The FTC isn’t all too pleased with Microsoft as the court case between the two entities continues, with the FTC now going as far as filing a complaint against Microsoft for its consistent refusal to provide requested documents.
Ftc got caught by the Eu regulatory body for creating a false narrative about Zenimax purchase saying Ms promise them they won't make games exclusive when they never did. The Ftc knows it losing this case and fishing for anything it can to try and block this deal lol.
Ms definitely alluded to it. Someone here already posted docs about ms saying it. Forget who posted it though. Just a day or 2 ago. Sure it wasn't a promise of sorts but there's documentation out there
I didn’t read the comment, but was it a “it’s not our intention to remove access of games to gamers” to “Bethesda titles will be exclusive to Xbox/pc on a case by case basis” to “Bethesda titles will be accessible wherever gamepass is available”, after the purchase?
Sonystyled, yeah something like that. Then something about not doing something cause it would lead to loss or. It seemed as though with what was written they didn't wanna miss out on ps sales but hey maybe they meant switch
@shinoff Mannnn this narrative is sooooo tiring , man they are releasing two new IPS. Why wouldn’t they be exclusive , Sony only players trying to move up the goalpost. When Bethesda has countless other IPs that’s currently multi platform , those are the games the will remain as they’re. Sony bought Bungie under the guides they can still remain multi platform , but they announced a new IP but I don’t see no notion it’s going to be multi platform. It’s ever crazier that Sony has a game that they don’t even own in an exclusivity lock , FF ring bells. What happened to the FF remake that Xbox players was supposed to get ??? The exclusivity deal ended in 2021 but here we are in 2023 which no FF7 remake , which is absurd. https://www.thegamer.com/mi...
How is it that Microsoft entirely funds a development of a game , pays the studio developing the game , pays all the R&D cost , everything with NOOOOOO HELP from Sony … Sony whines about because the 2 games won’t appear on THEIR console ?? What a world to be living in .
That's your first problem atleast in your reply to me is that I have and always have ended up with all 3 systems. In fact I've stated numerous times I'm pretty excited for starfield so I will be buying a series x come August or maybe sooner if I find a good deal on marketplace or something.
For real though if it's that tiring to you just skip it dog. You don't have to read it. Then right a book about it afterwards
And lastly I'll just add starfield. Play dumb if you won't but there's no doubt that starfield was in development for ps.
Maybe square doesn't see the value in developing ff7r for xbox because it won't sell. Did ms approach about gamepass. If not maybe square ain't with it. Maybe the exclusive ff7r is the whole series (3 parts) I haven't seen the contract myself. With that said don't forget ms has 3rd party exclusives to. You guys seem to forget about it for some reason cause your so obsessed with final fantasy. I'm personally not that excited for ff16. It's said ff15 sold 80 percent on ps , enough said
@Shinoff I own all 3 as well , so the exclusivity thing doesn’t bother me .. I’m just taking it from an unbiased standpoint , MS does have third party exclusives but once the exclusive contract is up I never seen MS BLOCK a game from going to other systems that they own rights to. Those games always ended up going to Sonys machine , I’m not into JRPG games but I know people that are. FF does sales on Xbox , but obviously with PS having a larger install base obviously it will sell more on PS especially in places like JAPAN. Starfield was on development for PS at a time when they didn’t even have a concept on what the game was ??? The game really didn’t even have a core concept until late 2020 .. so how can that be it was in development for PS ?? It’s tiring how ppl keep saying MS is taking games away when they have studios releasing multi plat games lol and still constantly update the ones that’s out. They can easily cut the work and just update the Xbox versions , but they take the time to update the PS versions to. Same with ES 6 there isn’t even any kind of footage of the game and it how many years away , I don’t see Sony doing anything to aid with development but they want the game on their console ?? Like where has that ever happened.
This comment would fit perfectly on mainstream news media stations. It alludes to a supposed past indiscretion that didn't stop the previous deal at all. It provides no proof of the goals of the FTC in this case, but claims they are losing it and have a goal of blocking it versus doing their job, which is the examine all relevant material to the case to determine if it should happen.
MS and Phil Spencer himself have said many times their goal is for more gamers to play their games yet bought zenimax and made their games exclusives
They are buying Activision and only promising COD that means every other IP will be off PlayStation. Please stop defending these corporations whether it's Sony or Microsoft
Also you may not like FTC but they can still block this deal. Especially under democrats rule in white house and Senate. People bring up the fact FTC doesn't win often yet it doesn't need to win often just once will be enough to block this deal off (and FTC under trump was way different then under Biden)
It's kind of sleepy that Microsoft wants Sony and others to show all their documents yet can't do the same for FTC
I am personally really tried of all this nonsense. Just get this over with and we as gamers need to stick together please
These greedy publishers are already taking advantage of us with micro transactions, gambling and incomplete games
You don't mind showing where in those documents that it shows MS saying that then do you? Because EU said otherwise.
"Microsoft didn't make any "commitments" to EU regulators not to release Xbox-exclusive content following its takeover of ZeniMax Media" - the European Commission
False information is contagious, let's stop spending it.
MS gave a statement that explicitly alluded to having no reason to stop bethesda from making ps games. This was not a binding agreement. The next time they said something though do you think it's wise to believe what they say?
You're getting down voted to hell even though you speak the truth. This site has become such a shithole. It's nothing but Sony zealots thinking Jim Ryan is the messiah.
To make matters worse it's the same info they bitched to the court about Sony providing. I really don't know how they think Sony has to provide it at Microsofts request but they don't have to do the same for the regulators. Make that make sense Microsoft.
It's standard legal BS. Try to get everything, try to hide all your stuff, throw the kitchen sink at everything. Even Sony's original filing was kitchen sink material where only a few points were at all relevant to the anti-competitive nature of the deal, the rest was random BS.
Depending on the due date I could maybe understand them saying there isn't enough time regarding the new deals they've just made in the last week or so. But anything older than that shouldn't have been a problem. Just give up the documents. Sony had to do it and so do you. That's how this works. If you make a claim you have to provide documents to back up your claim.
This is the most important gaming news in the industry right now. You can just skip them, but this is industry-deciding news and will help to decide the future of gaming in more than a few ways.
Easy just don't come to these articles. There's still hundreds of gaming articles about games. I'll also add say what you will but this is gaming news.
24 request? This deal should definitely be blocked. Build your own first party portfolio like everyone else and leave major 3rd party publishers alone.
There you go again, someone read the documents and added their own spin on it. And now everyone is being misled people Jorno what done tremendous work again....oh look its VGC again. The FTC did not request 24 times they request 24 DOCUMENTS out of many. MS refused to give those 24 Documents. MS does not have to answer to the FTC, they answer to the Judge. If the judge requests the document then they have to comply.
Also, the FTC asking about the future of the Xbox Exclusive is too evasive. It unravels future plans that would make all competitors aware of their every move, revealing things that are not meant to be seen which will lead to speculations. Not a good idea and MS are doing the right thing by not caving to this absurd demand.
FTC have a grand track record of losing, they a seriously reaching here.
***The FTC did not request 24 times they request 24 DOCUMENTS out of many. MS refused to give those 24 Documents. MS does not have to answer to the FTC, they answer to the Judge.***
And the FTC filed a complaint to the judge to get those documents. This isn't misleading. It's literally following the rules for obtaining said documents.
***Also, the FTC asking about the future of the Xbox Exclusive is too evasive. It unravels future plans that would make all competitors aware of their every move, revealing things that are not meant to be seen which will lead to speculations. Not a good idea and MS are doing the right thing by not caving to this absurd demand.***
And yet Sony has to hand over their plans of a similar nature and that's good. C'mon, let's not be hypocrites.
"And the FTC filed a complaint to the judge to get those documents. This isn't misleading. It's literally following the rules for obtaining said documents." The misleading part is the fake narrative that the document was requested 24 times when it's not true it's 24 Documents that were requested. As I said MS does not answer to the FTC they answer to the judge. FTC as always are overreaching for things that they do not need. Judge will reject.
"And yet Sony has to hand over their plans of a similar nature and that's good. C'mon, let's not be hypocrites."
There are no Hypocrites here.
The documents are not of a similar nature, past details about exclusive deals that have already happened vs future exclusive deals...Big Difference. The whole idea is to show that Sony benefited from Third-party exclusives deals that have already happened. They themselves have created a monopoly with certain franchises, which Xbox cannot access when they previously could. That is to combat the main premise that MS will be anti-competition.
On the note performance document that they also requested, The file they want from Sony, Xbox doesn't care about performance reviews...But everything to do with whether or not Jim Ryan or Senior staff get bonuses for exclusive deals. That would be a big issue as it disregards the company's benefit but rather individuals making money for themselves. There is a high chance that MS knows that this happens and the reason why Sony making excuses to give the documents. It reveals deals that happen with the higher-ups of the company if all of this gets revealed then it is a trump card for MS. Because it shows that show that individuals like Jim Ryan are benefiting from exclusivity bonuses, not the company. There is a personal stake for Jim Ryan to fight against MS and not a company stake...Assurances has been given to Sony yet Jim is refusing and not thinking about Sony as a whole.
When this deal goes through, which it will Jim Ryan should give the job of CEO to someone else.
*** As I said MS does not answer to the FTC they answer to the judge. FTC as always are overreaching for things that they do not need. Judge will reject.***
Purely opinion there. I recognize it but disagree with it. I think purchases like this should reveal everything about them. On both sides and equally.
***The documents are not of a similar nature, past details about exclusive deals that have already happened vs future exclusive deals...Big Difference.***
It includes current signed deals, not just past deals.
***That is to combat the main premise that MS will be anti-competition.***
I mean, sure, $70b purchase of some of the most valuable IPs in gaming, let alone the most valuable third-party game that continues to break its own records year to year compared to a few million$ deals. What a great comparison.
***But everything to do with whether or not Jim Ryan or Senior staff get bonuses for exclusive deals. That would be a big issue as it disregards the company's benefit but rather individuals making money for themselves.***
I mean, that's already built into annual bonuses and the like. And, sure, show that info is Microsoft shows the exact same on their end.
"Purely opinion there. I recognize it but disagree with it. I think purchases like this should reveal everything about them. On both sides and equally." FTC is playing games. but CMA beat them to the punch, they know very well that this deal is valuable to MS so they want to make MS bend the knee as much as possible....just to show that they made big tech answer their demands. I do not think that anything should be shown from either side.
"It includes current signed deals, not just past deals." Signed deals that we know about already but deal that have still to be announced is far too much details. We are taking about deals that spans years. Everything from both sides will be out on the table and there will be nothing for gamers to be excited about whether it's the state of play or Xbox Direct. But the point of requesting the documents is not to actually hand them over but it's to dissuade each other. This whole thing is just a bit of drama.
"I mean, sure, $70b purchase of some of the most valuable IPs in gaming, let alone the most valuable third-party game that continues to break its own records year to year compared to a few million$ deals. What a great comparison." It is a great comparison. Because Sony has denied Millions of gamers from entering the Xbox Echo system. Take street Fighter 5, a perfect example of a game that was popular on Xbox and the fighting community. Sony made that exclusive, making them jump ship to Sony and now they have exclusivity deals with the next street fighter game. Final Fantasy, Persona, Ni No Kuni and many more Japanese games were denied an Xbox release for years which meant that they could not foster a JRPG fanbase. Showing those documents would show how Sony deals with segmenting the fanbase towards their side by denying keep releases from Xbox. These are examples of anti-competition.
Everything you said would have made sense if COD was exclusive to Xbox but it is not. You also might be thinking that they will make it exclusive after 10 years, no they won't. The reason why they gave a 10-year deal rather than a deal forever is that we don't know what the next PlayStation console is. You can't make a deal for a console that doesn't exist. Once the announcement of the PS6, and Switch 2 then the deal can be renewed for those consoles. Since Cod, is not exclusive there is no Anti Competition.
"I mean, that's already built into annual bonuses and the like. And, sure, show that info is Microsoft shows the exact same on their end."
MS knows something that shows more individual stakes for certain people. As I said the denial of the acquisition is more individual-driven than the Company driven.
***Everything you said would have made sense if COD was exclusive to Xbox but it is not. ***
Literally, all of the games you mention for Sony also aren't on PS only, just FYI. So, you might have a blind spot there. PC exists for those as well.
You also completely ignore that those deals aren't Sony's decision, they are the third-party publisher's choice. Much like the exclusive deals Microsoft has had (and continues to have, btw), the publisher makes that decision, not the platform owner.
"Literally, all of the games you mention for Sony also aren't on PS only, just FYI. So, you might have a blind spot there. PC exists for those as well." But that reinforces my point further, they exclusively deny Xbox the chance of building a fanbase.
"You also completely ignore that those deals aren't Sony's decision, they are the third-party publisher's choice. Much like the exclusive deals Microsoft has had (and continues to have, btw), the publisher makes that decision, not the platform owner." Nah I don't believe that a publisher would outright reject a console's audience especially if it is in the millions...makes zero business sense. There is pressure from Sony, they have a reputation for denying access if the contents are found elsewhere. They do not have a hand in publishing but they sure do have an influence.
***Nah I don't believe that a publisher would outright reject a console's audience especially if it is in the millions...makes zero business sense. There is pressure from Sony, they have a reputation for denying access if the contents are found elsewhere. They do not have a hand in publishing but they sure do have an influence.***
Amazing. Sony using what you assume with no evidence is financial pressure to do something but Microsoft using billions of dollars to outright control it is okay. The mental gymnastics to come to that conclusion, let alone ignoring that financial pressure is applied on both sides. You have way too much faith in a corporation here. Step back, look at these two for what they really are. Neither are our friends.
Actually ms does have to answer the ftc , they are there for a reason. They are an extension of the government. Ms has a pretty shiesty history. They probably know the guys at the ftc on a first name basis
I genuinely see people championing this deal but what do you think it will bring that is positive to gamers?l I realise people want exclusivity for whatever corporation they support. But you likely get the same games as you would have done without it.
Seems like MS has alot to hide! They must be shaking that the FTC is zeroing in on their actual plans and how focusing on CoD is just a distraction, hand waving tactic.
Story, after story, after story. Talk about a company that destroyed their own IPs, then developers. Now Microsoft is even destroying game sites with unrelated gaming news lol
Ftc got caught by the Eu regulatory body for creating a false narrative about Zenimax purchase saying Ms promise them they won't make games exclusive when they never did.
The Ftc knows it losing this case and fishing for anything it can to try and block this deal lol.
Microsoft being Microsoft and thinking that rules don't matter. Not even after 24 requests from the ftc.
Well Microsoft has been caught w their pants down rn imo.
So they want everyone else's documents, but don't want to give up their own. Why doesn't that surprise me 😒
Depending on the due date I could maybe understand them saying there isn't enough time regarding the new deals they've just made in the last week or so. But anything older than that shouldn't have been a problem. Just give up the documents. Sony had to do it and so do you. That's how this works. If you make a claim you have to provide documents to back up your claim.