"Microsoft's vision of your computing future is on display in its just-published patent application for the Metered Pay-As-You-Go Computing Experience."
Microsoft: The future is just a nickel and dime away!
lol good one
And its sad that the average joe will think its a good deal. This is just ridiculous. Next thing you know, they'll be charging to play online with your Xbox.
1.2 - haha good one, but they wouldnt do that would they???? :(
Read the patent people. The charge will be no different then what internet cafes do now. It includes the use of the computer, software, connection... everything you need to get on line. It is basically just a stand alone system that can be quickly mass produced and setup through out the world. Allowing Microsoft Internet Cafes with an easy drop in hardware source. What's so new...? The direct nature of the software/hardware use for fee transfer.
Another reason why not having a monopoly in the gaming industry is a good thing. Let us be glad there are three big guys in this market not just one. It was great that PSN and Nintindo is nearly free without monthly fees. I just hope Sony doesn't do more of the 50 cent - $2 dollar virtual clothing stuff like they're doing in @Home.
lulz @ #1 so true. they would charge for MSN chat if they could. but the competition is giving chat free. i mean, who charges for stuff your competition gives free? oh... wait... :)
Do they want to kill there Company? As soon as they start doing things like this, there competitors will offer the same services, or similar for free. Bad Mistake, how dare they change for things like gaming when you already own the PC, the game and the OS.
Most folk cannot afford this. Free downloadable word processors would spawn soon after MS started charging hourly fees to use MS word or any of their programs. Peeps would save a little extra to buy a MAC computer if MS charged hourly to use their computers. I would drop my smartphone in a heartbeat if my carrier started to charge me an hourly fee to browse the internet or watch youtube on it. There are alternatives. Thats whats nice about capitalism. MS is doing okay with Xbox Live for now for it doesn't cost so much. Will the market accept it if MS increases the price of Live by much? I don't know and hope they leave Live alone. PS3 is catching up with MS, and before long, Sony may be leading the next gen market within due time, if they haven't already, assuming there are more replacement 360's out there than there are first consoles. Yes, there are only two next gen consoles. The Wii is last gen with motion control, before anyone from the Wii camp tries to intervene. Anyways, I will be paying more attention to MS and see what comes of this mess.
Looks like a bunch of haters crying, you know the folks that aviod MSFT products in the first place due to being abnormally fanatical
I've never responded to you or any of the others around here like you, holding tight to the same corporation-worshiping mindset as if your brains came straight off a production line, but what the hell, I've had a pretty good night. For you to talk about abnormal fanaticism is an irony almost too delicious to enjoy. You're like the Sean Hannity of N4G. A living caricature of a punchline. The embodiment of all that is obnoxious, uneducated, hypocritical and delusional. For some of those like you, it's a facade meant to rile up those on the other side, but I know you really believe all of the drivel that leaves your fingertips. You've really gotta try hard to avoid critical thinking for a degree of blind dedication like that. Bravo.
When I read this short article I almost checked the calender to see that it wasnt April 1st. But then I realised.. Is this so different to metered internet computers they have in cafes/aiports etc..... As long as there is a demand for it then it might work. $1.25 per hour is nothing
That's just as bad as trying to charge pc users for the "Games For Windows/Live" platform while everybody laughed and pointed for a couple minutes and then went back to gaming on Steam.
Sorry, I couldn't hear this article over the CHA-CHING of Google's cash register.
Me.. You don't like what they are doing? Then don't use it.. Simple as that.
If 20 million xbox owners and 25 Million 360 owners didnt reward Microsoft for nickel-and-diming them Microsoft would not be encouraged to pursue this new scheme of theirs. Fortunately, there are companies, like the one I work for, which are providing consumers with a better alternative.
M$ has just got greedier
So basically, all new computers will have an arcade-styled coin slot for extra hour-credits? This is getting more and more ridiculous.
who s replaying in this post to see that your all brown noise sony a.s lickers enjoy
A one time fee just isn't enough for them,there something wrong when everyday miscilaneus thinks we use turn into regular payments in order to use them.
no joke dude, the Alternative Source proves it
Sorry, but the last thing I want is to have to subscribe to every goddamn thing on the planet. What's next, Subscription Based Toilets?
they will cut off your legs and you have to pay a quid/dollar/euro per step :P
Yeah it seems like were getting ripped for freaking everything. I don't care what console you support, or walk of life your from, things are getting ridiculous.
It seems like we get ripped on everything because we do get ripped on everything, at least in the US. Capitalism FTW, gives us independently owned health insurance companies instead of government run universal health care. *EDIT* Jeez I'm reading it and I sound like an ass. Didn't mean to add a political comment like ^^that^^, just in a certain mentality after commenting on 9mmpreacher about his site...
No worries as long as your preaching the truth.
There where stores that had pay toilets. You'd pay 10 cent to enter or the locks wouldn't allow you in. There where times kids would run to the service desk for a token and couldn't make it in time. Instead of them earning 10 cent they had to clean up the mess. I hated those stores with public pay restrooms when I was a kid.
i buy an RPG or an MMO for 50-60 bucks, and then i have to pay 1.25 each hour of play, that is just ridiculous. oh and on top of that don't forget that sweet cap on internet that some providers dish out.
they'll probs give the software free.. but you have to pay per hour..
Well that wouldn't be a bad idea, but for mmo's, RPG's and online mutiplayer things could get expenisive.
AOL MMORPG's and The Sierra Network where like that a long time ago. Then came the internet unlimited dailup. There where packages for unlimited access that cost $200+ a month. Mostly the packages included 30 hours with each additional hour being $1 per mouth with that option to lock users out after they ran out. Rediculess, especially when we already pay for unlimited connected internet. (aside from the download caps some companies impose)
F*** you, MS.
F'ing MS. Their greed never ceases to amaze me.
So they want to charge you to use Office software? I smell more people getting OpenOffice.
when microsoft does this, it is really bad for everything "they stand for" users will move on from any of their software/hardware..
I don't think the charge would be in addition to the cost of the product. It is more of instead of buying the product you can rent it for so many hours.
I'd actually probably save money... with the amount of time I spend actually playing online.
if this is true i will protest m$ greedy ass, i already have to pay for internet and other expensives, so now they want me to pay to play games i had to pay 50 bucks for, what the hell makes u think that u can go around and make us pay more money for something that should be free
Always trying to get you to pay for something.
It's just a fully realized version of XBOX Live. Of course you'll have defenders of this service saying crap like, "You get what you pay for..." and other such nonsense. To them, I offer more lube and knee pads. Have fun with that!
WOW M$ is f***in greedy
Isn't this the same as an Internet Cafe? Are those free by the way? All you have to do is take a look at your Cell phone bill(that's just 1 bill) to see how much of a nickel and dime world, we live in.
there are alternatives for an internet cafe.. microsoft wants to do this in your house..
An internet cafe is there for those who don't have access to home computing. They charge you for the use of their PCs. A little different to what MS is trying to do here.
Then Yes, that would be Evil... So your basically leasing software...just as you lease Cable modems/DVRs and other things thats included in the bill. I would hope one would rethink that and buy the software instead. since you'll save in the long run.
"Isn't this the same as an Internet Cafe? Are those free by the way?" some yes u just must order something while being there
Invents?! Seriously consider the choice of word there, I think he wanted to say " MS rippes young kids off by taking an 1.25$/hour fee for online gaming" Which should be free!
they can charge whatever they want because dumb asses are willing to pay for it. just asked the millions of WOW players, oh oh oh you ain't one of them.. WOW is different, and it's worth paying the fees... how so?? I never buy a subscription based game and never will.
Yeah WoW is another example of this. I think it's ridiculous, but I guess if people are willing to pay then so be it.
Ms keep screwing the common man first of all paying 4 online play is ridiculous y must i pay to play with other pple who have the same game, now they want to start it on a pay as u go basis thats crap, i just hope sony does'nt copy dis crap and everyone wonders y Bill Gates is so f***ing rich, f***ing greedy bastards
...Are they serious?
They are Microsoft. Sirius is a satellite radio station.
Not a *TERRIBLE* idea if managed properly and you also had the choice to flat our purchase said software. I would enjoy a per per minute option for certain games. There are games I've paid $50-60 for and didn't play for longer than an hour overall. Be nice if that was only around $1.25 instead of a full $60. Even if I got 8-9 hours out of the game, that's what, $13? There are other places this setup would have proven handy. Certain pieces of software like Avi joiners.. DVD rippers.. And other things I just don't use that often to allow for a full purchase. But at a rate per hour of use? I would pay for that in those situations. Now, sure, for say Firefox or Photoshop or other programs I use often, I'll just buy it flat out (if it's not free in FF's case). As an option, it would be a good idea. As the only choice, not too great.
So many good ideas... THANK YOU MICROSOFT!
I know.. I know... lots of people here are quick to burn microsoft on a stick... but that's completely normal in this site... But this "Pay as you go service..." may not be a bad idea for many people. Think about games like COD4, CODWW and many other games which game play extends only to 4-6 hours... would it be that bad to pay $1.25 x 6 to play the game? That means someone who can't afford to pay $60 can play and complete the game for less than $10. it works like a rental service... we see this in hotels and believe it or not... that's exactly what you are doing when you rent a game. I do not expect people here to understand... Now, if Microsoft remote retails version of games and apps where people can only pay as you go... then I say, "burn them!".. but if this is an option for people that can't pay the full price or will not be using the game/app enough to actually get their return of investment.... For example, I am not a graphic designer... but as a web developer from time to time I see myself doing some graphic touch up... I would love to be able to pay $1.25 per hour to use Adobe CS3 instead of having to buy it for thousands of dollars... I have a ton of games.. that I would rather pay $1.25 until I beat them and never pay them again... than to pay $60 a piece. does that make sense to you guys? @EDIT!: ohh wow NipGrip practically thought about the same as me. Kudos.. and it's nice to see some people actually have brains around here.
You and nipgrip can get your asses reamed by MS for all i care. It's your God-given right i suppose. Let me ask you a question and you tell me how you and numbnutz thought this scenario up. How is it that a person who buys and owns a PC won't have $10 or $60 to play with? Honestly...unless their 16 or under. Here's another red herring. Assuming they can't pay $60 to buy a game, do you think they'd have a "powerful" enough PC to even rent and run the godamn gaming product? Let me tell you who MS is targetting with this scheme. Kids and really retarded adults who can't do math and will fall for the $1.25 price pony. At $1.25/hr, if I played for 6 and pay $7.50 hours... Why don't i just go to blockbuster where I can rent it for a whole week and not pay late charges if I forget? If you need productivity software.... go to the library, college, or school. It's free!~ Download opensource... it's free! If you want to alacarte titles, go to an internet cafe and for $5, they throw you 30+ games to mess around with AND include a gaming system.
I have a library of games from many different systems and like to revisit them. How will this pricing model work for games in the future? Will people be able to revisit a game years after purchase? I look at my bookcase, at anytime I can pull one out and enjoy. I don't think DD and pricing per the hour will be a hit for most people who like to have a physical games collection. There's no substituting that.
seriously.. this is not a renting service.. a rent service is something like blockbuster, you pay, keep it for 7 days.. send/bring it back.. what MS is trying to do.. is make you pay for every hour of what you play.. now.. i agree with you that if to try out a game it is very good to have such a system.. however.. what if it is something like CoD4?.. you'd be paying first a few hours (say 3 hours) to try it out that is $3.75.. then you can keep going with the subscription, and pay (in my case, where i have played CoD4 for over 8days, but this is only for 8 days) $240.. yet i have paid only £50 (note im from uk lol).. which would you have.. pay $240? or pay £50.. which is at most $70.. yes.. such a system as a 'option' would be fine.. but to replace the current system? never ever in my whole life.. if they do.. i can see many people jumping on to Linux/Mac.. and i can see MS going bankrupt if they do this..
Great name btw. Your argument is filled with personal judgments and contradictions at points. You can't claim people that can afford high end computers (like myself) have the money to toss around if they wanted (I do, but spend my money wisely) and *then* say people that would spend $1.25 for the convenience of staying home instead of driving to a library to use an AviJoiner for the 5 minutes I would need it on occasion are ignorant and throwing their money away. I don't want to drive to a friggin' library with all my crap to use an AviJoiner for 5 minutes, 3 times a month. I would rather stay home, thanks. I can afford to pay $1.25 for a years worth of my AviJoiner use. Or whatnot. You seem to imply MS is taking advantage of ignorant folks for charging for services based on time. What do you think of those that already use Live? It's a monthly timed service, not per hour though. Is it because it's by the hour? Is it because it's MS? Do you have no mental capacity to see such a service as any possible benefit to yourself? Don't get me wrong, I'm not for the championing of MS by any means, I'm just not quick to judge something so harshly when we A) Know so little and B) *MIGHT* actually benefit from such an opportunity. Think of the sales lost on products and the lack of benefit to the customers that didn't pay full price for a product they knew they'd only use once. This can offer to meet folks in the middle. A good piece of software rented out at your convenience for an affordable price. It's simply applying the method of offering services at timed rates to softwares, nothing new. And lastly, I only back this (as I stated in my very first post here) if it is an *option* to purchasing full price. Not a replacement, which I highly, highly doubt it is (a replacement).
IF the user would be allowed to stop their hourly rate if and when the predetermined price of the item had been reached. For the service or method to be financially viable it for ms that predetermined price may be 10-15% higher than the normal price. That would be a fairer way imo but whether MS would do such a thing is a different question altogether
YOU'RE ACTUALLY DEFENDING THIS?!! WTF is wrong with you? That wedding is still open you know. I can LEGALLY MARRY YOU TO MICROSOFT RIGHT NOW!!! I didn't think ANYONE would be stupid enough to actually think this was a good idea, but you just proved me wrong. Un-frickin-believable.
Lets say you pay that $1 an hour blade? If you spend enough time do you earn the full license? You know like rent to own or lease to own? Are you talking about using the product enough that it'll eventually pay for itself?
while I do like the idea of renting out certain programs or games, I dont agree with some of the other things that this patent is trying to make people pay for. They want to charge people for the performance of your computer, so if my computer is running anything I would have to pay for it. That is BS, furthermore if you decide to use alot of processing power they want to charge you more. That is BS. I all ready bought the computer and the processor why would I pay you more money. Personally I believe in renting games first but gamefly offers a better deal than MS on this, one game is 8 dollars and you get a whole library to choose from and its interchangeable. Now if I could just get the newly released games I would be happy.
This is basically a MS internet cafe type deal. I know it's too much to ask to RTFA, but one poster on Slashdot compared this to Kinkos. They charge $0.40 per minute to use a terminal with MS Office so you can print something. This just allows you to use MS Office for extended periods of time for cheaper, without having to own MS Office on your home PC. You can use OO, then go on to one of these PCs and make sure OO saved the .doc without screwing the formatting. For the games, I didn't see that addressed directly, but it seems like a game rental service, ala Gametap. Download the game, play them, but you're charged per hour. Blockbuster doesn't rent PC games, this is most definitely a PC application. $1.25/hr would get them no where in the console rental market, where like you said, Blockbuster and GameFly are king. In any case, this is not going to get rid of full licenses for software. Businesses will not subscribe to the per hour rate as it would cost them too much (8 hours a day, $1.15/hr, with how many employees? Versus $350 MSRP for Office right now).
No i honestly think there aren't any benefits when the word microsoft and fees are thrown in tandem. I have yet to see any company benefit from partnering with MS looking at the company's history and I am not about to believe the consumer is going to benefit in the LONG TERM. This isn't blind hate... No, not when I've been following OS computing for 20 years and seen every trick in MS's dirty book thrown at every potential competitor that has come their way. The only division in MS that has had any ounce of goodwill from me is their keyboard and mouse division and maybe the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. This fee charging scheme isn't even new. Ol' Bill was onto this in the early 90s when a leaked internal memo detailed how much more money MS could make charging a subscription service for everyone of their product and service. I believe they referred to power utility bills as a great example of the future. Lease computer hardware, lease computer time, lease internet time, lease the software on the computer.
MS=the cutting edge of rip-off.