Why Sony is Not in Trouble

Gamerlimit: "So lately for some unheard of reason the internet has been bashing Sony's name, claiming that the Playstation 3 is dying, and that Sony has ruined the console. Sound familiar to any one? Wasn't this the same thing we heard for the first 6 months after launch? In my opinion these claims are completely unfounded. There is nothing at all that shows any sign of Playstation 3 growth stoppage and here's why."

[WANNA GET HIGH]

Lol.We finaly get a postive sony article but look at how long its taken for it to get approved.(-_-)

[Ziriux]

Yea I wish the rest of the people actually read the article to understand that, but they just jump to a flame without even reading.

[jwatt]

I was freaking clapping when I read this artical because it's so true. The 360 does a price cut now all of a sudden the ps3 is doomed?

[LoVeRSaMa]

I am Generally is Sonys favor, but due to todays home updates and the brawls on the EU forums, I am in an ANTI - Sony mood.

So "meh" is all that I am putting untill I cheer up tomorrow.

[Danja]

I can't wait till next year comes and the PS3 gets it's price cut ans sales skyrocket pass the 360 monthly sales....I wanna see what the media will be writing up about the 360....most likely they're will be a double standard when it comes to M$ and the American media..

[RebornSpy]

Why would the "American" media be biased against Sony but not Nintendo? I swear. And if they're biased, I'm sure there's a reason.

[hay]

@Reborn Spy: Ever heard about myth that americans think all that's best is american?

[prowiew]

Good news to sony. But you know what. Is not that people are saying that the ps3 is doom. Is just that it has not live to the expectations, at least in sales in USA and even Japan. The reality is that the 360 was supposed to be the underdog like last generation. And this time is doing equal or better than ps3. Does this means that ps3 is doom? No. Nobody can deny the facts. Also it doesnt help the prices sony products have, the worst marketing in a sony gaming machine, the boring that home it is right now, and the layoffs they are reporting. They all add to the equation.

[prunchess]

Well I finally picked up a used 20 gig 360 the other day . It cost me 150 Euro with 3 games (Gears 2, COD MW and COD WAW) If I had not bought this machine for such a cheap price with the games included I’d be pretty p!ssed off. Have 360 owners set their benchmark so low that they insist that this machine trumps the PS3!?

It's an extremely noisy machine. My wife was that surprised by the noise it made she suggested I turn the volume up on the surround system. (Normally she's moaning about it being too loud!)

The power and TV leads are thick and awkward. As for that great big rectangle block on the power lead, WTF! What part of the late 80s early 90s did MS dig that up from! I have more than enough leads in my living room and now I have to hide this monstrosity! What’s wrong with a simple lead into the 360? Not simple enough?

The NXE is nothing special. I like the way the avatars nod off when a friend isn't online and the menus are smooth and snazzy but c'mon, after reading the posts of some of the 360 posters here on N4G I expected much more.

Finally, Gears 2. I was actually looking forward to getting stuck into this game., but it's a repetitive bore (so far). It looks nice, but what about the game play? As for the characters, cheeeeeeesey! It's like they EPIC hired a WWF wrestler and got him to develop and write the script for the characters.

As much as I’m disappointed with it so far, I’m determined to complete it so I may change in my final opinion on it. I already have COD MW and COD WAW on the PS3 though I haven't had a chance to compare them yet with the 360 copies, hopefully over the weekend I'll get a chance.

After now being a 360 owner for the last few days I can see why so many 360 fanboys attack the PS3, they could have bought one but bought a 360 instead (American and Brits mainly) and will have to live (and defend) with their embarrassment.

[Nineball2112]

I thought this was rather amusing from the article:

"Home may not be what everyone expected but it sure does something different than just giving us avatars that stand in feminine positions and sit in snow globes."

Sony is NOT in trouble, they HAVEN'T been in trouble, and by all means the future is looking very bright indeed.

[SWORDF1SH]

AMEN to that brother.
also id like to add that american media is biased against sony. uk media are to because we jus have to be like america all the time. i think its a mixture of the xbox being a amerivan product and the mentality of liking to see the underdog win/destroyin the top guy. im not sayin its a major bias, but its there. and ms dollars are tippin the bias more into there favour.
also the attitude between the sony and ms absolutly sucks and it filters down to the fanboys, which may i add, is the most horrible and worst to date.

[nycredude]

The American media is not biased against Nintendo because they can't! Even though the Wii is trumping the competition, uh, uh. What are they going to say? The Wii is selling like freaking hotcakes. I simply don't understand the sales, kind of like I didn't understand the elmo craze a while ago.

[RebornSpy]

but it gets more positive press than either of the other systems. It is true that many Americans think for some reason that American-made things are the best, but that is just a dated stereotype. I personally think that more and more of us are accepting the fact that America is not always number 1 product-wise. And like I've said so many times, there is no bias. Maybe a lot of people just don't like the PS3.

And Prunchess, I'm a lot like you except opposite. I paid 500 USD for a PS3, MGS4, and a DualShock Controller(I honestly can't see how anyone played comfortably with a Sixaxis). The PS3 menu is exactly like that of my PS3, so I knew how to navigate it, but honestly it's kind of boring. I played MGS4 and Resistance 2, supposedly two of the best on the system. They are great games, but I really don't see a huge graphical difference like everyone talks about. I'm hoping that my experience improves, because 500 dollars is starting to seem like a bad deal.

[Pennywise]

Prunchess, so damn true. These guys that believe the 360 is the second coming are so convicted to their opinion they start to make me feel like I am being bias. I own a PS3 and have played the 360 plenty. The PS3 feels like it is a good machine, while the 360 feels like a piece of cheap plastic.

I want to know the song they will be singing when the PSN gives us private chat with our friends. How can anyone with any tech knowledge back the 360? I love nice things and the 360 is in no way "nice".

LOL @ REBORN- The menu is BORING??? Name me one "FUN" menu please. I want to the point and fast- XMB provides that. next.

[UltimateIdiot911]

Same here, I own a PS3 but I have plenty of friends who own a 360 and those who a Wii. So, I've played on all 3 consoles. To me, I purchase the PS3 for the games I like mainly for MGS4, VC, WKC, FF Vs.FXII and FFXIII (before it went multi, bluray (say what you like but I love it and own mainly tier 0 quality movies), reliability (this is a must, I don't have the time to ship my console back and forth and hope I'm there for it), cheap long term investment (XBL is great but I can't keep paying for a wireless adapter because i need wireless, XBL, bigger harddrive, and etc, and mainly because I have a PSP.

Now, for some of my friends like my roommate, depending on their gaming preferences, I recommended a 360 mainly because they are shooter fan, and sport fanatics. Some of my friends, I recommend them a Wii because they are just casual gamers and some a PS3 who look for long term and reliability while being a hardcore.

So, I don't understand why there is all these media hate on Sony. Many of the Sony products I've use are reliable and works very well. It's like the media doesn't want to see a company like Sony to be better than an American company. For nintendo, all the do is game and nothing else.

[jadenkorri]

so, um when has America been # 1 in something, all their products suck, their not the best country in the world, they have one of the worst health care systems, even Cuba has better health care.... They only believe that their number 1...

[ou8asemi2]

America had the number 1 economy in the world for a long long time. Ever thought about this, how come when the United States economy goes bad, the world follows. Yes I live in the United States and no I do not think everything is the best here, but that is pretty ignorant and a stupid comment to make.

[Tawnokoi]

Uh, what? This is N4G, the PS3-fanboy capital of the Internet. Look at the front page, about 80% or more of the articles are either vehemently pro-Sony, anti-Microsoft, or both.

Look at the front page before you blindly press Disagree.

[lance]

@tawnokoi
yup this site is crawling with sony d1ck riders. you can notice them when they have excessive amount of bubbles yet they post fanatical extremist low quality BS.

[Nathan Drake]

It was the same thing we heard,but let them post their articles and corporate funded 'opinions',it helps us properly identify the fanboy publications from the real publications

[pswi60]

it's because of the Sony Attack Force:

http://farm4.static.flickr....

[midgetsanx]

Where did you find that?! xD

Its pretty cool.

[hay]

lol, that's hilarious :D

[VampHuntD]

But that's not to say it isn't true. Sony isn't in trouble regardless of what anyone says. If they were in trouble, you would have seen a price drop or some other change. The fact is, the PS3 is selling. Yes the 360 has sold more, there are several reasons for that. Here are a few:

A: It's now cheaper than the Wii. The sad thing is that it really isn't. If you pay the Core Console, you're more than likely going to need the hard drive, which means you're still gonna spend more than a Wii.

B: Microsoft Marketing is awesome. They have been able to spin the RROD, are buying exclusives left and right (Not that I think that's a bad thing, but in the end it ruins the gaming market) and manage to cover up or ignore any issue that may effect the domination of xbox fanboys. I mean seriously, how did the RROD not get more publiciuty when MS admitted that the console wasn't ready and they knew about the flaw. That's reason for a class action law suit alone.

C: No one else has called them out. Nintendo doesn't need to because they are destroying everyone with the wii. Sony PR sucks and has failed to really attack the 360's flaws in a manner similar to the way 360 has poked fun at Sony issues (The PS3 has issues, no doubt, HOME being delayed was not one of them, it's better to wait than to drop a broken product).

End result, the problem with Sony is PR. If they had started it off right and combated the "OMG" reactiont o the $600 price tag, the PS3 could have had a better start. They still refuse to toot their own horn and really tell consumers WHY they MUST have a PS3. Wii has done it, MS has done it, Sony must now show everyone why the PS3 is either the choice they should make, or the next edition to their console library.

[Ziriux]

Funny guys, read the article, before you flame or report. This is what sites do, critiquing a certain system or praising it. This community is full of flamers and immature kids. Thanks.

[IzKyD1331]

I love how theres like a million 'PS3 is failing' articles getting approved, but this is getting reported as lame

[Ziriux]

Yea, once again mate, it just falls into how people don't read stuff and hit report buttons.

[SONYSLAVE]

it is lame alot of people are getting tired of hearing about SONY on here all the time

[Danja]

remember this site is run by Sony Fanboys as they say right..?

well just goes to show that this site isn't as pro Sony as ppl would like to think.

[WANNA GET HIGH]

I agree.Every one should just enjoy there game/console of choice.. :)

[TrevorPhillips]

Man i seriously had enough with this fanboy crap seriously cant everyone just enjoy all consoles i mean i do, i spend my day playing my 360, ps3 and wii with my family why can everyone else just do the same

[lance]

cause nathan wont have a place in the internet for him to vent his insecureness

[celldomceen1]

Thats a good question, i like to think the maturity level is very low. I always wondered if all these people do is complain about the opposite system when the hell are they playing any games.

[tplarkin7]

If you invest in a console, you want it to succeed. You also want a particular type of game which your favorite console usually makes.

Sony failed to make enough games that appeal to Americans with the PS2 and left an opening for Microsoft.

No comment on the Wii.

[ReBurn]

The PS3 will be just fine.

[Ziriux]

Yup I agree, we all know that technically it's the best. The key word I say is "tech"nically.

[candystop]

If sony's share prices continue to drop then either a. the price of the PS3 won't be dropping anytime soon or b. they will rid it of existence. Game wise they look fine but future wise they appear to be in trouble if things keep going the way they are. Maybe a wii type PS4 is a good idea next gen for them.

[Danja]

why dont you let Sony worry about there stocks ..dude...do you have shares in them or something...??

PS3 aint going no-where deal with it....now go worry about M$ making the next xbox Wii like..cuz if they do they do that they will obviously be the laughing stock of the media next time around.

@below

Obviously the casuals wont fall for it....the 360 is already cheaper than a Wii , yet it barely can keep up...

Sony has a balance when it comes to Hardcore/Casual games , So does Nintendo ..."im talking about 1st party games"

so if M$ go the causal route with there next systems they will alienate they're current fanbase plus Halo Kart , Fable Tennis wont sell sysems

[Ziriux]

Or Danja they might sell millions of copies of the system but not produce quality games hehe.

[lance]

@danja
so why are u here in the forums arguing with people about sony? do you have shares in sony? no? stop being a hypocrite

[Ziriux]

Noo they must never degrade them selves down to the Wii.

[Death]

If this was Sony first console, then it has done extremely well given it's relatively high price point and late launch. The system sells as well as the Xbox 360 Worldwide and has shown year over year growth. Backed by Blu-Ray the system is also a dual purpose machine allowing owners to watch high definition movies on their TV's. Having the additional storage capacity also allows the system to remain competitive in the coming years. The game library is also coming along very well with some must have exclusives you won't find anywhere else.

Unfortunately this is not Sony's first console. While everything I mentioned above is very true, the system is still in last place in Worldwide sales for over two years. There are no current market trends that show this changing any time soon. Every day that goes by Sony is losing more and more market share. It is possible that the Wii is catering to a completely different audience, but it is also possible that every Wii sale is one less Xbox 360 or PS3 sale down the road. This remains an unknown since the PS3 is still far away from mass market pricing and the Xbox 360 is just touching it.

Sony has dominated both console generations they participated in over the last decade. Holding over 70% of the console market with the Playstation one and PS2. These are the consoles that Sony compares themselves to and what stock holders look at when they judge the PS3's performance in the market place. Selling far less than their previous outing and trailing in last place against 2 competitors that each held about 12% of the market last gen does not look good for Sony. This is why people are so critical of them, They are not living up to peoples expectations. Everyone expected Sony to dominate with the PS3. As it sits they are very competitive in todays market, but not nearly what people thought including Sony.

-Death

[RebornSpy]

I don't think your facts and logic will be appreciated on this site, though. Here's some bubbles for your time.

[yoghurt]

The claims that Sony is failing, not dominating this generation etc etc are all flawed.

You simply cannot call that yet, it hasn't even been out 2 years in europe yet already its failed? You cannot expect Sony to sell 20 million in 18 months at its launch price (reduction now). After a price drop I expect sales to take off, in a years time it will be in its 3rd year, we would have had some awsome games from 09, the third generation of games will be revealed and I personally think we'll be telling a different story.

I suppose Msft and the fanboys etc just want to get all the boasting in whilst they are ahead - as they know it wont last much longer.

[user3915800]

what its positive its that sony its laying out 16.000 out in the street and another 8.000 just waiting to get their blu gay ass out in the streets and to them I said happy birthday and a happy merry christmas, you deserve to get it right up on your blu gay hole.

[gamfreak]

the negative articles on n4g were make up by poor BOTS trying to bash SONY as hard as they(BOTS) can but it fail, SONY is doing fine and PS3 is not dying. Please, i beg the BOTS to try even harder next time.
Because you(BOTS) are pathetic.... Lol.

[OSIRUSSS]

"As it sits they are very competitive in todays market, but not nearly what people thought including Sony. "

It's funny that you think you know what Sony thinks. You know 2 things about Sony. Jack and SH!t

[RebornSpy]

Sony probably thought the console, the third in their largely successful PlayStation franchise, would sell very well despite the high price and dismal starting software lineup because of blu-ray and free online play.

It didn't quite work out that way. But for all I know, Sony could have expected things to work out how they did. Though I think they'd have done a few things differently if they foresaw the system's present state.

[Death]

You can also know that sales are lower than expected when Sony doesn't hit their forcasted sales goals and have to revise them due to lower sales. Ken getting fired and Phil leaving are also signs the system isn't selling as well as they would like. I suppose you couls be correct and Sony could be happy selling the least amount of consoles this gen, but I have a hunch they would like to be much higher.

-Death

[timmyrulz]

I love how ignorant Sony power rangers are, no the ps3 is not dying but this is how it works in the real world.

At the beginning of every year a company sets up a budget(how much money they can spend) which is set by what the company predicts they will make in revenue for that fiscal year.

When the company doesnt make that money for that year, the budget is basically worthless and they will have spent more than they would have budgeted for so they have to make cut backs (hence 8000 jobs going, poor marketing)

Bacause they havent made enough money, share prices go down and the next years budget will be reduced therefore less money will be spent.

The ps3 despite what people like to think loses money on each console sold, therefore they cant afford to drop the prices.

Sony spent every single penny they earned from the ps1/ps2 days on blu ray plus they borrowed money aswell which needs to be paid back

Conclusion - Sony Owes money, have less money to spend on Marketing, the budget for their games devision will be reduced, shares are down, the ps3 is not selling as they had hoped, the economy is fcuked,jobs are been lost left right and centre, the first party games arent selling as well as they would like.

The ps3 is a massive massive mistake, dont get me wrong its a beast of a machine with cutting edge technology, but its not the golden pot at the end of the rainbow that you would like to believe

[Mc187]

A fanboy who names himself after an animated retarded person in a wheelchair.
Please let's all listen to what YOU have to say

[Ziriux]

Timy post smart or just don't post, I will report you for stupidity.

[timmyrulz]

Ok then rockafella what did i type that wasnt correct? you think what you like mate, you live in denial. I work in accounts and i know how these things work its my job.

So stfu, you report me for stupidity? i will report you for been a c0ck

[Ziriux]

Your poor accounting skills have nothing to do with this article ya cuck. lol j/k.

[Ziriux]

@ Danja, this site is a bit on the PS3 side, from observing if someone posts an article bashing the ps3 twice the amount of people will respond to that rather than when someone bashes the 360, twice less will post than what PS fans post on the ps3 bashing article. It's the internet world for you.

[JOEdANGEL]

Seeing as the public doesn't have access to sony's financial records, I don't think we can accurately know if they're in trouble or not.

[pshizle]

was suppose to crush the 360 in sales when it first came out!!!

have times changed

[majorsuave]

It was also due to be amazingly superior in graphics, something that we are still waiting for 2 years later. I mean, the only game with truly amazing graphics is MGS4, and it's an exclusive so we can't even compare. All the shared games look more or less the same.

I feel let down by Sony, will the ps3 ever live up to the hype?

I know 5 people who own a PS3, 2 of which bought a single game each and use the console mainly to watch BD movies. Yep they both bought it when it was the BD player with the lowest price tag.

[PBone]

PS3 units sold 17.88 million world wide.

The other console 24.86 million world wide.

Lets round them up. 17.88 million becomes 18 million, while 24.86 million becomes 25 million. The other console came out on or around Nov. 22 2005, while the PS3 came out approx. 1 year later. So, you take 18 million and divide that by 24 (2 years) and you get an average of 750,00 per month units sold for PS3.

Take 25 million and divide that by 36 (3 years) and you get 694,000 units sold per month, on average.

PS3 sold 5,635,461 in its first year, a 52 week period. While sharing the market with at least 2 other consoles.

The other console sold 5,553,335 units in its first year, with virtually no competition (This generation gaming)

The gap right now, versus the gap when the PS3 launched: 6.9 million versus 5.6 million. The gap isnt growing extremely like some anylists are saying. It is just barely growing. With months like November of this year, that is where you get your difference.

On averarge, the PS3 is a strong selling system, and on par with the other major system. If you add in the sales of the ps2 and psp, they are doing much better than the other guy. I am not worried one bit about the other guys getting all the dlc, or the ps3 being a sinking ship. You shouldnt either.

[Ziriux]

The Wii get's attack and humiliated by sites and video game shows on their lack of titles so the poor Wii get's it the worst, but still manages to sell millions in a quarter.

[n to the b]

agrees and bubbles for 2 good, logical posts. thank u for using your brain unlike some on n4g...

[lost2]

"Home may not be what everyone expected but it sure does something different than just giving us avatars that stand in feminine positions and sit in snow globes."

LOL

anyway everybody knows that GOD plays PS3
ohh the almighty PS3 FTW

[Citizen Cook]

Except it!

Your console is floping quicker than your limp di(ks!

I love how ignorant droids are, no the ps3 is not dying but this is how it works in the real world.

At the beginning of every year a company sets up a budget(how much money they can spend) which is set by what the company predicts they will make in revenue for that fiscal year.

When the company doesnt make that money for that year, the budget is basically worthless and they will have spent more than they would have budgeted for so they have to make cut backs (hence 8000 jobs going, poor marketing)

Bacause they havent made enough money, share prices go down and the next years budget will be reduced therefore less money will be spent.

The ps3 despite what people like to think loses money on each console sold, therefore they cant afford to drop the prices.

Sony spent every single penny they earned from the ps1/ps2 days on blu ray plus they borrowed money aswell which needs to be paid back

Conclusion - Sony Owes money, have less money to spend on Marketing, the budget for their games devision will be reduced, shares are down, the ps3 is not selling as they had hoped, the economy is fcuked,jobs are been lost left right and centre, the first party games arent selling as well as they would like.

The ps3 is a massive massive mistake, dont get me wrong its a beast of a machine with cutting edge technology, but its not the golden pot at the end of the rainbow that you would like to believe

Goodbye.

See you all on Xbox LIVE next year once Sony close down.

[n to the b]

nope, not EVERY comment guess I was wrong! lol

[cornroves]

I think the reason some people may feel that u were cheated when it comes to the price with the ps3, might be because u are not utilizing everything that it has, such as blu rays, or the music component which i realize the 360 can also play music. Both my roomates have 360s theres nothing wrong with it at all. Except for yes it is loud To me its a preference of kind of games you like such as RPGs or FPS which i think PS3 needs the RPG but when i was buy the PS3 u have to think of what u see in the future for it and what the last sony product did for u in the past. As far as both systems i have yet to play a game that blew me away as games have in the past.

[McDaygo]

I can't choose favorites. They all have good points and bad points. Do people really want one console? REALLY? Sony is good to go . The 360 is good to go. Not too sure about the Wii. I hear its not selling at all.

[FFXI101]

We already know Sony and PS3 are not in trouble. Only those idiots and Sony haters keep telling themselves that and wish it'd happen.

[LittleBigSackBoy]

PS3 FTW!!!!

[bestbacon]

whew this article only came a week too late.

[Jeppe]

but MS may be that in a couple of years..

- Slow adaption of Vista..
- Linux and open source software is gaining momentum every day. Certainly in times like this when every penny counts.
- The new generation of developers graduating are much more familiar with alternative tools (read line above).
- Open standards are becoming more required in procurements.
- SQL-Server are trying to adopt spatial functionality. Years behind oracle, postgresql and even mysql.
- Their development tools are extremely expensive. Why should developers pay so much when they're kind of promoting their operating system?