I can simply link you to the metacritic / opencritic score to auto silence you with facts lol Or maybe you'll argue that review scores are rigged and don't matter? Some grand conspiracy?"

Do you think Metacritic score will stop people from playing the game? Its the other way around, people don't play game when the game get score the deem undesirable. The fact the the game is accessible removes that obstacle.

Also, you are waiting for this game to get a bad score, aren't you? That is borderline sad.

"For Starfield are you really actually trying to claim that Microsoft most anticipated games, a game being made by a studio they own where MS is heavily involved has nothing to do with MS? A studio that is owned by a company that has a known history for negligence and mismanagement? Hows 343i shaping up? Not so well Hmmmmm, Halo future looking bright? Oh right that series died under MS. Surely Starfield wont suffer similar fate? Surely MS will dump as much money into the game as needed, oh wait they can't because its a gamepass filler game and they can't possibly get the return on investment if they do that."

You said Ms state was bad but what has Starfield got to do with that? Its lear that you are reaching for something that has not happened yet. If you think MS in a bad state then why is the Playgroiund game and Turn 10 so well managed? Why did Hi fi rush release in such a good state? Same with Halo infinite, Psychonauts 2, Gears 5 and Minecraft Legends and Dungeons.
Halo future is looking bright considering the new person in charge know what he is doing. Do you know that it was actually what Halo fans wanted 343i old leaders removed? What you lot saw as doom we Halo fans was as a bright future for the series.

Do even think about talking about the economics of Gamepass? I know it better than anyone on this site. Plus they make a $1 Billion every quarter....which was way more than I predicted. I thought it was 3.5 Billion a year turns out its 4 Billion a year....would like to apologize for my mistake.

[Chevalier]

Oh look Bandarhub has bot accounts voting down people and himself up the same amount! Pathetic that it bothers you so much someone has a difference of opinion. Lol.

[BandarHub]

"30 fps and always online may not dictate a game's success but you know what does? PLAYERS do and guess what? The PLAYERS hate both those things which is very common knowledge."

Player are going to play this game because it Arkane game and there are lot of Arkane fans out there. There are lots of shooter fans out there.

"Yes, it is an Arkane game, which may also be part of the problem. Arkane who last popped out Deathloop which was mediocre meh game at best, perhaps the studio lost some key talent down the line because the studio is a shell of its former Dishonored days."

Deathloop was Arkane Lyon, Redfall is Arkane Asutin.
So the arkane game that you are looking for is found in Redfall.

"It's so safe to bet on Redfall's catastrophic failure, if this were sports gambling, everyone would get rich betting against it!"

Imagine betting that it's a catastrophic failure.
Man take a step back and reflect, you bet that the game is a catastrophic failure. Not that you hope that it's not a failure.
Seriously, your stance on this is clear. You are speaking from a stance of hatred.

"You better hope and pray on your knees that Starfield can rebound on the string of failures at Microsoft because if it doesn't? Well as I said, i'm sure you don't want to think about that."

Starfield will be a success and the only thing that will get in the way of this game are the websites that are ready to post their doom an gloom articles.

Also Starfield's merits and success has nothing to do with the so-called state of Microsoft.

[Vengeance1138]

That's your entire reasoning why people will play Redfall? "Because its an Arkane game and its a shooter"?! really? Thats a pretty big assumption, maybe if Arkane was actually some massive studio pumping out AAA blockbuster hit after hit then yeah I could see that but current state Arkane? Its a mid average studio pumping out average games that have been done a thousand times before.

What is in Redfall that we haven't already seen a thousand times already? Anything new about it? Creative? Revolutionary? Some exciting narrative that grips players by the seat? From what we've seen its about some vampires (that look very poorly rendered and last gen quality or lower) and a rag tag group of misfits has to take them out and the group has powers of their own. Jee... so creative, a hero shooter with vampires, nobody would ever think to create such a unique premise lol

Back 4 Blood says hello btw and that game did poorly. It's like Arkane really wanted to make Left 4 Dead but forgot to include the main appealing aspect as to why that game was so much fun. That aspect being the overwhelming hordes that swarm the player and make them panic.

Starfield has nothing to do with the state of MS?? really? Like MS hasn't claimed the IP as the face of Xbox? Even going so far as to bump out Halo for it on their console boxes. Starfield is MS only massive title for many many years to come, if it fails like Redfall then yes, its due to the state of MS and how they handle companies they acquire.

[BandarHub]

"That's your entire reasoning why people will play Redfall? "Because its an Arkane game and its a shooter"?! really? Thats a pretty big assumption, maybe if Arkane was actually some massive studio pumping out AAA blockbuster hit after hit then yeah I could see that but current state Arkane? Its a mid average studio pumping out average games that have been done a thousand times before."

If you know its Arkane you know what its store for you. That fact that it had to be explained shows how you don't know anything about an Arkane game. You dint even know that they have 2 studios.

"What is in Redfall that we haven't already seen a thousand times already? Anything new about it? Creative? Revolutionary? Some exciting narrative that grips players by the seat? From what we've seen its about some vampires (that look very poorly rendered and last gen quality or lower) and a rag tag group of misfits has to take them out and the group has powers of their own. Jee... so creative, a hero shooter with vampires, nobody would ever think to create such a unique premise lol"

Why do they need to reinvent the wheel?
Its a 4 player co op game with the DNA of an Arkane game. This will go over your head because you know nothing about Arkane games.

"Back 4 Blood says hello btw and that game did poorly. It's like Arkane really wanted to make Left 4 Dead but forgot to include the main appealing aspect as to why that game was so much fun. That aspect being the overwhelming hordes that swarm the player and make them panic."

Redfall is not trying ton be back4 blood. what a ridiculous statement. Did you think that they both had 4-player co-op and have the colour red that they are the same....
How old are you?

"Starfield has nothing to do with the state of MS?? really? Like MS hasn't claimed the IP as the face of Xbox? Even going so far as to bump out Halo for it on their console boxes. Starfield is MS only massive title for many many years to come, if it fails like Redfall then yes, its due to the state of MS and how they handle companies they acquire."

But what has Starfiled got to do with the so-called state of Microsoft? How is Starfield responsible for anything to do with Microsoft.

[Vengeance1138]

I'm growing tired of having to destroy you so many times in a single morning. You clearly aren't listening and are just ignorant of facts. SO you know what im going to do? I'm going to just sit back and relax and wait for Redfall to release so I can simply link you to the metacritic / opencritic score to auto silence you with facts lol Or maybe you'll argue that review scores are rigged and don't matter? Some grand conspiracy?

For Starfield are you really actually trying to claim that Microsoft most anticipated games, a game being made by a studio they own where MS is heavily involved has nothing to do with MS? A studio that is owned by a company that has a known history for negligence and mismanagement? Hows 343i shaping up? Not so well Hmmmmm, Halo future looking bright? Oh right that series died under MS. Surely Starfield wont suffer similar fate? Surely MS will dump as much money into the game as needed, oh wait they can't because its a gamepass filler game and they can't possibly get the return on investment if they do that.

[anast]

I've been saying this since it was announced. A live service Bethesda published game will always fail because of the leadership and a lack of creativity in the creative departments.

[CrimsonWing69]

I have no interest in it, hope people who are stoked to play it get a good game. I never want a game to fail, but this ain’t for me.

[chrisx]

Sometimes, the failure of a game is necessary so that corrections will be learned.

[Chevalier]

If failures are necessary to lead to corrections then Xbox is about 10 years behind correcting their problems

[Workshyskiver]

People really want this game to fail, huh.

[Aloymetal]

It happens...Remember the infinite articles and posts about Forspoken? And that's not even a 1st party game from Sony.
It is what it is.

[repsahj]

Literal meaning of "a taste of your own medicine". XD

[Youngindy21]

People only hating on this game because it's exclusive to Xbox. Crazy how 30 FPS is suddenly playable when it's Tears of the Kingdom. Also I hardly hear anybody talking about the performance issues of Star Wars Jedi Survivor. Nobody is forcing you to play the game at 30 FPS, just wait for the patch or play it on PC if you care that much.

[BehindTheRows]

I'm sure you were as empathetic to ForSpoken.

[gold_drake]

which is a shame, it didnt need to happen. alot of ppl were actually looking forward to it, but its like they dont want it to do well haha.

[REDDURT]

Most people don’t care we will just play the game on gamepass.

[AmUnRa]

And here comes the meme...but but you can play it for "free" on GamePass.

[Hereandthere]

Looks really last gen and cheap production value wise for a 1st party game.