Getting those dirty deals to block games from gamepass and multiplatform contract info will be huge for the deal.... Sony also not providing documentation to "prove" their claims is good for MS... This is how courts works no proof.. Then its just pip talk
No it won't be huge for the deal that is the how the law works. 1) sonys 3rd party agreements are times and Microsoft does exactly the same thing with titles they have marketing agreements for and ps plus 2) buying a publisher is completely incomparable to 3rd party toned exclusivity deals 3) in law two wrongs don't make a right. Even if sonts actions would be considered anti-competitive that has literally zero bearing on wether or not the activision blizzard acquisition would be anti-competitive and bad for consumers in the medium to long term. If MS have a serious issue with sony's deals its welcome to bring antitrust cases against Sony if it feels there is an issue.
This article is a bunch of word salad but what is the point or story? All they are doing is stating statutes. Nothing about this case is being directly stated.
Obviously you didn’t read the article. Ms isn’t forcing Sony to do anything. It’s called the law and had you bothered to read the article, it goes into detail about the legal processes involved.
To put it another way, know what you’re talking about before making a comment that screams ignorance.
As for the article, interesting that Sony hasn’t backed up their claims with some sort of paperwork. They have accused MS from the get go and they have to back up their claims. Seems like an easy and reasonable request for documents proving what they are saying.
because MS real objective is to get those dirty deals sony is making ..certainly the ones were sony is paying millions to keep games out of gamepass which will cause them problems ... sony never went out defending about this certain claim by Microsoft which was a direct and public claim and sony knows its true so the act like they didnt hear a thing or they wouldve went to court
For those that got nose deep in the article waters here is a few points 1 Microsoft need documentation(discovery ) to defend themselves their accuser’s 2 Microsoft accuser’s can exclude information they deem secret or trademarked 3 The courts have ways to extricate what’s considered secret or trademark. Microsoft can’t be denied the purchase based on documents deemed secret as the law say they need to know what they defending from.
Now think about it this way let’s say KFC is suing Popeyes for whatever reasons, Popeyes have the right of discovery ask for information they can include KFC seasoning recipe but that doesn’t mean they’ll get it, the court will have to go through all the documents to match them to what is considered secret and exclude it or provide it according tho the case needs
Rlow: “As for the article, interesting that Sony hasn’t backed up their claims with some sort of paperwork” Do you really think Sony hasn’t produced any documentation?🤦ㇿ 9; If Sony hasn’t provided any documentation the case would had been thrown out of courts a long time ago and Sony would had been fined for frivolous suits.
@1Victor "Sony would had been fined for frivolous suits."
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, Sony isn't suing Microsoft here and hasn't filed a lawsuit of any kind, they've simply made claims to FTC and EC. The deal is being looked at by governments because the size of the deal, It's the regulators job to observe trade deals and seek to block them as they see fit.
Sony's stance has nothing to do with Microsoft asking for information irrelevant to their statements and the case of whether MS should be allowed to buy Activision/Blizzard/King. Quit acting like this is a Sony versus Microsoft thing. Sony stated things that were shown as true when MS documents came out. Such as, how GamePass is not good for the market and they're only getting games on there the way they had been because they are paying a lot of extra money to have the service take off. It's not a viable and good service in any type of business sense. This is MS trying to control a market, and then they are taking their GamePass ideals and money dumping and trying to use it on the market now and therefore, back to GamePass so that they will be denying competition to any other game subscription service.
Yes they can they can force sony to expose all the deals they made to keep games off game pass and all the games they paid to keep content off xbox to give them a advantage so sorry sony you played yourself cough it up.
So if someone, in a court of law accused you of something, you wouldn’t ask for evidence, you’re just gonna take their word for it? Sony has pushed some strong allegations, and asking them to prove it is desperation?
Yes, they shouldn't be allowed to buy a major third party developer in the first place, to take games away from an already existing fanbase for more then three decades just because you can't manage the 20something studios you already have.
It's poor form on Ms part and desperate to buy a pub for 69billion when you didn't need to because the games were coming to your system to begin with, and for a small fraction of that 69bil you could've had as many triple A production in your pipeline for years to come.
You didn't refute a single thing he said, just regurgitated the same old talking points you fanboys scream until the end of time. It's well known Sony bought Psygnosis to enter gaming back in the day. Why weren't you crying then?
Sony is only looking out and going to bat for they're fanbase what do you expect them to do? But the burden of proof is on Ms to prove why in 4 console cycles with 2trillion to back you and 20something (at they're respective times) highly regarded studios can't you compete with sony??
It's clear that Ms thought that copy and pasting everybody else strategies (wii motion control, let's make connect, psnow let's make gamepass, Sony acquiring smaller game developers, let's do that, single player games are dead, but sees sony single player games sell 20mil units, lets backtrack)
Ms really doesn't have it's own identity in the gaming space because each new popular idea that Sony or Nintendo come up with they literally copy and paste it and just throw money at it regardless of talent behind it, they think that breeds success...and its pathetic really and just shows Ms never did any real research before trying to consolidate gaming they always thought just throw money and specs at something and the problem would take care of itself.
@settrip see it would be logic if what you said were fact. In reality everything you stated is hearsay and based upon personal preference and bias. Those 30 million can still play Activision games some will be locked to Xbox some will not and also be available via gamepass on all tablets, PC, and the most affordable Xbox. It’s also not poor form or desperation it’s business. See Sony has made companies sign contracts to totally lock games from Xbox to include making sure they don’t release on game pass… doesn’t this hurt competition, and also bad form and desperation? Lastly, if MS has the money to acquire them so be it, because if Sony had the cash they would too.
I'm objective xbox just isn't good enough on any level to compete with sony in gaming and now ppl are calling sony desperate trying to block MS desperate move to compete it's hilarious to me actually.
But the dangers of what MS is doing is a cancer to gaming periode.
Xbox had ample time to build they're brand just like sony and Nintendo and just because they are a tech giant they thought they were going to make huge and quick profit from gaming and it didn't work that way.there's much more to gaming then specs and loads of money and Sony is teaching them that lesson (burtally i might add)
You can't just buy the world because you can't compete, do you realize how dangerous that is (and you can extrapolate that out into every facet of life)?
We can all agree that pay to win in gaming is a cancer to fair competition why is this so hard to understand?
I operate on logic like I said and your bias Is showing my friend not mines, I just keep it a buck.
And Firewall Ultra coming soon. The first game was amazing. Literally hundreds of hours in that game!
And Factions 2. And Burning Sands, which is PS5 exclusive, so not bound by PS4. And Spider-man 2
This stupid MS deal is bringing the information flow to a halt. Nobody wants to show their hand, so we don't get to know what else is coming this year!
There is a HUGE difference between buying a studio with a few titles, and buying up a major publisher (of over 40yrs) who has multiple studios under it and even more ip's with many titles.
The difference is that MS can afford to acquire Activision. It's not different than when in the 90s Sony got in the gaming industry and made deals that Sega and Nintendo would struggle to afford such as acquiring Psygnosis whose games at the time accounted for 40% of game sales in Europe.
Why i should care when i cant play lot of games on my xbox because of 3rd party exclsuivity or studios bought by sony? Sony is screwing xbox gamers as they can... Just give them more pcket depth and you will see wonders
Game developers and publishers are to different things.
Peter Jackson is a great director but he couldn't found his vision so he goes to a major studio to pitch his idea they agree and give him a lump some of money because they see his vision.
Peter Jackson would be the developer in this instance.can you see the difference?
isnt that what i was saying..if they didnt buy those 3rd party games (FF a multiplatform IP and stellar blade (project eve whcih was a multiplatform project) also spiderman is originaly a multiplatform IP and insumaniac (the dev) is bought by sony after being a free dev....they wouldve had 1 exlusive and thats a VR game for game already released
i only see your comment as a proof of my point that seem that fanboys your level cant understand or maybe just cant read properly
Don't forget indies tchia and season, along with horizon burning shores Obviously they are waiting for their showcase to drop info on what all their internal devs are working on. Last of us online will almost assuredly release this yr, also the new twisted metal game is probably near completion. Bluepointe has teased their new release. Uncharted is clearly being rebooted and if the new playstation commercial is anything to go by, it will be releasing soon. Silent hill 2 remake, I could keep going. UT I'm sure they get the picture. When Sony does finally do their showcase, jaws are going to drop guaranteed.
Why do y'all keep counting Horizon CotM in comparison to standard console games?
VR has been around for a while now, and I never seen many comparisons to standard games. Comparing VR to standard console games is a reach, it's like comparing console games to cell phone games...
Some people barely believe in comparing Nintendo games to MS and Sony games, just because the Switch is a Handheld. Let's us not pretend that VR games are somehow a Metric for Console output, it's a luxury, an add on, a niche device. No one ever compares Oculus to the PS5 or Xbox, no need to start now.
Sony buy studios without any products. Name a game insomniac owns? Sunset Overdrive? That’s it! That’s why they were 200 mil. They paid that for the pure talent. Bungie owns 1 I.P. Housemarque?
Unlike you i don't need to protect any particular box"
Good for you but that's not everybody's situation some can't afford both, others just like one more then the other, alot of us only have time for one me myself, Ms lost me in the 360 Era and I will not support.i love gaming as a real genuine artform ran and lead and developed by highly intelligent people, these are engineers, coders, artists, story tellers etc, so people (or gamers like me) expect an intelligent product, Sony and Nintendo give me that respect and I give them my money for it.
Both companies blocks deals from each other. Sonys smart. They have a in their contracts that says if we market your product you can’t add it to gamepass without first adding it to our services.
i think gamers always love to hate on xbox, actually Microsoft is the only company that is storng enough to stand there ground vs sony now even nintendo went into their own direction to not fight sony directly ...microsoft is taking punches from sony with all their dirty deals against GP and xbox (buying exclusivity and studios) ...whether you like xbox or not it a necessary compition,sony just controller the market and rised games prices to 70 and sells remakes for 70$ also charges for PS123 games even if you own them to play on ps5 ...they raised a 2 yo console price ...they even charge for "next gen upgrade" 10$
if any other company was facing sony they wouldve go down and then sony will go more agressive xbox need to go pair on pair or we are scrowed
I'd rather Sony and Nintendo keep doing what they are doing with gaming than Microsofts approach, which is just throwing their money around to try and start a subscription only monopoly by buying up all the big IPs. They are a stain on gaming and I hope that the regulators stop this nonsense acquisition or at least, heavy concessions if it's passes, it's complete nonsense that MS need activision to compete when they already own more studios and IPs than Sony, playing the victim as a poor smol 2 trillion company that lays off bethesda staff while dangling this 80 billion dollar deal in front of them.
Lmao. Ms can't force sony to do anything. It must be ruled on. Fishing for info that suits ms needs doesn't hold up in court.
Only the courts do something because as much as Sony they want to block the deal too imo.
This is getting so damn petty and reeks of desperation from MS.
Well lets see the sony rotten core
Sony cry about MS buying ABK but they buy studios and multiplatform games
Sony have only 1 exclsuive this year and buying 3rd party games to cover for it
@ Flawlessmic
"Don't need to argue I have all 3 consoles lol
Unlike you i don't need to protect any particular box"
Good for you but that's not everybody's situation some can't afford both, others just like one more then the other, alot of us only have time for one me myself, Ms lost me in the 360 Era and I will not support.i love gaming as a real genuine artform ran and lead and developed by highly intelligent people, these are engineers, coders, artists, story tellers etc, so people (or gamers like me) expect an intelligent product, Sony and Nintendo give me that respect and I give them my money for it.