Final Fantasy VII Remake's Lead Battle Designer Wants To "Surpass" FFXII’s Gambit System

Final Fantasy VII Remake's lead battle designer has said that he wants to eventually "surpass" the Gambit System that was featured in Final Fantasy XII

When Final Fantasy VII Remake released, its combat system was one of the things that almost everyone seemed to love. As great as it was, it seems that developers behind it are keen to make some big improvements to it in Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, as an interview with the lead battle designer, Satoru Koyama, has the lofty goal of trying to outdo Final Fantasy XII’s incredibly detailed Gambit System.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

That'll be interesting to see

[Flawlessmic]

Ff12 was great as was the gambit system, so hopefully ff7r leans more towards 12s systems.

[MADGameR]

HELL no! Absolutely hope it has nothing to do with FF12.

[Flawlessmic]

Each to there own bud, I enjoyed every ff up until 13 then it went downhill from there.

I liked they did something new with 12.

[shinoff2183]

I would rather them just keep it the same as part 1. Don't go chamging it even more please

[Eonjay]

This is about giving you greater control over non player characters. I think this is really cool.

[DogJosha]

The gambit system was horrible though. Since you had a tool that could automatically handle actions for you, it sped up the speed of battle so that you would be dependent on them. Then it was so overpowered that it turned the game into a movie. I literally got the platinum trophy and the only time I had to touch the controller during a fight was before I had heal on a gambit. I beat everything in the game, including the hardest optional bosses. I barely even updated my gambits that often and completely stopped touching them 2/3rds through the game with the exception of the reverse damage trick for the last 2 optional bosses I think. I'd rather FFVII Remake remain a game that you actually play.

[Nebaku]

So what you mean to say is,

You put in effort to learn and use a game mechanic, and it rewarded you the player for doing so?

[DogJosha]

"You put in effort to learn". No... Is "health below 50% = cast heal" really the bar you set for talking effort? Gambits are braindead tier. You don't have to know any strategy to set them up.

[LiViNgLeGaCY]

Yo each their own. I loved it.

[DogJosha]

I did like the story and atmosphere, and it has a great Cid even if he wasn't in it enough. I would have preferred Vaan and Penelo weren't in it and instead focused on Balthier but I've gotten over that a little.

[Abnor_Mal]

I loved the gambit system in FF12, when everything was set up correctly in the old PS2 version (non Zodiac Age) you could have the game play by itself with very little micro management.

Unfortunately Zodiac Age changed how some of that worked with the job system only allowing one person to have a specific job.

[jwillj2k4]

What was the point of playing then?? I absolutely hated this system I turned the game off after a couple of hours because of it. No reason to do anything just sit back and watch, or run away. Completely removed the point of playing entirely.

[DogJosha]

I got a platinum trophy in zodiac age and didn't participate in any fight once I got the heal gambit. It didn't seem like it was hard to accomplish but class choices could have played into that too I guess. Some games can be a totally different experience based on classes like FF Tactics.

[Lexreborn2]

I really didn’t like ff12 battle system or level up system personally, 12 is still the only main entry to this day I haven’t beat.

[Lexreborn2]

I don’t think people understand what disagrees mean lol like I get it if you enjoyed it and beat it. But, to disagree with what I said since it’s about me is like saying you believe I did like it, and it’s level up system. And that it’s the only entry I did beat and not the others lol

[DogJosha]

I need to beat 1-6 and 13. I'm ashamed I haven't beat 6, but I always lost concentration once I left the esper world. I didn't think I'd revisit 13, but beating 15 gave me the confidence that I can put up with 13...

[Lexreborn2]

My second most struggled entry is ff2 but I feel like I only beat it because I had time, no money to buy anything else and it was in my inventory.

But I’m sure that’s a case for a lot of people that they see things through though due to having no other options. Sometimes it pays off sometimes it doesn’t

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Paradigm system was better than the gambit system.

I don’t want an auto battler

[SoulWarrior]

I wasn't a fan of the gambit system, felt too automated for my liking.

[Name Last Name]

Kingdom Hearts 2 combat is still the best imo

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Paradigm system was better...and FF7 already uses a stagger meter. Gambit system was okay but it quickly became an auto-battler.

[Babadook7]

I am a fan of him. FF7 R had such an epic, modern, yet classic battle system.

[Lionsguard]

I never played FF12 but as long as they don't turn it into FF13's...

[jwillj2k4]

Going from 12 to 13 was a step in the right direction even though 13 was awful as well.

[Runechaz]

Meh just bring back the turn base combat or give us the option to have it

[Vithar]

gambit system was the best thing for the dumb AI team members, tell them to do exactly what you want them todo. no offense the the AI in FF7R is dumb as shit

[gold_drake]

im glad we'll be able to "control" our party members more.

fuck i cant wait haha

[Fiddlerblue]

I enjoyed setting up the perfect gambits but overall it was too automated. I think it would have been better if the player-controlled character was not allowed gambits or the monsters were more aggressive so they could actually force the player to intervene more than just occasionally.

Don't know if a system like that would work for Rebirth unless it's only implemented for easy/classic modes. The battle system forces you to constantly switch between characters and a gambit-like system would make that redundant/unnecessary. Players would just pick the character they like the most and never switch.

I think Remake's battle system is nearly perfect as-is honestly. The only improvement needed is tweaking the aerial combat for characters that don't use long-range weapons. As we get more characters in Rebirth, maybe implement a mid-battle character swapping system like we had in FFX too.

[Father__Merrin]

Auto battling system is great in RPG especially ff12

[kirankiran]

Its really interesting