The Killzone series has been dormant since Shadow Fall, but a live service style for its multiplayer might just be exactly what it needs to succeed.
It will fail as a live service. An attractive reboot is required. Sony needs a strong first party FPS.
They don't need a first party fps. Outside of Cod, they aren't as popular as they were last gen and definitely not as popular as they were in the PS3/360 era.
COD is not the be-all and end-all of FPS games. Sony will only have it for a couple of years as the deal is more or less set in stone. Sony needs to work on bringing back Resistance/Killzone/MAG. They're sitting on so many IPs and yet they much prefer to chase the cinematic crowd or be an overall nuisance when things are changing. What did they expect when they play the money game against a much more wealthier company to can outpsend you when neccessary. The "Trying to turn us into another Nintendo" should have been seen as compliment or as another way to thrive.
Pedantic91 Playing the money game do you mean the advertising rights to cod Those Same rights ms bought first back during the 360. Ms has had 20 years to get it together and they haven't. All I have to say is who's next ms couldn't handle it even worse since they had more money then nin and Sony. They closed and or ruined so many studios. What is their issue
Agreed. That’s all they need now. A new Killzone/Resistance game would be perfect.
I'd love both! Especially miss Resistance. So many memories
I would prefer a hawk game like a sequel/ reboot of Starhawk hell I’ll even take a remastered Warhawk or Starhawk with higher players numbers, 64 would be awesome
I think they could seriously improve the fps genre in ways they dont even know. Imagine those set peice moments that theyre making in 3rd person translated and designed for 1st person. I think they could compete at a certain extent with CoD. Ive wanted another killzone and resistance long before the activ bliizard deal came around. Not to compete with CoD but to give great single player fps campaigns...this is sorely lacking right now and I hope Sonys sees it eventually.
Can't do any worse than Halo as a live service so yes please, atleast try it.
Best careful what you wish for. Overwatch 2 is another bad live service game. Once a developer and publisher have burnt most of the goodwill of their playerbase an entire franchise can be destroyed.
Overwatch 2 despite the rough launch and bugs is hugely successful and crazy popular. Not to mention Killzone is already dead so if a live service fails it what? Goes back to doing what it is now, being dead. Thus Killzone has absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Hell no. Just remake KZ2 keep gameplay the same and it'll thrive, I'm sure of it.
No it won't because if they just released a real multiplayer game and not a live service in 2022/2023 people would be whining two weeks after launch that the game was abandoned and "sent out to die." People hate the terms "Live Service" and "Games as a Service," but in reality that's the only thing people want to play.
Not at all. I currently play no live service games. I did try fallout 76. It became annoying when they wanted money for more storage. I probably played about 15 hours or so.
@shinoff2183 I appreciate that individuals here and there don't, but if you look at how people react to multiplayer games now, it's clear that people want a live service, even if they don't want the publisher to call it that. Look at Battlefield V. Tha game had maps released here and there for about a year and half, which is actually pretty typical for a Battlefield game (only 4 got map packs later in it's life cycle). Yet the entire narrative around that game now is that the devs abandoned it. Or look at Red Dead Online. People talk about that game being "dead," and the community even had a funeral. Which you'd think would mean that the servers were down (that's what it used to mean), but it actually just meant the game was just being maintained in a status quo, not as a live service. Heck, people's complaints about Halo are even more evidence. People used to play Halo multiplayer to have fun. Now people can't see the point in playing the game if there aren't new skins to earn.
Exactly!! If you don't believe what's being said, I dare you to explore the most successful ongoing games. It seems like people just want everything to stay the same with no progression. I may not play, Destiny, Fortnite, FF14, League, Genshin or the like but I can see the opportunity they add to the industry.
Honestly, people dont even understand what live service is at this point. They just hate the term. What exactly would an FPS in 2022 that is NOT live service be? No new maps released consistently No new guns Maybe a map pack at some point that completely breaks the player base/matchmaking No constant balance / tuning updates Thats what a live service FPS is at the end of the day. Anything else like battle passes or microtransactions are the funding methods
@JEECE Halo Infinite MP was released as a live service game, though. it's starved off contents unlike other live service games thus the backlash is justified imo.
oh hell no!!!!, look at Halo it sure is thriving lol, Killzone only needs a good story, heck you could even leave the graphics visual style of Shadowfall cause up to this day still looks freaking amazing.
It was my favourite in the franchise to date because it was a departure from the drab and dreary original colour profile the city keeps were still some of the best you'll see on ps4 to this day
343i can't develop their own games in their own right and outsource when possible. I doubt Guerrilla Games would make the same mistakes but I don't see Killzone being a live service game adding much to anything other then Sony's bottom line.
Shadowfall was such a drop off from KZ 2/3. I wish they could remake KZ2; with the weight feel also.
I’d much rather it not be a live service game but the possibility is there .
Why does everything have to be a work in progress approach now? Just give us the campaign and the multi-player. Complete multi-player. With plenty of maps and a handful of game modes. Then come out with some map and weapon packs a couple times a year. That's all it needs. That's all the previous KZ games needed that people loved. That's all the Battlefield games needed up through BF4 that people loved. Why change the formula? Oh that's right. It's easier to release an unfinished and unpolished game, charge full price for it along with expensive dlc packs, then continue adding things and charging half the price of the game for them that should have been included at launch in the first place. It blows my mind that fans let this crap get this bad.
Time has changed, publishers are pushing GaaS games cous theyr is a ton of money to earn. And as long as gamers will buy those games and service packs and DLC and in game purchases they will keep making them and milk them like Kingdom comes.
Oh I know. Everything you said is true. I just can't believe it's gotten to this point. At no point have the majority of gamers stood up and said "no more". They just keep giving their money. I mean, if DLC is already being sold at launch, then what do these people think that means? It means that content was ready to go and should have been included in the game, not held off separately to sell. The new CoD is a perfect example. It's honestly the best CoD has been in a very long time, as a game. But there are like 10 DLC "operator packs" that give you a new character skin, and couple guns, and some weapon charms and calling cards. And they all cost anywhere from $10-$20 a piece. Not to mention the Battle Pass that let's you earn more items like that. This stuff is all already in the game but locked behind a pay wall. On a game that already costs full price lol. Battle Pass is $30. Half the price of the game. And this is just the FIRST Battle Pass. The amount of money to get all that stuff is hundreds of dollars. And this is just in the first month of the game launching lol. It's completely unbelievable.
New killzone single player campaign accompanied by a remaster of 2 and 3 would be great. Live service…not for me.
God I hope the Activision deal goes through so Sony has to stop resting on their laurels and actually start competing. They're so used to leading the industry that they don't really care to be better anymore.
Yeah, because buy Bungie was for nothing....so short sighted.
Yeah I think that's where the KZ franchise is heading, together with some others.
They bought Bungie to make a bunch of Fortnite clones hoping one of them will stick. They said Bungie has experience in this field and they want in on that market. They've said all of this...
Thats so wrong, the ones that where sitting on theyr laurels for manymany years and where not realy competing and now that Nadala is screaming: "Lets compete". And the answer from MS is by doing that by byuing complete Publishers, Thats not competing that doing what MS has been doing for decades, and is theyr DNA, when you cant win buy out the competition.
I'm not saying Microsoft is the good guy here lol. I'm saying I want Sony to care more. They're just as bad with all the anti consumer shit theyve been doing this gen along with all the exclusivity deals with everyone and making the games run better on playstation. It's just as bad as Microsoft buying publishers.
What does anticonsumer mean?
ugh... I'm really not looking forward to this GaaSy future.
Lol come on, nobody cares about feckin Killzone it's a seriously terrible IP where 4 of the 5 games were worse than horse shit. GG have made two excellent games since and should move on from this garbage. And if Sony wants an FPS they should create something new, not KZ or other mediocre tripe like Resistance. They have the devs to make something fresh and awesome plus they have Deviation
There is alot of people including myself who care very much for Killzone. You don't speak for us or for all.
A new fps is definitely welcomed but a revisit back to a new Resistance & a Killzone game would be nice as well.
Hey millions of people loved KZ 2&3. I don't think GG will be developing a KZ but perhaps Bungie?
I'd be surprised if Bungie are willing to take on someone elses IP. I think they would rather do their own thing
What everyone is failing to see is the potential in the Helgast Universe being built on top of a Destiny formula. Perhaps this is the reason why Bungie was such a pivitol addition to their stable of developers. We need to stop focusing on the idea of "live service" alone when there is validity in its implementation to cement sustainable profitability.
What made me enjoy Killzone 1 & 2 was the enemy. They invaded earth in the first. We fought back and took it to them. Hellghast has a Nazi mentality to them and it was alluring to fight a new but familiar foe.
Fascist is the word, and the Helghast invaded Vekta in the first game but it is an earth like planet
I won’t argue with someone who has a Helghast avatar. When I played the original, I must have been 10
That seems like the norm for all shooters this days unfortunately
Psvr2 could use killzone as a excellent showcase piece. We really don't need a live service looter shooter with a killzone wrapper we already have far to many of these types of games.
Yes, FPS, driving games etc, belong on VR. Firewall was/is very good, and the new one is the only FPS I'm interested in.
A new socom would be fantastic, even its own battle royale is welcomed.
A new Socom wouldn't be good like the old ones, it would be designed around Operators and selling Microtransactions like Rainbow Six Siege.
Nope. Just make an excellent brand new PS5 Killzone game with Bungie at the development helm.
As long as they take the Killzone2 formula. Adding actual weight to the characters and guns, the fluid evolving game modes, and the griddy industrial Helghast maps.
I been saying this for a minute.
People crack me up talking about Sony bringing back all of these old franchises that no one was really buying and playing when they were around. I mean seriously if these franchises were such huge blockbusters why did Sony allow them to go dormant? Play games and stop trying to be the CEO or President.
Resistance and Killzone all sold millions of copies with each installment. But they couldn’t compete with the tens of millions of PlayStation players that bought call of duty because it said call of duty on the box. Both Resistance 3 (2011) and KZ3 (2011) sold less than their predecessors. KZSF (2013) also didn’t have the spirit of the first 3 games either but retained the attention to detail the series had.
I agree with what you are saying. It is not that these games were bad and yes they moved some units, but to act like they can just replace COD with them is wishful thinking. They WILL need to respond in some way but maybe it’ll be some new IP that’s a FPS.
If you mean like destiny...hell no. Killzone needs a masterful reboot. Preferably by devs who love the franchise. Then use an open forum with players who equally know and love killzone to shoot ideas around.
Or you know...maybe, im just shooting the shit here, a good game?? I know thats an outrageous proposition but crazier things have happened.
I just want a Killzone VR!
It will die in a month if they go the live-service route.
Live service and micro transactions are the future
At this point, is there anything that can beat or do on par as CoD? We’ve seen many FPS tried over the past 15 years and not a single one have succeeded in dethroning CoD. I am not a big fan of CoD, to me CoD is just another madden with guns. Same thing with a different paint.
Let Bungie take over Killzone and maybe live service would work, otherwise, just no. I can hear that Killzone kill chirp now, good times.
Killzone built around KZ 2 MP has so much potential. Character classes skill based can be expanded with inner team bonus co-op. Hostage/civilian rescue. Propaganda drop/push & destroy (creating boosts) Area clearance & defence fort creation. Ship crash rescue/plunder Drop ships & tank AI on battlefield
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