Forza Motorsport will need to add more personality to its racing if Turn 10 wants to overtake GT7

Why Turn 10 should ditch the Drivatar system for more defined AI in Forza Motorsport

[Orchard]

All it really has to do is launch and not be always online, and not be filled with egregious MTX and it's already got way more 'personality' than GT7. Any AI improvements are just icing on top.

[Knushwood Butt]

Locking cars behind DLC paywalls has way more personality.

The AI in GT7 is dire, so if this can do better then at least it's not a full course yellow.

[Mr Logic]

There was no point in spending time and resources on GT7 AI when they announced that Sophy is coming.

[Knushwood Butt]

Good point about Sophy, but someone at Polyphony definitely spent time on the GT7 AI because it is notably worse than it is in GT Sport!
Let's hope Polyphony fix it and add PSVR2 support, then I'll be happy. Honestly have no motivation to play GT7 events with AI cars involved. If I do play it, I do things like circuit experience.

[EvertonFC]

Just to be clear you do realise you have to do a one time verification online to play FM7 so isn't that the same some what ?
I think it's stupid GT7 included but let's not pretend forza is any different, how is someone without internet going to do the the one time verification ? It's the same with train simulator can't play it without the 1 time verification.

[TinkerNation]

You are right, it is exactly the same. In fact, I think there is so little difference that all games should be always online. Everyone hates single player games anyway, and loves simply renting the games and losing access the moment the servers have issues, are updating, or when they are eventually taken down. Because games without always online are so outdated. Wanting full access to the games you bought is just gamer entitlement, and obviously an outdated way of thinking.

Yes, all games should be always online and filled to the brim with expensive microtransactions. Because then when you earn those things by grinding for hours and hours of your real life time, you can feel a sense of pride and accomplishment that is greater the more expensive the microtransations are.

[AuraAbjure]

I won't buy any game that has a robust single player mode if it requires an internet connection.

[Orchard]

One time activation? You can just dump the Forza disk in and play offline.

Also, even if it did have a one time activation, that's still not always online. Let's not forget, GT7's singleplayer was unplayable for over a day near launch due to server issues. Servers that are wholly unrequired for singleplayer. That is always online.

Forza's servers can go down / you can go offline, and you can still play singleplayer.

[SurgicalMenace]

Why do so many people complain about optional antidotes? I've never explored microtransactions and nor have their existence ever affected how a game plays. Can we give it a rest now?

Aren't our phones, smart TVs, security systems, etc all always online? Why would our games be any different? It's just the way things are now.

[Obscure_Observer]

"All it really has to do is launch and not be always online, and not be filled with egregious MTX and it's already got way more 'personality' than GT7. Any AI improvements are just icing on top."

Perfect.

Leave all that "personality" for GT7 and you´re good to go.

[EvertonFC]

It doesn't launch without the verification which needs internet ? I'll let that one sink in.
What you going to do take your console round a friend's house or neighbours house to verify it ? Also you'd have to do that with every update.
Like I said GT7 rightfully so gets the always online hate but let's not act all dumb thinking forza is any different.

[Orchard]

@EvertonFC I literally just threw the FM7 disk into a 2013 Xbox One VCR that has been offline for years. It took a system update (presumably from the disk), and played fine.

Also, I could play the singleplayer without internet. Something I can't do on my PS5 w/ GT7.

[philm87]

@Orchard. GT7 doesn't have egregious microtransactions. You would know this if you played it rather than listening to the bull online.

GT7 is perfect for me, has a massive nostalgia factor and helps me learn new stuff about cars. Not played Forza since the 360 so can't comment too much on that.

[lelo2play]

Overtake GT7? LOL.

Forza has been better then Gran Turismo for quite some time...

[CrimsonIdol]

I would've agreed with you back in the 360 era but something about the way they shove you all over the place with auto-tuned supercars against auto-tuned supercars from the get go, handing cars out like candy and de-emphasising tuning really took a lot of the fun out of it for me in the newer ones. I think GT was always onto a winner with the whole CarPG thing and Forza was silly to more-or-less abandon it in favour of a constant barrage of rewards and events.

The cynic in me feels like this is to build up some dopamine hits in regular flow to ease them into paid loot boxes and the like and the whole progression system was probably designed by someone who designs slot machines but what do I know.

[dumahim]

I think the campaigns in Forza got pretty bad too. 7 was a bit of an improvement over what 6 had, which I think was the worst, but 7 overall felt a bit stale for some reason.

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

Yeah...no. Besides the monetization GT has always been top class in terms of gameplay and class compared to Forza. GT's career mode was always in a class of its own from the mainline games that is. I love Forza mind you but it's always been a bit arcady compared to GT as well.

However now that I have has the chance to play every GT game, AC, ACC, Raceroom, Automobilista. It's kinda of hard for me to recommend Forza at this point. If your on PC that is.

[neutralgamer1992]

This is all subjective. What criteria are we using?

The only one that matters to publishers are sales and GT never been outsold by any Forza games. Metacritic doesn't matter if you don't believe me just look at what world war Z developers said about metacritic

These goal posts change a lot in arguments. Depending on the argument sales couldn't matter and metacritic only matters or vice versa

Just enjoy the games you want to play

[YodaCracker]

Depends on what you are arguing. Sales measure popularity and Metacritic measures quality.

[Lifexline]

Lol right I was going to say the same thing it’s been quite a while since any gran turismo has surpassed forza.

[babadivad]

Facts

[Tspite]

Back in GT5/GT6 days, yes Forza was dominate! However major changes and advances came with Sport. GT7 is an upgrade from Sport.

When it comes to circuit racing games/simulators, GT still remains the King.. Something that Gran Turismo does better than Forza is GT actually incentivizes you to race and improve your skill/lap time. It has a great esports structure, with events that happen monthly and World Tour Championships(that we saw in Sport and an actual Olympic's time trial). This will continue to happen even without the FIA's involvement.

Kaz has stated he wants sim racing and esport motorsports to grow, so I'm looking forward to what PD does with GT7. The game got some justifiable flack early on, but PD has added a lot of cars and a new track for free! Just like in Sport. No DLC, no need to pay more, it's just added into the game.

[SierraGuy]

Said no one ever.

[MichaelKnight83]

Facts

[Father__Merrin]

There's nothing about forza that's ever been better than GT apart from mabey damage modeling. In fact mainline Forza is going downhill compared to the Horizon spin off

[Om4ever]

Everything has always been better in Forza

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

To you.

[Pocahontas]

Physics are weak as hell

[MajorLazer]

The most important thing, the physics, are shite on Forza to say the least.

[SierraGuy]

When I play Forza it reminds me of f2p mobile app store racers...and not much better.

[darkrider]

It's not just a question of personality. It's a question of name. Gran Turismo is the racer most know worlwide, with biggest fan base. I won't even talk about numbers, because they are world apart. Microsoft by making year after year a forza game made it common. Righ now the horizon version is the best of the two. I think they should try and made a forza rally next. There is space and demand for a game like that

[RaidenBlack]

Forza Rally? That sounds interesting. Would prefer a casual one like Dirt over a hardcore one like Dirt Rally.
Dirt Rally is doing spectacular and doesn't need competition.
They can even change the bi-annual Forza release to tri-annual one.
Forza Moto -> Forza Horizon -> Forza Rally, then repeat.
Damn, this makes me want a Motorstorm revival even more.

[darkrider]

Exactly. I think it would be a great idea! Yeah, they could launch that way

[Hikoran]

Yes to the motorstorm bit!

[Obscure_Observer]

"I think they should try and made a forza rally next."

No need for another Forza. Microsoft already have Rallisport Challenge franchise which is awesome

[RaidenBlack]

Forza is a bigger name. A "Forza Rally" announcement will attract a lot more attention than digging up the old Rallisport IP, which incidentally was made by EA's DiCE. (There are only 2 Rallisport game and the last one came out in 2004).
Microsoft didn't even resurrect the beloved PGR IP for a new casual racer and instead went with a new Forza Horizon branding. That should explain a lot as well.

[porkChop]

That's not a name people will recognize though. That was way back when DICE didn't only make shooters. RalliSport has been gone since 2004. They could call it Forza RalliSport though to bridge the gap between the two franchises.

[wiz7191]

There hasn’t been a Motorsport game in two to three years …

[porkChop]

Almost 5 actually.

[MadLad]

Thanks for the laugh.

[TheGreatGazoo30]

Lol, motorsport overtook GT like 6 releases ago.

[Flawlessmic]

Ok so coming from some whos played both series but has always loved GT.

Ive put in just over 170 hrs into gt7, the physics, car handling, car sounds are all amazing.

The races with dynamic day/night/weather, pit stops and fuel management were absolute game changers, the thrill of getting your strategy very right or heartbreakingly wrong was amazing.

All round if people actually spent the time to play gt7 they would know how great it rather than moan about always online which i agree sucks but doesnt make the game rubbish and the mtx was way overblown, i still havent spent a penny further and have over 250 cars and countless legends cars.

The one knock i have on gt7 is a big one, these goddam rolling start, chase the rabbit races, where im starting 40-50 seconds behind because polyphony cant come up with a decent racing Ai

Moving onto what forza needs to, its need to be atleast on par with what i said gt7 does well, hopefully it will even be an improvement but even if not im not complaining as gt7 is soo good.

But yes we need proper longer races where you need to decide on your strategy on the fly between the weather, your tyres and your fuel.

But to be honest its the AI im really hoping they nail, i want standing starts with competent racing AI, if it gives me that then honestly all it needs to do is be on par with everything else gt7 does and it will be better in my eyes.

Hopefully its better all round but please just give me real races and proper racing AI and you will have me

[senorfartcushion]

It already does.

While GT has the classical music and imagery obsessed with the inner workings of a car, Forza has the clubby/poppy house tune boy racer vibe. It also has fun events and unique activities, like the Halo race from Forza Horizon 4.

I’m a GT7 player, but I wish I liked Forza. It would be an overall cheaper purchase due to it being on Game Pass and the fact that it doesn’t have as many MTXs as GT7.

[purple101]

Surely it would be cheaper to play by just buying one disk and not paying £15 per month. Or £180 per year. Unless you auve done the free trial trick and got loads of months stored up from conversion from Xbox live gold sub.

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

Yeah thats not gonna happen. Beside the issues with the daily races and the monetization GT7 is the beat damn GT in a long time and im loving it despite the mtx. Far from perfect but GT has always been in a class of its own compared to Forza in terms of Career mode, gameplay, replayability.

I do like the mainline Forza don't get me wrong but Forza has always been a bit more Arcady of the two. Even though GT has has its ups and down in terms of car physics but GT has always been the better of the two. However I do want to see Forza improve because GT and sim racing in general needs to stay competitive.

This is especially true if you play Forza on PC. Sim racers like AC, ACC, Automobilista, Raceroom, Iracing are miles ahead of Forza in terms of realism and gameplay. Also just a extra quick note if Sony decides to release GT on PC, Polyphony is going to have some SERIOUS competition.

[purple101]

Play nurenburg ring on Forza. Now at et even on GT sport ps4. The physics are clearly in GTS favour. Il not pretend Forza doesn't have amazing graphics and car damage which GT looses on. But it wins on everything else. Including close racing with equally matched skill of players, & most importantly fun, which surely is the point of a game.

The older GT games to me were a bit of a bore feat but since GT sport and gtu they have provided me with the closest battles and most fun of any racing game I've tried.

[aaronaton]

Personality....like minecraft skins and hotwheels/lego DLC. Such a kiddy cringe game, don't forget to select your gender and preferred pronouns when the game go live!
Gran Turismo is just pure class, the online only and MTX were deffo problematic, but it has little to zero impact on the experience which grows larger each month, non of this 'season' american crap.

[RaidenBlack]

The Article's talking about Forza's mainline Motorsport series not the casual Horizon spin-off series

[Deeeeznuuuts]

Can spot the people who have never played GT7 😅

[Flawlessmic]

100% easy to spot cause all they ever say is gt7 sucks cause always online and mtx lol

[plmkoh]

The answer is simple for those that play the games seriously, GT has no competition from Forza.

But the question keeps on being repeated every 3-4 years because people would rather use these games as weapons in a console war debate about nothing. And those that pretend they know what they're talking about keep using arbitrary measurements of which is better.

[Flawlessmic]

Yeppp for many on here its a vehicle to play console wars.

I feel like most people dont even play the games there commenting on they just pick up the talking points from reviews and roll with it

[EmperorDalek]

Forza has been better since last generation. I'm seriously dumbfounded that people are impressed with GT7, even if I ignore the microtransactions. Apart from the Dualsense features, it was disappointing on every level.

[Flawlessmic]

Care to eloborate?

Dual sense features arent even that great so id say your another person that hasnt played cause you would have more than just mtx and always online and then even if i ignored that it sucks but you can give no other reasons lol

[jwillj2k4]

Forza is more arcade, GT7 is more simulation. To each their own

[z2g]

Forza ms has been better than gran tiurismo for years now. I love gt7 but I’m confident the next Forza will continue that trend

[Good-Smurf]

I tried few FM games and I still think the last one they tried to top Gran Turismo was Forza 2 anything after are just increasingly watered down game with ever more emphasis on accessibility to a fault.
The best game according to fans was Forza 4 and I couldn't wrap my head around its physics when turned almost all assists off all cars felt very heavy unresponsive and love to spin at every corner even Lexus hybrid hatchback can spin out as easily as a Lexus LFA it also loves to throw cars at me then you have this unskippable cinematic at every race start it sucks having to wait 10 seconds on every restart.

[StarkR3ality]

Think we are past comparing Gran Turismo with Forza, maybe in the PS2 days, but Forza has been the Benchmark for Racing games the last decade or so.

[azizlksa0]

Forza in my opinion has to embrace the motorsport aspect before even deciding to compete with GT.

GT is way more authentic and true to motorsport, which is something forza severely lacks

[BrainSyphoned]

How much was the personality DLC pack? Elden Ring kept me from playing GT7 till it was buried in the dirt so I'm not sure how much I need to pay to enjoy the personality of the product I bought.

[Abear21]

Both systems have top tier driving games that are good enough you don’t feel you are missing anything by not playing the alternative. This is the point of competition—now if some dev not named EA could just make an American Football game…

[babadivad]

Haha

[Petebloodyonion]

Just add car damage that will be enough.

[CobraKai]

I personally think all the personality is in Forza Horizon. I think Simulation racing doesn’t have much room for “personality” as they have to take themselves a little more seriously.

[MegaLogic]

Wow! lmao

[LucidIllusion]

If you ever thought Forza trumps GT then you have a problem. Forza is for the easygoing, simple arcade racers and I think DC topped it post release. Too easy and simple which birthed boredom quickly. GT is car culture and high class racing simulation personified. There's no contest, just enjoy your game.

[Knushwood Butt]

I had a blast with DC even though it is 'arcadey'. Would love a sequel.

[philm87]

Doesn't really matter does it. People will buy which ever one they prefer. They'll both be good. Most people don't have both a Playstation and an Xbox so they'll get whichever one is on their console.
GT7 haptic feedback is awesome though.