Starfield Marks a Turning Point in the Console Generation

Starfield is set to launch later this year as an Xbox Series X|S and PC only title, marking a turning point in the current generation.

[darkrider]

Not really. It will always be hold back be the weaker console. The s. The game needs to run at on the s that had problems to run crossgen games at 1080p. That's the problem of making a console at least 3 times weaker then x on gpu, half the ram, less then half of the bandwidth...

[Julion0715]

Give it a rest my guy

[S2Killinit]

It sounds like a xbox problem, unless of course the game is also cross-gen?

[Lightning77]

In the Matrix demo DF revealed that that Epic had a tough time getting the demo to run on the S. Had no impact on the other 2 systems. So the S will have problems on its own as the gen goes on. Like I said it didn't have any impact on thence or PS5.

Kill the narrative already.

[darkrider]

Epic was force to ask the help of coalition to run the demo.... And not even then was able to run at 1080 locked and got even lower then 720p...

[Lightning77]

There you go the S will have its own issues as the gen goes on as I stated before. The X and PS5 will do just fine.

[thesoftware730]

Exactly this..one look at Hellblade 2 and the coalition Demo and we see nothing is holding the SX back in the slightest.

But I think that type of narrative helps him sleep at night.

[CaptainHenry916]

It will. It's just a matter of time. A lot of gamers are in denial

[TheColbertinator]

Bethesda was never known for graphics. In fact Bethesda makes games for all types of hardware configurations for the mod community.

[--Onilink--]

And yet PC games have no problem releasing with significantly higher settings, performance and resolution …
AND
also be playable on lower end hardware…

Almost as if the games dont need to be at a specific set of configurations and they can be customized for all sorts of hardware…

[Profchaos]

The article suggests turning point as it's not going to last gen as the first ms owned game to do so. It's not that special as third parties have already done so including Bethesda as deathloop was their games and only came to ps5/pc

[itsmebryan]

@darkrider
You say producing Series S will hold games back doesn't make any sense. Games are scalable just like they do on PC for decades. But, you know that.

But, by your logic the Nintendo switch is actually holding every multi platform game back because it is the weakest system. If that what you believe then Series S and weaker PCs are not a problem.

[darthv72]

That's been riders problem all along. One dimensional thinking that if something runs at X level (lets say PS5/SX) then it cant possibly run on anything lower when every PC gamer knows the complete opposite. Especially with the last several years of CPU/GPU configurations and the various ways that games are made to play on a wide range of those configurations.

If something is held back then it is on the persons own experience who chooses to play on lesser hardware. But they know that upgrading will also yield an upgraded experience as well. That is the nature of scalability. I have played Flight Sim on both Series S and X and can say personally that it was the same experience on both in terms of my inability to fly. But that is on me... the games handling was the same while the presentation was obviously different due to the difference in hardware.

If i were to play on a PC Im sure it would look even better but i play on console so i am holding myself back from really experiencing what it truly can offer. Not the other way around like rider seems to think.

[FlavorLav01]

Typically, that’s why Switch ports come last. Devs need much more to optimize for lower spec hardware. Also, how many multiplat game look best on a switch….none. That’s the answer. So hardware does matter for graphics, performance, and ground up game design. Wait until m.2 SSDs are a prerequisite for current-gen games on PC. It will happen, and then you can’t just scale everything.

[ABizzel1]

MS and de elopers have shown that they are willing to gimp the Series s version by any means. They've dropped 60fps options, lowered resutions to below 720p, removed raytracing, lowered graphics setting, and possibly more so this narrative is a non-issue at this point.

People should know by now what they're getting with the Series S, and if they get to the point they want more power they can upgrade to the Series X or Series Z or whatever it's called later.

As far as Starfield we'll see. People keep having this but if it's Fallout in space then there are hundreds of millions who could care less. Let the game show something relevant to see if its the Gears of the PS360 era or its even a turning point for Xbox.

[Notellin]

You don't have anything invested in any of this, so cool it with the hot takes.

[Godmars290]

Once it comes out it may.

Given so far only concept art and CG trailers have been shown off, that and its devs hyping it up, that its little more than Fallout in space has yet to be proven.

[Obscure_Observer]

"Given so far only concept art and CG trailers have been shown off, that and its devs hyping it up, that its little more than Fallout in space has yet to be proven."

So Starfield has to prove that it´s not a copy of Fallout in a space setting? Where´s your comparison between Fallout and Starfield comes from?

[Godmars290]

The comparison between Fallout and Oblivion.

The only thing that will prove Starfield is its release. What it has against it is that Bethesda have yet to release a title w/o bugs. Also lack of actual footage/gameplay when its suppose to be out this year. Anything less than a live stage real time demo is going to be a bad sign.

[Obscure_Observer]

"What it has against it is that Bethesda have yet to release a title w/o bugs."

It´s virtually impossible to release an Open World RPG free of bugs, but I got your point.

"Also lack of actual footage/gameplay when its suppose to be out this year."

Check your facts, Fallout 4 had it´s gameplay and all major infomation revealed in less than 6 months before release. This is just Bethesda M.O.

"Anything less than a live stage real time demo is going to be a bad sign."

Any gameplay trailer will do just like it does to any other game. Live stage demo would be awesome of course, but since E3 2022 is now officially canceled, nobody knows if Microsoft will host a live stage event of their own.

[Godmars290]

@Obscure_Observer:

"It´s virtually impossible to release an Open World RPG free of bugs,"

Yeah. The thing about about: Bethesda pretty much established that "standard".

And that's the key issue: neither they nor MS have stellar records regarding getting something near right day one, yet now that they're together things are somehow magically fixed?

[Chevalier]

"It´s virtually impossible to release an Open World RPG free of bugs, but I got your point"

They're literally known as Bugthesda for decades its not new to them. Open World RPGs do not generally have the game breaking bugs Bethesda games. You literally have no examples to back up your statements.

Its pretty much guaranteed Starfield will have bugs like any other Bethesda RPG.

[Obscure_Observer]

"And that's the key issue: neither they nor MS have stellar records regarding getting something near right day one, yet now that they're together things are somehow magically fixed?"

You tell me. Last time I checked Xbox First Party Games on Metacritic:

Forza Horizon 5 - 92
Microsoft Flight Simulator - 90
Halo Infinite - 87
Age of Empires - 81

https://www.videogameschron...

That´s Xbox Game Studios recent track record.

You don´t own an Xbox and you´re obviously misinformed and trapped in the past. Don´t care about what you think about Xbox. You can´t deny facts.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Chevalier

"You literally have no examples to back up your statements."

Lol. You wish. Starfield is directed by Todd Howard himself.

Skyrim - 96 on Metacritic
Fallout 4 - 88 on Metacritic

His "worst" and last game has the same metascore as Horizon FW, so don´t talk to me about "quality" and track record.

[Godmars290]

@Obscure_Observer:

You should know better than try to equate review scores to performance. Especially to ignore Halo Infinite's current content issues.

But then you pull the exact same thing with Chevalier.

[Godmars290]

Who's changing the subject? By all counts, Metacritic score well aside, 343 isn't giving any notice on when they'll have basic game features while there are calls someone else be handed a franchise they were specifically crated for to maintain.

A for GT7, yes, it's BS. Sony and Polyphony Digital should be well ashamed for what they put out. That's something I have no problem saying, unlike yourself.

And still, getting back on subject, even for that, they have a better track record than MS. Bethesda.

[darthv72]

Fallout in space.... whats not to like? Unless you arent a fallout boy.

[Obscure_Observer]

"You should know better than try to equate review scores to performance. But then you pull the exact same thing with Chevalier."

You can only kill false narratives with facts and that´s what I did. You brought your opinions based on nothing but bias, I brought you facts and numbers. It is what it is.

"Especially to ignore Halo Infinite's current content issues."

Funny how you change the subject when is convenient to you. First you said:

"And that's the key issue: neither they nor MS have stellar records regarding getting something near right day one"

Key word: *Day One*

Halo Infinite got (and still maintain) 87 metascore and 80 userscore. Those numbers highlight how of a failed launch Halo Infinite had among gaming press and gamers.

If there´s someone ignoring things is you with GT7 terrible and worst launch in Playstation history. They hid MTX from reviewers only to add it later on a day one patch to screw Playstation gamers over with it´s hideous and scumbag MTX practices.

Due the lack of MTX on review copies they managed and got themselves a 87 metascore and an all-time low history record 20 usercore once the game showed its true face.

About day one "issues": Spider-Man Miles Morales, R&C Rift Apart, Horizon FW (just type "Horizon Forbidden West NPCs on google images), GT7... all of those games had day one patches while Xbox´s Forza Horizon 5, Halo Infinite, Flight Simulator did not.

So much for your "getting something near right day one" clueless narrative.

Again, you brought your opinion. I brought you facts. You can check for yourself and see if I´m lying.

You try too hard to discredit Xbox while ignoring Playstation blatant "issues" as you say and giving Sony a pass.

Now you´re informed. Better luck next time.

[Orbilator]

Hey it was you that brought playstation into a Xbox article. You need to get a grip too. Save your crap for a proper playstation article not an Xbox one. :)

[alb1899]

Nice, first true next gen experience for me.

[EvertonFC]

19 months since current gen started and you're talking "first true nxt gen experience". That says it all really

[F0XH0UND922]

If you're banking your first next gen experience on a Bethesda game, you're gonna have a bad time.

[Notellin]

Oblivion on 360 was a pretty big deal for that console generation. But of course if it doesn't fit your narrative it didn't happen.

[badz149]

@Notellin

but you going back to as far as the 360 is somehow a good narrative to justify the overhype of this game which has no gameplay shown yet??

[Chocoburger]

The game will be a hot mess upon its release. Bugged to hell, expect to read messages like

"I'll wait for them to patch the game before I open the shrink wrap."

Fallout 4 still has game progression glitches that Bethesda never fixed. This game only has fake hype trailers and it's coming out in half a year? It certainly won't be a ready in time, but in typical Bethesda and Microsoft fashion it will be released on time.

I'm sure they've already written up their fake PR apology claiming that they had no idea the game was as rough and buggy as it ended up being on its release,and they'll promise to patch and fix the game.

And they will issue patch #1, #2, #8, etc., and it'll still have lingering issues. Gamers will get upset, complain online, then forget about it whenever 2-3 years later Bethesda shows off a CGI hype trailer for the next Elder Scrolls game. Then the cycle repeats anew.

[Terry_B]

Who knows..maybe its just Fallout 4 set in Space.

[isarai]

Wouldn't really say "turning point" but coukd certainly be a big step. The 3 problems i have with it is 1) MS lives to promise, but scarcely delivers 2) Bethesda hasn't exactly been on the upswing on their last few games, and 3) the very little of this game shown so far looks really meh.

I hope all of these are overcame in the firm of this game, i hope it's a massive banger that jumpstarts MS back into the competitor they used to be, but lately i just doubt it.

[Obscure_Observer]

"Wouldn't really say "turning point" but coukd certainly be a big step."

Starfield will be the first true next gen Open World RPG, so, unless Starfield turnout to be outclassed by crossgen RPGs like Horizon, it will definitely be a turning point and an all new standard will be set.

[VersusDMC]

Wasn't fallout 4 and fallout 76 only on ps4 and xone? They were next gen only and no turning point or standard was reached there.

And Bethesda technically have already released two next gen only games...Deathloop and Ghostwire.

With no gameplay shown the hyperbole when talking about this game is out of control...

[isarai]

We dont even know what the release date is, pretty sure another next gen only open world rpg could come out by then.

[DOMination-]

We do know the release date, it was in the last trailer. I can't remember it but think it was 11.11.22 ?

The developer (Bethesda Game Studios Maryland) have only made two games in the last ten years. Skyrim and Fallout 4. They have metacritics of 94 and 88 respectively. I'm sure almost any other studio in the world would be okay with that lack of "upswing".

Name a game that is open world from the start that allows you to truly go anywhere and talk to anyone at any time and where the world state changes throughout the game that doesn't have bugs on launch. I'm not defending their QC or think they can't do better but that statement you see on EVERY Bethesda article is lazy and shows a lack of understanding in how game development works.

There are millions of combinations (especially in ES where you can choose from however many different races which affects conversation trees). You can have 1000 testers but you are never going to check everything. The important thing is that those bugs are reported and fixed afterwards which... they have a very mixed record on.

[isarai]

@DOM

We just ignoring Fallout 76 i see, and it's not just their developed games, their practices have been very anti consumer, and heavy on the microtransactions for a few years. They tend to lie about a lot of stuff, from their games to their merch.

And there are other of rpgs that do that(horizon, outward), and "world state"? Wtf are u even talking about? , i'm not denying that bethesda makes great RPGs, i'm saying i'm getting fed up with their BS.

You are really exaggerating the depth of a bethesda rpg.

[Obscure_Observer]

"And Bethesda technically have already released two next gen only games...Deathloop and Ghostwire."

Well, Destruction All-Stars is "technically" a next gen game despite the fact that it look and play like a PS3 game.

You know what a true next gen game means with all the new technology and new engine stuff. So you can quit this tiresome game.

"With no gameplay shown the hyperbole when talking about this game is out of control..."

This is what hype is about. I see nothing wrong, though I understand the frustration of those that will not be able to play such amazing game.

"We dont even know what the release date is"

You mean, YOU don´t know. For the rest of us, we know Starfield release date since last summer.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[DOMination-]

"We just ignoring Fallout 76 i see, and it's not just their developed games, their practices have been very anti consumer, and heavy on the microtransactions for a few years. They tend to lie about a lot of stuff, from their games to their merch."

Fallout 76 was not developed by BGS Maryland so yes. Agree on the other stuff though.

[Palitera]

It also probably won't be groundbreaking because they will use their 2006 engine and aren't the most skilled tech guys. Their games are cool, but SO dated design and tech-wise...

[Obscure_Observer]

"It also probably won't be groundbreaking because they will use their 2006 engine and aren't the most skilled tech guys."

Lol. And you apparently is not the most informed person either, otherwise, you would know by now that Starfield will be the first Bethesdda game powered by the new Creation Engine 2. And for what we saw from Starfield so far, competition has nothing that comes close.

[Palitera]

Ok, we get it, Obscu, you're a zealot defender of the game. As everyone else knows, this engine is just a PR iteration from their almost two decades old system.

Bethesda's AND Microsoft's track records speak for themselves on the "oh so groundbreaking" subject (and PR) and not everyone is this naive.

[DarkZane]

@Obscure_Observer "And for what we saw from Starfield so far, competition has nothing that comes close."

We've seen almost nothing. In fact, we've seen so little, it might as well be nothing.

[Chevalier]

https://comicbook.com/gamin...

I guess some people will want this rumour to be true.

[Obscure_Observer]

"I guess some people will want this rumour to be true."

Lol. Only 45 days left to know for sure.

[SurgicalMenace]

Didn't they claim the same thing with Crackdown 3, Halo 5, etc. Just let the gaming do the talking when it releases.

[SurgicalMenace]

My comment is about the claim not the games. Crackdown was supposed to set the bar for next gen gaming last gen and we all witnessed what happened after it released. Starfield, whatever it is, should be judged once it's available.

[darthv72]

They talked up CD3 but didnt secure the tech behind it. So while they did deliver on the cloud powered claim, it fell short due to having to make changes after the company that was working on the tech got bought by another outfit.

The game is still better than the other CD games but it lost some luster over long dev time.

[Tetsujin]

Until there's official game play, this game is classified as Vaporware.

[Wrex369]

I'm excited too but let's wait for what this game actually is.

[BrainSyphoned]

The elephant in the room is the quality of games Bethesda Studios has made lately. If Starfield follows suit it will be a why did we spend Billions of dollars turning point before Bethesda can try to redeem themselves again with ES6 late this decade.

[darthv72]

FO76 is the only questionable one I can think of. And even that has greatly improved over the course of its life. Otherwise their quality has been very good.

[Orchard]

We’ll still see more cross gen games after this game I’m sure.

Also need to see more of Starfield at E3 to know if it as a game is truly a turning point.

[attilayavuzer]

E3 was cancelled

[X-23]

How about the game releases first, way too much hype and not enough display of actual gameplay and substance if you ask me.

[DazaMc]

Who else thinks this will be delayed to 2023?

[gamer9]

Based on what though? No gameplay? That's how Bethesda does it. I believe the opposite, that the game could've released last holiday season but xbox already had Halo and needed this game pushed to 2022 holiday. They literally just sit around talking about the game lol. Full reveal will be at xbox showcase in about 6 weeks.

Not to mention that'd be a huge blow to xbox holiday lineup if the most hyped game ever is pushed to next year.

[Chocoburger]

It won't be delayed, but it certainly won't be ready for its release date. Just another Bethesda / Microsoft incomplete game over promising and under delivering. Nothing will be learned from the Cyberpunk 2077 disaster.

They've already prepared their fake PR apologies in advance I'm sure.

[Hofstaderman]

How so? We have only seen a trailer and sparce screeshots.

[derek]

The article states that fromsoft developed the demons souls remake, which is not true.

[Grievous]

They have shown nothing at all of the actual game so how can it be a turning point?

[philm87]

Hoping this is a hit, Xbox needs some more consistency in it's exclusives.

[Flashy83]

Pretty sure bluepoint made the demon souls remake. Lost interest in this article after that.

[moriarty1889]

Would be nice to see some actual gameplay.

[gamer9]

Full reveal in June. Hunch. not confirmed.

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

So what’s the count for next gen exclusives….

Like 9 to 1?

[RosweeSon]

Yeah Xbox will get a major game for everyone else it’ll be business as usual

[Teflon02]

Ratchet and Clank was the turning point tbh. Returnal I understand it's position wasn't all that welcomed despite over time people praising it all of a sudden. But Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart set the standard for what AAA is this gen so early that it's a turning point. A game you have only seen concept art for all these years isn't a turning point. Can be a great game. Not denying. But it also has nothing providing proof it's a turning point. Can be Cyberpunk, can be Duke Nukem Forever etc. Like damn, going to overhype the game to the point it'll never live up to the hype even if great at this point

[ichdich]

Nice, first true next gen experience for me.

[RickRoland]

2 years later. Hope it isn't a flop.

[Psychonaut85]

I’ll believe in when I see it. Zero faith left in Bethesda. Here’s hoping it’s good though.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

So... There's still not one video of the game running on anything?

[lio_convoy]

I guess Returnal wasn't a PS5 exclusive.

[Silly gameAr]

Trying to rewrite history?

[CrimsonWing69]

I liked the days when a new console marked the turning point in a console generation...

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

By “turning point” do you mean “starting point”?

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

…2 years in.

[ARESWARLORD]

I have a feeling this game is going to be absolutely crazy. I have ultra high hopes

[GamesAsAService]

I love Bethesda but I have been concerned in recent years. Here are a few things I want to see in Starfield (generally).

1) Look amazing. Im really hoping the game looks great. Graphical fidelity is not THE most important thing about a game, but Bethesda titles have really been looking dated for quite a while now. Most of the gaming community is concerned about the viability of the Creation Engine. We live in the age of absolutely stunning looking games. It would be a shame for Starfield to come out already looking dated.

2) Feel great to play. We have certain expectations for minimum quality when it comes to how our game characters interact with the world. Will we be shooting guns? Make it satisfying, responsive, and impactful (Wolfenstein, Destiny, etc...), will there be melee combat? (first person, or third) Look at games that have fantastic melee combat and utilize what you can. Learn and make the mechanics of this game FEEL GOOD. If gun behaviour is similar to how Fallout plays, or melee combat like Skyrim, then that would be really disappointing.

Otherwise, I think their world building, and exploration is first class.

Nonetheless we will see. I am always cheering to see games succeed and amaze. Lets hope they are capable of making something remarkable.

[Gravedance]

Yeah because Bethesda is known for innovation and pushing boundaries. They for sure haven't stagnated and rested on their laurels for the last fourteen years. This is going to be an even bigger disaster than the No Man's Sky launch, except Bethesda is not gonna fix anything and instead is just going to rely on the modding community to do it.

[masterfox]

what turning?, they haven't shown a single thing of any actual gameplay, some sketches here and there and thats it!, lol turning point more like chitcold.com article XD

[Nuvem]

lol what? This is so funny and delusional.

[sourOG]

Way too soon to be talking about starfield. I generally like Bethesda games but I’m still keeping my expectations low. I’m hyped and it’s a day 1 but that’s because it’s Bethesda. I don’t know anything about starfield other than it’s a deep space RPG grounded in reality.

I like Bethesda because of the worlds and fantasy elements. Or the weird post apocalyptic of fallout. I want a Bethesda version of mass effect, not a grounded space sim. Im getting it regardless and I’ll probably like it regardless but it’s too soon to have any kind of opinion imo. We’re guessing.