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Redfall Feels Like It's Being Set Up To Fail

Redfall keeps walking into PR disaster after PR disaster, something that Arkane doesn't really need.

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BandarHub366d ago (Edited 366d ago )

Judging a game based on expectation.
Gaming journalism has always amounted to a joke.
If the game is 40k 30 fps on Xbox series X does that mean it is also set to fail on PC too which will run it at a higher fps?
The merits of this game are not being put forward and the technicality which is not an issue at all will be at the forefront of the score it will receive at the end.

just_looken365d ago

They had over 5 years to make a game run on direct x and windows no other sku.

so yes i expect this to run like crap on pc especially with denuvo forced into the install.

This stuido is also owned by ms so they had all the tools to make the shed now after many years its done but the foundation is cracked door wont stay on and the walls have no installation but hey its pretty.

BandarHub365d ago

Misunderstood my point entirely,

"The merits of this game are not being put forward and the technicalites are"
This is my point

Jin_Sakai365d ago

I mean 30fps aside the game looks mediocre. Especially after seeing gameplay from IGN.

Kurt Russell365d ago

I don't disagree, but I was looking forward to jumping in with a friend... these kind of games are generally our jam.

But then I heard it was 30FPS... so probably won't bother now.

BandarHub365d ago

The whole IGN debacle is so over-exaggerated.
IGN was bad at playing the game but the criticism somehow shifted the game itself.
IGN's way of playing the game is not reflective of how the game is supposed to be played.
Also, Redfall has the same aesthetic as Dishonoured, it was not going for realism and they never made a big deal about how the game is supposed to look.

What's funny is you guys are eagerly waiting for this game to get a bad score. It's quite sad to be honest just sitting there waiting for negative press about the game and then pouncing on every article. There is no valid criticism of the game mechanics, plot and design.

The game preview was getting positive press:

https://www.ign.com/article...
https://www.polygon.com/236...
https://www.godisageek.com/...
https://www.thegamer.com/re...

Somehow that whole narrative shifted when a Jorno failed to play the game properly.

Walalon365d ago

To be honest… IGN doing gameplay videos are like a quadriplegic trying to swim.

I saw other guys playing it and feels a little bit good… but the game itself it’s just at least for me too generic and the Marketing team of Arkane really needs to step up too, they make an awful job to even make a lil splash so close to the release.

Now for me the reputation on Braindead AI of Arkane make me pass so hard this title, even on Deathloop are so stupid that doesn’t make sense hahahaha.

shinoff2183365d ago

30fps I don't get the hate, but your second thought. Sure

shinoff2183365d ago

Bandar let's not act like xbox fans haven't done the same , remember forspoken and numerous others xbox fans waiting and hoping something fails. That goes both ways.

The ign video no matter how bad the player was does it change the fact its 30fps

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AmUnRa365d ago (Edited 365d ago )

The game is not running on 40k on Xbox series X, infact even on the higest rig its not running in 40k for like never ever ever...... Its running at 4k😉

Vengeance1138365d ago

What "merits" is that exactly? Care to list them?

Vengeance1138365d ago (Edited 365d ago )

@BandarHub

Thats not an answer. If you can't list them yourself then i'm going to assume there are no merits. Anyone can link a bunch of articles that all vomit the same thing.

lmao 50% of your links don't even work and the rest are just a bunch of general impressions with endless paragraphs of reading. Again linking a bunch of general previews of the game is not an answer lol I highly doubt you yourself even read 100% of what those articles say since you can't even summarize them all yourself.

All you're saying here is "I don't know, here's some articles that talk generally about the game, so go deduce the answer yourself because i sure don't know."

P_Bomb365d ago

Vengeance is right, more than half the links are busted.

shinoff2183365d ago

I personally think the 30fps thing is being way way way out of proportion. It's not a big deal. Maybe cause I'm an older gamer I've been through the worst of fps. A solid 30 is straight to me.

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-Mika-366d ago

MS clearly doesn't have much confidence in this game. I can't blame them because they gave Arkane a year delay to make the game better and they still failed. After Redfall, Arkane needs to move away from FPS games and look into trying something new.

BandarHub366d ago

Stop making up rubbish....what an indication that Microsoft showed that they do not care about the title.

-Mika-366d ago

I did not say they didn't care. I said MS does not have confidence in this title. Im not seeing any tweets or excitement about this game from the Xbox higherups.

crazyCoconuts365d ago

I can't say tweets from higher ups are standard before release, good or bad from what I've seen. I'm not saying it's going to be great, I'm just saying MS hasn't done anything but support the game from a PR perspective

crazyCoconuts366d ago

Why would you say MS doesn't have confidence in Redfall?

just_looken365d ago

I get your point mika by now any other exclusive title would have a add campaign of sorts but this is shaping up to be like titan fall 2 just tossed out to die though titan fall 2 was a excellent game.

BandarHub365d ago

"I did not say they didn't care. I said MS does not have confidence in this title."
It's the same meaning...

" Im not seeing any tweets or excitement about this game from the Xbox higherups."
What a joke...
They have been releasing breakdowns of every character. every week
Gave the press a preview of the game which was received very positively.
They had 2 showcases of the game already.

It has more trailers than Minecraft Legends

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Fishy Fingers366d ago

I mean, it aint good to draw any negative attention.

That said, I'm playing on PC, I pick my frame rate and I'm connected to the internet (like you are right now).

IanTH365d ago (Edited 365d ago )

The argument is not that people don't like always online because they don't have internet, or aren't on the internet. It is because it tends to cause issues. It creates an extra point of failure that, in many cases, doesn't need to be there. You have an hour to play but their servers (or your internet) are down? Too bad. The game does poorly and they shut down the servers in a year, but you love the game? Tough.

Internet as an option is totally fine, but why not also want the best of both worlds? Why not want a more robust game that can be better preserved? It's already tenuous with digital game sales how much we truly own it. A game attached inextricably to servers is one that has a finite lifespan. That just kinda sucks.

just_looken365d ago

@lan

Remember last year when denuvo servers got shutdown for 2 days every game with that drm was unplayable.

Ryuk_2007366d ago

We almost went a day without a redfall doom and gloom article. The cow has run dry on this story.

Obscure_Observer366d ago (Edited 366d ago )

No doom and gloom article can make a game a failure. I don´t even bother with those anymore.

I can´t really remember an Xbox first party game that drew so much negativity than Sea of Thieves (Halo Infinite a close second), when we had articles just like this one predicting it would be a massive failure and MS would shut down the servers in less than 6 months. And here we are. 5 years later and SoT turn out to be a huge success.

That said, as an Xbox Series X owner, I´m disappointed with the 30fps cap myself, but the reality is that most gamers would prefer quality over performance for most games in cases that you can only chose one over another.

I´d really love the settings, characters, world, atmosphere, combat and exploration focus in this game. But I´ll return to it in a later date once the 60fps patch is out.

Hopefully all this backlash that Arkane is getting will turn out into something positive in the future for them and every gaming studio as whole.

Goosejuice365d ago (Edited 365d ago )

To be fair SoT was very bare when it released. I played it quite a bit it at launch, even bought it. But it was a shallow game that had some fun with friends.

As for this game I will be playing on pc so it dosnt matter much to me but there are zero reason this game is 30 fps on series x. It would be one thing if this was a linear story driven game but it's an FPS where 60 frames means alot. You think people would play cod at 30 frames? Heck no. Fps needs to be smooth to feel good. How hard could it be to just lower resolution to like 1800p and get 60 fps for them by launch?

I personally think the hate the game is getting for this is warranted. I'm sure it will be fun with some friends in the end but do not give a pass for this. It will only hurt gamers in the long run if we just accept this

Elda365d ago

You'll be playing it on day one with or without it being 60fps just as I will be playing it on day one as well.

darkrider365d ago

Lol huge success.... Something with 14k playing it last Month on average on steam.... A pirate ship game that after 5 years got 3 types of ships.... I think you dont understand what it means to be a huge success. From a company that talks about billions of player.... It's not a flop, it's a huge flop.

343_Guilty_Spark365d ago

Doom and gloom Xbox articles Generates clicks and ad revenue. The top commented articles are consistently Xbox/Microsoft related.

Destiny1080365d ago

with so many games already being 30fps on xbox, the medium / flight sim / redfail / hogwarts / starfield, its not going to make the slightest difference to xbox gamers, they've become accustomed to low budget throwaway games, its part and parcel of gamepass

just_looken365d ago

They should not be accepting instead wanting more there is no hardware difference between a ps5/xbox this gen but what you say is true bad port after bad port its ps3 all over again. 360 used to get good ports on certain titles then ps3 the bad ones now it seems the tables have turned yet there in house exclusives? very messed up.

Yes i know starfield is not a exclusive just saying stuff under Microsoft umbrella should be showcasing the best of xbox not the worst.

thesoftware730365d ago

But two of those games are on PS5...and trust me flight sim on SX looks and plays fantastic.

Are you are aware that Hogwarts has different modes right performance, quality etc...and I think it even have a 120fps mode..also it's not on GP.

Your comment is wrong, try again this time, try harder.

The Wood365d ago

They're forced to defend against any slight aimed their brand of choice even if they see clear flaws. Its just how it is but they're a key component why the higher ups at xbox haven't been willing thus able to better the brand. 'Its free on gamespass' is often puked out as a shield for the consistency of sub par output

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Most Disappointing Game of 2023

VGChartz's Craig S: "Who doesn't love a good dose of schadenfreude every now and then? There was no shortage of that on offer in terms of video games last year, hidden in plain sight amongst the more genuine disappointments (I'll leave it for you to decide which category each of the following games falls into).

One unfortunate trend when it comes to the biggest disappointments of the last year was that so many were new IPs, including Bethesda's latest major release Starfield, the Arkane Studio B-team's abortive attempt at a co-op vampire shooter, and Square Enix's action RPG Forspoken. Mega-franchise Call of Duty and the perennially delayed The Lord of the Rings: Gollum round out the list of Nominees."

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Profchaos87d ago

I think disappointing and bad are not the same thing.

The article calls out lotr Gollum that was not disappointing it was bad

Redfall is both disappointing and bad.

starfield, MW3 sure disappointing.

But if I was to add some disappointments of the year I'd add

firewall ultra absolutely a dumpster fire that killed the studio.

007 goldeneye the port of the N64 game it's disappointing as we didn't get the rare remaster version and the switch version has very poor controls.

Rdr was not the remake we wanted a simple port that didn't even run at 60 fps on launch on ps5

Jedi survivor Just broken on day 1

coolbeans87d ago

-"The article calls out lotr Gollum that was not disappointing it was bad"

I personally fall on the 'Gollum disappointing' spectrum. Here's why: even though Daedalic Entertainment was hopping out of their point-n-click lane, they *were* a solid group of devs that had an unexpected concept. Those two things, cheering on a dev taking a risk with a brand and the odd-yet-intriguing template, at least made me hope for something decent; instead, it's the reason they're only publishing now.

CBaoth87d ago

But the concept never stood a chance, even in the heyday of the Metal Gear/Splinter Cell days. When this was announced, no one was intrigued by its premise. Fell flat on its face. Even if Gollum had come out to glowing reviews the game would've struggled to perform financially. That's why it's not disappointing, just bad. Had no hype. All the other games Prof listed had the potential to sell great or be reviewed better but failed. Low effort remasters like the GTA collection, the RDR port, and MGS Collection could all sell well but still be severely disappointing. Gollum was uninteresting at concept, terrible in its execution. The result was expected sadly.

-Foxtrot87d ago

Goldeneye is so weird

We got no proper remaster for it despite the fact it was being worked on and it was almost done apparently then the Xbox version didn't come with online play but the Nintendo Switch one did...the Switch...the system where online play is a f***** ballache.

https://youtu.be/6B8ssbyAeR...

RhinoGamer8887d ago

I recently came back to Redfall, my lord...the controls and movement were a disgrace! I felt like my character was drunk. Zero fine movement control. The XBOX producers on this game should be fired.

OtterX87d ago

I think Diablo IV deserves to be on this list. While not the worst made game, it was one of the most disappointing. Many of us had such high expectations for it and it turned out to be so incredibly dull, a slog to play.

Sonic188187d ago

It's basically Diablo Immoral 2.0 with lots of microtransactions

DarkZane87d ago

Diablo 3 was as much as a dumpster fire at launch, but a year later, it became a very good game and was well worth playing. Give Diablo 4 the same time. In a year, it's going to be awesome I bet.

coolbeans87d ago

I was under the impression their most-recent update fits that bill.

OtterX87d ago

K I'll try reinstalling in a year or 2.

I didn't play D3 until after the first year, so I will certainly give it another shot.. especially to try and get my money's worth out of it. But at launch, I was bored out of my mind and uninstalled it.

Sonic188186d ago

That's the biggest issue. Unfinished games with lots of flaws and issues during launch. Unfortunately, most gamers don't forget or forgive that and would rather spend their money on another game

jznrpg87d ago (Edited 87d ago )

Jedi Survivor was disappointing for me because I waited until a month ago to play it and it still has major issues. My saves were getting corrupted so I had to restart an old save however many times and a plethora of other bugs.

Of course there is Redfall Starfield but to me it’s MS overhype underdeliver so I expected it to some extent but not as bad as it was.

Gollum had little to no expectations.

Forspoken was a disappointment but not as bad as it was made out to be especially if you turned on Japanese voice acting. It was a 7 type of game but it looked like it could have been better.

Diablo 4 was scored well at launch but all my friends that loved and played 3 (after years of swasons) up until 4 were disappointed with 4 and don’t play it anymore .

Factions getting canceled was a bit of a disappointment. Not huge as I don’t play gaas much but it was disappointing.

Nintendo not releasing Switch 2 again was disappointing to me. I don’t use my Switch much it’s just so outdated and mosty kiddy games release some more games that I want to play not my kids!

No physical copy for Alan Wake 3 disappointing as hell, actually beyond that it is upsetting (to some extent,I will live of course)

Gamers getting used to owning nothing and renting games is very disappointing. I don’t watch Netflix anymore it’s mosty mediocre crap and rental services will go that direction if allowed.

CBaoth87d ago

this whole gen has been a major disappointment to me. Least amount of gaming I've done since bar/clubbing days. Watching fanboys argue now is akin to a couple of kids fighting over the front seat of a short bus. They can't even argue over games anymore.....cuz there aren't any! With two of the console manufacturers "switching' over to x86 architecture we shouldn't be having these draughts but here we are. And the third happily chugs along selling games on decade old microchips with an OLED screen.

Profchaos87d ago (Edited 87d ago )

X86 is a shared architecture but both run different development pipelines so they still have to Dev for those consoles plus PC and Arm if a switch port is included.

None of this will reduce Dev times games are complex now probably more than they need to be honestly but if every studio takes 3 to 5 or even 10 years to bring out their big titles there's going to be many dry spells

On that note arm processing is far more efficient than x86 I think Nintendo is making the right call sticking with that and we will probably see Sony and Microsoft do the same next gen as more effort is being made to bring arm into desktop space lately

Profchaos87d ago

Being disappointed that Nintendo isn't releasing ultra violent games is like being disappointed that the the next GTA game is open world. Plus totk and Metroid prime remaster did come out this year that's about as violent as they will even get

Im pretty certain that one experiment in publishing devils third is one they would like to forget.

Plus all rumours for the switch 2 places it's release in 2024 they make killer numbers at Christmas if they announce they are making a switch 2 those sales dwindle and shareholders get upset. If a switch 2 doesn't release this year that's disappointing. And if third party's don't develop for it even more so there's zero garuntee they will

I agree gamers getting used to owning nothing is a huge disappointment I don't think many will go silently into that one though

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Xbox Game Pass App for Quest VR is totally pointless but has so much potential

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I'm So Glad I Gave Redfall A Second Chance

I went back to Redfall long after it was written off by the gaming community, and I'm so happy I did. Is Redfall good now? Find out here.

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darthv72135d ago

When i first tried it... it gave me a headache with its frame rate and pacing. The update did a good job of mitigating those issue and its been rather fun at times. Still seems like there is more work to be done but otherwise this is at least how it should have been from the beginning. if it was... things would have turned out differently.

maniacmayhem135d ago

I've heard the update did this game a bit of justice. Unfortunately, I think for a game like this the damage is done and there's no turning it around.

It's different for survival type, MMO lite games that may be light on content at release like Sea of Thieves or NMS, but for a co-op multiplayer shooter, low framerate, bad AI, etc, not a lot of people are willing to come back with so many other better options on the market.

thesoftware730135d ago (Edited 135d ago )

I went back to it as well, and having good fun with my friend that actually bought it for $8.

I'm in the same boat as Darth, at launch it gave me a headache, I'm not even sure if it was 30fps, and the enemies were to spaced out with bad AI. Since then they added more enemies, fixed some of their AI(getting stuck behind cars and such) up'ed the FPS, now I'm having fun.

They still need to add more weapon variety, and better rewards for completing nest and such. I keep getting low level items that are to easily dismissed . They also need to fix some of the interface, like the map market on the map screen sucks. With some fixes they can make it a solid 7 or 8 out of 10 game.

Inverno134d ago

There's nothing to find out. The game hasn't gotten any actual update that makes it worth buying. Just some general fixes, but it's still an incomplete game, they sold you an incomplete game, knowingly, and hyped it up, and lied about it. Stop letting these things slide.

Ironmike134d ago

The gu s when fired sound very weak

Sephiroushin134d ago

omg people still talking about this pos

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