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Xbox Series S: Is Its Lower Specifications Harming 9th Generation Console Development?

The Xbox Series S, formerly known as Lockhart, has faced several concerns and criticisms from developers and industry experts since its development.

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darkrider827d ago

Not really. It's barely stronger then the upgrades of last gen, in some important, points like ram and bandwidth, it's worse... But of course it's not. 3rd party studios just need to waste resources tryng to make it run with 3 or 4 times less gpu power, half the ram, much, much less Bandwith. It's next Gen only on the marketing and publicity.

ZycoFox826d ago

The next Switch will likely have the same issues as the Series S, but it will have maybe more modern chips so somewhat better in certain areas possibly. But the difference with Nintendo is that they need a lot of strong first party support.. So it likely won't matter as much (for Nintendo) as long as they push out stuff with no droughts, third party stuff on either Series S or the next Switch will not run as good as they do on PC or PS5/Series X.. That pretty much goes without saying though.

You can only do so much with given hardware, it's like having a 5-6 year old PC with mid/low end hardware, and then trying to run a newer moderately demanding game and wondering why it runs like crap, when it should be obvious why.

Eonjay826d ago

Xbox Series S will not hold back the generation as long as developers have enough respect to leave it out if it's gonna gimp the experience like BG3.

Babadook7826d ago (Edited 826d ago )

@darkrider
Your first sentence seems confusing.

Title "Is Its Lower Specifications Harming 9th Generation Console Development?"
You "Not really."

Then the rest of your comment seems to detail how it IS harming the 9th gen.

darkrider826d ago

I was joking, but English is not my first language, so I messed up

dantesparda826d ago

"Xbox Series S: Is Its Lower Specifications Harming 9th Generation Console Development?"

Of course it is, and anyone who doesn't think so is either a fool or an fanboy idiot.

IanTH826d ago

It's really not an issue with your English - which, for a second language, is pretty good from what I've seen - it's just the loss of tone from being online. I was a little confused too, at first. But by the time I got to "but of course it's not", I could tell you were layering on the sarcasm. I mean, the last 2 sentences made that pretty dang clear, so not sure how so many people missed it honestly lol.

kingnick826d ago

It is a lot easier to scale games for GPU and memory constraints to an extent vs CPU where you have to have a certain level of performance to synchronise all the other hardware and the game engine.

The lastgen consoles was crippled by weak single core CPU performance, it's really amazing what the platform holders and developers were able to wring out of those systems with PSGL, later Direct X versions and other APIs.

People like to throw around the word lazy but developers are often under a lot of pressure especially when they're developing for many platforms. For example Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty was developed for 8 platforms and you can see the developers made sacrifices to get the game running on so many platforms.

Increasingly we're seeing games were the performance delta between PS5 and XSX is greater then what should be the case considering the actual hardware specifications.

This whole debate reminds me of PS3 fanbois back in the day claiming the Xbox 360 was holding the PS3 back when in reality it was the PS3 itself and Sony's APIs.

n1kki6826d ago

You are spitting facts that will go over most fan boys heads.

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XiNatsuDragnel827d ago

Imo yes they're hampering the potential of these 9th generation consoles.

Obscure_Observer826d ago (Edited 826d ago )

"Imo yes they're hampering the potential of these 9th generation consoles."

How? I look at PS5 only exclusive games like Forspoken and FFXVI and it visuals can´t hold a candle to Xbox Series Consoles exclusives like Starfield, Hellblade II, Forza Motorsport and S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2.

So how exactly Series S is holding the generation back if PS5 only games (so far) can´t match the visual quality of upcoming Series consoles exclusive games?

I´m expecting to be blown away by Spiderman 2´s visuals, but I won´t hold my breath since it will be powered by Insomniac´s old PS4 engine.

I wonder what excuses will be made if Fable turn out to be visually superior in comparison to Horizon.

Nyxus826d ago

Are you joking? Both Forspoken and FFXVI look far better than Starfield. Starfield looks last gen tbh (doesn't mean it can't be a good game).

Rockstar826d ago

Lol, now I know you're trolling...

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NecrumOddBoy826d ago

I am impressed by your unwavering allegiance to your console of choice but let’s not pretend or live in silly fantasyland.

neutralgamer1992826d ago

Obscure_Observer

Again you are listing games not released and then using if fable turns out. Facts are facts Ms should have made series S the same specs as series X just without disk drive

Bro seriously you need to be more like a gamer and less like a cult member. You are always defending Xbox even when they deserve criticism. You are making us legit Xbox fans look bad with cult comments like yours

We all want amazing gaming experiences and when any company deserves our criticism they should get it from their consumers so they can improve

The only difference between digital and disk versions should be a disk drive. Everything else should be the same. This way developers can focus on making the games without having to worry about parity

S2Killinit826d ago

Lol What a disingenuous comment.

Obscure_Observer826d ago (Edited 826d ago )

@Nyxus

"Are you joking? Both Forspoken and FFXVI look far better than Starfield. Starfield looks last gen tbh (doesn't mean it can't be a good game)."

No. I´m not. Both Forspoken and FFXVI looks like old gen games to me with better resolution. There´s nothing that stands out! Gameplay, AI, physics, texture, shadows, light and effects like wind, smoke, lighting and particles and both games have wash out colors.

All will be clear when we get proper high-resolution footage on Starfield´s final build in June.

@Poopmeister

R&C and Demon Souls vs Hellblade II and S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2????

Lol! You´re blind!

kainslayer826d ago

you only saw pc footage and cgi trailers from the alleged xbox exclusives you listed....stop being a fanboy.
Not everything is sonys fault.xbox has a lot to prove this round and people are thirsty for exclusives on the green side also it became a habit to trash the xbox i give you that .All i can say is bring on the games its about time.Both ps5 and xsx are pretty similar so dont expect to see something vastly different

andy85826d ago

So Demons Souls' Ratchet and Clank and Returnal don't match the visual quality of stuff like Starfield which looks like an Xbox One game? Get out of here 😂😂

Obscure_Observer826d ago (Edited 826d ago )

@neutralgamer1992

You´re anything but an Xbox fan. You have nothing "neutral" in you. You´re a PS fanboy trying to pass as someone else, but you are not.

So don´t waste both of our times trying to lecture on me, dude.

You´re butthurt as many PS fanboys here over Bethesda acquisition by Microsoft which you still couldn´t get over.

I said SO FAR PS5 doens´t have anything to match Forza Motorsport, S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2, Starfield and Hellblade II visuals and I stand by my opinion.

If you think old PS4 engines can match next gen engines, you´re delusional as a lot of PS cultists on the internet.

Sonic1881826d ago

@Nyxus

He's in denial lol. It's actually hilarious to read his comments 🤣

IamFrasierCrane826d ago

Look at this guy lecturing people on graphics for games that haven’t released while simultaneously putting down the graphics of games he’s never played. Your YouTube graphics analysis is laughable…

Hypertension140826d ago

@Observer
A new engine really helped, halo infinite
right....

Also can you explain why the last of us part 2 is still one of the most impressive game I've ever played, not even being a fanboy it's just that the gameplay if f**king incredible makes other games look outdated by comparison, and thet was made in the so called PS4 engine.

neutralgamer1992826d ago

Obscure_Observer

For someone who is a PS fanboy in your opinion doesn't even have a PS4/PS5 right now. I have a Xbox series X and signed for gamepads through next 34 months. And point stands in the past I may have made some comments but even then my point has always been less talking and more showing. I bought XSX because I love RPG's and Xbox seems better for future of RPG's

But than again I had PS5 in the past but right now I just want to enjoy the console I have. And my biggest point is simple:

The only difference between a digital only console and a regular console should be the disk drive. Specs should be 100% the same. Your comments are always emotions and opinions over facts. I bought XSX for starfield and backwards compatible

If you would like to play sometimes and want to add me as a friend on Xbox I can share my ID

repsahj826d ago

LOL stalker 2 looks old gen compared to atomic heart.

generic-user-name826d ago

"can´t hold a candle to Xbox Series Consoles exclusives like Starfield"

Everyone is asleep in my house, please don't make me laugh this hard late at night again.

DarXyde826d ago

Nyxus,

At this point, it's blatant trolling.

Same guy calling Starfield GOTY says visuals gameplay, AI, physics, etc of Final Fantasy and Firespoken look dated?

Shut up. Deeply unserious, height of delusion, vapid, unsubstantiated claim lacking any kind of objectivity or introspection.

Ignore.

edeprez826d ago

Dumbest thing I've heard in weeks! Thanks for the laugh mate!

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Obscure_Observer826d ago

@Poopmeister

"But i know they arent your favourite group at the moment."

You don´t know sh!t about me. At least of course, assuming you are not another banned clown with a new account just like Sonic1881 a.k.a CaptainHenry916.

Here´s some DF analysis on Starfield´s *OLD BUILD* for you and @Nyxus:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

How do you like it? Let´s see how you appreciate and respect DF game analysis and opinions when things don´t go your "way".

XiNatsuDragnel826d ago (Edited 826d ago )

@Observer

You're embarrassing yourself man please stop *Offtopic* my dragon dad will tell you took an L.

IanTH826d ago (Edited 826d ago )

You chose the best options from Xbox, and then one of the worst with Forspoken for PS5. You don't think that's being incredibly disingenuous? And do you think those games you mentioned will look just as good, with no compromises, on the S as the X?

kingnick826d ago

If the S didn't exist the crutch would be the X is somehow gimping the PS5, it's always been that way with fanbois. They refuse to accept there are other factors at play and developers are very much human and often their work varies between platforms and not all platforms are treated equally or optimised for to the same extent especially the platforms they expect to sell less on.

Games1st826d ago

Why are you so concerned about graphics that will be downgraded to fit series s.

Sarcasm826d ago

I don't know how these people in the same breath goes "Xbox Series X is more powerful than PS5" while saying "Xbox Series S doesn't hold back the generation" when it's literally a gimped Series X

The Wood826d ago

I've finally worked it out. Observer is a plant to drive traffic. You can't be on permanent defensive more for free.

Anyone with half a brain cell could predict this issue would become more prevalent as the gen ages. Scaling isnt the answer fellas.

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andy85826d ago (Edited 826d ago )

@hypertension you're right. TLOU2 is still the best looking game I've ever played and its on PS4. Shouldn't all Series X games be blowing it out of the water if that was the case. But not a single one does.

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Charlieboy333826d ago

They don't even blow Uncharted 4 from 2016 out of the water

DashMad826d ago

Not really majority pc setup is lower or barely stronger than series S like it or not with or without series S AAA multiplat won't yet abandon GTX 1650 user(currently the biggest hardware on steam) out there.

Charlieboy333826d ago

@ Obscure

"You´re butthurt as many PS fanboys here over Bethesda acquisition by Microsoft which you still couldn´t get over."

Trust me we aren't butthurt and we have long gotten over the Bethesda aquisition. If the Activision Blizzard aquisition goes through we will get over that too. Why? Because Sony provides more games of higher quality to us than both of those combined. Plus VR.

"I said SO FAR PS5 doens´t have anything to match Forza Motorsport, S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2, Starfield and Hellblade II visuals and I stand by my opinion."

There are plenty that crap over anything on Xbox and I stand by my opinion.

"If you think old PS4 engines can match next gen engines, you´re delusional as a lot of PS cultists on the internet".

Sony first party designed their engines on PS4 with PS5 in mind already. Also Epic designed Unreal Engine 5 ( which is next gen you know ) with input from Sony regarding the PS5 design for optimisation. So you clearly just don't know what you are talking about and just looking to argue.

Obscure_Observer826d ago (Edited 826d ago )

@Charlieboy333

"Trust me we aren't butthurt and we have long gotten over the Bethesda aquisition."

No. You had not. If Sony is this good as you´re pretending to be, then why bother with Xbox games? Just look at Starfield´s date announcement topic from yesterday filled with jealous PS fanboys. It only will get worse come July 11 when we´ll have to deal with you crybabies yet again.

"Sony first party designed their engines on PS4 with PS5 in mind already."

Bring proof or stfu! I´m tired of hearing your bs lies. Just bring proof to back up your claims.

"Also Epic designed Unreal Engine 5 ( which is next gen you know ) with input from Sony regarding the PS5 design for optimisation."

Good luck with that. Xbox Games Studios has masters of Unreal technologies for decades!

https://n4g.com/news/247388...

"So you clearly just don't know what you are talking about and just looking to argue."

I brought you proof and all you´d provided is your uninformed rethorical bs! Again, bring proof or don´t bother and reply to my comments again.

Jared2500826d ago

@Obscure You need a snickers bro

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Stanjara827d ago

Yes!
PS5 can abandon PS4... but X can't abandon S.

EvertonFC827d ago

The difference being PS4 will get discontinued this year at some point, where as the series S won't for the rest of the gen.

Stanjara826d ago

I don't think it will be discontinued just yet, remember ps4 is now a budget option... People still use PSN Store on it aka spending money.

But Sony can chose which games will be cross platform and which one to drop cause of hardware limitations and make ps5 only.

Series S is a budget option for MS, but they can't drop it. It would be false marketing and bad will.

Also, dropping S kinda brakes the whole Gamepass Idea...

Streaming? Ufff

DeadlyFire826d ago

Nah PS4 will be alive until ps6 starts production. It's got a few more years left.

-Mika-827d ago

No. Developers, these days are just lazy.

Chocoburger825d ago

He can't. Calling developers lazy is one of the the most ignorant things you can do. Especially since the past 5 years has shined a light on the constant developer crunch that they go through just to get a broken game out the door for launch.

Devs work themselves non-stop, but hey, lets call them lazy, just because. 🥴

Christopher827d ago (Edited 827d ago )

Life is so easy when you can sit outside and just claim people are lazy. Development isn't just people sitting on their hands and getting a check. It's managing new goals/milestones, dealing with new choices made by management, and fixing issues that pop up because some core concepts got updated mid-way through development along with the score of bugs that happen and need fixing.

Let alone Larian is far from lazy and they have the receipts to prove their continued support of BG3 and devotion to the work.

Obscure_Observer826d ago (Edited 826d ago )

"Let alone Larian is far from lazy and they have the receipts to prove their continued support of BG3 and devotion to the work."

I don´t think Larian is lazy at all. But all controversy surrounding the S has nothing to do with "holding the generation back" by the simple fact that games nowadays has been developed using the most powerful hardware as foundation been later ported to the inferior ones a.k.a Xbox Series S just like in Baldurs Gate 3´s case

If the Series S is holding anything back, it´s itself.

crazyCoconuts827d ago

Making broad generalizations against an entire profession is lazy...

Tacoboto826d ago

If any developer is to be called lazy, look at the platform holder first. My company is building a new application in Microsoft's newish .NET MAUI framework and after working in it for the last 3-4 months almost daily, I cannot believe how completely and utterly unstable it is.

[.NET MAUI is their multiplatform application UI framework that succeeds (and is built off) Xamarin. Build once, target Windows/iOS/Android with a shared codebase.]

I would hope that the Xbox dev tools are clean and polished by now (which they reportedly weren't at launch in 2020), because if they are anything even close to how awful MAUI is, THAT will hold back Xbox much more than the Series S just being weaker.

As for Xbox Series S holding back the entire generation - it's not, and it won't. Baldur's Gate 3 being announced for PS5 without an exclusivity agreement is our first true sign of that. It may hold Xbox back, though.

kingnick826d ago

The last couple of years have been a mess due to COVID and manufacturing constraints. Developers and publishers have also seen a lot of turnover in staff as COVID has made people reaccess their life choices.

The games industry has become so corporate that greed is ruining the experience of playing games on release as games are put out without sufficient polish which is a clearly sign of corners cut due to time constraints and games are being designed around making money with offering a good experience to gamers a secondary objective if it is an objective at all.

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darthv72827d ago

I have both the S and the X and can say that if there are games being held back, I'm not seeing them. Even the situation with BG3 has more to do with split screen than anything else. The base game is said to run just fine on the S.

If MS were forcing parity between platforms, we'd see more games with RT on both or less games in general because RT won't run right on the S, and the X would have to suffer as well. That just isn't happening. If the system lacks the oomph to run a certain feature, they turn that feature off. BG3 can still do online co-op if it can't do split screen co-op.

It's literally like looking at the old box specs for PC games with minimum and recommended. Its the same game, same code... they just run it at different performance levels.

__SteakDeck__827d ago

You may not be seeing them. But professionals that do this for a living like Digital Foundry are.

KeeseToast827d ago

Digital Foundry has been pretty fond of the Series S so far

darkrider827d ago

The strong point of consoles was always having just one spec machine each generation. Studios could max out the consoles. With Microsoft it's impossible. It's holding back and game after game we are watching that. There no spin possible. The talk scaling it's just talk.

Lightning77826d ago

They are the professionals and they never reported a single lacking console holding back anything besides the X with Baldurs Gate.

I wanna see articles and videos of the S holding back PS5 specifically? Can anyone do that?

I thought so. I only care about facts. No facts don't talk. The S is. Weak little machine but it's not hurting PS5 in any scenario at all.

I'm not saying this to you directly @Steak but everyone in general saying making false claims like they always do around here.

generic-user-name826d ago

@Lightning

To provide proof we'd have to travel to an alternate universe where the S doesn't exist, just the X, and grab captures of your current games being better. We must go by what devs are saying. We are leaving the early stages of this gen now, cross gen is falling away. Who is to say Baldur's Gate is not the start of a trend?

Lightning77826d ago

"Who is to say Baldur's Gate is not the start of a trend?"

Then MS has a big issue on their hands when it comes to 3rd party for S and X only.

Wouldn't be surprised if the X isn't performing the way it is because of the S this whole time.

Just like I said.

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dumahim827d ago

"If MS were forcing parity between platforms, we'd see more games with RT on both or less games in general because RT won't run right on the S, and the X would have to suffer as well. "

It's apple and oranges. Split-screen is a gameplay feature while RT is a graphical one. They're not enforcing parity for graphical features for obvious reasons.

Elda826d ago

The differences alone are resolutions when it comes to AAA games, the very reason I traded my S for an X. I know I bought a nice 4k hdr tv to see displays in 4k or close to 4k with the exception of local & cable tv programing which are still in resolutions 480p up to 1080i.

darthv72826d ago

I did that too. Got the X to use on a 4k screen but then I got into performance mode more than resolution mode. I do the same with the PS5. I just cant give up that 60fps.

As for the SS, even on a little 1080p travel screen it looks pretty damn good. That's why i keep it around.

Sonic1881826d ago (Edited 826d ago )

You're I'm denial too. Xbox series S is holding back this generation and should have never been created

Obscure_Observer826d ago

"If MS were forcing parity between platforms, we'd see more games with RT on both or less games in general because RT won't run right on the S"

MS has no parity demands for both first and third party studios on such things like texture quality, general effects, resolution or even framerates. The only demand is regarding the game and its modes. If there´s co-op for the Series X, co-op will be mandatory for the Series S

kingnick826d ago

His comment makes little sense when you consider the PS5 and X are very limited when it comes to raytracing performance. Developers choose not to use raytracing because they deem it to expensive and wouldn't add enough to their game to justify the performance hit.

Eonjay825d ago

This is correct. Tech requirements are lax but gameplay requirements are pretty firm.

kingnick826d ago

Game engine aren't scalable, that's why every game in the past that released on consoles and PC was somehow destroyed because the game had to run on weaker console or PCs. /end sarcasm

If anything the PS4 will continue to be a factor gimping the PS5 as the cost of the PS5 doesn't fall over time like prior PS consoles and developers continue to develop for the PS4.

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jambola3d ago

maybe a real enemy is people who use terms like "the real enemy"
there can be more than 1 bad thing, t's not like a kids show with 1 big bad

senorfartcushion1d 23h ago

This is very much a “dummy who volunteers themselves to the middle” comment.

The real enemy is a common phrase, people use it all the time.

Calm down.

jambola1d 19h ago

i'm very calm
you seem very upset however

Notellin1d 8h ago

You don't seem calm at all. Don't take this so seriously, you seem desperate responding to others defending your opinion that lacks any value or critical thought.

jambola1d 7h ago

stop projecting
i'm not desperately dong anything, i'm tapping at keys on my keyboard bud

PapaBop1d 7h ago

It's not like kids show with one bad guy? I present to you.. Bobby Kotick

ABizzel11d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

DEI was never the problem and it was an ignorant take to begin with.

DEI is why games like Kena Bridge of Spirits, South of Midnight, and Ghost of Tsushima exist.

DEI is why we have a huge resurgence in Japanese, Chineses, and Korean developers producing games like Stellar Blade, Black Myth, and why Nintendo & Sony exist.

DEI is why more and more games have HUGE accessibility options with both Sony and MS fully behind this.

DEI was never a bad thing, the entire purpose of DEI is representation of all people, genders, disabilities, etc…

The problem was people used DEI as a default derogatory term to describe what they believed was forced representation, which allowed colorist, racist, sexist, misogynist, homophobic, and xenophobic fools to run away with the negative DEI narrative.

jambola18h ago

you don't get to decide other people's motivations
sorry to break it to you

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Sciurus_vulgaris3d ago

Executives seem to often have an obsession with perpetual revenue growth. There is always a finite amount of consumers for a product regardless of growth. Additionally, over investment is another serious issue in gaming.

Killer2020UK1d 21h ago

The fact that they also rarely have any real expertise in game development compounds things. They'll look at what's been successful elsewhere, lack the knowledge to properly understand why they have been successful and then force a team to 'reproduce' their badly interpreted idea of that success.

We see it so often with sequels to games that were successful too. The team are left well alone, they have a break through hit and all of sudden the money men descend on the IP and completely railroad the dev team's ideas. Usually winds up being 'make the same game but MORE'

LoveSpuds1d 8h ago

This is true throughout all of the corporate and public sector organisations to be honest. CEO's generally move amongst the corporate world without any need to have experience of a particular industry, they simply need to rely on their senior leadership credentials. A CEO of a retail giant will just as easily transition to a CEO role in the energy sector for example.

Not defending CEOs here to be clear, I think it's a huge part of the reason the western world is so fucked up. CEOs don't need to care about the sector they work in, in fact it's better if they don't care if they want to screw everyone to make profits.

GhostScholar1d 21h ago

Companies don’t hire executives to break even. If the goal is breaking even then why start the company in the first place.

Soy1d 20h ago

That's understood; it's getting record profits and expecting to always beat those record profits, and seeing anything less as a total failure. Then they lay people off and raise prices to reach those record profit levels again, just to sate shareholders. It's setting expectations way too high just to spike share prices, then inevitably falling short. It's feeling entitled to being more successful than everyone else. It's the CEOs doing all this to boost their own bonuses.

ABizzel11d 5h ago

Growth benefits the company’s profits and therefore the company’s stock if publicly traded, which pleases the shareholders making them more and more rich, which is why Growth is always at the forefront of the vast majority of any publicly traded company.

More growth = More Money and the people at the top want all the money they can get. I can’t really blame them anyone would love to see their profits go from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, to multi-millions it’s almost like a gambling addiction.

But it also goes to show someone how morals can go out the window for a lot of these people, and how amazing some CEOs are when they catch this early and provide a balance solution that takes complete care of their employees across the board while keeping the business sustainable IE: Insomniac Games ALWAYS on the best places to work list. The rest of the industry could learn.

jambola3d ago

honestly, the "real" enemy of gaming, is ourselves
if nobody bought horse armor, shitty dlc would have died almost overnight
if we stood firm and nobody bought games from companies that were bad with layoffs, it would be solved
we're the idiots supporting awful business practices, we are the ones enouraging it

TiredGamer2d ago

I think the reality that we don't want to convince ourselves of is that without the rise of "horse armor" and DLC, game budgets would have essentially stagnated (smaller teams/smaller games), or game prices would have risen much more dramatically than they have. There was an incessant drive for bigger worlds, infinite detail, and hundreds of hours of "gameplay" over the last two decades, that while perhaps a natural evolution of things, needed a suitable funding stream to accomplish.

HyperMoused1d 14h ago

What...CEOs make tens of millions and that doesnt include SLT etc etc...we now have multiple editions of games, in game currency, MT's, battle passes.....and what do we get..worse game than what was coming out 20 years ago....dont drink the cool aid, its this nickel and dime crap that is absolutely leading us to gaming destruction.

senorfartcushion1d 23h ago

This is the worst possible answer to this conundrum. Blaming the masses is blaming the only people who are constantly “told” to buy.

Consumers are the only ones not to blame here. People make their own choices all the time. Disney movies are bombing and DEInis being blamed. Has that been enough to put Disney out of business? No and it never will.

Christopher1d 22h ago

Disagree. Businesses are able to do what they do because people are bad consumers and don't think critically about purchases. Disney got away with doing shit stuff for years and it's just the last year where people got tired of it. It's not like it didn't work for 5 years or so for Disney to do the things they've done. They'll just move onto another way to get people to see movies and it will be just as bad but more profitable until people wake up and realize it.

TiredGamer1d 21h ago

Consumerism drives business behavior. It's not so much "blaming" as it is observing behavior. The point I'm making is that the direction that games have gone are driven by the spending. Consumers are spending on DLC and they are driving the expectation of more glitz and padded out (lengthier) games. If they continue to pay, they will continue to drive that direction until a threshold is reached that forces a change in behavior.

senorfartcushion1d 21h ago

Corporate advertising is the most powerful force on the planet.

This is N4G for god sake, every day there are arguments between people who are Team Xbox and Team PlayStation because they’ve been convinced that having an identity built on paying money to Sony and Microsoft matters more than having one as individual gamers who can play whatever they want.

And THEN we get to the corporate advertising part: to play whatever you want is to sink MORE into the advertising pits, making it so that you can more than one specific product.

jambola1d 19h ago

ah you're right
they were told to buy it, it's clearly impossible to avoid that
if enough people stopped supporting, it would stop
disney not stopping would only be because enough people didn't stop

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victorMaje1d 22h ago

Agreed. I’ve been saying for years, announce you won’t be buying the upcoming game because of the practices of the previous game, then you only have to stick to your guns once, see how quickly things change for the better.

We have to unite in what we shouldn’t purchase.

jambola1d 19h ago

just imagine a world, fifa came out worse, nobody buys the next one until they see proof it's better and stick to it
or games being forced online for single player and nobody buys it
things would change so fast

HyperMoused1d 14h ago

Just like scooby doo, you have shown us the real monsters are us

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Inverno2d ago

Greed and greedy people have and always will be the main issue for everything wrong in the world. Everything is a product to be exploited for monetary gain. Even when there are things that could help progress us along for the sake of making our lives easier that thing must be exploited for monetary gains. Anything that tells you otherwise is propaganda to make you complicit.

coolfool2d ago

I've never thought "DEI" (although the way most people use it doesn't match it's real definition) is the problem with games. Good games have continued to be good when they have a diverse cast, and likewise, bad games have continued to be bad. There isn't a credible example I've seen where a diverse cast has been the direct cause of a game being bad.

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