Stop being so entitled -- game developers don't owe you anything

Some of the creators behind the new God of War and Monkey Island games are receiving abuse, and it's completely unacceptable.

[Silly gameAr]

Entitlement is a gaming thing I guess. People want day one games on PS Plus, or they're not buying. Gamers want console games on PC or they're not buying. Gamers want this and that or they're not buying. Why not make an article then?

Oh, is it because it's God of War, that people want to talk about entitlement, and how bad it is for gaming? Well, don't point out one example, and ignore the other examples. Makes you look like you have an agenda or something.

[Orchard]

It’s pretty simply really - no one en masse is abusing developers, sending female employees nudes, issuing death threats etc against developers for their game not being on PS+ or PC or whatever - so there’s no article on it 🤷

Wanting better value for your buck is fine. Abuse is not. The two are not even remotely comparable.

Even SSM and Cory have spoken out against it. Nothing to do with it being GoW, unless you’re saying they also have an ‘agenda’.

P.S. It’s not a good look to be defending these people and their behavior or trying to minimize, simplify or justify the level of abuse they’re putting out. These are real people reading and seeing all the garbage they’re sending.

[jznrpg]

Well you should add Xbox to your list because there are plenty of those occurrences with your fan base too .

[Orchard]

@jznrpg I didn’t have a list in my comment.

Also not sure how Xbox is “my” fan base when I game near exclusively on PS5 and PC 🤷 I must be a really bad fan.

Abuse is wrong regardless of where it takes place & which platform it is related to.

[Orchard]

@Hatchet I’m vocal about the platforms I play on, and don’t really care about those I don’t - aside from perhaps some parts of the grass being greener on the other side.

Constructive criticism is not hatred or dislike. It’s how we as gamers get things we want, and get a better deal from corporations.

95% of my gaming is done on PS5, with the rest on PC (RTS, FPS) and a very small amount (exclusives) on Switch.

It’s that simple 🤷

@Silly Perhaps but they aren’t in here calling it a conspiracy. Cory himself has admonished their behavior. It’s pretty easy to see what’s/who’s right and wrong in this situation.

[porkChop]

Everyone faces some sort of trolling or abuse online, it's nothing new. We see articles when it goes from a handful of idiots to a large group of people targeting a specific dev or studio. Like when God of War was delayed to 2022 and people started threatening to rape and murder Alanah Pearce just because she's a writer at SSM. And it's happening again with God of War, except this time it's shit like unwanted dick pics. It's not ok, and it should absolutely be called out.

No one is making this into a PS issue. It's the gaming community in general. The article even mentions Return to Monkey Island which is only releasing on PC and Switch. The fact that you're trying to deflect just because it's related to God of War is actually disgusting. Stop minimizing toxic behaviour.

[Gamer75]

"Oh, is it because it's God of War, that people want to talk about entitlement, and how bad it is for gaming?" well if you read the article you'd see that it's not just about one side

[StarkR3ality]

@silly

Dude the world we live in is full of entitled pricks, people wants things and they want it yesterday. No patience anymore.

And for someone who tries to spin people sending people nudes because their game isn't coming out into an agenda against God of war and Sony, but yet slates Xbox none stop for delaying their games is pretty rich.

Everytime you comment it makes me embarrassed to enjoy the same things as you do.

[outsider1624]

"Entitlement is a gaming thing I guess."

No it's not. It's just idiots on the internet nowadays that feel so entitled. People have a choice.
Game's delayed? Wait and do some other things or play other games in the meantime.
Too expensive? Wait for a price drop.
Game's not to your liking? Move on to other games.

[Yppupdam]

Agree 100%. You forgot, though, If a game fails, It's on the developers, not the customer that decided to not buy. If I decide that your game is not to my liking, You are not entitled to my money. if it happens en mass You failed, Dev team. Not the customer. The customer is not a "toxic istaphobe" if a game fails.

[pietro1212]

Not just gaming, the comic industry is like that too. People could easily move on to different books, games, etc, but instead they act like kids that don’t get their way. It’s pathetic

[ChasterMies]

Entitled readers of free articles about entitlement.

[Imalwaysright]

"People want day one games on PS Plus, or they're not buying. Gamers want console games on PC or they're not buying. Gamers want this and that or they're not buying."

So a person choosing how to spend his/her hard earned money is entitlement now?

[thesoftware730]

He mentioned Monkey Island as well.

Also, look what people did to Kojima for working with MS.

People that take the time to attack game devs are absurd and ridiculous. People need 5o find a second hobby if they take gaming this seriously.

[SDuck]

What's the harm in people (like me) wanting a console game on PC? Do you think I have nothing better to spend my money on a console as expensive as my pc cost me? Entitlement falls on many gamer topics. Wanting games to get ported to modern, more accessible platforms ain't one of them

[GamesAsAService]

lol.

[NotoriousWhiz]

I like how you call "mostly" everyone that disagrees with you an Xbox fan boy when this particular article isn't about PS vs Xbox but instead about the toxic gaming community which exists on all consoles and PC.

[Silly gameAr]

Well, lets be honest. Most of them are xbox fans, but all of them aren't, and they may be people that I might have actually offended. Sorry to those people, but what I said was the truth. Gamers want shit for free, or for a very small small fee.

I've made people so damn mad, that they've tried to hack me. When you get so mad at someone that they have to try to mess up your net, then things have gone overboard. Those are people that take this shit waaay to seriously.

[StarkR3ality]

@silly

No you've not offended anyone, you've just made yourself sound daft and you've shown complete disregard to any developer that's been given shit by fans by trying to brush it off as Xbox fanboys only doing it because it's Sony and Playstation.

You're deluded.

[-Foxtrot]

This is a hard debate

On one hand abuse and harassment is NEVER okay

On the other, there's SOME things and I said SOME where if you buy a game and it doesn't work then yeah they do owe you, like Cyberpunk or the shit show of Battlefield 2042...

[Orchard]

Agreed. Abuse is never ok - they owe us a fix / the product we believed we were getting when we purchased it.

No amount of online abuse would’ve fixed CP or BF either.

Hopefully most devs can just drown them out - there are plenty of legit fans of their work out there, especially GOW.

[MrBaskerville]

But nothing should ever result in employees recieving dick pics.

[porkChop]

If you buy a game and it doesn't work as advertised, yeah I'd say the devs owe you a finished and working product. That's fair.

[RauLeCreuset]

How is it a "hard debate" when the article was clearly talking about responses to games that haven't released?

That's nothing more than rhetorical slight of hand from someone whose response to toxic fan behavior often equates to a statement paying lip service to saying it shouldn't happen, immediately followed by a 'but' type statement to justify or downplay the behavior.

"On one hand abuse and harassment is NEVER okay"

That sounds nice (aside from the inevitable 'but' comment it's setting up) until you realize this isn't a disagreeable statement to many of the same people who do abuse and harass, because they have different ideas of what constitutes abuse and harassment. Many of them think their behavior falls short of abuse or harassment, or that it doesn't count if the developers did something to 'deserve it.'

[-Foxtrot]

Because people jump from one extreme to the other on these sort of things

People called gamers entitled when they were going on about Cyberpunk, Battlefield 2042, Battlefront II and so on, so you start playing the entitlement card now, telling people developers don't owe you anything and it means it silences everyone from everything.

My point is there's a clear line between harassment / abuse and getting what you are owed.

I'd go on but I think you're going too far into my comment because you want to be upset, probably one of the people who were telling gamers to shut up when they were "bitching" about Cyberpunks awful launch.

[RauLeCreuset]

"Because people jump from one extreme to the other on these sort of things "

Wait. Are you trying to pretend you represent some reasonable middle ground?

"People called gamers entitled when they were going on about Cyberpunk, Battlefield 2042, Battlefront II and so on, so you start playing the entitlement card now, telling people developers don't owe you anything and it means it silences everyone from everything."

That has nothing to do with what the article was calling out. I wonder if you even read it before you jumped to making a counterargument. But we can dig into how ridiculous that quote is.

Who is the "you" you're going on about? This is a specific article from a specific person, specifically about games that have not released. You're demonstrating the behavior you're trying to accuse others of. You're trying deflect from the actual criticism by lumping this article in with stuff someone somewhere said on the internet.

Also, weren't Cyberpunk purchases disabled on the PS store and MTs removed from Battlefront 2 over their respective backlashes? Those aren't good examples of people being silenced.

"My point is there's a clear line between harassment / abuse and getting what you are owed."

You said as a counterpoint to an article about two games that haven't released yet.

"I'd go on but I think you're going too far into my comment because you want to be upset, probably one of the people who were telling gamers to shut up when they were (complaining) about Cyberpunks awful launch."

Did YOU really just say that, Foxtrot. There's probably no point referring you to my own comment history on Cyberpunk when you're laughably lacking self awareness when it comes to your own comment history. Please never again have the audacity to accuse someone else of wanting to be upset.

[-Foxtrot]

Sure sure man, whatever you say...whatever you say

No need to be upset over a user on this site, channel your energy towards the article or something.

You've went from (being on topic)

"I'm trying to defend the point the author is trying to make in the article"

to

"I don't like your tone, you aren't agreeing with me, how dare you, I'm going to focus my attention on YOU the user not the article"

Have fun...I guess

[RauLeCreuset]

"No need to be upset over a user on this site, channel your energy towards the article or something."

Oh no! Foxtrot accused me of being upset. I guess I can't disagree with him or point out the flaws in his hypocritical argument now! You got me. The selective Vulcan act where you ignore your own well documented history of being in a perpetual state of upset to accuse me of getting upset is totally going to stop me from pointing out that it's actually your argument that is unrelated to the article.

Unlike your abuse of quotation marks to quote something you made up that I never said, let me use quotation properly to remind you what you actually said:

"I'd go on but I think you're going too far into my comment because you want to be upset, probably one of the people who were telling gamers to shut up when they were "bitching" about Cyberpunks awful launch."

With that reminder, was your fictional quote supposed to be representative of me or you?

[ChasterMies]

After a game, you may have something to criticize. Before a game is released, you are an asshole who is harassing someone.

[brewin]

Even then though, they don't really owe anyone anything. You had the free will to purchase or not. If it's a situation like with Cyberpunk where the product is not at all what was advertised, then we file lawsuits and hold them accountable. The harassment by the entitled people is despicable. We should speak with our dollars and not harass the people. That's going to send a bigger message.

[-Foxtrot]

So imagine you went out for food

You get the food and it's shit

You tell the waiter and the waiter turns around and says "Sorry about that but you had the free will to come in here, you had the free will to spend your money here, you had the free will to eat it"

I don't think you'd be happy so don't even go there...

[Lightning77]

If you spend a 60 or 70$ game and it broken or only half way delivered then yeah that's a problem. However in this particular case that's not the issue. Neither GoW or Monkey Island are out so we can't judge the games on those merits you mentioned. This is out about a design choice (Monkey Island) and A release date (GoW)

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

Complaining about video games is a first world problem. Playing AAA games is luxury. A minority, of overly vocal, obnoxious, entitled gamers need to understand that the devs don’t work for them.

[Knightofelemia]

All I want from Santa Monica is a great game that is addicting with a great story and a release date. But sending pictures of your dick or of a dick shows you're really that bored, immature, someone laughed at you because it's small and you want a second opinion, or you're some dumbass kid who just learned how to use Google for dick pics and learned how to copy and paste one. God of War will come out when it comes out if it gets pushed to get the bugs worked out yes I am a little disappointed but to stoop that low is asinine. It's Santa Monica they are a great studio but wow some people are just complete idiots this is why idiots shouldn't have access to the internet. Pretty soon it will come to the point where Santa Monica will stop answering fans because of all the dick pics.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Social media is turning some people into pretentious morons.

[MichaelKnight83]

Facts

[SinisterMister]

Agree with that to a certain extent. However, when we're paying $60 for a brand-new game that has been highly anticipated for years, we do expect a finished product and the developers DO owe us that since we're paying.

[RosweeSon]

Absolutely. If we have bought and paid for a game we are absolutely owed something… a finished product that works, not half assed broken and being finished as the months go by after launch. There are clear levels tho having an opinion and voicing In a Normal manner, fine. Threatening abusing sending unsolicited cocktail sausages pics just completely unnecessary and unacceptable.

[Petebloodyonion]

I agree but in this case, have you already paid for GOW?
If not the case what's the contractual obligation they have with you into providing information like dates and demos?

[SinisterMister]

Who said anything about that? I made more of a general comment.

[justsomeoffdude]

This. they seem to forget WE are the ones paying.. if WE don't buy they'll go under, plain and simple. So of course WE expect a product to be worth it when WE pay for it.

[ufo8mycat]

WRONG

People PAY for a product, they expect a level of quality in return.

Thank god for torrents, where I can download games where developers don't meet the quality level in their games based on what they are charging and I can pay for games, where the quality is met.

[MrBaskerville]

Or you could stop playing games that don't meet your expectations. If you want to play something, it should be worth your money. You aren't entitled to free games.

[Angyobangyo]

Expecting a quality product before reviews are out is just silly. All you have to do is not pre-order, wait for the reviews and make up your mind. But you devolve into the most childish way because you can't wait.

"thaNk gOd foR torReNTs". My guess is you never intended to buy the things you pirate.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

As foxtrot said I strongly agree with this never or abusive developers but people who buy your product it is technically their property so they are entitled to express no matter what but when a potentially good game gets rushed out the door or we got mislead product like cyberpunk 2077 and bf2042 we have to demand better quality and make the experience for everyone better.

[MrBaskerville]

A sober complaint is always fair. I don't think anyone really minds. The issue is that it's taken to extremes, there's a difference between complaining and harrassing.

[DrDoomer]

Sure, actual harassment and abuse are not okay, there are some legit morons out there posting heinous things. But those are a very small minority. We live in a time of the most bitchass generation in human history. Any negative feedback or criticism gets labeled as abuse and gamers as a whole get called entitled toxic bigots.

[RauLeCreuset]

Are you kidding? Generations prior were sensitive AF. They established laws to cancel out and protect them from the things they disliked, feared, or found offensive. That still happens to an extent today, but let's just there seems to be some overlap between today's book burning crowd and the people complaining others are too sensitive.

"Sure, actual harassment and abuse are not okay, there are some legit morons out there posting heinous things."

The "actual" in that sentence is putting in work. It goes to what I just got done calling out. It's the lip service statement followed by a 'but' statement. It's an empty statement that seems reasonable on the surface, until we dig deeper into what various people consider to be "actual" harassment and abuse.

"Any negative feedback or criticism gets labeled as abuse and gamers as a whole get called entitled toxic bigots."

I often see people play up this hyperbolic talking point (With all the criticism there is in gaming!), but I'm a gamer and never felt I was being lumped in when those types of people were called out.

[DrDoomer]

But you clearly felt lumped in when the most bitchass generation in human history was called out.

[RauLeCreuset]

I felt lumped in by "we live in a time." I doubt you know what a generation is. I can't say whether I'm supposed to be part of the target "generation" when your own understanding of what generation you were talking about amounts to nothing more than an excuse for you to cry and complain that other people alive at the same time as you are the complainers.

[OhReginald]

we should be at least entitled to FULL refunds.

[Nuvem]

Death threats and the like are unacceptable. But, a gamer who wants more bang for his hard earned cash is not entitled. A dev who wants his game to sell without having to make it good enough is entitled.

[Cackocacho]

There's a broad line between criticism, and harassment. Ya, harassment should not be tolerated whatsoever, and nobody is entitled to harass anyone else.

Some of these devs are just thin skinned people, who have no business exposing themselves to criticism they can't take, on "social media".

[H9]

To have a actual balanced situation where fans have the right to demand to get what the developer promised them to get, while the fans don't abuse that right by harassing the developers whenever they don't like something is IMPOSSIBLE!

Yes sometimes the developers do owe the fans, when I pay for a full product then I should get a full product, when you market the game in a way you owe me to give me what you promised, but this isn't the situation here, turning it into "DEVS VS GAMERS" is not productive, this should be everyone vs toxic little kids that are given too much power and freedom in the internet to do whatever they want, abuse is not allowed, full stop, no buts here, so what we should be fighting is abuse, not some fans demanding something and having an opinion, the case of Secrets of Monkey Island is similar, the dev have the right to make the game the way they want and the fans have the right to say they don't like it but you never gave the right to abuse anyone

[gold_drake]

harassment and threats are not ok, absolutely not.

however, if i buy a game and it doesnt work ... well, they do kind of own me. games are getting more expensive.

[TheEnigma313]

Lol who wrote this? It’s our money so we can demand what we want. If we don’t like something we will show you with our wallet.

[GoodGuy09]

Oof. Lemme grab my popcorn.

[Murdability]

We also don’t owe them anything. That’s a two way street

[CrimsonWing69]

This is a psychological issue and it’s not exclusive to gaming. Movies get hit with this, TV shows, sports… really anything that creates a fandom.

The problem is the internet and anonymity. For the most part it’s a vocal MINORITY.

Now, I’m going to say something super controversial here, but part of the blame goes to the developers/publishers. Maybe don’t dangle the carrot in front of peoples’ faces for years. Y’know, instead make the announcement a year or two before the game’s release and you’ll get less people upset about seeing nothing of the game for several years.

I always see this, “Gamers are self-entitled,” and I feel like that’s insulting. There’s crazy people in the world and when they can get away with spewing diarrhea of the mouth all over social media without getting caught, they do it with the dial cranked up to 11.

On the other side, you can’t downplay disappointment. That’s a very human emotion and yes, I’m disappointed there’s barely anything on this game and when everyone says a State of Play might be happening and doesn’t, it’s a bummer. Not a “let me harass and send death threats” kind of bummer, but it’s still a bummer.

Maybe these social media apps or forums need to make it where you can’t post anonymously and actually enforce legal ramifications for abusive posts, but let’s also cut it out with announcing games super early with no follow-up for years. Basically, that’s the equivalent of throwing chum in the waters and wondering why the sharks are freaking hungry.

[Snakeeater25]

And we don’t owe them shit so if they are dumb or making shitty games it’s on them if we don’t buy it. What a crappy news the writer should really change job

[sourOG]

Stop lumping all of us in with a few dorks just so you can make an article and cry like an entitled dork.

[anast]

Don't confuse entitlement with abuse. They are different, especially where journos, publishers and gamers are concerned. At any rate, no one is entitled to abuse, full stop.

While not every individual has directly contributed to this, abuse from both sides has been fostered by championing entertainment over morality, and the decent ones that do nothing also get some of it. A couple of guys that went by Plato/Socrates said something similar to beating a horse does not make it run faster. In the context of what is right and what is wrong, abuse and/or allowing abuse does not make society better. But here we are, we have pathology and the ones looking the other way so they can make money, and we have people that intentionally make money off of pathology.

[BrainSyphoned]

"My dog stepped on a bee" ---every game dev and journo ever.

[GamingSinceForever]

If Cory Barlog received titty pics asking for a release date I wonder if he would call that harassment too. 🤔

I gave up social media a long time ago.

[Rynxie]

When it's cost us $70, then yes, they owe us an experience. They need to be transparent with what they are going to include and exclude. Leave their leftist politics out of it and so on.

[Angyobangyo]

You decide to spend $70 without knowing the details. Wait for the release, look at the reviews, don't pre-order...and then decide it is worth $70. Funny how you think it's leftist politics when it's just common sense.

[Petebloodyonion]

There are several angles or topics about entitlement.
1) Abuse is never okay no matter the form it takes but one should be reminded that this kind of abuse does not come from the masses but from some few nutcases.

2) 100% true that a game developer or a publisher doesn't owe you anything just like the customers don't own the publisher and game developer. (I mean when you have yet to buy the product like in this case with GOW)

3) Game developers should look themselves in the mirror for why PPL are more and more intolerant about a release date for they are the ones who basically made it the norm to announce dates that are always pushed back to the point that it's now a meme in certain game trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Mazgamer]

"A couple of bad actors in the community did the bad thing, time to demonize the entire male "gamer" demographic! Epic journalist style!"

Seriously, this is just getting tiring.

[FortWaba]

Amen

[Godmars290]

Aside from what's "promised" in the promotion of their games, which in turn often doesn't live up to said promotion.

[john of the dead]

I blame Kotaku for how the industry turned out. Before it was trendy to bash a game on social media they were doing it in article form. And i think you can trace it all back to the horse armor in Oblivion article

[MadLad]

Sniveling children; the lot of them.

You know it's the petty little fanboys too.
If they don't get God of War this year their whole "the competition has no games in 2022" narrative goes out the window. Elden Ring already outshadowed everything released around it. It also slates GoW in 2023, where there's a lot more competition throughout the year.

[gangsta_red]

This isn't about being entitled, this is just absolute disgusting behavior from people with anonymity on the internet and it's been happening since the beginning of being online. Toxic behavior shouldn't be confused with entitlement.

As consumers we are owed something for our money. This notion that we have to sit back, shut up and swallow anything these companies or devs feed us is ridiculous. We have a right to complain or critize as long as it's valid or done in an informative fashion.

I feel the word entitlement is being used only when a side is losing a specific debate. We then just apply "entitlement" and then say that no one owes us anything and that should just be the end of it but wouldn't make it true.

[sourOG]

I agree. People run with buzzwords and just ruin any meaningfulness of said words. Same with “toxic” and many others.

Some people are just assholes and lecturing this website is asinine. I’m not on Twitter yelling at devs (or praising them for that matter). I share my opinions good or bad here with y’all. Probably like the majority of this site. Just because the media and devs focus on these assholes doesn’t mean we need a lecture. Go cry to the assholes doing this shit, I bet they will care about this article even less than I do.

If you are game publisher/developer on Twitter then know you are in a cesspool. People are paid to run these accounts for a reason. Thick skinned people. Don’t moan about dickpics on Twitter lmao. You are only inviting thousands more.

[Einhander1971]

Exactly get a life and wait patiently like a grown up.

[mastershredder]

Yes gamers are entitled. moving on.

Criticism is unacceptable? mkay. sorry but as much as it may suck, gamers are entitled to criticize even if it is negative.

Mentioned developers need to grow a pair and respond in kind.

[babadivad]

They literally do owe us entertainment if they want our money. If they don't give us the entertainment we want, they don't get the money we have.

If anyone is acting "entitled" in this scenario it's the developers. They aren't "owed" our money if they don't develop a game we want to play.

[sourOG]

Get that basic economics shit out of here. /sarcasm /joke

[moriarty1889]

Some people are never happy. Others are content. Cant expect everyone to be the same.

[Yppupdam]

Developers have a right not to be harassed, If you don't like the way a games development going, simply don't buy the game. I would also suggest, if you still want to play the game regardless, just wait till you can get a used copy or wait for a GOTY edition for 20.00. If the dev does not like to hear any negative feedback, even non harassing negative feedback, then don't reward the developer and publisher with a sale. after all, they are not "ENTITLED" to your money.

[HeliosHex]

People take trolls way too serious.

[sourOG]

Truth. We are in postmodernism full force where if you cry loud and hard enough you get what you want.

Multi-billion dollar corporations and governments folding like a wet napkins over these lame goofballs lol. And we sit here wondering “why are people so toxic?” Because you give them everything they want? Maybe? Because they coddle these losers’ modern sensibilities with motherly tenacity maybe? And you know who started it? The media.

[RetroCaptainSteve]

This times a billion.

[z2g]

Exactly

[lio_convoy]

Couldn't agree more with the title. Either like it or don't like it when it gets released and either praise it or criticize it after you play it. That being said, gaming companies can also put on their big boy pants and simply avoid social media until after their game is released. And if they're really making a turd, well, that's on them.

[HyperMoused]

Sending people abuse should be dealt with by the authorities it is never ok, What should be expected though is a working game and servers for MP and online games, that is the product working as intended, no other product can do that, if you bought a TV and it didnt work every now and then, or if too many people were watching the same thing it dropped out, you would take it back. Anyway going back to abuse for something like art style in a game, if you do that there is seriously something wrong with you.

[Tetsujin]

Ignore and move on. If the behavior continues, block/delete. Someone keeps harassing you? Report them.

As far as entitlement, cut the trolling, and people want what they paid for - a good, working, experience.

[gintoki777]

People who get aggresive and violent against the makers of their choice of entertainment might need to go see a therapist.

[yeahokwhatever]

entitled? LOL its a publisher/developer's LITERAL JOB to give the consumer what they want. We're not supporting these people's hobbies, they're supporting ours. Otherwise, why are they being paid by us?

[chicken_in_the_corn]

Disgusting what's happening to SSM. They give a release window and get nothing but pressure to delay the game, they don't give a window and they're harassed into giving one just to be pressured into delaying it again. They can't win.

[esherwood]

Maybe so but just noticed xbox store has a lgbqt section of games. They don’t owe me anything but if I keep getting that crap pushed down my throat I’m switching to PlayStation. 5% of the population and everyone has to jump through hoops, man they’re a pain in the a**

[antikbaka]

Oh those gamers, if only they didn't exist

[Aussiesummer]

Oh but they do. If they want my money they owe me a good product.