Microsoft and their hypocrisy shines again, paying to keep games off other platforms.
I'm sure users will say why it's okay for Playstation to have exclusives and not Microsoft. But they'll completely ignore the hypocrisy argument. No where is Sony declaring when everyone plays we all win, saying exclusives are anti gaming. Saying it's bad to pay to keep games off other platforms. Microsoft says all these things while doing the complete opposite. Lies of P
People need to just buy all the consoles, or just hush up and enjoy the one they chose.
These fanboy wars are obnoxious. Leaning on every damn word anyone of any company might have said at one point in time.
These are giant companies. All they care about is the bottom line. None of them are your friend. The only reason they know your name is because you gave them your credit card.
“ Sony literally pays just to keep certain games off of Xbox. They don't own the company; they just throw money at people to keep them off their competition.”
We could also opt for common sense. If I'm a developer and choose not to release on the biggest console market....I've obviously been paid to do so.
However, the other way around isn't necessarily true. I don't have to have been paid to save money on development and testing my product in order to release on the smallest console market
You get on Sony the most for doing these type of deals and not "having them on payroll" and use Sony doing these type of deals to justify the Activision purchase. Well Microsoft is doing the exact thing you bitch at Sony for and this isn't something that happened years ago but is happening now. And now you're playing the whole "both companies just care about your money" and "stop being a fanboy hanging on to every word a company says"? Where was this during the Activision and Square Enix articles? Let me guess because it's Microsoft you are now taking the level headed approach eh?
I wish I could upvote you more to beat the disagrees, but I agree with you lol 😆 gamers here don’t like the Factz!!! Microsoft and Sony absolutely love your credit cards 💳 and wish they could just keep it until it’s all empty out.
FF7 Remake will probably never be released on Xbox (which it could've been for over 2 years now), due to Xbox gamers doesn't buy SquareEnix games. SE have tried, over and over again, but the same result is showing every time, so it's no surprise SE is ignoring Xbox consoles more frequently.
"FF7 Remake will probably never be released on Xbox (which it could've been for over 2 years now), due to Xbox gamers doesn't buy SquareEnix games."
Nearly 2 million bought physical copies of FF15 on Xbox. Sure, the ratio is 5:1 but it's still a significant amount of money that SE are giving up - If Control made 92 million euros in revenue with 3 million, it's going to be at least 60m plus any digital sales.
You'd have to imagine that Sony paid at least that amount of money for both FF7R and FF16 as compensation. Personally, I'd rather they use that money on studios rather than on games that would have been on PS5 anyway. And the same thing goes for Microsoft with stuff like Valheim timed exclusivity.
Where's Titanfall 1? Dead Rising 3? It's been a decade. But act like MS is innocent just bc AAA pubs want no part of XB exclusity these days due to lower install and Gamepass killing sales. Microsoft still does it, they just can't reel the big fish due to inferiority. They still keep games off PS forever, see The Gunk. It's not a moral decision to do it only with the worst games, it's ineptitude, and u celebrate it lol. Just like Titanfall on XB1 MS would still do it with good aaa games but it's not financially feasible due to lower sales/GP and regardless of their wealth they still aim to make smart business decisions rather than waste money like any profitable business.
Yet u cheer for pub aquisitions that will make entire IP exclusive forever lol. U probably loved the Bethesda deal but Stafield being scrapped from PS after it started development on the platform is np? New releases in mainline Elder Scrolls n Fallout being banished from PS is ok? Not 1-2 yrs for a game but numerous multiplat IP forever. That u cheer for lol.
@DOMination- No! It has not even sold close to 2 million including digital copies on Xbox. What are you smoking? Only in UK at launch, it got 1:5 sales compared, rest of Europe was 1:10 and then it was released on PC.
VGChartz who tends to overtrack Xbox sales, put it at 1.1 million Xbox copies, including digital.
he creative director behind SCC said it was originally built for Xbox. "
Yeah, I REALLY said cobalt. Because regardless of who it was "built for", THAT GAME was still going to be multiplaform UNTIL Microsoft bought Mojang.
And what does "nobody playing it" have to do with anything? That doesn't have any bearing on the fact that it was meant to be a multiplatform game that Microsoft made exclusive.
They probably feel they wouldn't sell. Check the stats. Ms has also had complete 3rd party exclusives stop being so naive
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How much is development cost though do those 2 million copies sold equal development cost. How many were sold at 20 dollars 15 dollars, etc. I'll put money on all those 2 million werent full price. There's more to it
@lodossrage it seems like to me SP Conviction is exclusive to Xbox because of Ubisoft not MS .. Unlike FF 7 remake where Square doesn’t even have a choice. https://www.gamezone.com/or...
@Mr. Ninosan so are you saying SE games sales absolutely no games on XBOX ? Or are you comparing sales ? I’m going to assume you know how math works. 117 million Vs around 40+ million .. lol that’s 77 million more PS4 in ppl homes , so obviously FF will sell more on PS then Xbox .. that’s not lack of support it’s the fact one console sold a shit more then the other.
Let's argue more because that's all gaming community is now a days. Neither company is in the business for our good graces and looking out for what's best for gamers above their own business interests
Because people keep asking whenever any exclusives or timed exclusives are brought up
SF5 is permanently exclusive because Capcom for some dumb reason didn't want to fund the development. FF7 remake will never come to Xbox because Sony paid for development costs and they will buy square enix once this Activision fiasco clears
Sony in general likes doing timed exclusive deals while Ms likes buying publishers and turning their games permanently exclusives
Buy whatever platform you prefer and enjoy. I am a long time PlayStation fan but I bought a XSX because I don't want to miss out on games I like( and I don't have a gaming PC)
Sony are in a dominant market position so it would be very expensive in the long run for Microsoft to buy timed exclusivity for big AAA games. Many developers and publishers wouldn't even consider timed or permanent exclusivity for Xbox because of the amount of money they'd loose out on for not having their games on PS consoles.
Microsoft is running their business how they see fit and Sony is doing the same.
The scattergun approach Microsoft is indicating with their talk around the ABK merger could end up being a net negative in the longrun, Microsoft has a history of loosing focus which is why the Xbox 360 ran out of steam and we got the abysmal XO reveal.
Hypocrites cry it's anti-competitive when Microsoft does timed exclusives but say it's great for games and gamers when Sony does it. But of course Sony are the little underdog with a dominant market position and totally don't have a well documented history of anti-competitive tactics like Microsoft.
Sometimes developers just don't have the resources to put out a game simultaneously on all platforms so sometimes a deal makes sense. I can't see how a developer with sufficient resources isn't better off releasing the same day on PS5 and Xbox Series given both consoles are more similar then any other Xbox and PS console in a given generation.
Microsoft and Sony need to stop whining if they're doing the same anti-competitive crap they're whining about, it just makes them look pathetic.
Third party exclusives have been in gaming for ages. Ppl act like Microsoft isn't guilty of "keeping games off other platforms" simply bc they aren't able to procure significant games with the same frequency nor does their current business model necessitate it. For one, XB has had roughly half the install base going on a decade thus making the platform less desirable for third party exclusives. For two, the inception of GP has made the platform even less desirable for AAA exclusivity due cannibalizing sales which MS has admitted. So, combine half the user base and a system that stymies sales and it's no wonder MS has failed to deliver quality third party exclusives. There's a reason why these games are largely underwhelming AAs and indies that merely garner 3-6 months of exclusivity. And it bothers me that MS is often vague about the windows often promoting games as if they are legitimate console exclusives only to stealth release on PS a few months later. Would we have known STALKER 2 was 3 months if it hadn't been in court docs? They promoted Tunic and Inside like they were their babies. The Medium as well. If ppl knew these games were 3-6 months they might wait to play them on their platform of choice, hence why MS is often not transparent with the windows. It just feels deceptive. Oh, and let's not act like MS wasn't all in to keep games off PS before GP forced AAA pubs away from launch day 1 exclusive. Ryse, DR3, Titanfall, ReCore. These were XB1 games forever banished from PS even when sequels like TF2 n DR4 released on PS4. PUBG was huge and it was held from PS for a while. MS didn't announce the timed window. Same with Rise of the TR. Not only did MS grab extensive exclusivity but they did it at the last second after the game i believe debuted on Sony's stage and they gagged SE so they couldn't tell ppl if/when it would release on other platforms aka PS. Ppl speculated if it would ever come to PS. And they did it out of spite for U4 releasing. MS often gags pubs in these scenarios. Hence why i knew The Medium would be on PS in less than a yr bc they has Bloober saying the same vague bs with Blair Witch releasing on PS. I have an XB Series, i'm good, but it's unfortunate for those left to wonder if/when these games will release on their platform. Luckily Valheim's timed date was announced, though, i'm not particularly impressed with Val. But in conclusion it's ironic MS gets a pass in terms of keeping games off other platforms when they clearly do it...just not as well.
Quite short-sighted, aren't you! Speaking about being vague... How long is FF16 exclusive to PS5?
Sony has been vague about time length of 3rd party exclusives for ages, even way before Microsoft entered the console business. You probably don't remember the timed exclusive deal Sony made with Rockstar for GTA3 on the PS2...
You can't triple double reversie the exclusivity argument. Microsoft is not the one complaining about exclusivity. Sony is publicly doing that while forgetting to point out their own exclusivity. Microsoft has simply acknowledged that exclusivity is a part of the business and that Sony's claims of Microsoft being the only ones allowed to do it is ridiculous.
@Outside_ofthe_Box - and Phil has specified that their method of the faith of that argument is with Game Pass. And they have offered Sony to put Game Pass onto PlayStation. Sony said... no.
i mean, everyone with common sense knew it was timed unless there was a bigger announcement that ms had actually bought either the studio or exclusivity. whenever a dev says, "we have no plans to release on 'x' right now", that's just pr for, "we're not allowed to say we're releasing on another platform in the future" lol
So u celebrate deceptiveness? Shouldn't MS announce the exclusivity windows upon the XB release announcement? They very rarely if ever do. The majority of gamers are casual and do not understand the way us hardcore do. It's deceptive. By no means are other pubs innocent of this but MS is the king of not being transparent and nobody calls them out. They put an embargo on games shown at E3 so websites couldn't crystalize the fact that games like Wo Long weren't exclusive. Look at Twitter n YT there are a trove of fans who don't know any better and these tactics aim to exploit them. Otherwise MS would just announce the dates on every game.
Given Sony's dominant console market position they don't have to buy developers/publishers because they can cut a deal and developers/publishers will be happy they're still accessing a sufficient percentage of the total console userbase.
I wouldn't do a timed exclusivity if I owned a developer or publisher with Microsoft not because Xbox sucks or PS5 is much better but because it'd mean missing out on a lot of potential sales.
This just shows that argument that some use to justify buying publishers doesn't make sense. Getting timed exclusive was something done all the time. Nobody can compare taking multiple games from hundreds of millions of players.... Or destroy versions of the games that were already made because they don't want on Sony consoles... Games that Microsoft doesnt have anything with...
Microsoft is buying developers and publishers because developers and publishers won't sign timed exclusivity for big AAA games because of Microsoft's market share of last and current gen consoles combined and Microsoft want to have content to drive Game Pass as a service.
Nobody's taking anything. People need to realize that regardless of what we want, these companies are gonna do what they want. As consumers we don't own anything. I do think that some ps fans are being hypocrites about this exclusive stuff. Sony's doing similar things that microsoft is doing but on a smaller scale. If sony could could make large purchases like this they would. Microsoft has the cash to do it right now so they're doing it. People say they dont innovate and get their own stuff but I remember when sony bought Gaikai people cheered and said how great it was. I think if sony could of bought a huge publisher they would of. The problem is that they aren't as cash rich and really don't need to be to have continued success.
Knew it was timed just like Stalker 2 , Scorn (not that many care) The Medium and many more. There is a long list of paid timed games for MS but for some reason media doesn’t talk about them
it's only bad if Sony is doing it. plus, the ActiBliz buyout is the best thing ever that can happen to the industry in our united fight against the evil Tencent
It's really bad and should never have been a hit anywhere. The game is worse than Risen. I know it's a different game, survival, but in terms of quality it's bottom barrel.
Valheim on console means I get to to play it with my son. He plays a ton of Minecraft, Ark, and The Forest. Which we also play together. He thinks Valheim is awesome and one of the best games he's ever played. In this first week we've already had a bunch of amazing experiences that we'll remember for years to come. I get that it's not for everyone, but for us Valheim is simply amazing.
How stupid this all is. These companies are going to do what’s best for them and their platform. Doesn’t matter who it is. You don’t have to like it but it’s the reality of business. We can pull out a thousand examples of past transgressions. At the end of the day I feel like we’re all at the school yard arguing much about nothing.
I think the biggest issue is the way xbox fans are talking so much sh about Sony for timed and exclusive 3rd party when ms does the same thing. I have no issue with companies doing that thats the reason I buy all the consoles eventually but it's the hypocrisy from ms crowd o f Sony cause their deals
The problem is both sides of the coin trash talk. Nobody’s walking on water, most everyone been guilty of doing it. But at the end of the day both Sony and MS will be fine. Life is short, just enjoy the reasons these machines were made in the first place. To play games. Peace
The worst game i played in yrs. Pathetic combat, grfx, animation, ai, character creator. Empty, pointless, bad. Average survival mechanics. Maybe the worst modern game i have ever played. At least in terms of highly rated games. 86 Opencritic smh.
Microsoft and their hypocrisy shines again, paying to keep games off other platforms.
I'm sure users will say why it's okay for Playstation to have exclusives and not Microsoft. But they'll completely ignore the hypocrisy argument. No where is Sony declaring when everyone plays we all win, saying exclusives are anti gaming. Saying it's bad to pay to keep games off other platforms. Microsoft says all these things while doing the complete opposite. Lies of P
i mean, everyone with common sense knew it was timed unless there was a bigger announcement that ms had actually bought either the studio or exclusivity. whenever a dev says, "we have no plans to release on 'x' right now", that's just pr for, "we're not allowed to say we're releasing on another platform in the future" lol
I think this now gives Sony justification to buy loads of studios for the sake of competition.
This just shows that argument that some use to justify buying publishers doesn't make sense. Getting timed exclusive was something done all the time. Nobody can compare taking multiple games from hundreds of millions of players.... Or destroy versions of the games that were already made because they don't want on Sony consoles... Games that Microsoft doesnt have anything with...
Knew it was timed just like Stalker 2 , Scorn (not that many care) The Medium and many more. There is a long list of paid timed games for MS but for some reason media doesn’t talk about them