The Switch shouldn’t have to beg

Persona leaving Nintendo high and dry begs the question, even with all the Switch's success why does it still need to prove itself when it comes to third parties?

[Orchard]

The HW sales alone should mean it doesn’t need to port beg - it’s massively outperforming the XSX and PS5.

[OtakuDeNoche]

As much as this statement is true, we all know that the XOneX/S & PS5 are the new shiny consoles at the moment and well to try entice people who haven't purchased them, this may entice them to do so. I'm sure Microsoft made a decent "donation" to makes those games available on their hardware. At the same time... It is also a dumb move that these games weren't already announced or on the switch, prior to the announcement. At the end of the day, it is all just business moves made by involved companies. Let's be clear, yes those games would sell on Switch, but those probably aren't the numbers they are looking for vs the potential numbers if they released on the other two big platforms.

[luckytrouble]

Mistake number one was thinking the lords of arbitrary exclusivity would take platform sales into account when deciding platforms. Atlus just does what they do, and Nintendo has been on the positive receiving end of that many times throughout the years. This is just a case where they looked at the Switch and apparently said nah.

[SurgicalMenace]

They're getting what they deserve for not moving with the times. It's primarily a legacy system due Nintendo's refusal to push beyond their own laziness. Who cares about sales when your hardware is so far behind the competition. Toyota outsells Ferrari by a very large margin as well but that means nothing to those driving Ferraris.

[Neonridr]

right because the Switch is incapable of running Persona..

[onisama]

I think thats unfair like i don't have a switch but its very wrong to compare switch to ps and xbox... Nintendo is aiming for a younger andience and for portability and the hardware is great for that with the first party support for games that fit with its portability focus...i don't think they care much about persona coming to their system and remomber they got shin megami tensei v... Im not defending the system and or im a big fan of them but i do love pokemon and smash fire emblem....
Comparing nintendo to toyota is harsh too as ferrari is a luxury sport car that sell few but very expensive compared to budget Toyota when nintendo hardware is expensive and the most selling games are from there studio and rarely do sale...

[SurgicalMenace]

Unfair? Toyota has been one of the most reliable vehicles for over 2 decades, until Jaguar managed to challenge their position in 2019. The Switch is a reliable system but it's performance can't ever hope to keep up with PS or XB.

4k, VRR, RTX, FSR, Ray Tracing, ALLM, HDR, Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, 3D Spatial Audio, are just a few next gen features that Nintendo can't even be mentioned for having. They don't even give their players the option to see their favorite games at a higher level. Imagine the world of Mario with the scale and fedilty of a R&C. You say that they're aimed at selling to a younger audience, right? If true, why so many legacy titles with an M rating? Wasn't that the problem they had with the Wii and the WiiU? The Switch is the WiiU light and is identical, graphically. How long has it been?

BTW, Ferrari is not a luxury car, it's a super sports car, low luxury with high performance. When you see that my analogy was about performance over pricing I'd hope you'd understand my plight a little better. Sales mean nothing when your aim is to take advantage of all the features made available in tech industry. Nintendo is showing that they don't care, which is why they deserve to go without certain titles. You did see that SMT is going to PS5, right? Companies want to see their games in a new light as well, it's not fair to hold them back with a refusal to push the envelope.

[onisama]

@surgical

Gaming is not about graphics if you think that you maybe new for gaming....
And comparing a home console to portable is.... Genius 😅

[SurgicalMenace]

If that's all you got from what I said, then perhaps, it's you that's the newcomer. When TVs are delivering more realistic displays and more groundbreaking tech, why not take advantage?

It's funny, because if Nintendo had a system that outperformed Sony/MS technologically you'd be singing another tune. It's so convenient that one minute the Switch is a console, then when it's performance is brought into play then it's a portable. Just keep naively sheltering yourself from the fact that the industry wants more than what Nintendo's tech is offering. Sells are cool but tech is better....Genius.

[SinisterKieran]

you know its old weak hardware right? the only games that can really perform on it are exclusives.

[onisama]

I think persona 5 can run but with lot of work and Atlus wont bother adjusting and optimizing it with lot of work

[septemberindecember]

Persona 5 is on the PS3, Persona 4 Golden is on the Vita and P3P is on the PSP. The Switch outperforms all of those on a hardware level. Being "weak" isn't an excuse, these aren't demanding games

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Such a retarded statement. If it can run Dying Light, Doom Eternal and Bright Memory with no issues and it already has Persona 5 Strikers then it can run anything, lol .. even the Crysis ports run better on this.

[Antnee534]

Few things 1 being I think when it comes to 3rd party games coming to switch its just not worth the effort to port your game to the console when you are working only on ps5/Xbox series.
2 I still think persona might head to switch but with nintendos own direct (rumored) on the 29th they might have asked atlas to hold off announcing these games for the switch.
3 going forward I see less and less games making there way to the switch until Nintendo puts out a new stronger model that can at least make it easier to port ps5/Xbox series games to the device.

[TheTony316]

It's no rocket science. If the Switch was more powerful, i'd have more third party support. Same thing happened with the Wii. It was number one but the majority of it's third party titles were shovel ware and old ports from previous gens.

[septemberindecember]

No, these Persona games are all on systems that are weaker than the Switch (PS3, PSV, PSP). It has nothing to do with power

[septemberindecember]

Everyone disagreeing with me, can you please explain to me why you think these Persona games are graphically intensive?

[TheTony316]

I was talking about ports in general.

[CDbiggen]

Would've liked to have seen it on there, but it is what it is. Them coming to PC is very welcome.

[jambola]

Yeah well
Switch users shouldn't have to beg for things that have been standard's on other consoles for over 10 years either
But here we are

[GoodGuy09]

Im only saying that atlus is really missing out on big sales for persona lol. Personas got really popular because of the psp and vita. Handheld fans will for sure want this on the switch as well. But hey well, the steam deck will be a great place as well if you can find one anywhere.

[VersusDMC]

Maybe SMTV and IV remaster sales have not been good enough on switch to bother with a port? Soul hackers 2 isn't coming out on switch either.

I personally want SMTV on PS4/5. Hopefully the eventual "royal" version of that game releases multiplatform. I don't know why people aren't making articles about wanting that masterpiece on a system that can run it perfectly.

[septemberindecember]

SMTV is the best selling SMT game ever. So this is incorrect.

[VersusDMC]

That doesn't mean they are happy with the sales. Googling shows SMTV at one million and Persona 5 at 5 million sales.

But i was simply speculating.

[LightofDarkness]

It's simple enough: they already have x86 based code for P4G and P5R. Compiling those for Xbox and PC is comparably trivial, and both use DX so very little effort is required once one is complete. It's an in-house proprietary engine, meaning they'd have to create their own ARM version of the engine for Switch, which is not so trivial. So it's low risk and high reward to port to PC, Xbox and PS5. The only outlier here is P3P, but I'm sure it's just an older code base of what they're using for the other games.

They'll get to the switch ports eventually, but likely need the funding from this release to fund that effort.

[Magic_Spatula]

This. It all boils down to how and where they can make the ports the fastest, easiest, and cheapest ways possible. Porting to the Switch would take a ton of work they don't have the time for.

[SoulWarrior]

And SMT5 is still only on switch, can't expect every game to be on every platform.

I get it, but P4 has been out on PS4, and even PS3 since 2016, most people would have been able to afford a dirt cheap PS3 during this time surely? But that also raises another question, if it can run on PS3 surely it can run on Switch? And I'm willing to bet it would sell quite well? I really don't get it lol

[Magic_Spatula]

It's not that they won't run on the Switch. It's that they would have to retool the engine to work on ARM architecture which is what the Switch uses. Their engine is already proven to work of x86 architecture. And to my knowledge, there aren't any mainline SMT or Persona games on mobile. Until they can figure out how to make the game run adequately on mobile, we won't see a Switch port soon.

[SoulWarrior]

Ah I see, nice to get a technical understansing.

[SoloGamer1]

I really agree that Nintendo should consider keeping up with the times in terms of hardware. Imagine them REALLY competing with Sony and MS with the likes of Zelda using Unreal Engine 5.. that would be mind-blowing..

[onisama]

I dont know man this comment section feels weird.... Switch was released mid last ps4 gen and was great for the time and was hugely successful and have great games.... But yes i will want a switch 2

[JEECE]

I mean I get why third parties generally prefer Xbox/PlayStation over Switch. Obviously Switch is underpowered, and there are also certain games that just don't make as much sense in light of the audience.

However, Persona makes way more sense on Switch than on Xbox (not that it couldn't come to both places, but I mean if they were only moving to one). It would run on Switch, and it would probably sell more copies there than the Xbox versions will, even counting Gamepass downloads as sales.

[Magic_Spatula]

Atlus (or SEGA? as they own Atlus) most likely did approach Nintendo and was turned down. It happens. It's widely known that companies shop their games out to the big three all the time for either funding, advertisement, and/or release on their hardware.

[gold_drake]

i think its more the adjustments for the switch that Atlus doesnt want to do.
porting those games to xbox pc and ps5 shouldnt be all too difficult, but the switch is just a different kind of hardware.

im sure the switch can handle it, but they probably still have to make alot of adjustments ha.

[-Hermit-]

Instead of bitching about games not coming to the console, why don't Nintendo fans start demanding better hardware from Nintendo? There is no doubt that the Persona games would work on the Switch, but every game ported to the Switch requires extra work compared to everything else because of it's weaker hardware. A lot of companies just don't want to put that extra work in, and I don't blame them.

The Switch has sold amazingly well, but it started to look really dated a few years ago. Instead of focusing on releasing the same hardware with a better screen, they could have been working on the next generation Switch model. It's 5 years old now and Valve has released a handheld that absolutely destroys the Switch. Why aren't Nintendo fans demanding something like that from Nintendo instead of crying about 3rd party games not coming to their system?

Nintendo fans mindset is to always point at everybody else but Nintendo when they don't get things their way. Well it's nobody elses fault but your own for being suckers when it comes to everything Nintendo. You have no right to demand more from every other company when you don't put the same demands on your precious Nintendo.