Sony: We have not cut PS VR 2 production numbers

"PS VR2 shipment numbers remain the same, Sony says."

-Christopher Dring

[generic-user-name]

Not the first time this Bloomberg writer has been called out by Sony for spreading misinformation before a hardware launch.

[PureBlood]

I was just reading about that. They made claims before about PS5 production and Sony had to publicly set them straight!

Everything I've read, apart from on Bloomberg, says everyone is excited for the new VR. It's like Bloomberg is trying to spread FUD!

[generic-user-name]

And it worked, all the major mainstream media sites, IGN, kotaku etc, ran pieces promoting the doom and gloom of PSVR2. They'll probably update them with a small blurb stating Sony deny it but the damage will be done already.

[crazyCoconuts]

Kudos to n4g users for enforcing the policy to not approve articles from anonymous sources

[itsmebryan]

@Prueblood
I always wondered about VR demand, I tried it on PC and didn't care for it. My sister has Rift and loves it.

It should by 2020 they had only sold 5 million PS VR with over 100 million install base. That's less than 5% if the numbers are right.

I always had big hope for VR but, it doesn't seem to be catching on like I hoped.

[Bobertt]

Bloomberg is owned by Wall Street they put out wrong information all the time to lower or pump a stock price so Wall Street can make money off it.

[sparky77]

To be fair Sony and Bloomberg could be telling the truth. Bloomberg was referring to internal "projections" not what Sony had planned for "production".

I guess we will find out if Sony ever releases numbers.

[IRetrouk]

They were using lens orders, how would they know from that source what sonys internal projections were? They done this exact thing with the ps5, it's disingenuous clickbait.

[Eonjay]

No they said Sony had cut production from 2 to 1.5 million. Sony said it had not cut production. Please consider the source or was the Switch pro released 2 years ago like the reported sources said.

[BehindTheRows]

Yep, similar thing happened to PS5.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

The news was completely correct though. The story was that Sony cut PS5 production estimates from 15 to 11 million units during FY2020 in response to production shortages related to its chip. Sony's Q4 FY2020 report revealed that they shipped 7.8 million PS5's in FY2020 - a far cry from 15 million units.
https://www.theverge.com/20...

Do you really think that there weren't production issues and Sony only planned on selling 8 million PS5s in FY2020 when they sold almost 15 million PS4s in FY2019? Just because you or a multinational corporation doesn't like a story doesn't make it false.

[IRetrouk]

No it wasn't, he made up a story about ps5s numbers for its first two quarters, then said they were cut, exactly what hes doing now, he has been called out both times by sony, they Dont normally do that.

Oh and those numbers for the ps5 sales are only for q3 and q4 of fy 2020, not only was it a record year for sony, it was also a record launch for consoles in their first fiscal year....

This writer for bloomberg knows nothing.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

@IRetrouk

"he has been called out both times by sony, they Dont normally do that." They will do whatever they need to do when it comes to stock prices. This is a business, not a charity. The news that production was facing problems hurt their stock price so of course they said what would help them financially, yet for the last 3 years we have all seen how the pandemic and chip shortage has hurt the Playstation 5 production. Sony was perfectly happy with people reporting on them increasing PS5 production in 2020 due to higher demands due to Covid lockdowns.

[IRetrouk]

Your wishful thinking changes nothing, they broke records that year lol, nobody said production wasn't effected by shortages, we all know they were, but not when this writer stated, and not the number he stated either... I think you need to get over it and accept that the articles he wrote are fud.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

Sony sold 7.5 million PS4s in FY2013 and 7.8 million PS5s in FY2020. It is amusing that you think Sony came out of the PS4 generation with over 2/3 market share in the console market and wanted to produce the exact same number of consoles as they did when they left with PS3 generation with only 1/3 market share. Sony has had to cut production forecasts every year for the PS5 and 2020 was no different - unless you are one of those that think Covid affected everyone but your favorite console maker.

I'm sure when PSVR2 sells 1 million units this year and is sold out everywhere you'll be leading the charge saying how great it is.

[IRetrouk]

Getting desperate now, yet showing the ps5 still had a better start than any of sonys previous consoles🤣 every time sony has made an adjustment, they have let everyone know in their financial report, the year you keep pointing to wasn't one of em, try again cowboy🤣

The story is bs, no matter how much you wish it were true 😭🤣

And yes I'm there day 1 for vr, not sure what point you think you just made, but you sound bitter and resentful🤣💀

[After10Ben]

That's unfortunate that the preorders are half of what was projected, but the silver lining is that those that want one shouldn't have too much trouble getting one. My guess is it isn't due to lack of interest, but more likely due to the increase in cost of food, gas and pretty much everything else. A lot of people including myself have had to cut back on spending. I'm putting away a little money every month and will get one in the summer.

[IRetrouk]

Sony denied the report, it was bs, like the writers known for...

[After10Ben]

The way I understood it is that Sony denied cutting the production numbers. But the reason why it was speculated that they would cut production numbers in the first place was due to the fact that preorders are half of what was expected. Sony predicted selling 2 million units in the first year, and the preorders are not reflecting that prediction. Is that information incorrect?
Edit: I just read that the original prediction of 2 million units also came from bloomberg, not from Sony, so I am guessing that my information was wrong. That's great news.

[Neonridr]

@After10Ben - all I can say is that you can still preorder a PSVR2 from all Canadian retailers. PSVR sold out last time around before launch. Maybe there are more numbers this time, or maybe interest isn't as high due to other factors.

who knows.

[After10Ben]

@Neonridr
It's the same in US. It's still available to preorder, which is great, because I was worried it would be sold out by the time I saved enough to get one. I am glad that the report that Sony cut production numbers are false.

[IRetrouk]

Yes, the writer got his info from a lens supplier, not pre-order info, its complete assumption, sony used more than one supplier for the original head-set lenses, they are probably just doing the same again.

Sony said outright the report is false.

https://twitter.com/Chris_D...

Reference about writer.
https://ibb.co/f86RN27

[RauLeCreuset]

@After10Ben

"I just read that the original prediction of 2 million units also came from bloomberg, not from Sony, so I am guessing that my information was wrong. That's great news."

It's good that you caught that. This could just be Bloomberg engaging in shady reporting to reconcile their initial false report on the production numbers. It allows them to get out of acknowledging the initial error by pretending they were correct, but Sony changed the production numbers due to disappointing preorders. It's also possible they made the current story up for other (likely malicious) reasons.

Update: In the short time since originally posting this comment, I read an accusation that he did the same thing when he spread misinformation about PS5 production. The allegation is that he put out misinformation overestimating PS5 production and later reported the more infamous claim that they had cut production, as a way of correcting his original falsehood without acknowledging it.

Thanks @iRetrouk for the links.

[IRetrouk]

Not a problem👍

[dazzysima]

It’s also due to keeping it out of retailers hands imo.

[outsider1624]

"PS VR2 shipment numbers remain the same, Sony says."
If i were a spokesperson for Sony, I'd say.."where the heck do these guys get these false information from? PsVr2 shipment numbers remains the same."

[CptDville]

My country is getting DualSense Edge pre orders cancellation (bought from Sony official representatives) and Sony does not even know when the DualSense shall be delivered (even though they initially announced that we would receive on the same date of global release and only informed they had nothing to deliver on the launch date).
Not saying is 100% the same thing, but it truly shows how Sony can change their official position until the last minute with no clarifications at all.
To this day, Sony here does not answer any questions regarding this subject and has not yet inform if DualSense Edge will ever be released here.
I’m quite upset, cause I made the pre order and ain’t getting any explanations of what to expect.

[joaovictorop]

Yes, this happened to my country too. Worse, I had already pre-ordered the Dualsense Edge a month before and Sony only communicated the cancellation of the sale on the day of its launch, when I should have been receiving the product. And they didn't give a delivery date either. Very disrespectful from Sony to its consumers.

[italiangamer]

Second time Bloomberg wrote lies against Sony, they can spread all the misinformation they want but nothing can stop PlayStation.

[Sonic1881]

They don't like Sony lol

[shadowT]

maybe they needed some clicks

[Futureshark]

It's almost like Bloomberg have some interest in Sony not achieving...

[Christopher]

It's more likely they are utilizing an 'insider' that makes some stuff up.

[Elda]

I know this will be an unpopular opinion to folks here that love PSVR & want to see it do well but imo I still think the product is niche & will sell only to folks that bought & enjoyed the first PSVR with a few newcomers. I don't see PSVR2 selling in droves of millions & millions. We'll see how well it sells from its next month release up until after this Xmas holiday 2023, that'll tell somewhat of how well it's selling & popular it'll be.

[jznrpg]

I don’t think how well it sells in the first year matters as much as what games come out in the first few years. Hypothetically It could sell as well as the first PSVR until 2023 and then a really good game or 2 comes out and sells a lot more . If the great games keep coming sales will continue to rise . To me it will be the must have software that makes the difference . People will pay to play must have games .

[Elda]

We'll see. Again I think most that will buy PSVR2 will be the same customers/fans that bought the first one & enjoyed it. Some newcomers may adopt as well but PSVR2 flying off shelves in droves??...selling milIions upon millions?...I don't know about that. Again...in time we'll see.

[RauLeCreuset]

It's not so much that it's an unpopular opinion as it is a question of what the purpose is in sharing the opinion that this product that isn't mainstream isn't mainstream. There probably isn't much difference between your opinion and those of VR enthusiasts on the current VR market or the hurdles this particular tech has to overcome to achieve more mainstream appeal. The difference is that while those of us who enjoy VR are supporting the industry now and helping it grow in exchange for products we get enjoyment from today, detractors are constantly starting debates and making predictions about its future based on whether it is mainstream now. It gives the same energy as the person who feels the urge to "inform" a roomful of pro-wrestling fans that wrestling is fake.

[IRetrouk]

Couldn't have said it any better👏

[derek]

There is always this meta discussion about the long-term viability of vr by people who weirdly want to prove that it will fail.

[S2Killinit]

Unless people try it.

I have to dosagree w you. VR has made strides since back when PSVR was released, especially PSVR. All the hassle that made people not invest time in VR has resolved. The tracking issue was the biggest one imo for PSVR. Now people will play it at friends house and be blown away with it. Its night and day. To be able to jump in quickly is huge.

[Elda]

I'm just comparing notes, stating my opinion. The PS4 sold 117+ million units where the PSVR sold 5+ million units if you compare that..that's a small amount of PSVR adopters. In those 5+ million PSVR customers it's a possibility most could have enjoyed it or it may be a possibility some may have enjoyed it where some may have thought it was ok & then there may have been some that played it once or twice & never played it again,will the later customers by PSVR2? Then there's the price tag,buying the console,PSVR2 & games can cost over a grand. Something to think about. Again we'll see by January 2024 how well PSVR2 sells compared to PSVR sales.

[MaximusPrime_]

Seems Bloomberg's writer is butt-hurt by Sony's continuous dominant in gaming world.

[DiRtY]

maybe they should have...

[generic-user-name]

Good thing those earlier articles were reported, huh?

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

I was told that they were "reporting the news, because it doesn’t look favorable for their console of choice".

Are you telling me that isn't case and that the reports had actual legitimacy? Say it ain't so.

[autoglope]

Bloomberg is crap.

[Orchard]

I'll take this with a grain of salt. We're about 24 hours away from an earnings call, so they wouldn't confirm this today anyway. Lets see what kind of forecast they set out in the call.

That being said, the thing doesn't seem to be selling very well, so they'll likely have to adjust their projections or risk being wildly off come the end of Q3.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

So everything you wrote about PSVR2 wasn't accurate. It seems.

Quick to believe Bloomberg, but hesitant when it actually comes from the horse's mouth.

[Orchard]

Seems accurate to me - it's still sitting in stock 24/7 without any queues or restrictions.

It's clearly not selling like gangbusters.

If it's selling like crazy, they will announce that in the earnings tomorrow - but I bet they don't.

[IRetrouk]

Nothing accurate about it, both "storys" the writer wrote are false, the fact that sony actually came out both times and rubbished his claims should tell you more than a fake story, but suprise surprise, it don't.

[derek]

@Outside, there will continue to be weird energy around psvr2 from those who wish it to fail. I want it to succeed as it is the only platform that's providing something that feels genuinely new. Can't wait to play gt7.

[IRetrouk]

The original projected numbers were made up, just like the production reduction was, the only thing sony has ever said is they would have plenty available, you dont know what their projections are to state they are going to be wildly off them or that they need to change them🤣🤦‍♂️

They confirmed their numbers havent changed, no ifs ands or buts.🤷‍♂️

The writer was already caught once making things up, this is number two.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

What's funny is that Orchard can be very detailed oriented/meticulous when he wants to be... If this wasn't Sony, you can bet he'd be the first to point out that Sony never had any projections in the first place and would quickly point out the "author's" history.

[Eonjay]

The PSVR took 1 year to sell 800k. They have decided to ship 2 million units at launch. Just based on those figures it would be odd to expect the PSVR 2 to sell out all 2 million units before launch. You can't possibly know how it 'seems' to be selling or if the sales are within Sony's sales projections of which have not disclosed.

[shinoff2183]

You got some numbers orchy, please do share

[Chevalier]

@Orchard

Well what you think makes no difference. Sony has already corrected these false articles. No reason for Sony to lie. You just have issues with Playstation in general so stop moving goalpost. Absolutely 💯 idiotic.

[porkChop]

I mean, sure, we'll see what happens at the earnings call tomorrow. Someone will likely ask about PSVR2 production and preorder numbers. But I'd take Sony's word until their comment changes or if there's proof to the contrary.

[CBaoth]

you expect the successor of a device that sold 5 mil lifetime to sell 40%of that within 24 hours at launch? Gosh you're dumb and no wonder a N4G blogger instead of a programmer. Maybe Sony should have all their studios make VR indies since their incapable of making AAA sellers. Sales off PSVR2 units should skyrocket right? I mean that logic supposedly has worked for MS and this way, Sony can have their very own "Orchard"

[Christopher]

You fully supported the rumor, but you'll take it with a grain of salt that Sony denies the rumor?

I worry about the world we live in when confirming or denying rumors from official sources is less trusted than anonymously sourced rumors from people who have gotten it wrong in the past. It's like facts don't matter, only data that supports what we think.

[Orchard]

The timing being so close to earnings is suspect. I'm waiting to see what guidance they give tonight/tomorrow - or the lack thereof.

Until then I remain open minded on it.

[Chevalier]

Orchard

Ouch sucks you're so wrong. Playstation absolutely 💯 crushed their last quarter and their earnings are insane. New industry record of $8.79 Billion in revenue.

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Look at that apparently since systems were finally available they more than doubled their last quarter hardware sales. All it took was stock to finally be available.

Positioned themselves to even better forecast too.

"Sony intends to ship a further 6.2 million new-gen consoles in the current quarter alone in order to meet its targets. This means the PS5 could very well be closing on 40 million units shipped by the end of March."

[purple101]

I think this will sell Wel,. Just people aren't in a hurry to buy it.

No doubt on my mind it will sell more than psvr gen 1. This is a proper Vr product.

Not just dipping toes in the water, like gen 1 was.

[Profchaos]

Articles like the Bloomberg misinformation piece should receive blowback it's 2022 misinformation spreads easily and reputable sources should be held accountable and forced to fact check this writer as a result should be black listed as it's not the first time he's done this.

If someone sees an article saying expectations have been slashed on technology X it means consumers may reconsider their purchase altogether and that means less sales of hardware so studio's out there making software for it sell less and face shutting. VR in particular is different to traditional gaming the install base is already so small that these prices do hurt it same as misinformation pieces on occuls or vive

[Dfooster]

Gran turismo in VR I don't care what the experts think. That and a force feedback wheel and throw in resident evil village and no man's sky and I'm happy. Anything else is a bonus

[Rhythmattic]

And to think, people buy TV's just to play games...... And they cost way more.... But I guess, there also buying one to watch movies.. Say BR or Streaming.... Oh wait... PSVR2 does that also...
VR I experienced at the Sydney Powerhouse museum in the early 90's.. Theres no way VR is going away.... Its those that think it will go away are the ones thats opinions will disappear into the digital, Pancake, ether.

(Edit: Just to say.. So agree.. A few great VR games trounces the many good Pancake games)

[Knushwood Butt]

Yeah, NMS, always wanted to check that out, glad I waited.

[Good-Smurf]

Shame on Eurogamer posted the news the other day and have yet to update on the matter.
Guess the place are known not for just their cringy terrible puns anymore, don't let your users to do the digging for you some even pointed that out in the comments just embarrassing.

[FyBy]

But Anyway. If there was b/c , preorders would be much higher.

[plmkoh]

Never trust mass media. Always ask what's their angle when reporting on news.

[MADGameR]

SONY, give us a Silent Hill PSVR game and I'm sold on PSVR2.

[Petebloodyonion]

Sight... Sometimes I wonder why ppl pay so much attention to these kinds of news.
Is it important to know if Sony cut or didn't cut production if you can find the device in store?
Adjusting the number of produced units isn't a crime or a sign of a bad thing, it's basically what any self-respected company does to minimalize production cost and shelf space.

[S2Killinit]

The rumour mongers got what they wanted. They pulled the same thing with PS5.

[Gameseeker_Frampt]

How exactly is that supposed to work? You think less people will want PSVR2 if it is harder to get? Which part of the world do you live where that happened to the PS5? I personally have yet to see that happened. Sony has repeatedly cut production estimates for the PS5 and people are still lined up to get them.

[gleepot]

and instead they just have waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much due to low demand