The Callisto Protocol Has The Best Use Of PlayStation’s DualSense So Far

The Calliso Protocol's best feature isn’t even in the game, it’s the controller.

[Orchard]

"The Calliso Protocol's best feature isn’t even in the game, it’s the controller."

Err, no. We play games, not controllers.

While I disagree with their above statement, the haptics in CP are well implemented.

[Babadook7]

I play games with a controller.

And I think their point stands.

[Orchard]

Correct... you play games... because games are the fun part.

The controller is just the input mechanism. Otherwise, you'd just play with the controller and have nothing on screen.

Obviously the best part of a game, is the game.

[SullysCigar]

^ Orchard, that's such a lame statement. Of course it makes a difference. DualSense increases feedback, control and immersion, literally enhancing gaming. Otherwise why innovate with controllers at all? Let's all go back to the old 'one rubber stick and one red button' Atari days lol

Saying the controller is "just the input mechanism" is dumb. It's as dumb as claiming sitting on an upturned milk crate is the same as your sofa - it's just a seat right? Makes no difference?! Lol

[generic-user-name]

"The controller is just the input mechanism."

Some controllers are advanced enough to also give output to the player from the game and if that's done well enough, I could absolutely see it being someone's favourite part of a game.

[Orchard]

If the controller is the best part of the game, the game itself can't be that good.

Callisto is a good game on it's own.

[generic-user-name]

@Orchard

I haven't played it myself, waiting on a price drop, so I can't say; but I've seen plenty say it's not good, including this writer.

"If the controller is the best part of the game, the game itself can't be that good."

Tell it to Steel Battalion.

[CrimsonWing69]

I mean look, these gimmicky features “add” to the fun. I’ll admit it’s pretty novel and, for me, it’s preferred over not having the feature.

[GamingSinceForever]

😔

[Aloymetal]

"Err, no. We play games, not controllers."
That's the same thing I keep telling Phil

[SullysCigar]

Lol that was cold

[LucasRuinedChildhood]

Orchard, the opinion being put forward is no more controversial or hard to understand than someone saying that 3D is the best part of Avatar, and that they loved it.

If it massively adds to the movie like that, then it essentially becomes part of the movie.

"We watch movies, not 3D" would be a weird response in the case of Avatar. The effect it had on the experience can't really be downplayed. This situation is the same thing, except unlike 3D ... it's a technology currently exclusive to a particular platform. 😑

Game mechanics can even be delivered through the controller. For example, in Borderlands 3, each gun requires different tension to shoot (it's another variable that had to be assigned to the guns). In terms of feedback, you can feel far more differences and each gun feels more unique. It changed the experience and to an extent my behaviour playing the game.

Borderlands 2 with haptic triggers would be so good.

[LucasRuinedChildhood]

I'll also add that the Dualsense implementation helped compensate for issues I had with Borderlands 3 (e.g. some poor writing). It's just a lot more fun.

Now if you don't like it, that's fine but it does change the experience significantly, and that shouldn't be downplayed.

I hope we see a controller with Dualsense features on the Series X so these implementations get even better.

[Profchaos]

Exactly I mean Wii Sports works because it's a motion controller it would never have taken off if it was a standard controller

[Sonic1881]

The controller features actually made the game better imo. Hell I use the PS5 controller on PC as well.

[GoodGuy09]

Dont bother with an n4g comment section. This site is full of PS fanboys thinking the dualense and ps5 are the second coming of Jesus lol. Nintendo was already there first and sony goes and copies them as usual. It was cool in ragnarok as well but... honestly I wish sony went for ergonomics, durability, battery life, and back buttons instead. I can't hold a dualsense for more than an hour without feeling uncomfortable due to the feel and weight and a single game session or two without ever connected with a usb. I really hope sony or a 3rd party does a hall effect joystick controller some day as well.
A controller is something you shouldn't have to be bothered with while gaming and I'm afraid the dualsense does that for me. I prefer the ds4 but sadly ds4s have problems of their own...

[EvertonFC]

Nintendo doesn't have anything like duelsense pmsl.
You don't own a Nintendo or playstation do you?
Must be sad shitting on other systems just because you've had no games for 2 years on the Xbox.

[EvertonFC]

Don't you need a controller to play games and this adds to the immersion ?

[Profchaos]

With no controller we would all be playing the kinnect and I just don't want to live in that world

[CobraKai]

If that were true, no one woulda cared that the Sixaxis had no force feedback, but people wanted force feedback. A controller connects the player to the game. It helps with the immersion if what we press immediately lines up with an action on screen and if we feel the actions that result from said button press. Yes games are the fun part, but the controller contributes to the overall fun.

[Aussiesummer]

It truly is a gimmick though, none of the haptic feedback from duelsense has made me go "wow that's so amazing, I couldnt play without that!"
I feel that it will be far different story in vr though.

[EvertonFC]

Have you not bought any games yet ?

[Aussiesummer]

It's a nice gimmick but not transformation, doesn't make me think "this game would be worse off without this. I couldn't play this game without it".
As I said I think it's implementation on psvr2 will have far more impact.

[VariantAEC]

Oh yeah... try playing R&C and correctly not triggering the secondary fire without resistive feedback. Nearly impossible during combat. The triggers lock in two places the first prevents accidental fore the second unlocks the secondary fire mode and each weapon has different characteristics. That's one good example the next is GT7 where breaking is transformed and you can even tell when ABS is or isn't engaged using the gamepad. If for some reason you play with the accelerator and break swapped the triggers will function properly unlike in FH5 on PC when using an Xbox One gamepad.

[Aussiesummer]

How weak are your fingers? Lol.
I feel it but it doesn't stop me just annoys me, it does the opposite of wow me and makes me want to turn it off.

[VariantAEC]

If my fingers were weak I'd probably have to turn it off but... my fingers are too strong to go without resistance. There's next to zero resistance at all on the PS5 triggers without using the adaptive resistance. That's what gives me trouble not triggering secondary fire in R&C.

To trigger secondary fire, you fully depress the shoulder button for most weapons. I find it next to impossible to use primary fire for most weapons in the game, because most require a half (or less than half) trigger pull in order to use primary fire, but they're hard to find without that resistance.

[chicagOriginal]

Although I thoroughly enjoyed Callisto Protocol and the DualSense implementation (which is lacking in a lot of 3rd party games), I do think Demon's Souls/Astro's implementation was better.

[VariantAEC]

Haven't played Calisto Protocol but Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart and GT7 are up there with Astro's PlayRoom. For some reason I forgot about the resistive vibration that Astro's PlayRoom showcases until I thought about it when playing R&C:RA again. It didn't occur to me until I tried comparing GT7 and FH5 using their platform ecosystem's respective gamepads either. DualSense is more than a cut above the competition's gamepads.

[stevansavic89]

not really

[Einhander1971]

Loving this game !!

[Master-Tonberry]

Better than Astro's Playroom? I REALLY doubt that.

[KeyAppearance]

Does this use adaptive triggers? curious to see what games can do with it, but out of the stuff I have played on the PS5, maybe except the spiderman games, I haven't seen it used much.

Though still got Forbidden West sitting in the queue to play, so that might make use of it. Was hoping god of war to do something interesting with it, but I think they only use it during those scripted, cutting sequences, where you have to tap a button to cut.

[GhostScholar]

Sorry, but I'm yet to see a game showcase that controller like astrobot did. That game was absolutely amazing. People call it a tech demo, but it's the best pack in game not called super Mario.