Former Ubisoft dev says that Techland intentionally made AMD FSR look worse in Dying Light 2

Reddit's TheHybred (who is a former Ubisoft developer) said that Techland has intentionally made AMD FSR look worse in Dying Light 2.

[LordoftheCritics]

''Ubisoft’s former dev concluded:

“AMD needs to quit forbidding devs to not include DLSS in their sponsored titles and NVIDIA should not intentionally try to make their tech look worse than it is, this just hurts gamers and no one falls for the tricks to begin with so what’s the point?”

Corporations being douchey as usual.

[REDGUM]

Thank you for pointing that out , for those of us who didn't read the full article, the headline to this article then becomes misleading!

[GhostofHorizon]

I don't think any developer out there is intentionally making their games look worse. It seems like such an ignorant thing to say. Whatever they have to gain from their partnership is NOT even close to what they have to lose by releasing a worse looking game.

Just because someone is a developer doesn't mean they know the ins and outs of another development team.

I do agree with the overall point that these partnerships for tech are not necessary and only hurt the gamers in the end.

[XBManiac]

Work hours are money. If you can invest 2 hours in activating and fixing a feature... you do just that. If you need to invest a week to make it shine... it is a week not invested in bug fixing... or, simply, one more week of dev salaries.

[GhostofHorizon]

There is a difference between "intentionally made something look worse" and "weren't given enough time to make something look as good as it could".

Could they have used more time to polish up the game? That's undeniable for just about any game out there but to say they intentionally did it is misinterpreting the situation.

I'm always in favor of delays to get a better product in the end but that is not always an option these developers have.

[anubusgold]

@GhostofHorizon The game is trash people with a RTX 3090 are having trouble running at 60 fps at some resolutions and cards that are a gen older are getting better frame rates than a 1500 dollar graphics cards they didnt quality control or optimize this game at all.

[CantThinkOfAUsername]

Firstly, the headline is putting words in the developer's comment. Secondly, FSR Ultra Quality is literally adjusting some numbers in the config file (it's already there just not enabled/defined in the settings). Thirdly, developers do what seniors/managers say. It's not like they have the choice. If higher ups said "Put FSR in the game but remove its best looking option that rivals DLSS because we got Nvidia's money" you bet devs would be on it even if they don't like it.

[abstractel]

? That's what config files are for, storing the settings.

[abstractel]

"Just because someone is a developer doesn't mean they know the ins and outs of another development team."

This is exactly right despite all the downvotes.

Also, partnerships pale in comparisons to what publishers / developers make from sales. It's possible some PO'd Lead programmer made it worse on purpose but highly unlikely. It would definitely not be a decision by the heads of the studio.

[Rebel_Scum]

Wouldnt be hard for a dev to actually find what code was merged for a specific feature and by whom though.

[anubusgold]

Yes they do NBA live on saturn vs ps1 looked like trash untill people complained and they released a version that looked alot better on saturn. Developers wont try if they can get away with it.

[slowgamer]

I have tried and compared. And dlss is just better. No need to say that nvidia made it worse than amd fsr

[LordoftheCritics]

DLSS is just better in every game.

HZD DLSS like really outshines fsr.

[darksky]

They also made the rasterized lighting look far worse than it should be. It's like half of the areas have extra spot lights to make everything look lighter so RT in comparison looks realistic. Nvidia sponsored so to be expected.

[MarkyMark89]

I find every game with RT effects in abundance, really make you realize just how fake and terrible lighting is in most games. This game and Metro are the first two that pop to my head, you play the game without RTX features on and its bland, looks just like everything else on the market, then you turn them on, and the worlds just become something else entirely. This is why RT is the future !!!

[Bladesfist]

People say that when ever any game has realtime day - night cycles and the lighting looks bad compared to RT. Metro Exodus, Cyberpunk 2077 and now Dying Light. Anyone who knows anything about lighting will understand that realtime ray tracing will look better in games with realtime lighting as RT can't be baked into shadow maps and games have to rely on light probe solutions to approximate realtime lighting which is a whole lot of work to make it look as natural as RT.

This is a case of easy to implement lighting solution that is based on the physics of real light works better at realtime lighting due to it's realtime nature.

[Viljong]

Low quality nvidia sponsored shitshow this game is. I suggest every next gen console owner try to get refund. How they ported the console version is laughable or would be if you didnt pay full price for it. Flickering buggy mess the game is. It bugs so hard console is messed up for a short time even after you close the game dashboard get artifacts. When gaming its constant to cut sound and picture for a sec and do this alot. No to mention other bugs. They optimized series s so well its performing same as last grn ps4 pro. 1080p 30fps. And guess no HDR either. Series x 1080p 60+something fps and they call this a feature when players without vrr tvs get screen tearing. They are arrogant about the fact they didnt have the staff to properly optimize the game and then blaming hardware when there are plenty of better looking open world games performing properly. This game should have amd fsr for consoles but it doesnt even have hdr.

[one2thr]

Wow I thought the flickering was a feature in Hard mode as I thought it was Aiden blinking to be more immersive lol

[Viljong]

I was wondering how they support every nvidia made application but dont have basic HDR available, so this explains alot.

[boing1]

This is BS.

[seanpitt23]

Yeah 1080p 60 on ps5 xbsx is laughable…

[mastershredder]

Former dev says. Mhmm. Hoo-ha typically has no control and lashes out at what they don’t control or grasp. The only intentional here is the butt-hurt trying to spark controversy.

[Binarycode]

I have an AMD GPU, But DLSS is better and provides better framerates while maintaining good iq imo.

[moomoo319]

Odd because I read a technical review and the writer said he preferred the AMD FSR solution in this game

[CrimsonIdol]

FSR has a sharpening filter applied to the entire image to try and mask the loss of quality often noticed between FSR and DLSS. It's not at all accurate to the original non-scaled image but people can find it more pleasing to look at.

It's also especially helpful when you're uploading a heavily crushed comparison JPEG online as the JPEG compression algorithm rightfully weights it's compression ratios by luminosity contrast rather than colour detail meaning the FSR sharpened image ends up with a larger file size, though still at a miniscule 265kb which is pretty inappropriate for trying to gauge actual fidelity of an image with 3.5 million pixels in it.

[ocelot07]

I wouldn't be surprised if this was true.

Remember Nvidia gameworks? Pretty much all game that had this ran so bad on AMD cards.

[frayed]

This story makes little sense. It could be the best implementation of FSR ever and it's still always going to be technically inferior to a Machine Learning solution for reconstructing detail. That doesn't mean it will always look worse, because at high resolutions and quality settings a spatial upscale on top of TAA will give good results, but all in all FSR has far less to lose from a bad implementation than techniques like DLSS. DLSS requires more inputs to get it right. Spatial upscalers like FSR can be implemented at driver level, or applied on top, by anyone, for results that are about as good as it will ever get. Basically, sure you could mess up the settings (not including the ultra high quality mode), but the ability to apply that kind of spatial upscaling is already there for users. But users with cards that support ML reconstruction - which will generally provide way better results with less data because that's what it's designed to do (hallucinate detail than doesn't exist at lower resolutions and lower quality settings) - have no way to add it themselves and therefore depend on the devs to implement it well.