Sixaxis tilt control 'rubbish' says Sega man

There have been loads of grumbles and gripes about Sixaxis - the motion-sensing thing is a bit gimmicky, Wii does it better and that the rumble is hugely missed.

But it's not just gamers that think this - one of Sega's top development men has broken rank to offer his thoughts.

"Tilt control's not difficult to do," says Guy Wilday, head of Sega Racing Studio, on the possibility of tilty-pad gameplay being included in their new version of Sega Rally for PS3. "Fundamentally, though, the whole tilt control thing is rubbish. It's no compensation for rumble."

[Booneral]

Why are the news posted on this site are generally "FLAME ON!" ready? It's just matter of time before people start arguing about this.

My opinion? Tilt function is a nice bonus, I'd like to have it in a FPS, being used as "Lean left and right" (don't know if Resistance already does that). I'd still like to have rumble too though. Oh well maybe in the future.

[MikeMichaels]

...they work in every field. Usually the guys in charge are the biggest dumb asses of them all.

Feature Film has been showing us for many years that you don't need a "silly vibration effect" (that hardly ever lines up properly to the action on screen) to pull you into the action.

What rumble could possibly offer over a third analog stick (cause thats basically what the tilt sensor is) is beyond me, because i have yet to see anyone do anything interesting with rumble (Especially Sega) other than the Konami with the MGS series.

[Captain Tuttle]

Just use your "ignore" button. There's probably only 10 people or so here who are trolls. Block them out.

[Syko]

Either your system is dedicated to it (Wii), Or it was an after thought due to the lack of rumble (PS3). It will be interesting to see how far it goes on the PS3 in the future titles 2-3 years from now though or if it will fade out, Which I highly doubt. They really will need that one game that simply couldn't be done without it, Then people will be like wow i need that

[TheMART]

The real problem is:

this has been done before for PC in the MS Sidewinder, people thought it was funny for 5 minutes. Swinging the controller down the room while you're in an intense gaming experience isn't cool. It's getting the intenting away from the game. Unless it's a 'fun gaming device' like the Wii is.

But there it's build around the controller, the motion sensing, which goes waaaaaay further then the motion sensing that has to be replacing rumble in a non changed PS2 controller.

So either way, with or without games that are optimal for it, it will fail this way. Even playing fun games with a Nintendo is only fun for a certain amount of time, or the owner is under 12 years old. Everyone else wants grown up stuff

[eclipsegryph]

You certainly don't have to answer my question, but I must know - how old are you?

[fury]

And I won't forgive them no matter what excuse they give. Not having rumble really sucks, especially when you play games like MotorStorm, which would indeed _need_ the rumble feature, because it gives a more intense gaming experience.
Shame on you Sony. Shame on you...

[techie]

I think you have patents to blame for that. They were sued and didn't want to pay up - bad choice - they should have paid up. But I do think motion sensing is a good thing. I watched 1up about Motorstorm and one the guys said he would only play it with motion-tilt, and that the experience is much improved over analogue sticks.

[eclipsegryph]

Seeing as how Motorstorm is being pretty well praised and accepted by the gaming community, I hardly see where there is a "need" for rumble. Your logic fails.

[makingdamage]

There´s hardly any game using the functiopn yet, so how can that sega dude think it´s rubbish then? Because it´s no good use in a cargame?

[Xtrm L1481L1TY]

I'm sure you recall that disappointment. Trust me, I owned one back in 1999 and I just turned the motion sensing OFF (like every other PC gamer that owned one). Sony uses the exact same technology and it's NOTHING special at all. Yes, it's gimmicky!

[Marty8370]

Your Saying That Motion Tech has'nt improved in 8 years.....I say it has improved alot.

[Xtrm L1481L1TY]

The Freestyle Pro has the exact motion capabilities and the same direction as the six-axis. Freestyle Pro even came with software to calibrate the sensitivity to your liking. Nintendo's Wii-mote is is the next evolutionary step to motion sensing as it's gyroscopic sensors detect real-world elevation as well (Unlike the Six-axis or Freestyle Pro).

[MoonDust]

It's the same thing, i wonder where SNE got the idea from? It failed back then and it fails now.

[cuco33]

i'll agree with majority of the news being 'flame on' in here. even if it's not the d*ckriders come on and start preaching mecca.
syko360 said it best, if u are going to include it, use it. don't make it seem like an addon. i'm sure there will be games that will solely utilize the motion sensing but i'm not sure the 2-3 will be worth it at all. we'll see with time if sony slapped it in there as a worthy feature or last minute substitute for rumble. personally without rumble the ps3 controller is a big disappointment. i know not everyone thinks it matters (usually the sony fans that tries to justify not having it) but i like to know when i'm driving off the track, being hit, being shot, get a sense of how hard a check was by severity of rumble, etc.. it's the only interface that the user has with the game

[kingboy]

Sonic was a mess

[kewlkat007]

Another Poor excuse for getting rid of "RUMBLE". This is the ultimate gimmick. I'll take rumble over this any day.
This feature does not have full support of developers. It's almost like, "eh we'll add it to the mechanics of the game as a bonus".
Just rubbish I tell ya. I like the PS controller for fighting/platform games, as it does not work well with 1st/3rd person shooters, while others may disagree.

[Gamer13]

IM OUT:::

[power of Green]

It just sounds great saying it. rubbish!!!!!.

[sixaxis]

its just too early to say it. i think we will see fabulous things about this controller.

[mucho 99]

I think that if used correctly, motion sensing is better than rumble. rumble was good, but it was hardly ever necessary, or for that matter, even noticable. I'll be ok with them replacing it with sensing, but only if it's use creatively. As it stands right now, I haven't seen but a couple of games use it in any creative way. We'll have to wait and see how well, or not, it is implemented in future games.

[Madmax1281980]

Whats That Saying "You Wont Miss It Till Its Gone"

[MoonDust]

Well, that and thinking walkman would stand a chance against the ipod.

[timmyp53]

Im just waiting for some game developers to focus on its tilt sensing capabilities more. What I've seen so far had been good though. I expect people like Kojima to use it creatively.

stop flamin'

[xbox360migs]

I waited years to have rumble in a joypad, I'd be peeved If I lost it. It is a huge bonus to games and your intergration with a game no matter what anyone says, that's why wii does both!

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I certainly don't think it should replace rumble, and really I think the next go round of consoles will probably include both rumble and motion sensing for a good all around controller.

Right now Sony is pushing motion sensing on all due to the lack of rumble and the success of the Wii. They are trying too hard with motion sensing and just need to relax about it and say...its there for you to develop into the game if you want it.

I mean, honestly motion sensing is ideal for certain games... but it is not for every game and that I think was a reason why MS's sidewinder was not popular back in the day. Having it as an "option" to develop for is the best way to utilize motion sensing. Just like rumble should be. Dont just throw it in to throw it in, but use it when it makes sense. The console that has a controller with both but doesn't try and "push" either of the options on to developers will be very successful in terms of prefered controllers in my opinion.

[EasilyTheBest]

its just too early to say it.
We'll have to wait and see how well, or not, it is implemented in future
It will be interesting to see how far it goes on the PS3 in the future titles 2-3 years from now.
YEP more waiting!!!

[kewlkat007]

"rumble was good, but it was hardly ever necessary, or for that matter, even noticable."

Ofcourse the game you played, also had something to do with it. Rumble did a lot of things, like feeling explosives when they go off, hinting when there is a secret nearby...etc

All I know is that the N64 had huge rumble packs which made you feel part of the game whenever things took place. Especially ZELDA games when reeling in a fish and when your near secret dig spots.

[ApocalypseShadow]

IF THE GAME IS ALREADY GREAT.

rumble doesn't make a game good if the game sucks.it doesn't negate the fun games that have come out in the last 20 years THAT DIDN'T HAVE RUMBLE.some of you dummies probally think street fighter 2 sucks because it doesn't have rumble.or contra.or metroid.get your head out of your butts.

motion and rumble add to gameplay,but don't create FUNFACTOR.

as for the pc controller.it sucked because nothing was used for it properly.nintendo took motion and made it work and fun to use.sony has games coming out that will make motion the only way to go for flying and some racing games.it WILL happen.

same with the pc camera.nothing used for it.but sony took the camera and made eyetoy.it sold well over 2 million.no controls but your body and your hands.and it will be expanded soon with eyetoy2.

wait and see when the camera will be used with the motion controller.it WILL happen.

[zonetrooper5]

I would rather have rumber and a motion sensor in the same controller like Nintendo have done with the Wii-Mote, The PS3 Six-Axis sounds gimmicky and its probaly cr@p. I might have to wait and see, until i play a game on the PS3 with the controller then i don't belive it has that sort of appeal. Anyways, Immersion have made a "Next-Gen" Rumble. I might have to find the link but i have seen it before.

[calderra]

Rumble is kinda nice.
Motion sensing is kinda nice.
But it's the issues behind the scenes that make this topic what it is.

-Sony continues to lie and say they CHOSE not to include Rumble, when it's really about the lawsuit with Immersion. And the longer this goes on, the more people buy into the idea that they intended to do motion all along. Also note: "The Boomerang design is final. We will not be changing it" <-Kutaragi, Harrison, and Hirai

-Motion sensing is being treated as some kind of incredible new invention. As said, Microsoft's had motion-sensing joypads on the market for a decade, and Pelican produced a motion (and rumble) capable pad for PS1/PS2 quite a while ago. Cheap motion-sensing games have been available in Wal-Mart's toy section for years now. It's just not a new idea. And it's never been a particularly successful idea, because nobody has ever cared.

-And yes, the only originality lies with Nintendo, and then only because the device also has pointer functionality. This idea leads the pack because it combines motions we're all used to (a TV remote) with intuitive interface (point it at the TV). SIXAXIS' idea fails, as other motion controllers have, because humans just don't control things that way. It's a great idea for dodging or melee perhaps (just jerk the controller) but it's just not a natural motion for control. If you want to tilt forward and back to move, why not just use a pilot-style joystick? It's more precise, and much more natural.

[highps3]

Lie? They arent including rumble get over it... They have said it so many times its becoming annoying people still think its coming. They dont want it nor need it... They never lied because its always been gone...

I wouldnt pay immersion for it either. Its a horrible technology.

[MikeGdaGod]

but they gotta bring back the rumble. if there was one thing i would change about the system it would be to bring back the rumble. it doesn't make that much difference for most games, but when it's missed it's greatly missed. i could just imagine what Motorstorm or Resistance would be like if they had rumble. its not that big of a deal that i think about it all the time, but it is missed.

with all that being said, i believe it will be back before the end of the year

[ApocalypseShadow]

which is always a possibility,the HATERS would just find something else to nag about.they're not buying the system or care about if it really has it.it's just the" haha" factor they get out of it.

sony could add every feature to the system.cook your breakfast,and the haters would always find something."it's too black!"" how come it doesn't come in blue?"just have fun with what you got.people aren't playing wii and saying "man if only these graphics were better."they're just having fun with what they got.

360 has POOR BC and no motion,but gamers live with it.wii won't get some games that will come out on ps3 and 360.but wii gamers live with it.DEAL WITH IT.

[ammojoe]

Harsh words from the people who recently brought us Sonic the hedghog. Now that was rubbish! I am glad I only rented it.

I am also glad I am not so attached to rumble like some of you guys. Any time I had rumble available to me I always shut it off. Just MHO.

[Lex Luthor]

that was from a different division of sega.
everyone knew the sixaxis would be trash when it was announced.

[Rooted_Dust]

I don't miss an indistinct shake that could mean anything in-game. I got hit by a car, I shot a gun, I got shot, I got blown-up....The only game that did anything Interesting with it was Metal Gear, but nothing really game altering. If they could better imitate gun recoil or direction, that would be something else.

[ChickeyCantor]

rumble isnt only usefull for stuff like: getting hit, car crash or whatever that is equal to that.
it can also be usefull in games for puzzeles or tactical games, the controller rumbles when its trying to hint out something or will warn you when something will happen.
so if sony didnt had financial problems( and they really have them) they would have payed for the freaking rumble!
and then you would be having sixsshock or something like that XD

[joemutt]

I tried playing Motorstorm with tilt, just plain sucked, I did a couple of laps, and went back to the analog sticks, then a couple more laps without rumble, and turned off the game.

How are they going to do multiplayer baseball games?

Your oponent will know where you are pitching, and you cant feel the strike zone.

I will take rumble over a feature that is useless anyday.

[FirstknighT]

The 6axix controller is a complete failure. No game fully utilizes it. Just a shake here and a shake there. Wow so the controller acts like my penis when i'm done pissing. People that say rumble is not needed is fooling themselves. Motorstorm screams rumble. What about Resident Evil when danger is near, you feel your heartbeat. Killzone 2 with no rumble??? Ouch! Stop pretending you don't agree. Rumble adds to the realism.

[ApocalypseShadow]

every game for the last 20 YEARS WITHOUT RUMBLE WASN'T REAL ENOUGH FOR YOU?HOW ABOUT FUN? NO RUMBLE DOESN'T KILL GREAT GAMEPLAY.

some games could use it.but do i need it in tekken.NO.do i need it in a puzzle game?NO.do i need it in an action game?no.was ninja gaiden on xbox far more fun because it had rumble for charging your sword.NO.feeling a heartbeat in my controller is nice,but it aint all that.explosions,terrain difference in racing,heavy enemies walking,hitting a wall in a race.that's it.

name a game that was SO FILLED WITH RUMBLE THAT TURNING IT OFF MADE THE GAME UNPLAYABLE.YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO TURN THE GAME OFF.ZERO,ZERO ZERO GAMES.

YOU'RE JUST NITPICKERS WHO DON'T HAVE THE SYSTEM.

[FirstknighT]

Well of course rumble is not needed for the fun factor. But it just adds a lil more to the game than what the 6axis can do. Just makes me feel a lil more tense when I play certain horror games...feels a lil more crazy when your shooting like a madman on a turret gun...feels a lil more exciting when you feel the crash from a racer. It just adds a lil more to the realism.

I'm sure most people would agree that they would prefer rumble over 6axis anyday.

[no_more_heroes]

the controller feels dead. What amkes it worse is that the ps3 controller is so light already. I just feel disconnected from the game when there is no rumble.

[AppleSlime]

I think the SixAxis would serve better as a way of freeing face buttons. Tilting the controller to access certain menus, to cycle through your inventory, crap like that. Essentially, it could become a means of adding more functionality to a game, rather than being used simply to manipulate movements. All that said, I still enjoy the way it was used in R:FOM.

All it takes is a developer willing to devout the proper attention to it. That could be quite a way off right now, though.

[tomfoolery]

It's plain and simple.
They will probably end up reverting back at some point...
Oh how stupid they would look!!!