The Chinese giant is the current leader in the video game market, and the European Video Game Federation points out that we must try to compete against it
"I was told that the only way to stop Tencent is to allow Microsoft to buy up the industry."
Lol. Then Tencent itself wants to be stoped once they´d voted in favor of Activision/Blizzard´s acquisition by Microsoft.
"The third party expressed its concerns to China's antitrust regulator, the State Administration for Market Regulation, according to a Dealreporter item on Friday. The publication previously reported that two Chinese game operators, including Tencent (OTCPK:TCEHY), were supportive of the transaction."
It still is bad for the industry and MS is going for a monopoly. But if we're comparing the two, Microsoft is the one taking multiplatform things and making them exclusive. For example, the next Elder Scrolls game.
How is MS going for a monopoly when they have less studios than Tencent?
MS is taking multiplatform games and still making them multiplatform. The next Elder Scrolls will be Xbox, PC, Cloud, Steam and any device that has Game Pass.
"How is MS going for a monopoly when they have less studios than Tencent"
Gangsta you seem pretty misinformed. So would be great if you got FACTS to back you up. Last I checked 6 studios is far less than Xbox's 23. Yes the have invested in 800. But they only own 6. So this idea that Tencent is more of a threat than MS is complete fallacy. Sure they may buy more and get more aggressive, but, MS already has more studios and a lot of money kicking around.
"Currently, it owns 100% of developers such as Funcom, Riot Games, Sumo, Turtle Rock, Digital Extremes and Splash Damage."
"MS is taking multiplatform games and still making them multiplatform. The next Elder Scrolls will be Xbox, PC, Cloud, Steam and any device that has Game Pass. "
Notice the COMPETITOR platform missing from that? That tells you all you need to know.
And to answer your first point, it's not JUST about the number of studios a company has, it's WHO they have. Tencent is a threat sure, but out of the ones they bought, none of them had great marketshare (they only have 5 or 6 anyway). Microsoft on the other hand bought Bethesda and is going for Activision, juggernauts with big marketshare. And on a side note, Tencent actually owns very few companies, most of them they only have percentage shares in, not complete ownership
Oh wow, for once you're right, they don't own more studios but they are definitely bigger that MS in the gaming space and have invested shares in a wider variety of more developers than MS has. So that does prove at least that in the gaming landscape, MS does not and cannot have a monopoly.
"Notice the COMPETITOR platform missing from that? That tells you all you need to know."
I did, but that's not what you said, you said MS is making things exclusive, and that is not true. those games are not exclusive, they just won't be appearing on one platform.
Unless the definition of 'exclusive' has changed.
"Tencent is a threat sure, but out of the ones they bought, none of them had great marketshare"
That's not true either, Tencent has one of the biggest games under their belt with League of Legends and they're consider bigger than Google and Amazon in the gaming space. And they are steadily buying more shares in more studios only a matter of time before they own the majority.
"So that does prove at least that in the gaming landscape, MS does not and cannot have a monopoly."
That literally makes no sense. Tencent which you painted as some big bad evil owning a bunch of studios according to you and all you proved is that you actually don't ever have any facts backing any of your arguments.
You go in blindly defending Microsoft/Xbox without thought like a drone. It's absolutely 💯 idiotic.
Microsoft does and has taken away Multiplatform franchises away from gamers after Spencer suggested that's not what gaming is about. Tencent for all you complain only really does invest and make Multiplatform games. That's the opposite of monopolizing.
So yeah Microsoft and Xbox are starting down towards monopolizing IPs. It's absolutely not great for gamers like you and other Xbox fans seem to perceive things. All these games you would have got on Xbox regardless too.
Also how come Nintendo shouldn't be involved?! Lol
Regardless of what anyone says there are some people on both sides who can't be convinced. But as a gamer how is taking games away from other platforms being good for gamers
Ms bought zenimax and all their future games will not be available on PlayStation so yes they are buying publishers and taking away franchises from PlayStation
Now they will guarantee COD on PlayStation but Activision makes more than COD and they will take away those games from PlayStation
Please stop this nonsense of defending MS even when they are doing something that doesn't benefit gamers
I hope Activision deal vets denied because it doesn't benefit gamers. It benefits Xbox ONLY. So they can't compete with PlayStation so they just gave up and started buying up the competition
@lodossrage it’s Sony only players who keep saying they going to make things exclusive. They haven’t did such a thing yet , except with new IPS. Doesn’t Sony do that to though , it’s Sonys own fault they don’t have the funds to make certain purchases.
Idk who told you that, MS is kinda evil about it (if you look at their previous history of creating monopolies), Tencent, may or may not be worse, but I'd rather neither have the monopoly if possible.
Preventing Tencent from acquiring Activision is like a top 5 reason why some want the deal to go through. Just like how preventing Amazon, Google, Apple from acquiring studios/publishers was/is a thing too. Everyone can't acquire Activision except for Microsoft!
Tencent and Embracer have been quietly acquiring studios for 5 to 6 years now and they have no plans on stopping. The only thing MS and Sony can do is, well nothing. Leave ABK alone and let it crumble through crappy leadership.
Plus all MS wants to do is own Cod so they can have permanent marketing rights and put it on gamepass that's it, nothing more nothing less. Cod marketing rights worked for MS it worked for Sony now MS wants it again on the permanent basis. I said this about Sony and the same logic applies to MS. If they like Cod styled games so much why dont they make their own? With all the studios MS just needs to make their own instead of buying up the publisher.
Wow you're so wrong on so many things its not even funny. First Tencent owns only 6 studios in total. Making investments in Epic or other companies is not the same as having controlling interest in them or running them.
As for Sony making their own COD. If it's so easy then why has no shooter beaten COD? Couldn't you say the same about Xbox/Microsoft?! Seems like $76 billion be used to make a COD clone?! Plus if they only wanted COD marketing rights then pretty sure they could buy it for eternity for a fraction or $76 billion.
According to MS/Xbox they don't want IPs they only want the mobile division. Which is specifically why the CMA suggested COD, Activision and Blizzard all be sold off as a solution.
@Chev Sure For now but I mentioned Embracer who's moving quicker than Tencent. They own more than 76 Studios. So Much for me being wrong on "so many levels" you need to point out my whole comment not cherry pick.
"Couldn't you say the same about Xbox/Microsoft?! Seems like $76 billion be used to make a COD clone?! "
You know that's funny because that's exactly what I Just did.
That's what I said.
" I said this about Sony and the same logic applies to MS. If they like Cod styled games so much why dont they make their own?"
You talk about about someone being a drone blind. When you're the one who swoops in to defend Sony's honor like Sony's your lord and savior every single time. You may need a psychiatrist.
You're so high strung and offended for no reason you lost the ability to read
Again not seeing why anything you said makes a publisher sale of Activision okay. Also why is Embracer an issue?! They make Multiplatform games so how does that really affect Xbox?! Since Embracer games all end up on Xbox anyways.
You make it seem like Embracer having so many studios is going to stop Microsoft some way. Which again is idiotic since they're doing Multiplatform games that end on Xbox. Whereas Xbox actually IS removing Multiplatform titles and making them exclusive.
So again regal us with the evils of how Embracer is set to mess up the industry. I'll wait.
@Outside I mean other than Tencent , Microsoft is the only ones who can afford to do such. Sony can’t neither can Nintendo so there’s that, I rather Microsoft buy whoever then Tencent.
"Again not seeing why anything you said makes a publisher sale of Activision okay."
@Chev is reading that hard? Serious question.
When I make a comment saying.
"I said this about Sony and the same logic applies to MS. If they like Cod styled games so much why dont they make their own? With all the studios MS just needs to make their own instead of buying up the publisher"
Take it slow... Read 10 to 15 times and you'll see where I stand about this ABK stuff. What do you think I mean when I Make a statement like this. That's your homework.
"They make Multiplatform games so how does that really affect Xbox?! Since Embracer games all end up on Xbox anyways."
Embracer doesn't have a console of there own so where else will the games go?
"Which again is idiotic since they're doing Multiplatform games that end on Xbox. Whereas Xbox actually IS removing Multiplatform titles and making them exclusive."
Uh yeaaaah again MS has a console to put it on. Does Embracer have a machine to make exclusives for?
"So again regal us with the evils of how Embracer is set to mess up the industry. I'll wait."
Two things. I thought we were all against Embracer and Tencent but I guess MS is the one who kicked your dog and ran so there your worst enemy for life grrr lmao.
Ever heard of a game called Saints Row 4? The beloved IP that was so hot it was deemed the "GTA killer" for awhile yeah that game sucked badly. One of the worst games of last year easily. Poor sales reception and the future of The Saints Row is an extreme turmoil. Meaning the IP could get canned entirely. Who was the studio under again? That's right EMBRACER GROUP.
As I said originally. Leave ABK alone let them crumble under bad leadership. At the very least let them sink or swim.
"Two things. I thought we were all against Embracer and Tencent but I guess MS is the one who kicked your dog and ran so there your worst enemy for life grrr lmao."
Neither Embracer or Tencent which you're trying to suggest are one's to worry about bought a publisher and made their games that were previously Multiplatform exclusive though. MS/Xbox has done that. They're trying to buy a 2nd publisher. So how is Embracer or Tencent with their whole 6 studios worse?!
You're not really giving a good explanation how MS are better here when both these companies/publishers make games that are multiplatform which means you still get to play those games regardless of your console choice. So more options of where to play I'm not seeing anything bad about that.
"Ever heard of a game called Saints Row 4? The beloved IP that was so hot it was deemed the "GTA killer" for awhile yeah that game sucked badly. One of the worst games of last year easily. Poor sales reception and the future of The Saints Row is an extreme turmoil. Meaning the IP could get canned entirely. Who was the studio under again? That's right EMBRACER GROUP."
What does one poorly received IP under Embracer making them this huge bad guy type company? Poor selling games generally don't get sequels is a pretty normal thing.
Not every company can pour in $500 million into a bad game like Halo Infinite and still greenlight a follow-up. Generally games come and go in cycles. I doubt Saints Row is dead as a IP. Will probably be a longer break between new games though.
"Plus if you don't want big AAA's being turned to either microtransaction MOBAS and cell phone trash I'd reconsider your stance on Embracer and especially Tencent who promotes cell phone live service microtransaction games."
Well newsflash that's why Microsoft/Xbox apparently want to get Activision Blizzards Mobile division (apparently this is the main thing they want, just so happens that COD, Blizzard IPs are included - let's be honest MS 100% is lying that they only want the mobile division) so they can get in on those games and microtransactions. Because MS wants consistent money coming from mobile purchases. It's possible Tencent might release mobile games, but, I doubt they bought their whole whopping 6 studios to do mobile games.
"Seriously? That's one game that got screwed up badly. Why would you put vote of confidence in future games Embracer screwed up on?"
Because most companies have probably screwed up with their IPs at some point, it doesn't mean they can't turn it around. Maybe did you forget EA messing up Star Wars Battlefront? Then recently turning it around with recent Star Wars games? Nintendo, Xbox and Playstation has all messed up games in their franchises at one point or another and chug along and hopefully fix up the following gamed. No one's perfect.
As for Perfect Dark well who knows especially since Crystal Dynamic will be working on Amazon's new Tomb Raider game.
"Neither Embracer or Tencent which you're trying to suggest are one's to worry about bought a publisher and made their games that were previously Multiplatform exclusive though."
(sigh).... Exclusive to what? Do these two have a console we don't know about or something? What the hell are you talking about?
"You're not really giving a good explanation how MS are better here"
Doesn't matter. In case you haven't figured it out by now I'm against the deal anyway.
"They're trying to buy a 2nd publisher. So how is Embracer or Tencent with their whole 6 studios worse?!"
One has 6 and the other has 76+ studios. Regardless We don't know the quality of the games, how the studios will be handled. It's all up in the air. Plus if you don't want big AAA's being turned to either microtransaction MOBAS and cell phone trash I'd reconsider your stance on Embracer and especially Tencent who promotes cell phone live service microtransaction games.
"What does one poorly received IP under Embracer making them this huge bad guy type company? Poor selling games generally don't get sequels is a pretty normal thing."
Seriously? That's one game that got screwed up badly. Why would you put vote of confidence in future games Embracer screwed up on?
Hell I'm even more worried about Perfect Dark because Embracer group bought Crystal Dynamics.
"Not every company can pour in $500 million into a bad game like Halo Infinite and still greenlight a follow-up."
It's not "bad game" Nice dig the game has bad management don't forget. That's besides the point.
"I doubt Saints Row is dead as a IP. Will probably be a longer break between new games though."
Trust me the future for that game is very, very bleak. I don't think you understand how hard the game flopped.
Tencent seems to be of the belief of buy up any and everything regardless of quality. To be honest, with the way China's economy is starting to crack because of the real estate bubble they put themselves in combined with the aging workforce, I don't see the Chinese government being able to protect Tencent the way they normally do.
I think eventually all those small to mid level (and even the bigger ones) that they bought either full or partial ownership in are going to end up in a fire sale the way THQ did many years ago.
Again, this is just me speculating. I'm not some guru. Just me personally trying to look forward.
I'd rather see a company that will keep hundreds of games that were multiplatform multiplatform. Not a company that is gonna take them exclusively hundreds of games which also sold better on the competitors platform. Alright back to star ocean
Tencent keeps their games multiplatform for now. But they're based in China where all the hardware is manufactured. What's to stop them from releasing their own console, undercutting PS/XB/Ninty, and locking all their games to that console? They're worth 2.5x what Sony is, you don't think they'd look into making their own platform?
We don’t just like we don’t stop Tencent. It’s best companies to keep doing what they do and acquire smaller developers that could use a mega publishers support instead of acquiring the largest 3rd party publishers in the world like Microsoft.
Total distraction from what Microsoft are doing. Don't be misdirected away from the real issue. Tencent isn't spending 80 billion buying up publishers. Let me know when that happens. But we know who is dangerous to the game industry. Don't be fooled.
Tencent has more studios under them then both Sony and MS. so exactly what is the difference between buying multiple individual studios like Tencent and just two publishers like MS?
Again no they do NOT. They only own 6 studios! The ones they invest in all make multiplatform games! So they're not removing games from rivals. Microsoft/Xbox however are taking away Multiplatform games. Can't even get your own story straight or FACTS even so just stop arguing when you're straight up just wrong.
Again, point still stands that Tencent is bigger in the gaming market than MS and them positioning themselves as such will make them a dominant player in the market.
If Sony was so concerned about MS raising prices and such what's stopping Tencent from doing the same?
@lodoss
As explained above, MS games would not be exclusive, just not on PlayStation
"Again, point still stands that Tencent is bigger in the gaming market than MS and them positioning themselves as such will make them a dominant player in the market."
How so?! Again you make a bunch of unsubstantiated claims that you can't even back up! They can position all they want. You still haven't explained how they're set to be 'dominant' when they only own 6 studios. If they're so dominant then why is Microsoft making partnerships with Tencent/Riot?!
It's under a year since Microsoft starter this partnership with Riot/Tencent. Seems to me if anything Microsoft doesn't seem worried about Tencent at all. Yet here we have you and a bunch of people fake worried about Tencent as if they're some big bad company while Microsoft is literally a wolf in sheep's clothing. This article is just as idiotic as you are. It's unsubstantiated, not well researched and just poorly conceived.
"How happy are you right now, lol."
You mean catching you lying as usual without facts? About the same as usual. Just find it really idiotic that you just make crap up and present them as if it's some sort of fact. Your opinion isn't FACT. Get over yourself.
They're making games that are multiplatform and just investing in studios to make more money. How is it that them making pretty much multiplatform games that both Xbox and Sony benefits from even be considered bad?! Lol. Tencent only fully owns 6 studios!
Total FUD push for propaganda. Tencent's business is tiny compared to Sony or Microsoft once you remove the mobile games revenue. Also many of Tencent's investments are non-controlling stakes.
That might be true but allowing them to invest is a foot in the door. If China weren't a Communist nation bent on damaging other nations things using their legitimate businesses as a proxy for the CCP to control everything... people in the know wouldn't care as much.
nobody is stopping microsoft from expanding, but microsoft idea of expanding is taking over the entire industry, the EU needs to stand strong and not allow microsoft to damage competition
I am sick of many things for wars going on in our planet. This, climate changes, Russia war, racist and others. It is way too many wars on our planet right now. :( :( Earth is rough right now.
Tencent is not allow to make those mega investments outside of China now, by the CCP government. The Chinese government is actively compressing, forbidding, even persecuting anyone who is trying to make those kind of foreign investment.
I was told that the only way to stop Tencent is to allow Microsoft to buy up the industry.
Tencent seems to be of the belief of buy up any and everything regardless of quality. To be honest, with the way China's economy is starting to crack because of the real estate bubble they put themselves in combined with the aging workforce, I don't see the Chinese government being able to protect Tencent the way they normally do.
I think eventually all those small to mid level (and even the bigger ones) that they bought either full or partial ownership in are going to end up in a fire sale the way THQ did many years ago.
Again, this is just me speculating. I'm not some guru. Just me personally trying to look forward.
I'd rather see a company that will keep hundreds of games that were multiplatform multiplatform. Not a company that is gonna take them exclusively hundreds of games which also sold better on the competitors platform. Alright back to star ocean
But how do we stop the American giant?
Total distraction from what Microsoft are doing. Don't be misdirected away from the real issue. Tencent isn't spending 80 billion buying up publishers. Let me know when that happens. But we know who is dangerous to the game industry. Don't be fooled.