That’s crazy they want to get more money from their consumers they want $70 from their consumers as oppose to giving it at a cheaper entry point. Yet their fans will still defend them. I don’t get it.
No I understand that aspect. It just seems this whole ordeal is really bad PR for Sony the more it goes on because everyone is slowly supporting it except them.
What I don’t get is PlayStation owners defending Sony. literally everyone outside the Xbox ecosystem is benefitting immensely. Yet PlayStation owners are talking crap still. We’ll get cal of duty for way cheaper everyone will if it gets on streaming services. It’s a win win for everyone.
1) We know that the publisher doesn’t have to take the f*cking deal. What WE as uninformed consumers don’t know is how much since it’s a case by case basis. Obviously, good enough for the publisher to agree to or they wouldn’t take it. I’d assume they base it on total subscribers and the publisher’s projected sales on the platform and pay a difference to make up for loss sales by the number of subscribers.
2) nobody is stopping people from buying the retail game if you’re a Gamepass subscriber or not. “Oh how dare this terrible awful corporation put these games on Gamepass… but well, I could go out and buy it, but but… it’s already on here so I’ll play it, but my god Microsoft is scum for putting a shotgun to these publisher’s heads and deep throating them with cash and giving consumers options!”
Finally, can you send me an article of a developer complaining they went into financial ruin because their game was on Gamepass. I challenge you to give me 5. That’s a small fraction of total games that have been on Gamepass. It should be easy if it’s so damn terrible for the industry.
I mean we are talking about people that for some reason took a computer with a fancy case as the pillar of their entire personality. We shouldn't expect much from them.
Yes because I am sure MS is going to offer COD on PS+ for free or very cheap right? Didn't Sony come out and say MS is offering it to them at a high price and they would have to increase prices? I wonder why MS kept that part out? If that were to happen, I would bet you and your ilk would be the 1st in attacking Sony for increasing prices.
This doesn't benefit Sony in anyway way. Not only would they have to pay a lot of money to MS to bring COD to PS, they would be losing out on sales. Xbox is in a position to be bailed out by Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo have to smart about their
But they don't mind paying developers to make their games be on par with xbox series X. They also don't mind paying for exclusivity or paying developers to keep games off game pass or the xbox platform. How does that benefit consumers. Wouldn't it be better to pay MS that money and make their install base happy by providing Call of Duty to Playstation Plus subscribers.
You are not very smart are you? You do know MS literally also pays for exclusive games right? Let me guess you didn't. Care to guess why there are some 3rd party game that have yet to release on Playstation, but are currently exclusive to Xbox? Warhammer 40K darktide, Scorn, High on life, The Gunk, and more? Just take a wild guess.
Seriously you have no idea how a business works do you? Why would Sony spend all the money on COD alone if it's going to force them to raise prices to either break even of make a profit? I have the basic PS+ and don't want Sony making stupid decisions that will force them to increase prices. Can you ask why MS didn't pay to have Elden Ring on GP? How about Hogwarts Legacy? Dead Space remake? They have the money right? Plus it would make their fans happy right? Why don't they?
@Redemption Did I ever say MS doesn't do that we all know they do lol the only people who don't are people living under a rock. But lets be honest Sony has been doing those shady practices way before MS even entered the gaming industry just google it. Ive been pretty clear with my stance on that regard that the government should look into those shady practices regardless of who does it. But of course they don't care.
Why would Sony spend all that money on Call of Duty lol it seems you are not the smart one. Do you not see all the fuss they are making over guess what game Call of Duty. It's clearly very important to them for them to make a huge commotion over just one game. Guess what since you're so smart if this deal goes through I bet you Sony will shell out the money to have it on Playstation Plus but they are simply trying to stop the whole deal.
As far as why MS is not paying those developers to have those games on Game Pass i don't work for them. I can't speculate whether they are having those discussions or not. So why are you speculating lets be honest neither of us know why none of those games are not on game pass we can only speculate.
Wait, what? You mean Microsoft and Xbox fans want Xbox to be the only platform so that they can charge as they like. That's the whole gameplan with Gamepass, and Microsoft has a history of doing that crap, you're delusion if you say any differently.
Right. I don't see anyone asking how much it would cost Sony to do so. MS saying they'll make COD available to PS Plus is meaningless without considering details around the deal. Just empty promises with hopes to win the hearts
"Tell Sony to stop taking away 3rd party games, that are supposed to release on all platforms."
Another one that thinks 3rd party timed or paying for the development of exclusive content is the same as spending 80 billion on two multiplatform publishers.
...also MS are not only buying up the multiplatform market they are also doing what you're criticizing Sony for, Stalker 2, Ark 2 and Kojima studios just off the top of my head.
So when Sony force a third party game exclusive, it is because the game “sell” better on Playstation, but when MS does the same thing, you people call them out for not making new games?
No wonder why companies mostly don’t listen to opinion of internet gamer.
You must be a new age gamer that just started gaming recently, can't say i blame you for being misinformed. Waiting till you learn, not only does MS pay for 3rd party games and also keeps them off other platforms, they have been doing for years. COD exclusive content literally began with them.
Show me proof where Sony stop taking 3rd party game away from other platforms? Why would developer spend time and money to optimize a game that wont sell well on a console that wont make them money? Majority of the time when games are released on both consoles, Sony typically outsell Xbox 3:1. 3rd party developers will make deal with parties that benefit them.
“ Why would developer spend time and money to optimize a game that wont sell well on a console that wont make them money?”
If third party doesn’t want to make game on Xbox due to “low profit” then how come MS is wrong for wanting to acquire more studios so they could make more game for THEIR console instead of relying on third party which in your word doesn’t want to optimize or make game for them?
When has the consumer lost on a scale like this in the gaming industry?
Especially when MS has made every game available on multiple platforms. Honored every contract even after purchase and is literally given CoD to Sony in every possible way imaginable?
"What about all the other Activision Blizzard games?"
That's a good question...notice how Sony doesn't care about any other purchase from MS, from Mojang to Zenimax and everything in between. Notice how Sony hasn't made a peep about Doom, Crash, Candy Crush, Fallout, Starfield, there only concern is CoD.
This should tell you and everyone else how absurd this narrative of monoplies and market consolidation from MS is, if Sony isn't worried about any of this and only one game franchise , then why are you?
"When has the consumer lost on a scale like this in the gaming industry?"
You mean like when publishers like EA buy up and close down studios, or when Activision has? With MS buying up the market, we have the same thing but on an even bigger scale but without 3 platforms paying full price for titles.
"notice how Sony doesn't care about any other purchase from MS, from Mojang to Zenimax and everything in between. Notice how Sony hasn't made a peep about Doom, Crash, Candy Crush, Fallout, Starfield, there only concern is CoD."
Because it's more damaging to Bethesda to lose it's biggest console market and Bethesda games don't have a large enough player base to effect PS sales compared to CoD same with other Activision titles. The player base will miss those titles and MS banning future releases is an anti-gamer move but they won't effect Sonys bottom line like CoD.
"This should tell you and everyone else how absurd this narrative of monoplies and market consolidation from MS is, if Sony isn't worried about any of this and only one game franchise , then why are you?"
The FTC, the EU and the CMA are absurd now? "The UK's Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) has said it is opposed to Microsoft's planned purchase of games developer Activision Blizzard. The CMA said it had provisionally concluded it would result in higher prices, fewer choices and less innovation." As for me having future multiplatform publisher games removed from any system is a shi**y to do, as a gamer I thought you'd agree with that too... unless you're just a sad little fanboy who only cares about their weird brand fetish.
"Another one that thinks 3rd party timed or paying for the development of exclusive content is the same as spending 80 billion on two multiplatform publishers."
It's funny you say timed when none of those games I listed in the other thread that released never hit Xbox sony's definition of "timed" is sketchy. Only those 2 Bethesda titles were timed because of course they are MS owns those games. In fact Sifu is releasing the time it's suppose to. So far that's the only game that's "timed".
Sony's spending money to keep games off the console like they OWN these 3rd party titles. Sony doesn't even own any of these Ip's take Final Fantasy for example. They don't own it at all. So why not ask Sony to buy the IP off Square instead of throwing money to make it their own, like it's a exclusive? They're already paying them to keep exclusive why not pay extra to own the IP I seriously don't get it. At least MS owns Bethesda to have games to keep as their own. They have say because they own these games.
"You mean like when publishers like EA buy up and close down studios, or when Activision has?"
You mean publishers like Sony, MS, Google, etc etc etc etc etc etc....this has been happening in the industry since it's beginning? Who says MS is going to close any of them down, in fact how long has it been since MS closed any of their own studios?
"The player base will miss those titles and MS banning future releases is an anti-gamer move but they won't effect Sonys bottom line like CoD."
Anti-gamer move? You're seriously just making this up as you go along. Zenimax sold to MS, the same way Activision did, they weren't forced into some shady backroom deal to sell.
The player base won't miss those titles because MS has provided multiple platforms where those games can still be played, a lot more platforms than Sony offers with their own first party games.
"The FTC, the EU and the CMA are absurd now?"
Yes it is, because the only reason they're pushing back is because Sony has made direct complaints about the deal. You truly think anyone of those institutions you mentioned knew or cared about CoD but yet let Zenimax and Mojang get by? No, it wasn't until Sony made a case with this particular deal that the FTC, CMA, etc got involved.
"...unless you're just a sad little fanboy who only cares about their weird brand fetish."
Says the guy making up fantasy torture porn about MS and the fate of gamers.
"You mean publishers like Sony, MS, Google, etc etc etc etc etc etc....this has been happening in the industry since it's beginning? Who says MS is going to close any of them down, in fact how long has it been since MS closed any of their own studios?"
So what your saying is you want the same and because it's always been this way, but now it's at risk of happening at a larger scale as MS is consolidating the industry... also literally just fired staff from Xbox and Bethesda because Azure growth was lower than expected!
"The player base won't miss those titles because MS has provided multiple platforms where those games can still be played, a lot more platforms than Sony offers with their own first party games."
You mean the platforms that don't play CoD which is why it's not currently on those systems, if those deals were financially beneficial to both parties the games would already be there.
"Yes it is, because the only reason they're pushing back is because Sony has made direct complaints about the deal. You truly think anyone of those institutions you mentioned knew or cared about CoD but yet let Zenimax and Mojang get by? No, it wasn't until Sony made a case with this particular deal that the FTC, CMA, etc got involved."
That's how things work, you need a complaint for it to be investigated.
"Says the guy making up fantasy torture porn about MS and the fate of gamers."
If it were fantasy it wouldn't have been rejected by the CMA.
Honestly no one really knows, Sony would lose revenue and players. MS it wont go as plan for them, crash and burn but who really 100% knows what will happen
If Microsoft is so convinced this deal is a sure thing why are they so persistent with Sony accepting a ten year agreement? They know they screwed if the UK regulator says no, then EU will likely follow suit.
Sony wont accept any deal, the regulators are now understanding this. The condition of the sale is not based on if Sony accepts a deal but rather that MS offered to make concessions. To which they have it all in writing and even Nintendo and Nvidia have agreed to. Sony still choosing not to join then that's on them. Sony could either be guaranteed 10 years of parity or get nothing.
It’s about ensuring that there is no market dominance leading to unfair and anti consumer practises. If this was a sure fire thing it would have gone through already. They have already made the recommendation that COD be split off. So CMA will likely not be swayed by offers made.
I mean if you look at in a business perspective. COD sells really really well on the Playstation. I dont know if Microsoft would try ruin that... but again, MS dont think about stuff like that.
Ofc MS would do this. They know they can make billions from PS if the deal goes through. So they're not losing anything by making this proposition, on the contrary. That's exactly why Jim Ryan doesn't want the deal. Because that'd be equivalent to Sony paying billions to their biggest competitor every year. It'd be dumb from a business standpoint.
I dont get why Sony payed that much for them then to make it multiplatform. The Activision deal is way bigger then Bungie, so that should mean all Cod games would have to be multiplatform at least, maybe some other games also.
This is hilarious because this is just like when xbox was trying to make a deal for final fantasy online. Difference is microsoft was open to a deal, doubt Sony has ever been open to working with Microsoft. Deserved sony.
Anybody that has played poker understands why there are preset rules for buying back in after losing.
Xbox is doing the equivalent of using their dad’s Amex to buy back in after running dry on chips 5 times in a night. Except, they’re now trying to buy back more chips than the entire table/competitors have accumulated.
Sony has a good chip position because Xbox played their hands poorly all night. Now, Xbox wants to nullify that earned position of power by having their rich daddy M$ buy them enough chips to push Sony all-in every hand if they choose.
Xbox didn’t earn this power position that this deal will allow… M$ makes it possible with Office money. In contrast, Sony is sitting pretty because THEY delivered on their promises.
Don’t let M$ buy Xbox out of a decade+ of bad decisions, and reorganize the entire industry in the process.
That is not good for gaming, no matter how cheap they try to make CoD.
You think 10 years matters to Sony? It's a company that has been around for almost 100 years and their gaming division has been around for over 30 years. They are looking at this for decades to come. If Microsoft is offering such a great deal for 10 years, then that means that they really stand to gain from this acquisition in the long run.
Yet this is still not good enough.
That’s crazy they want to get more money from their consumers they want $70 from their consumers as oppose to giving it at a cheaper entry point. Yet their fans will still defend them. I don’t get it.
Sony can't afford that even if they wanted it.
What about all the other Activision Blizzard games?
How about this MS, stop buying up the multiplatform market and spending billions on games that are already coming to Xbox and make new games instead.
Market consolidation on this scale has never benefited anyone but CEO's and shareholders, the consumer always loses
I think Sony should not agree to anything and let ms get and burn for it.