The Redfall controversy is another example of Xbox seeding snippets of disappointment.
I believe Redfall will fail in the sales department it has so many things going against it. It really doesn't have hype going for it as well. As far as the 30 FPS the majority of people who buy games don't really care. How many games out there are 30 FPS and still sell. It's only a small group of gamers who care but those who do most likely will get it for PC. This game was definitely mismanaged as far as PR goes. I''ll still play it because of GamePass.
It was never meant to "sell" it's more about adding content to Game Pass as a whole. If MS really wanted it to sell there would be ads all over the place for it like they are doing for the ABK acquisition. Although this game will likely have poor player numbers regardless.
what content and what ads. its been done with many of their own titles and still aint selling. third place is third place.
So yeah there is this company that makes this crappy operative system and in order to sell it it bundles with laptops a pre-built desktops and then there is this other company whose game houses create crappy games and in order to monetize them it bundles them into a subscription which is the only viable option to use their junky hardware. ... oh wait ... F-it .. they are the same $#!T. Pure geniuses ....
Hmmm so It kind of makes sense that the developers didn't spend the time to make it 60 FPS.
Wait a second I seem to remember some people here saying this was a game of the year contender 🤦🏿and now are turning their backs on it because of a measly 30fps that is supposedly going to be fix at a later time.
"As far as the 30 FPS the majority of people who buy games don't really care." "I'll still play it because of GamePass" That's probably what Microsoft thought too, hence why they're slopping another one out of the oven half-baked. When people buy stuff, they demand quality or they withhold their money. When they rent it, it's disposable, so it doesn't really matter if it's shoddy, besides, they've already paid, so they don't really get a say at that point. ^ Ladies and gentlemen, 'The GamePass Effect'.
You're funny people like you are claiming it's sloppy but you haven't even played it yet are calling it half-baked. A typical brainless fanboy doesn't want to use common sense. I'm going to play it because like most Arkane games im sure it will be fun. Plus it actually looks really fun and interesting a vampire game I'm for it. I'll withhold judgement until I actually play it not reviewers my own opinion. Me personally I don't care about those things raytracing and fps. As long as it's stable and fun then I'm for it. Which is why nintendo games are raved about because they are fun even though they have shitty graphics and are not on par with xbox or playstation yet win game of the year. Games are about having Fun it's sad people forget about that. Whether I "Pay" for it or "Rent" it doesn't matter i'm still going to shell out money for it one way or another lol so that's such an idiotic comment only a 13 year old can make. That made no sense.
@Lifexline Not sure if youre talking about @sully or yourself...sounds like yourself in most of that comment.
You don't have to play it to tell. There's been more than enough footage and having a FPS at 30 just takes the biscuit. The new Zelda looks like it's doing some good stuff that's why it's rated. Remember Forspoken got absolutely slated too far before release so it's not just against Microsoft
Let's look past the positive previews the game was getting and automatically start trash talking the game like you usually like you have been. DRM services not being feature complete with 30 frames isn't good things at all. But how bout we judged the game itself. Is it polished? Is it done and clean? Does Arkane feel they have a solid game in their hands? Is it good and fun? Imagine looking at the game and only focusing on DRM and 30 frames and ignoring the potential good game and calling it bad automatically. Ignoring everything else. Btw to answer your question https://n4g.com/news/254228... Jin being the only one to call them out on it. Noticed how 30 frames is fine suddenly. Not like it matters the game is 60 frames now. Point stands 30 is acceptable if this was any large PS game 30 would be ok. No doom and gloom. https://n4g.com/news/252611... No dooming and glooming just a bunch of justifications and deflections. You already know this though it's common sense. PS related stuff doesn't get doomed and gloomed the way Xbox stuff does. Again you know this is very common knowledge around here.
^ I won't waste my breath on 'Lifexline', because he's too triggered to listen, so is just throwing around insults instead of addressing my point. @Lightning77, you too have ignored my point and are arguing with the points you dodged in a previous thread instead, where you implied that the same people being all "doom and gloom" over Redfall gave Forespoken a pass. You still haven't given any examples of individuals that actually did this, so I'm calling BS once again. As for the point that a game can still be fun with sub-standard graphics and framerates, DRM, on an older engine than advertised, always online, laughably bad enemy AI - and all this despite delays. I'll give you that, but then what was the point in updating our hardware? Why isn't Redfall on the old Xbox One as well? The answer is because we've moved on and the bar has been raised. We expect better. We've every right to hold developers accountable for failing to deliver. And to drag Nintendo into this is just a desperate reach. How many of you will be playing Redfall on a screen with the resolution and size of a Switch? On the Switch Redfall would be a good looking game, but that's hardly the point when you just dropped $500 on a 'next generation' console.
"you too have ignored my point and are arguing with the points you dodged in a previous thread instead, where you implied that the same people being all "doom and gloom" over Redfall gave Forespoken a pass. You still haven't given any examples of individuals that actually did this, so I'm calling BS once again." Click the link and look for yourself? You're trying to goal post by saying "pont me to individual ppl" you never said that before. Anyway all you have to do is look. I made my point and it still stands. Of course they had a whole year to get this game feature complete and it's not. I agree we need an explanation from Arkane on this. It's just that ppl need to focus on the actual game itself. If the overall game is good or not. Not sure what you mean I never mentioned Switch at all.
^ @Lightning77, Absolute BS, you implied it was the same people and haven't provided a link that shows it (just some random links to articles talking about game imperfections). You were lying and lashing out because of the crap hitting Redfall upset you. You immediately reached for a whataboutism, citing Forspoken and it backfired. Put the goal posts down and stop your nonsense. "You're trying to goal post by saying "pont me to individual ppl" you never said that before." Yes, that's what I'm saying now AND it's what I said then - 2 days ago - allow me to quote for you: "I'm not aware of anyone "dooming and glooming" about Redfall that didn't also acknowledge Forspoken's flaws - you sure you're not making this up, maybe as a coping mechanism? Maybe if you offered some examples?" You haven't done that. In fact, you CAN'T do that, because it never happened. Did it.
"(just some random links to articles talking about game imperfections)." Uuuh it's N4G look at the comments section. Why is it hard for you to look for yourself is beyond me. Not about to list off a whole bunch of ppl you're wild. Again look for yourself. In the comment section. "You immediately reached for a whataboutism, citing Forspoken and it backfired." Sure did used a whataboutism. You see you have strong fanboy nature about you so I have to give you perspective if I didn't, you would have "Xbox bad mindset" obviously with your first comment you already do have that mindset. You don't have much perspective you lack the inability so I have to feed perspective to you. Did it backfire? Tell me how come Forspoken wasn't 4k 60 at launch? Can you answer that?
^ @Lightning77, you're out here using all the fanboy tropes you usually do, but it's so transparent now and really boring. I don't need a list of people. Give me one person that said Forspoken's performance was good/great and then came here and said Redfall's performance is bad. Don't send me random articles and ask me to do your dirty work for you. The burden of proof is on the claimant. Don't make unfounded claims and you won't get called out for it. That was your first mistake. Your second was not sticking to the subject and automatically opting for diversion tactics and using your "Sony too" trademark. Thanks for the character analysis you provided of me though, that was entertaining. Projection is an issue, you, know - you should probably look into that. Good chat.
" you're out here using all the fanboy tropes you usually do, but it's so transparent now and really boring." Don't speak about fanboy this and that when your first comment is you fanboying and 90% of your comments are fanboy comments. You can't point to where I'm trading PS or it's games. Don't even go there kiddo. "I don't need a list of people. Give me one person that said Forspoken's performance was good/great and then came here and said Redfall's performance is bad. Don't send me random articles and ask me to do your dirty work for you." It's not random it's N4G like I said. Anyway you can look for yourself since you're the one who wants to know so bad then look. Imagine the whataboutism that I use Makes sense. Again you have no perspective You still never answer my question. How come Forspoken isn't 4k 60?
it was never about sales when it comes to MS first party because they all launched on GP. but according to many fanboys here, console and game sales don't matter for MS now, all that matters is the increase in GP subscription numbers, right?
Yes that is correct. Your point?
nothing. just want to make sure. So, why was the sales and dominance of the PS5 keep getting mentioned as a big point for MS in their bid to buy ABK if console and game sales don't matter?
It has always mattered, but Microsoft like they do with hiding console/game sales has been in propaganda blitz for several years to sell the idea that their games division is a roaring success. If you dont give out data you can control the narrative. Gamepass apparently cannibalize game sales according to Microsoft themselves so that isn't really a success either as they hide those numbers aswell. Lie and obfuscate is Microsoft m.o.
Drop the mic and walk out Badz
Thing is, with Gamepass, do sales really matter?
$70 a pop vs $15 per month for access to 100 games...I kinda get why it's hard to decide which one is more profitable.
I think Redfall will be mediocre, but between this, the PR/marketing decisions, and the release date (four days after Star Wars and ten days before Zelda), sure seems like Bethesda wants it to fail
Kind of reminds me how Titanfall 2 was done dirty, released between Battlefield and COD, although I still think Titanfall 2 was the superior game out of the three.
It is going to be on Game Pass? If it is... It will not sell much, obviously. But it can be another Sea of thieves, with some wonderfully financed years to improve and become a good product.
It's going to fail in sales because it's a gamepass game. Most are going to play it there.
The article has some good points. MS over promising and under delivering has been a problem. They need to have a better manager of their games or at least higher more people to oversee and communicate with marketing. I’m hoping they can turn it around but we keep on waiting for that day and it’s been a long time coming.
Agreed. Time to show up.