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The Bayonetta Scandal Proves We Need To Talk About Voice Actors And Their Worth

Fans need to have a lot more respect for voice actors, but as Hellena Taylor reveals her insulting offer, we need to demistify the art of voice acting

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-Foxtrot607d ago

The thing which people don't understand I think is it's not just $4000 for the entire game but an overall full buy out, what about any remasters and the like down the line, re-releases or collections, it would include that aswell and she still only got paid so little.

Inverno607d ago

Funny you mention that cause years ago when Nikos voice actor was protesting how he should've gotten more money, with how well GTA 4 sold, most people just wrote it off as him being whiney.

LucasRuinedChildhood607d ago

He was given 25 times the amount she was offered at least (not accounting for inflation).

Jin_Sakai607d ago (Edited 607d ago )

“He was given 25 times the amount she was offered at least (not accounting for inflation).“

$100,000 may sound like a lot but it’s pocket change compared to what GTA makes. The game made $500,000,000 in the first week of launch.

GTA is a juggernaut compared to Bayonetta or any other game for that matter. Hellena Taylor should’ve been paid more and so should Nikos voice actor.

Gardenia607d ago

You agree with a contract before you start, just like any other job. If you have a case you go to court. If not then it is your own fault.
I don't understand the whole drama with this issue. Read and understand the contract.

--Onilink--607d ago

For someone complaining about people “not reading”, you certainly aren’t doing much of it yourself. She never agreed to the $4000 and was therefore replaced (with some suggesting she was given a low offer in order for her to reject it and replace her)

blackblades607d ago (Edited 607d ago )

Makes me think how much Reeves made doing cyberpunk or the celebs in death stranding. As well as how actors make doing animated movies etc. If they are good as nolan north and other higher VOs in video games they should be making good money they the ones who brings the characters to life. Imagine Nathan drake without nolan, its be eh. Reminded me of dynasty warriors 9 where there replaced the actors that I know for cheaper actors who did a bad job.

camel_toad607d ago (Edited 607d ago )

Off topic but still on topic... I wonder how soon video game devs will start using AI voice acting.

Indie games could really benefit from that.

jznrpg607d ago

Depends on the quality

notachance607d ago

idk the whole thing seems like a gray area to me

in one side, the company probably thinks they only have to charge based on the standard hourly wage, which some suggest the $4k is for 4 days job, 4 hours/day, which technically isn't exactly the wrong train of thought.
on the other side, she argued about her own value both as an actress and to the franchise as a whole, like a top artist earning millions from a 2-hours concert vs what a live singer gets performing for 2 hours at a cafe.

it's a classic value vs man-hour debate, if we side with her does that mean only the artistic side of development gets to charge more for their "worth"? what about all the developers, marketings, etc? they too had a hand (a major one at that) on the development of the game, shouldn't they "get a piece of the cake" instead of hour-based salary like normal?

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Bobertt607d ago

AI can create deepfakes, and even art now, in 10-15 years they will probably be able to do voices well and sadly this industry will probably start to die off looking at how greedy game publishers are now.

Shane Kim607d ago (Edited 607d ago )

Nah it's good. People in these pointless jobs that doesn't really benefit humanity are being paid quite well. Ronaldo's job is to dribble a damn ball and he lives in several mansions and have like 16 cars, one more luxurious than the next. Come on.

Outside_ofthe_Box607d ago (Edited 607d ago )

If it's so easy, you should do it. . . . .

A lot of the higher ups whether it be in businesses or sports teams don't do as much if anything at all compared to the guys at the bottom yet get paid thousands and millions more than them. It's not just Soccer players that do nothing yet have like 16 cars and live in mansions.

LightofDarkness607d ago (Edited 607d ago )

Sure, that's part of his job. The rest is:

3-4 hour intense professional athlete training sessions 5 days a week, + many more hours at the gym to focus training on certain muscles and injuries.
Constant promotional work for his team and his own brand, including interviews, signings, meetings with publisher and publicists etc.
Always having to be "on-brand" in public, knowing there are cameras pointed at you everywhere you go and any little slip up could spell disaster.
A good 9 months of endless travel to and from stadiums and other countries, multiple days of the week.

How much time do you think he gets to really spend in these huge mansions? Are you willing to take all that on? Granted he may be overvalued, but let's not pretend that job is easy compared to a 9-5 in the office.

ChubbyBlade606d ago

You left out 95% of his job. Nice. Forgot the nonstop training, promoting, touring, signings, etc.

But sure. It’s just dribbling a ball.

anast607d ago (Edited 607d ago )

You establish your worth when you sign a contract. If you take the money because someone else will take the job for less, you still valued yourself.

Voice actors need to collectively set the value of their work instead of letting the publisher set the value. There is nothing to talk about if the voice actors are not willing to actually do what it takes to change things. Begging people on Twitter for help while you safely sit in your house will not change something like this.

--Onilink--607d ago

She literally didnt take the job because of the amount offered

anast601d ago

She literally took the job before which she is literally complaining about. So, she literally established her worth at the time of literally signing the literal contract of the literal game of which she is literally asking people to literally boycott.

LightofDarkness607d ago (Edited 607d ago )

They have set that value: the SAG rate.

They offered her just above the SAG rate for her work, which she considered insulting. It's not illegal, but it is immoral. But it's clear that there's more to this than meets the eye, and my guess is that Bayonetta herself doesn't feature as prominently in this title.

antikbaka607d ago

I'd rather believe ppl who work in this field that this offer was no way insulting

aaronaton607d ago

We need to know how much to JP voice actress earned to contextualise the situation. If for instance the JP actress earned $50k, then there can be some grievance. However, if they earned something similar to $4k, why aren't people talking about the JP voice actors?

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We Interview: CoD BO6 Associate Director, Design Matt Scronce and Director of Production Yale Miller

David writes: "During our preview for Call of Duty: Black Ops 6, we had the opportunity to interview Matt Scronce (Associate Director, Design), and Yale Miller (Director of Production) from Treyarch."

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IGN Instructed & Offered Prizes for Crowd to Cheer During Phil Spencer and Other Live Interviews

During the IGN Live interview with Phil Spencer, the crowd cheered even if the topic was about closures, and its because they were told to.

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Snookies122d ago

Just reading this headline alone made me feel grimy. Disgusting, all around. Haven't trusted IGN since over a decade ago, so this isn't really surprising to hear.

Leeroyw2d ago

IGN lost a lot of credibility a long time ago. Now they're running on fumes.

MrDead2d ago

MS are buying up the industry so you need a compliant media to tell you how awesome consolidation and mass layoffs are... and they know MS is IP hunting too, they will be cut off from review copies of some of gaming's biggest IP's if they don't play ball.

peppeaccardo2d ago

The only way they can rise excitement in a crowd is paying for it. LAMENESS is MIcrosoft best product to date.

Skuletor2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I think that kind of thing night be standard. I once was in the audience for Wheel of Fortune and there was a guy that briefed us before the show on his hand signals, when we were supposed to react/applaud and stuff like that and we were told to check under our seats because one of them had a prize underneath it.

Edit: Okay, read the article, this was definitely some slimy behaviour by IGN and it sounds like it wasn't just on the behalf of Xbox either.

Also, since IGN bought Humble Bundle years ago, they stopped occasionally giving a game away for free during certain big sales events etc, screw IGN.

Profchaos2d ago

It is for say a game show or similar shows for entertainment purposes but a interview not really.

Petebloodyonion2d ago

Bruno Rodriguez confirmed that his statement applied to the entire three-day Fanfest event, not solely Phil Spencer's interview. Regrettably, this part of his response is absent from the article, which raises questions about its omission.
Here is the complete explanation
https://x.com/BrunoRo115301...

DarXyde2d ago

Petebloodyonion,

It is an odd omission. While I do believe IGN has some problematic biases, one can't really say it's done for Spencer in light of this information.

Good follow up.

Inverno2d ago

IGN not being trustworthy? Yeah we've been knowing that.

GaboonViper2d ago

I remember when they gave Alien Isolation a bad review because the alien AI acted like a actual Xenomorph which was free to do what it wanted and hunt you down, and docked Days Gone points because it had a white female as Deacons Girl, oh and they have one of the worst fanboys in Dustin, he has no shame whatsoever.

Inverno2d ago

Don't forget "too much water". It's like they hate hire people that hate their jobs. This is a people problem, when people aren't humbled they become full of themselves. IGN and other news publishers have been given too much sway, and too much preferential treatment. They forget they're meant to inform the people, and have instead become a tool to sell an image these companies want to portray. Perception of power and authority and influence corrupts people.

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Former PlayStation CEO Shawn Layden Was Baited to Mock Xbox Boss Phil Spencer

Former PlayStation CEO Shawn Layden mocked Xbox Chief Phil Spencer on Twitter over his comments in a recent interview, though it seems the former PlayStation boss didn't see the entire interview before reacting.

Sonic18813d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Must be a slow news day 🙄 😴 We're talking about a former ceo that doesn't even work for Sony anymore

VenomUK3d ago

@mp1st.com’s Ibrahim Kabir is so invested in the format wars that when Shawn Layden called out Phil Spencer for his hypocritical stance on Call of Duty exclusivity, Ibrahim got upset at the mocking of Spencer. So now he’s written a useless article to say Phil Spencer deliberately said that because IT WAS A TRAP?!!

Please stop this nonsense, just stop it. Write about news, not this crap.

DarXyde2d ago

The Heart Part 7 is even worse than Part 6 somehow. 🤭

neomahi2d ago

And not a very good one either. Jacky T!!! Now that guy

ArmrdChaos2d ago

Just more senseless crap in attempts to distract us away from all the DEI BS the industry is trying to pull.

derek3d ago

He wasn't baited, it was a stupid hypocritical comment from one Phillip Spencer which is par for the course for him.

Reaper22_3d ago

What was stupid about what he said?

CrimsonWing693d ago

Yea I was trying to figure that out, too.

VersusDMC3d ago

Well he saying he didn't want to do slimy tactics because he wants it to go to everyone like he's a saint...but we know Starfield still isn't on PS and the call of duty parity is due to a 10 year contract they signed to help get the Activision buy out to go through.
https://www.google.com/amp/...

He also complained that he couldn't advertize COD on their showcase because of the Marketing deal Sony had with COD when they had one with Cyberpunk and currently have one with all the Atlus games. It's just hypocrisy all around.

Giga_Gaia2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@VersusDMC they're also the ones who did those deals first on the 360. You'd also bet if they were market leader, they'd be doing the same thing because Microsoft are a bunch of hypocrites.

Also, Phil Spencer is far from a saint. I've never seen such a despicable and worthless human being in my entire life. Plus his stupid smile, clearly evil and I just want to punch him in the face as hard as I can.

Gamepass is good for gamers, but the worst thing for developers and you can bet if it takes off even more, the monthly fee will skyrocket. Not that it will, the subscriptions aren't increasing and I seriously doubt they will, they've reach their peak already.

DivineHand1252d ago

@Giga_Gaia I don't know what's worse the comment or the people who liked your comment.
"Phil Spencer is far from a saint. I've never seen such a despicable and worthless human being in my entire life. Plus his stupid smile, clearly evil and I just want to punch him in the face as hard as I can."

He is the CEO of a video game company. I can think of a hundred other people who deserve that level of hatred.

You failed to mention what vile act was done by Phil Spenser but I suspect the main thing he is really guilty of is that he is Sony's main competitor. Xbox in the 360 days is much different than the Xbox of today so whatever was done back then doesn't apply to how Xbox is being run today. Had Xbox continued with that style of management, they would likely have remained the market leader by a significant margin as they would purposely outbid Sony on every deal. Except what we are hearing Phil Spenser say is that Sony is making all these deals which are detrimental to Xbox which is odd because he has more money than PlayStation. This leads me to believe that his style of leadership is much different from what we know Xbox was back in the 360 days.
Leave this console war nonsense behind. They are just pieces of plastic for your entertainment. Start thinking like a consumer and show no loyalty to either side.

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Lightning772d ago

"And Microsoft absolutely ripped Hifi rush, redfall and Starfield off playstation as they had PS5 versions in development."

Big difference between knowing the back room politics of what we found out and those games not being formerly announced to be on PS in the first place, vs a game like Stellar Blade that was announced to the world that its coming to Xbox only years later no longer coming to Xbox. Again those games weren't announced to be on PS. Plus, just like COD they own those games which means they can do what they please with those games. Hi FI made it on PS5 eventually.

Unlike Final Fantasy remakes, keeping a 3rd party IP off other platforms. IP Sony doesn't own. You're right MS was very slimy mainly during the 360 days and early X1 days. As of late in the past 8+ years or so Sony has been doing more 3rd party deals and having timed exclusive things compared to MS. Again I go where the facts are, as you know.

shinoff21832d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Ms hasn't had many 3rd party exclusives games cause all the 3rd party games their paying for day 1 on gamepass. Idk how tf yall can't see that. They can't pay for both. Well won't pay for both. So what do you want. Day 1 3rd party or 3rd party exclusives

Also come on we already know game sales just aren't there

VersusDMC2d ago

So if Sony bought Square and every Square game was exclusive to playstation it would be fine but 3 Square games exclusive to PS5 and several on other consoles is worse?

And Microsoft is slimy for not releasing Indiana Jones on PS5 because it is IP Microsoft doesn't own, right?

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Lightning772d ago (Edited 2d ago )

"So if Sony bought Square and every Square game was exclusive to playstation it would be fine but 3 Square games exclusive to PS5 and several on other consoles is worse?"

Yeah since they would own them. They can do as they please. If the roles were reversed you would be real mad at MS for keeping those games to themselves instead of investing in new IP MS would poach 3rd party constantly, like they use to do. Everyone would hate MS for making the remakes only on Xbox, I mean everyone. Let's not pretend ppl won't.

From a PR standpoint Phil won't mention all the slimy stuff he used to do constantly. Like the entire 360 generation and early x1 days until fans and media blasted him when it came to TR. That's just common sense he won't talk about that.

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MrBeatdown3d ago

Everyone knows exactly what Phil was doing.

Hofstaderman3d ago

Misdirecting, lying, projecting....the list can go on and on.

anast3d ago

These are two professional sleaze bags. They know what they are doing when it comes to lying, being slimy and turning a profit. They might be okay outside of work, but while they are playing out their drama for a paycheck, their characters are the moustache twirling bad guy.

Reaper22_3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I think most people knew that was just click bait stuff meant to get a rise out of sony fans. Unfortunately, some fell for it. Phil wasn't taking a shot at sony or anyone else. All he meant was we are giving you a choice.

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