If they are diehard Xbox guys they have Game Pass and if they have Game Pass they will at least try it since it's free, unless Starfield is already out then it will be dead on arrival.
Rude... it is included with the membership at no additional charge. AKA "free", as most understand it. Doesn't matter if they are right or wrong, the point is they can play the game without shelling out any more $$ to do so.
No Darth as someone who signed up for next 3 years it's not free. I paid for the service expecting the games to be on the service day one
It can't be free if we sign up knowing these games will be on there day one. I understand your point but you also must understand free means just that FREE
The real difference in that "argument, the one a side is in denial of, is MS's intent to make subscriptions the only way to access games under their brand. The threat such a mentality represents to customers and their ownership of games. That other companies also offer subs shouldn't be reason to dismiss what MS is doing, it should be held against them as well.
@chris, I am paying for the service as a whole. Not one specific game or feature but the totality. That includes games for console, pc, online play...
Anything added is just part of that by default. Im not paying extra for anything specific. If GP had tiers like plus then I could see peoples point about paying extra for something offered in another tier.
OMG. The dame stupid diskussion free or not. The point is the marginal cost for playing Redfall if you own game pass is ZERO. That is the point it’s not that difficult
It's still sad people defend it though with the shitty "everyone has online" excuse
Having online is one issue but what happens when the servers finally go down? Your game is then useless in the future, it'll be worthless. Can't play it, can't sell it.
I swear people don't look at these things logically
If you give things like this a pass now it will come and bite you in the ass harder in years to come.
This is very well said bro! Great comment! And yeah if Xbox is so about game preservation then they need to stop making games always online. This applies to the whole industry too
As a primary PS gamer, I'm glad that they still have most of their games playable offline
If the servers do go down. They can easily modify the game to be played offline only. games have done this before, Right now, this is a non-issue. People just like to sensationalize things.
That's why it's a live service. You don't actually want to own it. Sales will be miniscule. Especially since most would have been on PlayStation anyways.
Unless the game mechanics are directly tied to some essential online/live function, there is no reason that, upon sunsetting in 5 or 10 years (if game popularity significantly wanes) that it can't be modified to function offline.
This is what I expect to occur with Gran Turismo 7, as I think the "always-online" aspects are tied to the car markets, credit system, and anti-cheating measures. Once the game is no longer financially significant to Sony (like when GT8 or GT9 come out), I can see this live aspect of the title being turned off and the game remaining playable into perpetuity.
To me, every instance of consumers pushing back against always-online where it is not warranted is reassuring. Don't be so quick to support these things, folks. Chances are, when companies do that, it's to collect your data or inflate their metrics. Maybe both. Still haven't played GT Sport.
right.... everyone says that just to bitch not even realizing how much of their current generation gaming is already using the sh*t out of their internet connections - ps5 and xbox users both (GT7 is also awlays online for example).
What i've learned is that people talk tough, and a fraction of those people actually follow though, and all of those people with the loudest voices are a tiny fraction of the millions upon millions of gamers who could honestly care less about how much online connectivity is required or about console wars in general - myself included.
The whole main point and draw of Redfall is to play multiplayer teams which obviously requires an internet connection. So if these people are saying they will pass because of the online component then I feel their comments are disingenuous as they are dismissing something that is required to use the biggest selling point of the game. Yes you don't have to play online but again, thats thats a second tier feature. Makes no logicial sense.
Unfortunately PC gamers are getting used to this. Several PC single-player games are using the Denuvo protection (including Redfall), and that protection always phones home if you want to play the game.
No internet... can't play. If Denuvo servers go down... can't play.
Basically, you pay full price for the game, but you don't really own the game.
I know not everyone has the greatest internet, but just being connected is enough. You don’t need fiber or anything expensive. I can only speak for myself, but I always have my home network up. If I don’t, I can’t watch TV, and I can’t work. Why don’t people freak out about Netflix always needing a network connection? I just don’t get why this is any different. Your network is up, you’re fine, hell hotspot with your phone if your network goes out. Fortnite, one of the most popular games out there is online only? Complaining about a game being online only may have been a thing back 2007, but jeezus I think it’s only an issue for the Amish at this point.
We’re in 2023 having working internet is kind of the norm.
Isn’t that the risk you take for all online only games? How much money have people dumped into GaaS games? Those eventually won’t be playable, but I think they get their money’s worth and after a while something new replaces it.
At some point we’re going to move to digital only. Digital sales already out pace physical sales and we’re seeing services like Game Pass and PS+ Premium pop-up with pretty good success.
I'm talking about single-player games that have denuvo. For example, if denuvo servers go down, all the games on the list become unplayable... https://store.steampowered....
Crimson there are dead spots and or live in the navy or remote areas I don't think gaming industry rn has the guts to do digital only unless ppl are going riot and when it's does you know I'll be moving on to a new hobby. Plus most gamers have grown up with a physical drive to insert their games so I think it's more than Amish issues it's a worldwide issue.
I feel like the navy, and i'm assuming you're referring to submarines, is such a small % of users that would be affected.
Not to mention, submarines do have network capabilities. It's just extremely limited when submerged and not surfaced. Plus... I dunno, I think they'd be busy working and not worried about gaming or at the very least have other ways to entertain themselves. I mean they can't Netflix or surf the net and I haven't heard anyone losing their minds over it.
You're telling me because games go digital only you'll quit the hobby? I sincerely doubt that. I know you're upset over it, but let's be mature here. If they made a next-gen amazing sequel to a series you like you know you'll play it even it's digital only.
And I'm sorry, but if the games like Fortnite and GTA Online thrive to the point where they exceed single player game sales. You're wrong about digital games and online only games.
Needing online for offline content is the issue. It’s simple and stupid and the longer it sticks around the dumber it gets.
If you can’t access offline content because their servers are down or your internet is down or any multitude of problems then thats just terrible design. They need to rethink their options. I could play left4dead offline. It wasn’t preferable but it was possible. It’s 2023 and we are devolving.
Even if it's a small amount of users. It's significant enough that gaming companies wouldn't fully commit even in these rumored edition of ps5 or ps6 they have external CD drive to make sure that everyone is included.
Just because certain games are successful doesn't mean all are you know many Service games fail and shut down I can name a lot. Anthem is one.
Service games live and die on connections. Server outages or hacking then gg no re your experience.
Submarines may have internet but I don't think they support high bandwidth due what you said even though they could use that to support their families.
Mature? Upset? Oh no I'm not upset at least I am just explaining that I won't support an industry that goes in an always online and I expressed that there are other hobbies that companies would love my support and money not just gaming.
I rather have offline because i believe we need options rather than segregation which always online
I travel a lot by air and ground transportations i played with my switch a lot too, I’m saving to get on of those new pc handles to play my pc games while traveling .. last thing i need is an online requirement to play a single player game, thank you very much but they can keep that game to themselves not bothering
Shouldn't be forced to pay extra for a service you already pay for. Something being the norm doesn't make it okay. So many horrible things were the norm.
It’s because these are probably ANTIFA people that want everything free and demand that you adopt their way a thinking. They’re just crazy really and can’t live in reality.
If it's like Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time on PC it will be cracked and no need for always online which that game is. Just download install, and smile 😄
I dont know anything about denuvo but I do know that before a service shuts down they usually let people know. And if it is a reputable service they even offer a way to carry over purchased content to another service. Or unlock it so there is no online required.
When Vudu decided to close up, they sent me an email that I could transfer my content to fandango... so I did. People worry about the what if that they never think about the enjoyment in the now. Play it now, get your fun out of it and only worry when it happens... not if it happens.
I have to disagree with this take. Surely, you can see some of the issues with what you mention. You say "usually" and "if a service is reputable" which, frankly, does not inspire confidence.
Some people are okay with the risk of games ending with nothing really to show for it. Fair enough, but I contend consumers should absolutely be thinking about that if*, especially with purchased content. In cases like Candy Crush or Diablo Immortal where people can (and often enough do) purchase content in-game, I think services like those ending would be devastating for people, particularly whales and people with addict characteristics. At least by keeping the if in mind, people can be cognizant of that fact and avoid being cavalier with their finances. "If" can be a protective factor. You can still have fun with it, but at least that concern inspires caution.
@Mkis... my bad. I was confusing things. It was ultraviolet had notified people to link their profiles with vudu. And then vudu was bought by fandango.
@darxyde, the point is there was a path to retain what you had if you moved it to another service. And if those services shut down, Im sure there will be another path to move them again. Now i am talking about movies/tv but we can assume the same for games. Stadia didnt give people the choice to move their stuff unless it was ubisoft games. Instead they offered to refund. Still better than just losing everything like many worry about.
Already services offered by Nintendo, Sony and MS have closed down but before they did... they gave people the opportunity to gather up what they could. So at least the big three will inform you of it happening and not just pull the rug from under you without warning.
The practice itself isn't a great one. If I paid $70 for a game I want to play it whenever, wherever regardless of internet. Redfall is one I'd play on game pass anyways though and to do so I already have to get online to get it. If for whatever reason I find myself without internet I got plenty of other games on my Xbox, PS5, Switch and Deck. Not supporting the practice but not getting game pass just for that game either. It's already there and costs me no extra to try it out than I'm already spending.
Agreed. The way I look at it: If getting on GamePass: - Doesn't matter, you're renting anyway. You don't "own" it. Services go away, games can leave GamePass too If not getting on GamePass: - If you want to play Single Player -- If Single player sucks, don't buy (I'm betting Single player will suck) - -If it's good buy physical then sell when you're done - If you want to play Multiplayer - -Always online doesn't matter because you need online anyway.
If it’s a good game, I could care less it’s always online. I feel like this topic is wildly overblown nowadays, and really we are all just pilling on it because it’s an Xbox game.
Personally I still just need to see if the game is actually good
It 100% is wildly overblown. We use so many things now that require an active online connectivity. For my job it's essential the use of server connectivity, Dropbox, Slack, emailing, etc. Also, my source of entertainment also requires online connectivity Hulu, Prime, YouTube, Netflix.
Also, when I game I'm always online. I can't think of a single time when I gamed and my network was down.
There's already a ton of titles I own digitally and for many years it has never been an issue. My entire Steam library is digital only and again, I've never gone on my computer without a network connection. Hell, me typing on here requires a network connection.
It's just people who have a difficult time with change. There'll be a generation that grew up without physical media who won't care at all about this.
That’s odd. I know even in PSN I had issues where my licenses weren’t recognised. Sometimes the license refresh option fixed those other times I had to wait an hour or even half a day for Sony to sort things on their side. Given downtime is rare it’s still disrupted my playtime which is limited due to work and family responsibilities. If I want to play my ps1 to ps3 games I merely insert a disc on the respective console and play. This can’t be done to Redfall with what information we have currently.
One of those articles is from 2017 for an entirely different GT game, and I would argue that neither of the 2 applicable titles you linked from over a year ago was as bold as “Makes a Hard Sell even Harder”.
In typical fashion my comments here are gonna be reported for saying it but N4G doesn’t realize how comically anti MS they are. That’s the only reason this article is getting traction
For some reason a small minoroty of people get freaked out by games that need an online connection. But don't seem to mind being always connected with Facebook, Instagram, Netflix, N4G etc etc etc.
What a stupid comparisons..I travel a lot, and i played with my switch a lot too, I’m saving to get on of those new pc handles so that I can play my single player pc games while traveling .. last thing i need is an online requirement to play a single player game..
You can download Netflix movies for offline use when internet isn’t available on trips and whatnot. It’s not freaking out it’s just pointing out terrible design. Facebook and n4g aren’t offline content that require online. It’s online content….
1. Too many games do it and more are doing it each year, IMHO.
2. It's not only a big deal with Redfall. It was a big deal with other games as well (Gotham Knights and GT7 off the top of my head). Elden Ring also does it but, for some reason, it gets a complete pass on it.
3. Game preservation for SP games is a big thing to me, and requiring connection to a server that could go away? Not good. And, no, they don't patch in updates for games to make them fully SP before they take them away either. They tend to just expect you to play the latest releases (oftentimes sequels).
4. Having said my opinion, surely it is also getting more attention because it's Xbox only, but the same thing happened with GT7. I don't know how to stop hypocrisy because people have definitely flipped on some of their complaints/reasonings.
Elden Ring only requires it for online play, which can be a massive part of the game to many, admittedly. You can however go from start to finish without any online connection, which is key.
We get it you love Sony…..cool……So do I, but I also know if redfall was on PlayStation people would be excited for it. Aflame doesn’t make bad games. Nice try though.
Wrong. I love gaming in general and I play primarily play on PC. I call out crap when it comes along. Even Sony has screwed up many times before. And if Redfall was on PS5 I would still flame it for the always online. Even GT7 pissed me off with that mess.
Just try it on Gamepass and see if you like it or not. But yea, the seemingly downgrade in visuals and the always online BS is making the game sound worse and worse. I remember when Co-Op shooters used to be good...
This trend of making all these live service online only games have become horribly stale. These companies are looking at mobile games and fortnite and are hoping to succeed like they have...when it'll much more likely backfire. The AAA games industry is in such a sad state.
But hey, we're getting tons of amazing singleplayer complete experiences this year boys and girls...please SUPPORT those games...
I've already seen some diehard Xbox guys on Twitter say that they're gonna pass on Redfall now
It's almost like some of these gaming studios want to sabotage their releases
Unfortunately PC gamers are getting used to this. Several PC single-player games are using the Denuvo protection (including Redfall), and that protection always phones home if you want to play the game.
No internet... can't play.
If Denuvo servers go down... can't play.
Basically, you pay full price for the game, but you don't really own the game.
The practice itself isn't a great one. If I paid $70 for a game I want to play it whenever, wherever regardless of internet. Redfall is one I'd play on game pass anyways though and to do so I already have to get online to get it. If for whatever reason I find myself without internet I got plenty of other games on my Xbox, PS5, Switch and Deck. Not supporting the practice but not getting game pass just for that game either. It's already there and costs me no extra to try it out than I'm already spending.
If it’s a good game, I could care less it’s always online. I feel like this topic is wildly overblown nowadays, and really we are all just pilling on it because it’s an Xbox game.
Personally I still just need to see if the game is actually good
Killed it for me. The only reason you need that is to have a store and regulate mtx content. Not interested.