Forbes : More than a year and a half after launch now, Cyberpunk 2077 continues to stick with me. Not just in terms of the game itself, which I played through in the early, hyper-buggy days, but in terms of what could have been had CDPR execs not kicked it out the door well before it was ready.
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I really want to know what's going on with docked vrr cause cyberpunk at 40 fps docked seems to be a choice driven by vrr
The first confirmed use of Nvidia's machine learning-based upscaler is revealed - and it's in one of Switch 2's most demanding titles.
Based on so e of the impossible ports we saw on switch 1 I'm not worried about the hardwares longevity.
Next gen systems ps6 and next box might slow down switch 2 development but given leaks showing PlayStation releasing a new portable system around the same time as ps6 that can play ps5 games says that next gen cross gen seems to be poised to last the entire generation
And right now I'd say there isn't much that couldn't be scaled down to run on switch 2
Nvidia or Nintendo need to come out and detail how dlss will work on switch 2. Like is it dlss4? Or just completely customized for the switch.
I like to know as well, which version of DLSS? 2, 3, 3.5 or 4? I mean it's not that hard for Nintendo to say which version games will use.
Given the specs of the system and the time the hardware was produced if I had a stab in the dark I'd say a heavily customised dlss3
it's GPU is based around ampere technology, which is 3 series cards tech. So some features from DLSS4 can be ported down to older cards, just not some 5 series exclusive features like multi-frame gen.
40fps docked is a interesting choice as it's in the vrr range but we don't have confirmation of vrr docked
The Cyberpunk 2077 Ultimate Edition is coming to the Nintendo Switch 2, but what kind of performance can you expect?
Targeting 1080p means a modest resolution compared to PS5 & Series X - but at least it’s a step up from the disappointing performance on Xbox Series S.
I don't understand your comment. Cyberpunk 2077 runs at 1080p 60 FPS on the series S in performance mode and 1440p 30 fps in quality mode.
The series S is more powerful than the majority of the handhelds on the market because it has access to more power while the handhelds have to be constrained to preserve battery life.
are we really at this point, where we defend older tech?
but i get it, its nintendo, they always get away with that shit.
We got CP2077 running native on a Nintendo but still no GTA V, which could've easily run on Switch 1.
Looks like PS4 base model to me. Not sure why 12 year-old hardware quality is a selling point, especially without Ray Tracing.
@christopher it's now been confirmed the switch 2 does feature ray tracing and dlss
https://www.theverge.com/ne...
@Profchaos none of it is in the gameplay shown for CP2077 and highly likely extremely limited for games that do utilize it. Much like the PS4/XBO. Again, 12 year old tech.
@Profchaos
My phone also has hardware accelerated raytracing. What games use it? World of Tanks and what else? Basically nothing. What Switch 2 games feature any kind of RT?
@christopher
Nintendo has been targeting a generation older perf since Wii.
Wii stayed at Gamecube perf level, WiiU reached slightly over X360/PS3, but commercially failed.
So, Nintendo Switched to handheld. That's a different architecture space but its a more modern architecture which let it perform much better than the X360/WiiU space and hence was able to stay relevant this long.
Hence Switch 2 continuing the handheld trend and will also be able to continue the perf trend of being able to perform slightly better than the base PS4 level space.
Yes, it should've arrived at least 2 years prior but that's Wii U gen ending early, Switch taking over early and staying relevant for much longer that caused its launch delay.
The echo chamber hates anything the switch 2 does apparently. Because they hate the price of some games.
Guys wouldn't have coped with the Neo Geo
It's a portable, and it's Nintendo, not unexpected..
If you want frame rate and higher res/textures then just get a PS5 or better yet a good PC.
I wouldn't buy a Switch 2 for third party games unless they were light on the hardware.
A tiny comment without much context or reasoning, but the upvotes echo the community here.
To put things into perspective, the Steam Deck’s preset for Cyberpunk 2077 runs at a mix of medium and low settings, targets 40 FPS, and renders at 650p before upscaling. That means the Switch 2 version will likely be very close to what you get on the Deck in handheld mode, possibly a bit sharper.
When it comes to efficiency, the Steam Deck lasts between 1 hour 40 minutes and 2 hours 15 minutes while running Cyberpunk. Based on Nintendo’s own worst-case scenario, the Switch 2 should be in the same range at around 2 hours, but if it's more efficient, it could do better.
Docked mode is where things get more interesting. The Steam Deck doesn’t have an official docked mode, but with Power Tools, you can overclock it while plugged in, pushing the resolution to 900p native, bumping most settings to medium, and still holding 40 FPS. If the Switch 2 is aiming for 1080p in docked mode and achieving it natively, then it could have a slight edge in performance.
Honestly, that’s solid performance, and if the efficiency is there, it might surpass the Steam Deck when it comes to AAA games. However, it’s not going to be a game-changer. More powerful current Windows handhelds will likely surpass it in many scenarios, but they are also more expensive and less efficient.
Really well said to bad everyone even slightly positive about switch is getting hate similar to the pro did.
People just don't like that people enjoy things and probably want Nintendo to fold so we only have one console maker
I mean, don’t get me wrong, I still think it can be a pretty bad value. But unlike the Pro, the lack of value isn’t going to come from the hardware or a lack thereof. It’s the game prices that could end up being way too high, with Nintendo opening the floodgates.
But that’s something we will have to wait and see.
@vits I agree game prices are a real problem thankfully third parties appear to have stuck to a traditional price point games like street fighter 6 appear to be available for a far cheaper price than mk world.
I'll be getting the mk world bundle personally. I would prefer the physical cart but when it's half the cost in the bundle it's a no brainer.
I still stand by the fact the hardware needs a chance to prove itself and from what I saw in yesterday's presentation it looks like strong capable hardware NVIDIA have also validated overnight that dlss and ray tracing features are supported on the switch 2 with the df team not seeing many signs of games running dlss in the presentation it seems there might be more to the hardware than we have seen right now.
I don't think downplaying the whole system is fair because of the game prices realistically this will be reflected in retail sales and the market will speak for itself right now Nintendo shares have gone up since the reveal.
its more the mindset of: if a gaming machine isn't EXACTLY how i want my gaming machines, it's bad.For the audience that they're targeting, it's great except the game prices...thats just stupid, but I suspect they'll get away with it and others will follow suit with their game prices.
40 on a vrr display can result in gameplay that feels akin to 60.
Vrr is an amazing tech we still need to learn if Nintendo vrr bottoms out like PS5 does (xsx doesn't) but I would be expecting 40 with vrr to become a standard on switch 2
For clarity I'm playing god of war Ragnarok using the 40 fps mode with vrr on ps5 and it's fantastic it should be a standard
I really enjoyed the game.
A year wouldn’t have fixed the other issues
People are so taken back by the bugs and the like that they forget the game just feels lifeless and not what was promised, hyped up or in some places shown off at pats game shows
They had to launch it last-gen, no other option….
No, it wouldn’t have… unless the game was exactly what they were pitching to us, which it wouldn’t have been.
I played the game on Current-Gen (Xbox Series X) and aside from the typical bugs you find in a Bethesda-like game, the game was fine as a game.
A year wouldn’t have magically changed how amazing the game would have been. What they needed to do was make the game a full-on “next-gen” game and deliver on the immersion and visuals they kept feeding us from fake gameplay trailers.
I really hope the industry learned a lesson from this. Stop Watch Dogging us and Cyberpunking us with fake gameplay trailers. Yea, you may sucker people into giving you sales initially, but in the long-run it’ll come back to bite you on the ass.
Doubtful. I’d guess another year delay and they wouldn’t have sold as much as they did. Hype dies quickly.
I still haven’t played it and I bought it at launch. I was waiting for the ps5 version and now my interest can’t be bothered. I have too many games to play and that’s on the bottom of the list.