Bethesda's next RPG may still feel distant, but it's a much bigger threat than Call of Duty.
You don't spend billions on a company like Bethesda to share your toys.
The huge take away people should get from this is to never, NEVER, trust the words coming out of an executive's mouth. They are not your friends. They are not one of us. They are the face for business decisions, which are purely profit driven. Stop holding them up like they're people of morals. They're people of greed. It's their job.
They are all like that، all looking out for their own benefit, despite what they say
,sony make deals for console exclusives Microsoft make console exclusives no difference. only microsoft have the money to do more lately.
Every time an exec (or politician) gives a non-answer or act like they 'don't know', you can bet that they already know exactly what they are going to do but just don't want any bad press surrounding their decision or their answer.
Microsoft buys console exclusives*. Let's not sugar coat it. But yes, none of the suits are for us gamers.
" ...NEVER, trust the words coming out of an executive's mouth..."
No, you shouldn't trust words coming out of an any (Microsoft, Sony, Apple, Google, etc) executive's mouth.
... but did Microsoft ever say they would release Elder Scrolls 6 on Playstation?
Honestly, so much fuss about nothing. Microsoft purchased Bethesda, they can do whatever they want with them. People really need to stop bitching about Bethesda.
Literally said they want to reach more gamers (literally advertised this), had no intention of removing games from gamers, no plans to limit existing IPs. All things said during the CMA and FTC hearings.
Also, how is me saying "NEVER, trust the words coming out of an executive's mouth..." different from what you said? You essentially said "No, but yes." Why?
I think those comments were open to interpretation - I always understood them to mean that they were supporting already released games - ie. the MMOs and DLC for stuff like Deathloop.
@Shinoff2183
You can't cherry pick... He also said case by case basis. If you look at the totality of the situation you would have to be brain dead if you think a company would pay all that money not to have some exclusives
Politicians and CEOS speak the same language.
If you put words in a certain order, you can insinuate something, while at the same time leaving wiggle room if you are ever pushed on what you said..
Same way Trump gets people to stage a coup without him saying the words.
I honestly wasn't expecting ES6 on PS, but I have a PC if it piques my interest.
I said if because Bethesda hasn't done any advancement in the decade, and I've see starfield...it has reinforced my belief that B is just overrated.
NOW if MS announced Obsidian was developing ES6, they couldn't take my money fast enough.
Sorry Phil I think he was just saying that already, only you took it a personal attack on your beloved Microshaft
like sony right ? jim ryan lied many times and you said nothing . where did Microsoft said they was gonna keep making BGS make games for PlayStation ?? what if sony some how make Bungie make games only for PlayStation. are you gonna say the same about sony lied ? i bet you wont
What part of "an executive's mouth" was unclear? And as I said above, Microsoft said they want to reach more gamers (literally advertised this), had no intention of removing games from gamers, no plans to limit existing IPs. All things said during the CMA and FTC hearings.
Man the whataboutisms coming out of your comment. But mom he did this! Bro no corporation is your friend you shouldn't trust anyone.
Yes absolutely don’t trust them. They say what we want to hear around the time of acquisitions but as soon as they take control the company they can do whatever they want
MS started a very bad trend of buying publishers. Sony will react accordingly and buy what they can afford (square capcom sega etc)
Is this your first time dealing with exclusivity? Like, why the PSA when anything first-party becomes exclusive to a publisher?
Did you get this way with Spider-Man?
"Microsoft said they want to reach more gamers (literally advertised this), had no intention of removing games from gamers, no plans to limit existing IPs."
I know what your talking about. The internal rumble within MS by possibly making everything exclusive. That's just internal talk about plans and internal speculation.
They never announced or said future games were going multiplat, never unless you know something that I don't.
They said future ips will be on xbox older games or legacy titles were multiplat. That was their final decision not internal talk and speculation like all companies do.
*** I know what your talking about. The internal rumble within MS by possibly making everything exclusive. That's just internal talk about plans and internal speculation. ***
These were statements confirmed during the CMA/FTC hearings and were confirmed to still be their plan. And they literally advertised the 'more games in more gamers' hands' during the CMA process. Advertised it. So, no. That's public-facing confirmation.
"These were statements confirmed during the CMA/FTC hearings and were confirmed to still be their plan."
Not saying you're wrong but unless you give facts MS would immediately have gotten shut down in court for going back in their word and lying.
"And they literally advertised the 'more games in more gamers' hands' during the CMA process. Advertised it. So, no. That's public-facing confirmation."
You know exactly what they mean when they say that. Since Quantum Break in March 2016 the first Xbox published game to go PC. Then they started working on cloud and play anyway, GP came in now you can play on TV, tablets, Phones, handhelds/Steam deck ROG Ally. This is nothing new everyone knows what they mean by getting their games in more hands as possible. If you thought that included PS then I don't know what to tell you.
*** Not saying you're wrong but unless you give facts MS would immediately have gotten shut down in court for going back in their word and lying. ***
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"Since we announced our intent, our actions have demonstrated our commitment to bringing more games to more people on more devices. This includes numerous signed agreements to make Activision Blizzard’s games, Xbox first party games and Game Pass all available to more players than they are today. I’m proud of our efforts to expand player access and choice throughout the process. This deal has already been cleared to move forward in 38 countries, and we will continue to work toward timely resolution in other jurisdictions."
"We embarked on this deal with a clear vision for meeting players where they are, and with today’s decision by the Court, we take an important step forward in bringing this vision to life."
Yes they are doing that many devices. They agreed to support legacy Bethesda titles on PS, COD being on PS also. That's it, that's what was announced to us. Where did they say ES6 and future Bethesda games are going on PS? They made it clear 2 years ago after they bought Bethesda.
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Unless GP hits PS then the games will remain on Xbox PC and everywhere else besides PS or Nintendo.
I honestly thought you knew all this already.
@Christopher, let's not assume all executives are as myopic about the destruction of their competitors or controlling a market absolutely. Sure they all want to compete but Microsoft is unique in that they believe they're wealth entitles them to monopolize any industry they're in and if they can't they'll bounce. I doubt very much if you poured through James Ryan's emails, you find him glibbly talking about strategies to take control of Nintendo and how it would be "good" for Nintendo.
I get the idea that there are lesser evils, but they're all still evil and oftentimes they're lesser only because they haven't had a taste of greater power yet but would do the same if they had it.
So much for Case by Case i cant wait till Destiny 3 drops and Sony only Puts on on PC and Ps5. When that day comes i will make sure to have all these articles ready to go!
Speaking of which..is destniy 2 servers removed or something. I downloaded ps5 version of destiny and couldn't connect like at all
It won't just be Destiny though. I have a feeling that most Bungie new IPs will be exclusive to Playstation and PC in the future especially after these Microsoft leaks
They said when they bought Bungie that all games would remain multiplatform. They could have put Marathon on PC and PS only since it was announced after the purchase. But didn't because they weren't vague about their wording like using Case by Case.
except, if the reporting is true, PS/Sony have zero say as to whether a Bungie game is or is not released on other platforms. It's one reason so many people were scratching their heads at the deal with Bungie. PS offers Bungie the necessary funding they absolutely needed, but Bungie still retains rights to develop games on whatever platforms they so choose. Now I'm not saying Bungie will never make an exclusive, but if the reporting is correct that would be their decision, not Sony/PS.
Thats the Bungie pull for you. Damn nice move on Bungies part remaining in control like that
Sony has Every right an can do what ever it wants with Bungies Ip and the studio if u think otherwise u stupid as hell
Tbh I actually feel like Sony is seeing the dollars these games make and wants Bungie focussing on these MMO multi play games so they can take in that loot box money.
I'm actually very worried about Sony tbh as the sudden pivot to majority spending on online games is worrying.
As someone who has always enjoyed PlayStation for the single player experiences every gen since the PS1 I don't know how much is left for me in the future plans
Sony would have to do a contract as they did with COD. Otherwise there's no point in xbox putting it on PS.
Profits from the largest home console market, who needs that? No point at all to sell to the largest market in consoles. None. Unless you're purposefully losing out on potential cash to push your subscription service and nothing else. Unless your goal isn't profits, but control of where the industry goes and ensuring you control that element as well as are the only provider of the backend for said element.
"Profits from the largest home console market, who needs that? No point at all to sell to the largest market in consoles. None."
OK that's literally the whole point of competition. You have a big dog and under dog. Under dog wants to chip away at said Big dog. That's how it works since the dawn of time.
If Sony bought Bethesda it sounds like wouldn't be complaining about ES6 being only on PS only then. Since they have the largest console market right? In your own words?
Isn't that the point of competition? Should Microsoft forfeit or share every AAA game with Sony because PlayStation is CURRENTLY the largest console market? How else would Microsoft level the playing field? By forfeiting every game to Sony because of PlayStation's install base?
Should Nintendo also put all their games on PlayStation?
You guys have a problem with me replying to "there's no point in putting it on PS"? I also literally said it is about competition.
So, what are you guys replying to? The fact that I pointed out why they would put it on PS? Or just to say something?
I never had any interest in playing Elder Scrolls so it doesn't bother me though I own all 3 current consoles but I'm quite sure most solely PS5 owners don't care either.
How or why are you quite sure everyone else feels the same way about a very popular game as you?
Phil Spencer may have just answered what platforms we're going to see Elder Scrolls 6 on, and one console is notably absent.
Of cause it is, the question is will he ban the game not just from Sony gamers but also Steam and Epic too? The Elder Scrolls is a massive IP and has a huge player base, I have a feeling it won't be long before the ban hammer is extended to other platforms, especially if banning Starfield from releasing on PS has worked. MS has shown it can't be bothered to make games, so why not just take and limit access to what's already been built?
Starfield not releasing on PS didn’t work at all. Xbox players are not buying or even playing it. PS was a stronger market for Bethesda. How many people do you really think bought a Xbox for starfield? I want Starfield to be a success so PS can get off their high horse.
Starfield sales are completely reliant on Steam as it's a new IP, MS would be nuts to ban it from there. Fallout, Elder Scrolls, are already established IP's that has a huge player base, I can see MS start pulling those games from competing storefronts to force people onto on Live if they want to keep playing, they banned Starfield, Redfall, Hifi Rush being released on Bethesda's largest console market so let's see what they ban next... Also don't forget the Activision deal and all their studios and IP's are soon to be banned from PS leaving gamers with less choice where to play multiplatform games and forcing people onto Live if they want to keep playing.
Bethesda, Activision are purchased for the IP's, some of the biggest in gaming. MS want to force gamers onto Live by removing choice of where we play, they do this by industry consolidation. Lets see what other publishers they buy and ban from gamers when the Activision deal goes through, as we already know there are very little protections for the consumer and what there is can be easily bypassed with cash.
@ken
I have gampass and I paid for the upgrade that included early access. A lot of other people paid because remember when early access started they had over a million players. The only way to have early access was to pay.
where are you getting your info lol hundreds of thousands of people are playing the game and bought it. go on reddit thats all anyones talking about.
I bought it, but, im not gonna lie, i probably woulda picked up the PS version of the game if it were multiplat
Not a single person is questioning if it will release on Steam or not besides you.
Sony on the other hand would lock it down forever on console if given the opportunity.
Why would they allow games on a competing store front once they've consolidated the industry? Steam is only useful for now.
What are you even talking about. This is demonstratably false. Playstation is even releasing their own games on pc.
@mkis007
How is this false? It's happened to every industry that has seen consolidation, once you control a certain percentage of what's available you call the shots. Your Sony comparison doesn't work, PS exclusives are not reliant on other platforms for sales and are only multiplatform when Sony choses. MS has taken the biggest multiplatform ip's that already have a huge active user base and is slowly banning them from competing platforms, Steam is competition and useful only for as long as MS needs the sales once they buy enough of the industry the strength of the IP's will direct consumers to Live.
"Sony on the other hand would lock it down forever on console if given the opportunity."
Name one time where Sony bought a multiplat studio (that being a studio NOT heavily associated with Playstation exclusives) and then released an exclusive title that would have come to xbox.
So that's why all their biggest hits are releasing on PC now... lol. Schrodinger's Xbot... Sony wants to lock every game behind console exclusivity, but there's no reason to buy a PS5 because you can get all its best games on PC.
Sony bought Bungie, they still allowed Destiny 2 to be on other consoles and platforms. So the opportunity was there and they didnt do it. So your statement is false.
Starfield will show MS is they see an increase in the subscriptions. TBH all MS owned studios will make Xbox exclusives
They will continue to release on PC there is absolutely no way that they will stop supporting PC. Only MS games to come on PS will be Minecraft and COD
All those gamers that were saying MS buying studios isn’t about monopoly or keeping away from other platforms are completely wrong. I have a question ask yourself this question:
If Sony buys capcom and make their games like resident evil, monster hunter, street fighter etc only on PS how would you feel. So when you are laughing at PlayStation fans now for being salty don’t be surprised if this becomes a reality
MS just started this bad practice and we as gamers will be left with less options. In 5 years time there will be no more capcom, sega, square or Konami. You can bookmark this comment. In less than 5 years we will be left with greedy publishers
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"They will continue to release on PC there is absolutely no way that they will stop supporting PC" Who said they'll stop releasing games on PC?.. you do know Live is on PC too don't you?
So you're asking me will Sony be forced into buying publishers to try and protect it's self from MS buying the industry and will I hate Sony (and anyone else that wants to keep 3rd party games) for being pushed into this position? Yes it will suck, and it'll be thanks to MS
Sony doesn't need to buy multiplatform publishers as their platform is the lead platform for sales in the console market thanks to their investment in quality exclusives, only MS is pushing this future and it's success with banning established IP's and publishers from competition will dictate the future of buyouts and bans.
No I wasn’t asking you. That’s my observation, from where the industry is going, especially with the recent acquisition. There is no way Sony will not acquire publishers.
And I disagree with you Sony being the market leader, this generation has no bearing on what happens next generation, when many gamers realize that games like fallout in elder scrolls, can only be had on Xbox.
Yes, Sony has made very smart investments in the past as a longtime PlayStation fan. I can’t disagree with that, but they are severely lacking when it comes to any sort of RPG‘s.
Also, keep in mind I am not being negative towards Microsoft, acquiring studios simply because development cost has gone way too high for a lot of small size publishers. Even the parent company for Bethesda zenimax were struggling financially. During the FTC case we saw firsthand that both Sony and Microsoft said that the development cost for most AAA blockbusters is 200+ million dollars. Keep in mind epic games which is worth more than $20 billion. Did not want to pay the development cost for gears of war that’s why they sold IP.
For many of the small to medium size publishers moving forward industry is going to price them out
So what's the point you're trying to make to me?
I have issues with MS buying up and banning competition from the biggest IP's and publishers in gaming and consolidating the industry which practices have been proven to be negative for the consumer, workers and any competition.
No one else is doing this, only MS.
@Neutral
I also have a PC and XSX. Sony can't afford to buy dev and make them PS only exclusives. Look at the Bungie deal and the fact they bought a company just to port games to PC. With Gamepass and my PC for Sony "exclusives " I will be fine. 😁
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That’s where the industry is heading towards whether we like it or not. Gaming industry will either be AAA or indies. There isn’t much space for AA size publishers. A proper AAA game costs 100 plus million to develop not counting PR campaign
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Keep thinking that. Sony not only has the funds but intentions of making exclusives. PC space is different because both MS and Sony are releasing games on PC. They don’t consider PC their competition. I recently got a gaming PC and prefer to play games on PC even though I own XSX and PS5. PC just provides more options and freedom
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Within next 18-24 months both will be acquired by Sony IMO and their respective games will not come to Xbox. Also sony is different when it comes to PC. They make games for PS5 first and after a year or so they will release them on PC. This way they can charge full price on PS5 and again full price on PC
Square enix acquisition was confirmed by all industry veterans. Sony wants capcom way more RN and have 20 billion in acquisition fund. 20 billion can buy them capcom and square enix with hefty amount still left over
I think the heart of it is that MS is too big. Biggest company in the world. So the benefits of competition/capitalism just break down when a single company has that many resources and can pull the rug out from competitors just by spending money.
If Sony had that much money, they would undoubtedly be the bad guy. It just needs to be more balanced for competition to work.
I can see it as a Xbox/PC exclusive. Sony fanboys have claimed several times that Bethesda games are crap. For them Fallout 4 and 76 is crap, Skyrim is crap, Starfield is crap. Why bother launching Bethesda games on Playstation?
why do you have an issue with what microsoft is doing..do you have stakes in sony or something? buy an xbox so you can play every game and stop crying
Reckon sales/player engagement will drop if its not on ps. Don't forget Sony/nintendo is the console market and the console market is sony/nintendo . The rest are just smaller players fighting for the remaining player base.
"No, PC is actually is a much larger market than Playstation."
False.
PS sells more multiplat units of software vs PC and it's not even close. Which is why almost all 3rd party developers consider PS as the first choice for software.
Elden ring sold 20 million units and 10 million were sold on pc, thats 50% of game sales on pc. Your kind of delusional idiots keep on riding sony and thats why they can get away with increasing ps subscription prices by 30%.
Money talk bs walk rip Bob barker but if price is right it will be on Playstation
After seeing the numbers Starfield is doing without Playstation. What does ES6 need to be on Playstation?
@Lolly you know the numbers. The 6 millions who have played at least 1 minutes of the game. You know them numbers. Where we don't know if that's 6 million sold. Or 6 million rented for a month via gamepass or a mix of both.
Guaranteed gamepass has had a lot more subs for this month due to starfield. I subbed as I found a cheap as chips 14 day trial. Making it my goal I complete it on that £2 trial lol.
Well when it comes to numbers thanks to gamepass they really don't mean sh. They damn sure don't equate sales.
Early access was all people who paid. They say over 1 million on steam and over 2 million total. Now add the gamepass people. Those are the numbers. Any other questions on the numbers?😉
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Really? It’s selling relatively poor vs other exclusive games on almost any platform. Considering this was a 25 years in the making behemoth previously intended to be multi platforms and the best it can muster is a million or so out of the gate, the piddly performance Nintendo Switch exclusive Zelda and Pikmin both eclipsed it in sales.
Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 5 are still in the ether, but as we wait on the Starfield release date, perhaps Bethesda’s RPG game slowness is a good thing
Becaaaaaaaaaause it isn't a good thing. I mean as long as the games come out good I guess, but 100 re releases is annoying
Because Bethesda is content to keep milking Skyrim over and over. The next Elder Scrolls will most likely release on the next Xbox and PlayStation
Playstation?......
Unfortunately, I don't think so. Not even THIS Playstation, right?
I'd be surprised if Microsoft keeps Elder Scrolls 6 off PlayStation. New IP such as Starfield and Redfall yeah they'll be exclusive to Xbox but Elder Scrolls and Fallout have been on PlayStation and sell way too many copies to be made exclusive to just one platform.
No it isnt good. There is no reason we should be waiting a decade for a game sequel. All bethesda is doing is losing 10s of millions a year and destroying hype for games. At least with microsoft in charge maybe they wont release stuff so buggy.
Can’t wait to play both games on Game Pass day 1.
The sales figures would disagree so...
Elder scrolls 5 sold 30milion across all platforms and it took them 6 years to do that.
Call of duty sales 10 -15 million approx, per platform, per year. So sells 6x more roughly than elder scrolls.
If someone's got some more accurate numbers or info, I'd love to see .
ES6 is years away after being obviously very prematuraly announced, so I every much disagree, who knows what the industry will be like in 5+ years.
You sure Elder Scrolls not being on a Playstation console won't hurt Elder Scrolls? I don't know if Elder Scolls would be enough to make people who wouldn't get an xbox otherwise, go out and get one in droves. If anything, it might be a big boost for PC. Crazier things have happened I guess.
Nope COD is a yearly loss while ES is once in 10 or so years. Also COD won't be exclusive neither will be Diablo or over watch 2