Immersion Offers to Rumble PS3

If Sony and Immersion can mend fences soon enough, maybe things may shake after all. Many were surprised to hear that the PlayStation 3 controller would not support a rumble feature, as it has become an expected part of the modern gaming experience. Both the Xbox 360 and the Nintendo Wii support the technology, meaning Sony's console will be the only next-gen system without a rumble-enabled controller.

Sony's explanation for the feature's absence is that the vibration interferes with new motion-sensing technology being implemented into the controller. But this claim conflicts with news from developer Immersion, who has just finished work on a new vibration effect that can function alongside motion-sensing features.

Says Immersion: "The new TouchSense technology is compatible with motion control and tilt-sensing to allow players to control certain game actions by moving or tilting a handheld controller. Because the speed at which a user moves the controller is much slower than the frequencies generated by TouchSense technology, the two signals can be differentiated using filtering and other techniques. Immersion also offers engineering services to implement the technology within a particular console system."

[TheXgamerLive]

Not gonna happen :)) Remember, Microsoft owns a big chunck of immersion now. Dont think so, maybe sony can just have them shake there controllers really hard while playing:))

[Marty8370]

M$ owns about 10% hardly a big chunk,so it could happen.

[Cyclonus]

you should be banned for filling the whole page with SH!T. spamming is just as bad what that cvnt ssj is doing.

[bernie]

"Mending fences?", remember its a 90 million dollar fence, I also think Sony giving 10% of the cost of every joypad to Microsoft will make this an impossibilty.

[THAMMER1]

It was fatal for sony to drop rumble.

[kingboy]

To hell with them..3rd party support rumble all day babyyy!

[FeralPhoenix]

This is my only problem with Sony, for some reason when it comes to the PS-PS3 they are far too arrogant, I would respect them more if they would just be honest with the public and say that they dropped the rumble feature becuase it is an ongoing legal matter, (thats business)instead of lying or using smoke and mirrors to say that it conflicts with motion sensing, yes I know in fact it does but Sony could have easily used its resources and come up with a solution, from what I've read the technology is really simple compared to other gaming hardware aspects....so for Sony to act as if it is nearly immpossible for them is Wii-diculous.

[joemutt]

"People dont really need vibrations"

"They wont miss it"

"They will forget all about it in a year."

I wont because I already have rumble in my next gen controller.

[OutLaw]

I know it looks like alot of money for Sony to pay with the lawsuit. But it really wasn't. They just want to prove a point like usual. But the ones who get punished here are the fans who are paying all that money for the system. People should be writing Sony, to cut the crap and put the rumble feature in or lower the price of the system.

[kingboy]

yea and without them we will still play...to hell with them.sony better look for another company to rumble our games later.They now on the net indirectly begging for sony to rumble with them..sorry u just lost ur major client

[achira]

i on my side dont need this rumble feature. i always played without it. it has an advantage: the baterry lifetime will be longer !!! so why do you need rumble (its use is very exeggerated by the most people)??? but i think sony will make a deal with them.

[OutLaw]

I'm not saying if you want it or not. I'm saying isn't it about time Sony just thinks about their fans instead of the other companies. They could put the rumble in and I know it's not a big deal. But if your going to pay $500 to $600. You should get everything they could do with the system.

[HyperBear]

Yea, it would be neat if they could put that TouchSensitive rumble thing into the PS3, but it probably wont happen, unless sony wants to give M$ money everytime they sell a controller with rumble in it, which will probably be Sony's last resort.

[SjaakHaas]

The problem with Third party controllers is that not all developpers will make use of it. Because they keep using the original functions for the original PS3 controller. Developers know that people are using the original controllers without rumble, so they won't make games with rumble. Espesialy when only a small group uses 3rd party controllers.

[The BS Police]

I can' play anymore games without the Rumble feature now! So I think getting the rumble feature back would be a good thing on Sony's part!

[gokuss122002]

Just imagine playing Warhawk,(just an example)
and all of a sudden in the middle of flying, you get shot from the back: Now with the motion sensing and the "new rumble" it would be the most realistic experience 'cause the rumble would affect the motion sensing appropiately.

[OutLaw]

Thats why Sony should put their pride on the side and do whats best for the fans. In the long run it makes them look better. People could say we spoke and Sony listen.

[gokuss122002]

My bad

[sonyISgod]

It all fine by me, I had never notice the fumble features anyways. Sometime I think I would be better off without rumble. But is cool got have extra, the only peoples that would disagree on the subject of it being to have an extra would be the 360 fans. They hate extra, they don't like extra. They rather have no extra than get extra. I know they are just sad, but that is true. They are bunch of sad and pathetic peoples on this planet. ahhahah lol

[joemutt]

But we know you do. Deep down you are turning red with anger knowing the console, which you cant afford, will not have rumble.

Why are you talking about the 360? It has rumble, you shouldnt even bring up the 360, it makes your point look so miniscule, grow up.

Whatever sony cuts from its PS3, you say you didnt even want it in the first place. It happened with 2xHDMI, it happened with rumble, it happened with all the stuff they took out of the cheap PS3, it happened with the spring launch, you said you didnt need a PS3 right then, you were still busy with your PS2. If they cut out the Blu-Ray, you would say it wasnt any good anyways.

Tell me which part of this is untrue, or you, SonyIsGod, are the one that is sad.

[achira]

answer: the whole part is untrue.

[Marriot VP]

could happen, but very unlikely. Think about them having to launch in 6 months and they don't can't even fit the dev kit into the case. Bad news for supply.

[Wotbot]

How may more times must we listen to Sony's Bullsh#t. The rumble feature wasn't implemented because it interferes with the new sensing technology.

Its so funny how no developers new about this new sensing technology until just before e3.

Sony had to deliver some thing other than the dual shock controller the ps2 had, only with out the rumble feature.

So they through in the sensing feature to prove to everyone they are still focused on sh#t.

I like games, but Sony make it hard to swallow the ps3 will so much bull.

Also it shows a lack of confidence. Do they know what their doing. It seems they are just changing sh#t as they go along. No real direction.

[sonyISgod]

"But we know you do. Deep down you are turning red with anger knowing the console, which you cant afford, will not have rumble."

Actually I'm not, because Rumble is not really an issue when the games is great. When playing Back than in the SuperNintendo and Sega and PSX, We didn't have rumble and the game played were still great. Rumble will be miss but it will also will be forgotten.

"It happened with 2xHDMI"

The reason Sony took 1 HDMI off because of too much complaint from Fans, especially 360 fans.

"it happened with all the stuff they took out of the cheap PS3"

For the cheap PS3, you have a choice to get the 600$ one or just upgrade later on. PSX magazine had reasonly interview with sony, Saying that the hdmi port will also be upgradable by adator.

"you were still busy with your PS2"

PS2 still got good games going fot it, for an example "God of War 2" and "Final Fantasy XII" thoes are a great titles that I can't wait upon on, and oh yah I almost for got I also waiting on .Hack//G.U. Vol. 1 and Vol. 2 on the PS2.

"If they cut out the Blu-Ray, you would say it wasnt any good anyways."

If Sony were to cut the blu-ray out, than I would be extreamly piss at them for doing so. I do not wanted to change disc during game play anymore. ANd I would like to see an gigantic games for the firt party PS3 games. For an Exaple Warhawk and Dark Kingdom will be a gigantic games from what I heard so far from the developers.

[Alexander]

Sony said that they got rid of it due to it interfering with the motion sensing, it they could now include it they will. Nice bullsh*t they came up with, again.

And they took out the 2x HDMI becuase xbox fans were moaning??? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Shadow Flare]

Rumble is plain wicked. There are certain games where you just NEED rumble, so i hope they bring it back

I think that phil, the big doofus shouldnt have made up some crappy excuse as why they dont have rumble, cos anyone can tell thats a lie. Personally, i dont care if sony lies cos ALL companies do and sony has given me a great gaming experience, but this was just plain stupid

phil, get your head out the clouds, (literally) you big lanked up beanpole

[AuburnTiger]

If you really "Need" the rumble feature, you could turn up the bass in your home theater.

[PS360PCROCKS]

LMAO! Hahah like "SOnyIsgod" turning it up so loud to try and make to rumble he blows his speakers and than just like his video "PWNED" he'll go to school the next day and shoot people

[Cyclonus]

I hope thats sarcasm, cause thats a pretty stupid comment. Rumble has NOTHING to do with a subwoofer's LFE. How lame is it gonna be when you're playing R6: Vegas, and you feel nothing when you're firing a Machine gun, or to not have a tactile feedback when you're getting shot in Resistance....tilt cant tell you sh*t

On topic, Immersion and Sony are involved in a $90 million lawsuit; Sony lost, so PS3 will NOT have rumble. At least not from Immersion.

Thats the REAL reason rumble isnt in for PS3, Sony's not allowed to use it.

[sonyISgod]

This is what I said
"The reason Sony took 1 HDMI off because of too much complaint from Fans, especially 360 fans."

"FANS"

Lear how to read next time before posting some stupid comment.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

that makes no sense.

the PS3 lost it's HDMI because it would have made it even more overpriced. a $700 price tag would have killed them.

[Twist96]

I will start by saying I like Xbox 360 more than Wii, and far more than PS3. So there you go. But these are my reasons why.

Blu-ray. Sony's big selling point. But the implementation is so flawed.

If you buy the cheaper PS3, you can't have a HDMI (true Hi-def) port on the PS3, with no way to upgrade. Now, the b!tch of this, is a thing called Image Constraint Technology, or ICT, implemented on future HD disks, designed to crackdown on piracy. Put simply, if the Disk is not running through a HDMI port, the image quality is downgraded, even it is another type of Hi-Def port, like the one on 360. It HAS to be HDMI. Now, HD offers 4x the quality of current television pictures- well guess what- the ICT means the picture quality will be downgraded 4x. Yep, current-gen DVD quality, from a Hi-def disk, even it's on a Hi-Def TV. Sure, it not coming for an other few years- but kinda defies the point of "future-proof technology", doesn't it?

Of course, the more expensive PS3 can play it, with it's HDMI port. But it's a rip for those who buy the cheaper PS3, which is one, even if parents can look past the value of Wii and 360, the parents will buy.

Another obvious point is that no one can truly take advantage of it without a Hi-Def TV. A few lines might be clearer here or there, but playing it on Stantard Def TV will not look much better than DVD. There is a saturation point that can be reached on SDTV in terms of picture quality, and really, Hi-Def movies are for Hi-Def TVs.

So in other words, to take advantage of Hi-def movie playback which Sony is promising "great value" on, you'll in fact have to buy the more expensive PS3 and the HDTV. Seriously people, a PS3, $599 USD, a $1000+ HDTV, $60 games...the price is rediculous to take advantage of the "value" on movie playback Sony is promising. And let me say this now-the Blu-ray playback is the only "perk" Sony has over the competetion- the games are the same, rly. And don't get me started on the UK equivelant price. And dont forget, even though Sony is offering value on the Blu-ray player (which fair enough, it is, as long as the quality stands up), its making money on the HDTVs it sells to play them on! Not to mention the movie studios Sony owns that are making profit on Bluray. Oh, and hasten not to mention- the movies are gonna be about $30, or £25, each. And Sony claims it has great support over HD-DVD- the list for Blu-ray counts to about one or two studios' support over HDDVD- but three of those studios are Sony owned! So in fact, HD-DVD has the most third party support.

The hype about the graphics is crap- I think we all know the truth behind that now, they are most definatly comparable to 360, no question. the 3rd party, multiplatform games will look the same anyway, so it's down to the exclusives, and quite frankly, 360, by far, has the edge.

The PS2 had success with it's DVD Feature- but DVD was already an established format by then, and PS2 just capatilised on iut. Blu Ray is different, Bu-ray is unproven. The method Sony is trying is to shove Blu-ray down the throats of Playstation consumers, so that other Sony departments- such as those in HDTVs and Movies- will benefit.

Now, down to the Controller- an obivious rip of Nintendo. I don't care if they say "it was in development for 2 years"- Dont give me that, how come it wasn't in the controller last year? Hm? Honestly, Sony's lies.... Ken probably wrote it on the back of a cigarette packet along with virtual reality and whatever what-not he was fantasising about a few years ago, then he dug it out again after Nintendo's nunchuck annocenment, just so he can "Sony has had this idea for 2 years". Please. Also, the implementation is shoddy- being still a joystick, the control is all in the wrist, unlike Nintendo's set-up, which lets you use your whole arm, therefore Sony's controller will be damn uncofortable to use, IMO. Trying twisting a Dual Shock 2 (the design hasn't changed ) around for a few minutes, up and down at ninety degress, left to right etc...also consider the controller will likely be slightly heavier due to the build in wireless sensing equipment...THEN try and imagine controlling a game like this. Good lord. You saw that Sony rep "controlling" Warhawk in the presentation- he crashed into several pillars, etc...no way do they have this refined. Two years MY ASS. Also, note the "Guide Button".....RIP.

For some reason, Sony fanboys have been harping on about downloading Music and Movies like it's an exclusive PS3 online thing- you can do that on 360 as well, things such as "Artist of the Month". And when he says "movies", don't think of anything more than what 360 has on LIVE- think about it, a "full-length" HD movie, by Blu-ray and HD-DVD standards, should be about 30-60gb, a great chunk, if not of the Hard Drive Sony offers, so don't think of downloading anything of the epic movie length proportions, and certainly nothing more than what Mircosoft are offering right now.

Also, an Internet browser, the ability to add any Hard Drive, and the Linux OS are all big mistakes...think about it. There are already viruses developed for Linux, as with any operating system. There will PS3-player orientated websites, appeling to those who go online with their PS3. They could stick any old Linux virus on there, and BOOM- firmware destroyed. Adding any drive will allow any wannabe hacker to put his files on with ease- 360 requires something far more extensive, thereby reducing the risk. It happened with PSP, it will happen with PS3- except it will fcuk over hardware thats even more expensive. Thank god for 360's closed Internet and firmware.

Now, to the games- MGS4 is the ONE killer game for PS3. That's all. Possibly The Getaway, as I liked that game, even thougyh others didn't. Killzone 2, the CGI was nice, but does anyone remember the first Killzone, and it's "Halo-beating", shoddy gameplay? The 360 has more killer games- Halo 3, FNR3, MotoGP06, Oblivion, GRAW & Gears Of War, IMO. Development also, is so much eaiser for 360 than PS3, as reported by many devs.

As for Japanese sales of 360- I swear they are rasict. I believe some have quoted as saying Xbox is too "American" and sticking with their own brands. What a joke. It's not like we do the same for Nintendo and Sony.

I'm telling you, the only reason people will get PS3 is because they are promised "next-gen move playback", and because of the Playstation name. I also have the opinion that people will buy it on the premise "more expensive must mean it's better". I seriously think they are going to get soscrewed over by Sony. That is why I like what MS has done with HD-DVD. They released in a way that only those who can take advantage of it can buy it, and the rest who can't don't have to. It makes the console cheaper, which is fantastic. PS3 forces expensive technology into homes using its Playstation brand, just to make profits on another Hi-def hardware sectors. Whatever profit loss they are making with PS3 will be made up for by the Hi-Def sectors, in time forvided they can force that Hi-def success.

Wii is truly a beast of a machine. Any complaints about graphics are so made up for by it's gameplay. That controller is a stroke of genius, and so much better implemented than Sony's hafhazard attempt at motion sensing (can anyone say "Arthritis?"). I think Mayamoto was right when he wanted Nintendo to keep things close to their chest about aspects of Wii- Now look what has happened, SONY.

And the end of the day, its Wii60 for me- anyone agree?

Or disagree? o_0

[Shadow Flare]

your comment was WAY too long. I just didnt bother reading it. Keep them shorter dude then people will read them geez...

I'll some your comment up in one sentance though:

Blu-ray's chances are better than HD-DVD:

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/...

[achira]

its getting boring to read this long fary tail invented by xbox fanboy. pleas dont copy and paste this fary tails any more, it shows only how dumb you are.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

Twist, you are make more sense than 99% of people here. I totally agree.

and achira, your inability to spell makes you look dumb. when was the last time you even made a relevant point?

Shadow Flare- How can you sum up a comment you have not read, you dumba$$. He said Bluray/PS3 is going to have ICT issues in their current configuration.

[AuburnTiger]

Dang that's a long post!! Anyways, as far as price goes, you have around 5 months to save for the $1660 that your saying, that's only $166 bucks from every paycheck. Or you can bust out the credit card.

Also if you can afford to buy a 360 then dammit you can get a ps3. An extra $200 bucks ain't but a thang these days.

[Joe Schmoe]

Bring back the rumble

[Twist96]

That ain't no fairy tale, biatch.

[shaneblades]

As for Japanese sales of 360- I swear they are rasict. I believe some have quoted as saying Xbox is too "American" and sticking with their own brands. What a joke. It's not like we do the same for Nintendo and Sony.

yes they r saying that to be racist your a moron have you ever thought it is because they dont like the games because they r too american japanese people like some wierd games

the rest of your comment r so stupid oh and ps3 will only have mgs 4 what about ff13 and wow gt5 dmc4 i mean i could go on forever the list is too long oh and all the 360 games besides oblivion suck graphically as well doa4 is not impressive at all i know because i own a 360 and have played all these games so i can voice my opinion with knowledge you obviously know nothing about the ps3 or its games and just throw a bunch of crap out there to try and look smart but really just show off your take it in the a$$ fan boy attitude with all that other crap of why not to have a blu ray player for a 100 measily extra bucks than the 360 and a 40 gb hard drive adv thats worth the extra 100 in itself

[THELANDSOFSAND]

gta5 is coming to 360 with exclusive content, dmc4 is also rumored to be coming to 360.

[shaneblades]

wow is for world of warcraft yes coming to ps3 oh and the only reason why a lot of those crappy games that you have right now r exclusive to the x 360 is because the ps3 was not out yet plus that extra money will be given back through free online not 13 dollars a month

[THELANDSOFSAND]

and why do you think PS3 isn't out yet?

[Shadow Flare]

...because it hasnt launched yet

and please stop using that pointless arguement

[Twist96]

"japanese people like some wierd games"

Now THAT's a rasict comment.

"the rest of your comment r so stupid"

How's that?

"oh and ps3 will only have mgs 4 what about ff13 and wow gt5 dmc4"

Please. Final Fantasy hasn't changed since FF7. Gran Tourismo? I'll have my PGR and MotoGP, thank you very much. Devil May Cry? Oh, thats an AMAZING game. If that game series was meant to be Resident Evil 4 when it was in development, then I'd rather have Resi 5, thank you very much.

"i mean i could go on forever the list is too long oh"

GRAW, Oblivion, Gears Of War, PGR3, Condemmed, Fight Night Round 3...."i mean i could go on forever the list is so long OH"

"and all the 360 games besides oblivion suck graphically"

GRAW, Fight Night Round 3 and MotoGP06 DO NOT suck graphically, thankyouverymuch. Stick to your Killzone 2 CGI if you must. Maybe we'll have graphics like that in the PS9, if Sony lasts that long.

"as well doa4 is not impressive at all"

Why do you mention that game? It's alright, but....

"i know because i own a 360 and have played all these games so i can voice my opinion with knowledge"

What's your Gamertag?

"you obviously know nothing about the ps3 or its games"

Oh yes I do. Just because the truth hurts and you have no arguement against it.
"and just throw a bunch of crap out there to try and look smart"

Really? So the ICT, Sony lying, the no-upgrade Core version of PS3 and all that, you think I made it up? Maybe you should watch the press conference again, Sony did MASSIVE DAMAGE to their franchise.

"but really just show off your take it in the a$$ fan boy attitude with all that other crap"

All that other RESEARCHED crap. :-)

"of why not to have a blu ray player for a 100 measily extra bucks"

Maybe you should read my article again. Sony are a corperation, they make profit on the Hi-def TV's and the Blu-ray disks they sell from Sony's movie studios, which eaisly recoup the loss from the Blu-ray player. Besides, there's no proof that the HD DVD drive for 360 will cost more than a 100 bucks anyway.

"wow is for world of warcraft yes coming to ps3"

Source please.

"oh and the only reason why a lot of those crappy games that you have right now r exclusive to the x 360 is because the ps3 was not out yet"

Funny, how come Bethesda have clearly stated that they have no plans to ship Oblivion to the PS3? Hm?

Although you have a point, thats why we're getting Splinter Cell Double Agent first! ;-D

"plus that extra money will be given back through free online not 13 dollars a month"

It's not 13 dollars a month, n00b. It's the price of a game A YEAR, and thats what, 50 dollars? A YEAR, and thats for a good, secure service not is not open to virsus and hidden charges from 3rd party servers. Even if you get your World of Warcraft, NO COMPANY can get a server for free.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

shaneblades, just wait until you find out how much sony will be charging to play games online. It isn't going to be free. hahaha.

but you can't afford it anyway.

[Cyclonus]

'"japanese people like some wierd games"

Now THAT's a rasict comment.'

No its not. They really do like wierd stuff, and not just games.
The Japanese actually read 'Hentai' porn on their train rides to work, like you or I would read the New York Times!!
look at a movie, manga, or play a game from Japan and you'll see just how bizarre a lot of it is.Remember, these are the people who invented "Tentacle Rape".....I think those bombs we dropped back in '45 scrambled their eggs some.

[THE TRUTH]

Sony has made 2 generation dominating console, there track record if phenominal thus far..

With that in mind, I personally feel rumble is overrated, I'm not saying it's not a good feature but what really matters most to are the games. Rumble is a gimmick feature just like motion sensors. I don't see Sony paying M$ everytime they sell a controller, that is just dumb buisness. I could careless if Sony "lies" because 99% of companies do the same. Think of everything you own and what was promised when you first bought it..... When you go into a store do you always think about the company behind every product you buy? I just want Great games, with or without rumble. Rumble = 0 if the games aren't great and that is the bottomline.

[Shadow]

>>>Please. Final Fantasy hasn't changed since FF7. Gran Tourismo? I'll have my PGR and MotoGP, thank you very much. Devil May Cry? Oh, thats an AMAZING game. If that game series was meant to be Resident Evil 4 when it was in development, then I'd rather have Resi 5, thank you very much.

Personal opinion, however.

Final Fantasy X sold more games than Halo 2. (7.9 million to 7.2 million). It should also be noted that besides Halo, Halo 2, and Splinter Cell, the first Devil May Cry outsold every game on the X-Box. So I guess capcom and Square-Enix have to be doing something right. Even if you don't like the games, its quite apparent that a lot of people do.

It also should be noted, that Gran Turismo 4 has sold more than PGR and MotoGp (which isn't a MS exclusive) combined.

>>>GRAW, Fight Night Round 3 and MotoGP06 DO NOT suck graphically, thankyouverymuch. Stick to your Killzone 2 CGI if you must. Maybe we'll have graphics like that in the PS9, if Sony lasts that long.

MGS4's graphics look amazing, especially considering graphics weren't the primary aim of Kojima. We know the PS3 is capable of Gears of War, just look at the pictures of Unreal

<<<SNIPPED the childish arguing>>>

>>>Really? So the ICT, Sony lying, the no-upgrade Core version of PS3 and all that, you think I made it up? Maybe you should watch the press conference again, Sony did MASSIVE DAMAGE to their franchise.

First-off, the X-Box 360 does not have an HDMI port either, so even with the HD-DVD add-on, it won't be able to play HD movies if the ICT goes into effect. So really, what is there to lose? Especially considering $400 premium 360 +$100 HD upgrade = $500 base PS3.

>>>Maybe you should read my article again. Sony are a corperation, they make profit on the Hi-def TV's and the Blu-ray disks they sell from Sony's movie studios, which eaisly recoup the loss from the Blu-ray player. Besides, there's no proof that the HD DVD drive for 360 will cost more than a 100 bucks anyway.

There's no proof it won't be either. (Although, the fact that current HD drives are expensive sort of points towards the expensive side.)

>>>Funny, how come Bethesda have clearly stated that they have no plans to ship Oblivion to the PS3? Hm?

Funny how Kojima has no plans to ship MGS4 to 360? Hm? Its a red herring, since its a console exclusive! Duh!

>>>It's not 13 dollars a month, n00b. It's the price of a game A YEAR, and thats what, 50 dollars? A YEAR, and thats for a good, secure service not is not open to virsus and hidden charges from 3rd party servers. Even if you get your World of Warcraft, NO COMPANY can get a server for free.

So PS3 gains another $50 on the 360?

Premium 360: $400
HD-DVD drive: $100
Online for a year: $50

Total: $550
PS3 Premium: $600

This is starting to get close here. Add the fact that the PS3 has a bigger HDD, and an HDMI port, and well, it doesn't seem like such a bargain.

[THELANDSOFSAND]

Only sonys basic online service is going to be free. The extra cost of the PS3 is tied to blu ray, not HD or HDMI. And if you every want to upgrade your PS3 hard drive, you will need to break it open, unscrew everything and swap the drives over with a generic PC HD. I don't think many 12 year olds will be doing that. The 360 one just slots on and off at the top- I can pop it off, take it to a friends house and enjoy all my MP3's, videos, saves and demos. Oh, and there is a 360 price-cut coming for the PS3 launch.

[Twist96]

"Personal opinion, however."

Very true.

Final Fantasy X sold more games than Halo 2. (7.9 million to 7.2 million).

Final Fantasy X has been out since 2001, Halo 2 since 2004. In addition, Xbox has not been popular in Japan, where Final Fantasy would have sold in spades. So...

"It should also be noted that besides Halo, Halo 2, and Splinter Cell, the first Devil May Cry outsold every game on the X-Box."

Source please. And again, that game has been out sinc 2001, plus the Japan fanbase etc.

"So I guess capcom and Square-Enix have to be doing something right. Even if you don't like the games, its quite apparent that a lot of people do."

Japanese people, yes.

"It also should be noted, that Gran Turismo 4 has sold more than PGR and MotoGp (which isn't a MS exclusive) combined."

Again, I'd like sources on those sales. In this case however, I believe you. Yet again, Gran Tourismo 4 has out since 2004, whereas PGR3 has been out since late 2005 and Motogp06, well...last week. Go figure.

"MGS4's graphics look amazing, especially considering graphics weren't the primary aim of Kojima. We know the PS3 is capable of Gears of War, just look at the pictures of Unreal."

I know that. MGS4 is the main reason for a PS3. But do you remember when Hideo said it could be done on 360? SNAP. As for Gears of War on PS3, it could, i'd bet, as the machines are about the same.

"First-off, the X-Box 360 does not have an HDMI port either, so even with the HD-DVD add-on, it won't be able to play HD movies if the ICT goes into effect."

Ah, but it is more than likely that the HDMI port will be released ON the HDDVD drive itself.

"So really, what is there to lose? Especially considering $400 premium 360 +$100 HD upgrade = $500 base PS3. "

Ummm....you get the Hard Drive free with 360 premium.

"There's no proof it won't be either. (Although, the fact that current HD drives are expensive sort of points towards the expensive side.)"

Fair enough, we'll see.

"Funny how Kojima has no plans to ship MGS4 to 360? Hm? Its a red herring, since its a console exclusive! Duh! "

So why do you mention Gears of War being capale on PS3? In addition, that was a rebuttal to another person's arguement.

"So PS3 gains another $50 on the 360?
Premium 360: $400
HD-DVD drive: $100
Online for a year: $50
Total: $550
PS3 Premium: $600"

YOU GET THE HARDDRIVE FREE WITH 360 PREMIUM. So it's more like $450. That is, I also doubt that servers can be got for free. Sony are leaving in the hands of the devs', so while Sony won't charge, which is what they've been pointing out, the games companines will.

"This is starting to get close here. Add the fact that the PS3 has a bigger HDD, and an HDMI port, and well, it doesn't seem like such a bargain."

That's only on the premium. $599? versus $450 for 360. Plus we don't know of the hidden charges for PS3, if any.

[Shadow]

>>>Final Fantasy X has been out since 2001, Halo 2 since 2004. In addition, Xbox has not been popular in Japan, where Final Fantasy would have sold in spades. So...

Actually, Final Fantasy is not as popular in Japan as Dragon Quest (which is most often seen as the better game in Japan). So where does that leave Final Fantasy? Take a guess.

Then lets compare it to Halo, hmmm, which sold even fewer...

>>>Source please.

Wikipedia best selling games list. And before you question its validity, I ask you to post on wikipedia questioning it. You'll get a much more informed response there.

>>>Japanese people, yes.

Red herring. The games in-question tended to sell better to Western Audiences.

>>>Again, I'd like sources on those sales. In this case however, I believe you. Yet again, Gran Tourismo 4 has out since 2004, whereas PGR3 has been out since late 2005 and Motogp06, well...last week. Go figure.

I was actually referring to the earlier MotoGP games (which, funnily enough appear on PS2 as well...)
>>>But do you remember when Hideo said it could be done on 360? SNAP.

Ah, how this quote tends to be taken out of context. Yes, he did say he could make MGS4 for 360. That means relatively nothing. He made MGS2 for X-Box, and it was utter rubbish with downgraded graphics and it chugged along horribley with some onscreen effects. Just because you can make a game for another console doesn't in any way imply that it will be just as good for that console.

>>>As for Gears of War on PS3, it could, i'd bet, as the machines are about the same.

That remains to be seen, since we still don't have any information on the RSX GPU.

>>>Ah, but it is more than likely that the HDMI port will be released ON the HDDVD drive itself.

Not likely, there would be a lot of problems sending the data-stream from the HD-DVD to the 360, then sending the data stream back to the HD-DVD drive to output via HDMI. Its questionable if the data stream would even allow playback to the 360 with the ICT parameters.

"So really, what is there to lose? Especially considering $400 premium 360 +$100 HD upgrade = $500 base PS3. "

>>>Ummm....you get the Hard Drive free with 360 premium.

HD = High Definition, sorry I wasn't clearer there, but it should be pretty simple to discern.

>>>So why do you mention Gears of War being capale on PS3? In addition, that was a rebuttal to another person's arguement.

Because it was a pointless question to be honest.

>>>YOU GET THE HARDDRIVE FREE WITH 360 PREMIUM. So it's more like $450. That is, I also doubt that servers can be got for free. Sony are leaving in the hands of the devs', so while Sony won't charge, which is what they've been pointing out, the games companines will.

"This is starting to get close here. Add the fact that the PS3 has a bigger HDD, and an HDMI port, and well, it doesn't seem like such a bargain."

HD as in HD-DVD drive. Oh, and the premium PS3 has a bigger HDD (hard disk drive), so until MS comes out with a bigger drive, you'll have to buy that as well.

>>>That's only on the premium. $599? versus $450 for 360. Plus we don't know of the hidden charges for PS3, if any.

Exactly, if any. However, playing for an online MMORPG is definitely in an entire different area than playing for some online FPS games. An MMORPG requires a constant online world with servers constantly running. Most current FPS games can run adequately without a constant server, and even when on a constant server, don't require the same constant attention that upkeep of an MMO does.

Now, if you'd like to continue this discussion, just let me know, and I will gladly continue through email.

[shoota33]

Stop posting your super xbox 1.5 fanboy comments no one cares about your dreams

[The Real Deal]

I hope they do get the rumble feature put back in the controller. Microsoft gets paid off of every sony playstaition controller that has rumble since they own part of immersion. I think the ps3 should have licensed live anywhere on their ps3's too. Then every gamer can play together on a proven online network. But no...sony doesn't want to pay for rumble...they don't want to pay for live anywhere and they don't want to pay toshiba for the dve and hd dvd formatt. Thats why sony does things their way even if its not the popular proven way. And thats where they have gone wrong this time around.

[96impala]

the 360 controller is the greatest one ever....

[user9422077]

awesome!