Wow did my comment really get marked as spam for simply saying the comparison should go, PS+ to XBL Gold, and Gamepass to PSNow? Why exactly?
I find it funny i only get marked as spam when trying to engage in a XB/MS subject. Aint even a hit towards or for any brand, just saying this comparison makes no sense.
This sites run by Sony Social media PR. Has been for about 3-4 years. It has got much worse over the past 12 months tho. They no longer hide it now. Like you said those of us that don’t give a crap about “brand loyalty” get shut down for stating facts when the fan boys don’t like it.
how is PS+ a subscription service? PS+ is the same thing as Xbox Live. You need to subscribe to that to play online games. Game Pass and PS Now are services above and beyond those.
Yes Sony is merging PS Now with PS+ but I'm willing to wager that the vast majority of people will be on the PS+ Essential level which is still just the basic PS+ with no access to additional games.
Are you telling me that there are more PS Now subscribers currently than Game Pass ones?
I'm baffled yet not surprised by you're disagrees. The level of intelligence astounds me these days Surely they know there both subscription services lol
Psnow has around 3 - 4 million subscribers and isn't really growing hence the merger.
Game pass has over 25 million subscribers. But as I said in previous comments, people won't compare two like for like because that makes Sony look bad.
Perhaps to show the level of interest between one subscription service (pay to play online) versus another (pay to pay online and access to a list of games). Also to show that one service hasn't reduced the other service, but only grown the new one without affecting the older one.
Care to explain? because If you are talking about the fact that Game with gold now sucks to promote Gamepass well please remind me again of what Sony is now offering this month?
@petebloodyonion What's sony offering this month? A well liked platformer, one of the best deckbuilders since dominion and some online game for ps5. Could defineitely be worse.
Agreed. Live Gold is akin to PS+ while PSNow is akin to Gamepass. for anyone who doesnt know how they compare... here ya go.
XB Live Silver (free / no online play) XB Live Gold (paid / online play) Gamepass XB (download games / no online play) Gamepass PC (download games / online play) Gamepass Ultimate XB/PC (download games / online play / cloud streaming)
PS+ (online play) PSNow (download / cloud streaming w/online play only with games in PSNow service) PS+ Essential (same as current PS+) PS+ Extra (combines PS+ & PSNow but no cloud streaming ) PS+ Premium (expanded version of Extra with older games as well as cloud streaming)
Agree but there’s no distinction ,when Xbox fans are talking about Xbox live they always referred to it as a whole not gold silver copper or whatever other tier just Xbox live and game pass
XBL itself is not a subscription service. Gold is. XBL is just their console centric membership like Playstation Network. both of which have a free tier and paid tier of members. nobody is saying PS+ isnt a subscription service, just that it is incorrect to compare to Gamepass. At least for now until the revamped Now+ comes out
@darth “XBL itself is not a subscription service.” So what is considered a subscription? If you need to pay for a service or it stop working be it daily, weekly, monthly, or annually it’s a subscription https://www.collinsdictiona... Just because you don’t want it to conform to your ideology it doesn’t means it’s a lie. This kind of articles same as the one saying that PS+ fail because day1 are just stupid and pointless flames to make consoles fans fight and we all fall for it
@Victor, it's the distinction between gold and silver. The way generic phrased it was lacking context. Hence the entirety of XBL is just that... it is the xbox network where you can either be a free member or a paid subscriber. does that make sense now?
Like you said yourself, "If you need to pay for a service or it stop working be it daily, weekly, monthly, or annually it’s a subscription." There are lots of people who are members to XBL that dont pay (free aka silver), especially on the PC where Gold is not a requirement for online play.
yes, but they are required at the base level to simply play online. I was using the term subscription more as something above and beyond. XBL and PS+ are directly comparable because they do the same thing. But PS+ and Game Pass aren't. If you want to compare Game Pass you use PS Now as the competition.
XBL and PS+ are required just to play online. Game Pass and PS Now are supplemental and not included with either service (XBL or PS+). Just because PS Now is being merged with PS+ doesn't mean you can now say that 20 million people subscribe to PS Now because the majority of people will be using the basic level which won't include access to these games like Game Pass does.
@ frosty other websites has been comparing both and saying the new PS+ failed compared to game pass 🤷🏿 I guess it’s another one of those you can’t compare to me but I can compare to you moment
It isn't interesting at all. It's not a real comparison. PS+ is required for online multiplayer making it much more necessary. Xbox Live Gold is the competitor to PS+, not Game Pass. PSNow would be a closer comparison to Game Pass.
How do PC GP subs change anything? What point are you attempting to make here? By all means take the PC subscribers out of it. It doesn't matter. The point stands, it's a stupid comparison. Game Pass and PS+ are not comparable services. What next, are you gonna compare Gran Turismo and Kirby because they both have cars?
Not surprised at all. But what's more interesting is that "Nintendo Switch Online has much more subscribers than the Xbox Game Pass, with a 32 million-strong subscriber count." I mean I wouldn't never guess 🤔
I would. The Switch released in 17 same time as Gamepass, gamepass is optional till this day, Nintendo online play isn't. Nintendo having 32 million subscribers isn't that much when they have a ton of Switches out. 103 million sold with only 32 million subscribed is not a good ration. Game pass is only 7 million behind. That gap will close considerably because I can't see a sudden surge in online subscriptions suddenly going up for Nintendo unless they over haul their online service.
It is a false equivalency, but, also, it is worth noting that Game Pass was pushed HARD by M$ with free trials and $1 trials, so most Live subs are also Game Pass subs.
Another problem is a lot of gamers unsubcribe to gamepass until a game they like or interested in gets on there. That's what I do. I don't pay month to month
If you are someone like me... you dont have to pay at all. i earn months through searching for stuff on bing. i havent paid for a month of GPU for over a year now.
I guess my point was that if, come June, PlayStation can match GPU’s library at it’s cheaper price point, then Xbox is about to lose their biggest selling point a half year before a single XsX exclusive releases (Starfield, assuming they still release 2022 in good shape).
1: Xbox live has double the the active users of ps plus (100m vs 48m) 2: game pass is a tier of online service from Xbox and has only been around since 2016 vs ps plus that has been around a lot longer (about the same as Xbox live). The tier of Xbox live with gamepass is at 25million - but since 2016 3: there’s no way to make an apples to apples comparison until the max tier of new ps plus goes live and starts taking on subscribers of that level. Even then it’s still not directly comparable. 4: after the pandemic calming down, pa plus is actually LOSING subscribers while gamepass/Xbox live is GAINING subscribers. 5: people are actually starting buy Xboxes because of Gamepass. No one is buying a playststion b/c of PS Plus. Pretty easy to google search. LOOK IT UP. This is pure click bait and based on context and history on this site, this story should be failed.
Actually it's not hard to believe because I think the PS5 is still outselling the Series X worldwide even with the short circuit Sony is experiencing. It's the only explanation I can see why this is happening
Lol last month Xbox outsold ps5 globally and for the second month in a row in North America.
Copied from Wikipedia/Starista based on 2021 stats:
“ By January 2021, Microsoft reported that there were more than 100 million Xbox network subscribers (including those through the Xbox Game Pass subscription).”
“As of December 2021, PS Plus service had over 48 million subscribers, a vast increase from the eight million in 2014.Feb 2, 2022 https://www.statista.com › statistics • PlayStation Plus subscribers 2021 | Statista”
Yes historically ps4 outsold Xbox one but Xbox live required a subscription to play the original Xbox online before PlayStation required ps plus. This gave Xbox live more of a need initially.
I'm talking about in total sales worldwide currently and not just North America. Playstation is still ahead worldwide even with the chip shortages which I find interesting. I will say this though We haven’t witnessed a lot of Microsoft’s acquired developers releasing some big titles on GamePass yet. Time will tell if Starfield will make a *huge difference* because Halo Infinite didn't make a huge difference and that's Microsoft biggest franchise. I know that God of War is going to sell. Quality over Quantity will always win. Maybe Microsoft is actually losing money since you don't have to buy their games for $70 bucks now. I played Forza and Halo Infinite for free because of Microsoft reward points and even then just paying about $10 to $15 dollars to play all their exclusives sounds like they're losing money to me especially after I unsubcribe before the month is over. It feels like stealing games
@z2g It could be nothing more than a rumor, but I hear that MS are paying for chip priority so they can get more xboxs out. I mean, it would make sense because PS5's are barely seen. I wouldn't put it past MS to do something like that, but it's only a rumor right now.
The growth of both is what will be most interesting to see
why are we comparing a subscription service to PS Plus? Wouldn't Xbox Live be a better comparison?
Across two platforms vs one.
Not surprised at all. But what's more interesting is that "Nintendo Switch Online has much more subscribers than the Xbox Game Pass, with a 32 million-strong subscriber count." I mean I wouldn't never guess 🤔
Well, all I know is that the new PSPlusNow combo is where the best value is for me.