PS5 VRR Tests Show Massive FPS Gains in Certain Games like Spider-Man and Ratchet & Clank

The PS5 VRR update is finally live. Many PlayStation 5 games can now deliver much higher frame rate once variable refresh rate is enabled.

[SullysCigar]

These gains are bonkers. I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting such a leap...but I'll take it!

[TravsVoid]

Spider-Man has a 120fps mode so why are they acting like without VRR it's only 60fps.

[SullysCigar]

The point isn't what it's upper frame rate cap was before, it's what it brings a lesser frame rate mode up to, while retaining higher resolution, ray tracing and the like.

[Ju]

The RT mode never ran at 120fps

[Eonjay]

Seeing the real performance level of the PS5 gives me further hope for PSVR2. RT Performance Insomniac Uncapped footage reveals 50-85% overhead. Thats crazy. We are seeing 10 ms frame times here at 1440. So now imagine a VR game running with the same visual setting (with RT included and upscaled of course). Imagine you get the lowball 2.3x render savings with foveated rendering/eye tracking. I feel like the we all know PSVR2 is going to be an enormous lift from the original PSVR, but I think its still going to catch us all off guard at the same time.

[S2Killinit]

This ^
What they have said so far suggests the foveated rendering+eye tracking is going to close the gap between VR and flat games which in other words would mean the VR version will be by far the more impressive version because Anyone who has tried VR knows that the experience is much more impressive than what can be ‘shown’ in pictures/videos. So, imagine if what can be shown of PSVR2 games IS actually on par or comparable to flat games… that would blow minds on a whole new level.

That leaves the discomfort of having to wear a headset as the only factor making flat gaming more convenient.

[CrimsonWing69]

Without a side by side comparison can you really tell the difference? It’s a legit question as I don’t have a TV that can enable VRR, but form the video the only way I can see some minor difference is because I have the other version to compare it to.

[SierraGuy]

More frames equal a more responsive reaction to your input (controller).

I can't stand input lag ...we rarely had these issues in the 8/16 bit era.

[ANIALATOR136]

VRR doesn't add more frames though. It only matches the frame response time with the TV

[Ju]

It sure "adds" more frames, if you want, if it constantly runs like 25-50% beyond 60fps. Those are real frames that are rendered (frametime drops significantly below 16ms). Without VRR those would be capped at 60 (for everything which isn't unlocked and can't reach 120). So, ya, if it hits 80fps, it renders 80 frames per second instead of just 60.

[Mr Logic]

The video is only 60fps my man...and on top of that you can't capture VRR video in a way that allows a visual comparison.

But having played with VRR and high fps on PC for YEARS at this point, and trying it out on PS5 yesterday, yes it is a big difference to go from 60 to 90-100.

[Nacho_Z]

@Mr Logic and ChubbyBlade

Excuse me for not being aware of the fps of the video, don't think it mentions anywhere what it is but apparently I should know.

It seems like it either makes a small improvement to fps or in some cases a pretty dramatic one which is all good. Can't say the video shows that but no doubt that's on me.

[Sircolby45]

I think more competitive gamers will be able to tell a difference for sure. Casual gamers...they don't pay attention to that stuff lets be real. The video is not going to show the difference because it is only 60 FPS. Also you need a TV that can do native 120 Hz, so only people with newer high end TVs will notice a difference. I would say a large number of TVs in homes today do not currently have 120 Hz or VRR support.

[purple101]

I got a 90hz phone and I can tell difference from 60 even though 60 is (was) supposed to be the gold standard

[Nacho_Z]

I could barely tell the difference even with the side by side comparison. Granted I've never been too bothered about framerates.

[Mr Logic]

You're saying you couldn't tell the difference between 60fps and 90fps in a 60fps video. That's some big brain right there.

[ChubbyBlade]

If course you can’t. The video is in 60 🤦🏻‍♂️

[Eonjay]

Speaking of which, I think its about time that Youtube gives us the option to watch footage in 120 FPS.

[ChubbyBlade]

Yes.

[Neonridr]

depends.. if you are talking about a 5fps difference, then no. You'd be hard pressed to know the difference necessarily. But if it's like 15-20 fps gain, then absolutely.

[SinisterMister]

Why are people downvoting your comment?

[TiredGamer]

In the case of unlocking the framerate with VRR, VRR actually does add frames to the experience. It's not making the PS5 perform better, but rather, letting its performance come through to the gameplay. As in, a 60 fps mode with VRR and cap unlocked can now run the game at 90 fps in actual gameplay.

[Jin_Sakai]

If only other developers offered 40fps modes like Insomniac Games. You see up to a 50% boost on top of that with VRR.

[darthv72]

Im confused. Is this VRR the same as freesync or is that something else? I hear people talk about VRR and freesync and I thought they were the same thing.

[--Onilink--]

Same thing, hdmi forum vrr, freesync and gsync. All are forms of variable refresh rate.

Hdmi forum is open standard
Free sync amd
Gsync nvidia

[darthv72]

So then this means PS5 works on all of those types of monitors?

[--Onilink--]

Probably, technically if there is a monitor that ONLY supports gsync but not hdmi forum vrr then that one wouldnt work. But I dont know if there are such monitors.
If it says it supports Freesync or just says it has VRR (like on TVs), it should work just fine on PS5 and Xbox

[GoodGuy09]

@darth72
I think only on freesync. Gsync is only for nvidia gpus.

[CrimsonWing69]

See, I was wondering about this because I have an Odyssey G9 and have the PS5 plugged in via HDMI and it does not support VRR.

[--Onilink--]

@CrimsonWing

I think thats because the G9’s HDMI ports are 2.0 and not 2.1 (unless its the Neo G1)
It probably only supports VRR through DisplayPort
Or maybe if you lower the resolution to 1080p in the PS5

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

@darthv72,

I imagine only those monitors that have hdmi 2.1, I don't think there's alot to choose from at the moment, pity newer consoles didn't include Display Port as well (obviously a cost saving measure/perspective).

[darthv72]

someone posted a piece with list of all compatible screens.
https://mp1st.com/guides/ps...

[Muigi]

The PS5 doesn’t support freesync but the Xbox does which makes 0 sense, AMD makes the CPU and GPU in both consoles.

[The_Hooligan]

I was confused on that as well since my TV has freesync but no option for VRR. I haven't played PS5 with the new update so I will try it out over the weekend.

[GoodGuy09]

And who knows why it took a year and half to pump out, gsync and freesync are amazing on pc. A good performance gain with vsync off, no screen tears, and less input lag. Great its finally here.

[ocelot07]

Really impressed with it so far. Cone at a good time as well as a fair few TV's and monitors support it. Even medium priced TV's can have it. I my self gave a LG NanoCell 55NANO866PA it's £600 and is a fantastic set for the price.

[Kurupt]

Yup, I've noticed a massive improvement to killing floor 2, works like a charm, I'm using the last year's Samsung Q85..

[Blackcanary]

Aww my TV doesn't support VRR. So until I get a New TV which isn't gonna happen any Time soon this feature is useless to me.

[darthv72]

here is a list to help you are ready to decide: https://mp1st.com/guides/ps...

[Taero]

Shame they fucked us on some of their TV implementations. I bought an X900h for the assurance that 2.1 and VRR etc. were coming. Well, here came 2.1, but to use VRR you have to turn off local dimming and HDR and it now doesn't work in 4k120 so...either smooth out the frames and get shittier colors and contrast or leave them as they are to get the advertised features. All because they used a shit chip implementation in the TV. Thanks Sony. Oh and the X900H was one of their recommended TVs FOR THE PS5!

[elazz]

Can you tell me which TV allows for local dimming when using VRR? I might be mistaken but all LCD Tv's take a big hit when using VRR on this regard while some oleds have some flicker issues. So image is never gonna be perfect but gameplay wise it will play better.

I think qd oled would be your best bet but that's 2500 or so for 55"

[Taero]

Here's a list of pretty much all TVs and Monitors and which ones have to compromise etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS...

[Chocoburger]

After 9 years of usage, my 1080p Plasma died one year ago, and thus I began the process of looking up which TV model to buy.

As you already stated, Sony promised VRR for their 2020 model TVs, and I was on the fence trying to figure out which TV is best for me, however, I read an important comment on reddit which was, "Never buy a TV based on promised features, buy it for what it has in the here and now."

Based on reddit recommendations, I settled for the LG CX (it was on the way out being discounted for the soon-to-be-released LG C1), and I'm damn glad that I did. Apparently the LG CX still has the best implementation of black frame insertion than any other TV, even better than C1 and C2. Also the LG C2 is having some real issues playing 4:3 content, where it introduces an absurd amount of lag.

Anyway, glad I got the CX, and when you buy your next TV, remember to buy it based on what it has now, and not what will be promised later.

[Taero]

Yeah, at the time I was moving away from OLEDs as I've had bad experiences in the past and that was the best size to quality to price option I could find then. I just think it's embarrassing as a company to sell a TV specifically mentioned as being for your product, and then fuck up supporting it for your product.

[Ju]

I have a X900h and its not that bad. It had the VRR update for a while now. I have also troubles with my 3070 on that, tbh. So, you can't just blame Sony (and that is with or without my Denon 2.1HDMI 8k/120fps pass through which fully supports VRR). Sound just cuts out at 4K VRR mode on the 3070 @ 120fps. 60 works fine. So, that's the graphics driver, neither my receiver nor the TV. I guess 120Hz VRR on TVs not just on Sony TVs. Otherwise, I like that they updated all that. When those TVs released, there was no 4K 120Hz HDMI 2.1 VRR standard. So I am glad it was possible to patch that in.

[StarkR3ality]

Sounds good for the games that support it, I'd warn against the option to force it on upsupported games just an FYI.

I am playing Ghost of Tsushima which is incredibly smooth on PS5 anyway in regards to framerate, but as soon as I enabled this feature it was choppy as fuck. Just a warning to people out there trying this feature out, I'd keep it for supported games only from my first impressions.

[FanboysKiller]

There's a lot of v and r in ps brand.