Microsoft hosted its quarterly financial conference call for investors and analysts and CEO Satya Nadella and CFO Amy Hood talked about the Xbox business.
Isn't it free to play? The player count sounds great, but how does it compare to the other F2P titles, like Fortnite and the like?
It sounds like they’re referring to the Halo campaign - which is not free to play. Forza Horizon 5 is definitely not free to play. But the numbers make sense, if they have 25 mil Game Pass subscribers, you can probably assume most GP subscribers are going to try out the big games like Halo and Forza.
Forza is free to play as well i didnt pay for any of them on game pass .
I only saw mention of over 20million in other words somewhere between 20-21million players on halo infinite. They did not distinguish at all between campaign and multiplayer.
@anubisgold Where did you get game pass for free? They currently bill me for it. @Crows90 I assume they mean campaign. It’s only ~2 million more than Forza which is not free to play and the numbers line up with how many subscribers game pass has.
Hey, Anubus, where are you getting your free game pass subscription?
I'm not gonna lie I thought MS hid the Halo Infinite numbers because they weren't so great. Which would of been weird considering the hype around the game and the great reviews. It looks like MS was just waiting for its financial quarters. Glad to see Halo do big numbers player counts and Forza is just on top of it still even after being out for 3 months. More proof that MS bigger games will be fine in the long haul.
No way Halo Infinite Campaign sold 20 million, it's counting free 2 play on Xbox and PC, FH 5 is on gamepass too. Neither would sell 10 million that quick at $60 a pop
Visceral89 -Youre joking right....no shiii, thats one of the reasons games go on Gamepass, to quckly gain a high player count, they are not focused on individual per unit sales, Halo MP for instance being f2p can sell those cosmetics to a much, much larger playerbase day one and so on. You guys gotta get out more, theres more to sales these days than the traditional unit sales. Good to see 2 great games being enjoyed by so many gamers...well deserved high numbers.
@ Orchard From the xbox live gold cards you can transfer into a year of game pass, let me see i got for free this year MLB the show 70 dollars, Back 4 blood 60 dollars, Halo 60 dollars, Forza 60 dollars , Psychonauts 2 50 dollars, jedi fallen order 60 dollars, Age of empires 4 60 and i paid nothing this year because i transfered my gold account over to gamepass for 1 dollar thats cheaper than 420 dollars. PlayStation cant compete withs its 70 dollar games what a joke.
@Visceral89 You forget the days when halo would come out and make 600 to 800 million dollars in 3 days.
How many hours did they play is the main stat needed
It's my understanding these numbers refer to launch or shortly after, be Interesting to see current numbers
Free 2 play and Halo and forza made the top 20 sold list last year with only a month to sell in .
Why would Halo, on two platforms, be able to compete with Fortnite, on every current console + PC + mobile
Well yeah, obviously you would only compare like-for-like platforms.
20m is great numbers for the first two months, IMHO.
After using my Microsoft reward points for gamepass it feels like I got Halo-infinite for free 🙌
Even though I installed it from GP, I still bought it because I wanted it on physical with the steelbook. So Im double dipping on this one.
You did get it for free these salty ponys are mad some of got several years of gamepass for cheap with the left over gold cards you can still find for cheap and transfer them over . I still have a few 12 month gold cards at my local gas station and i will buy 1 for me and one for my nephew so we will have game pass for awhile more.
How does comparing the player count of fortnite, a 5 year old game to Halo Infinite, a 2 month old game make any sense?
If its free to play then the fluff is strong with this article. If they paid to play it, then wouldn't this make gamepass a more expensive way to game? You pay a monthly for gamepass, plus an additional occasional game would come out to more money than you would pay if you only picked what you wanted and paid for it. I mean I guess gamepass would make sense if you are playing a ton of games. Otherwise you are overpaying unless gamepass is and continues to be super cheap.
Game pass is one dollar or 60 dollars a year if you buy up the left over xbox gold 12 month cards you can still find them at gas stations your local dollar general or family dollar thats where i been getting mine from i had game pass for like 2 years now and never have paid full price for it i also pay for my nephews account the same way. Buy the xbox live 12 month cards are drying up there are only a few on the shelves in my town i would buy them up if i wasnt worried about them going out of date before i use them since xbox changed it policy now you have to let your game pass expire before you get another year transfer if you dont wait it only changes over to 3 months of gamepass now.
Thank you for the information.
"Isn't it free to play?" Free to gamepass subscribers. So yah. 80% of gamepass subscribers tried Halo Infinite at no extra cost.
But they still then paid?
Paid for the subscription service. “No extra cost” is what I said.
Only multiplayer. The campaign’s not free and is the cost of a regular game. They are referring to the campaign here.
If you already have game pass its free because alot of people only paid a dollar for it or transferred over their xbox gold time for game pass.
Must be great for the devs to know so many people played your game. Both got more players in a couple of months, than most games will ever get an entire generation.
Well deserved for both. Microsoft out here just swaggering around now.
Wow lots of good news for Microsoft lately. That's a huge number of players..
Always disliked Microsoft's way of fluffing numbers with buzzwords, especially in this case when it's a free-to-play game that's also on Game Pass
What fluff number? Halo Campaign and Forza 5 are not F2P, and gamepass is a huge part of the market strategy. Doesn't matter how they pay for it, that many people are enjoying the game. What I always dislike is when Sony fans get all upset over any other company doing well, and respond by mindless downplay.
Corporations obviously choose the best numbers to announce as headlines/key beats so they look good to shareholders and potential investors. Why would you lead with your weaker numbers? This isn’t just a Microsoft thing. Sony, Nintendo and every other corporation does this.
Shareholders aren't stupid
I agree - they aren’t. But these companies also know how to drive/indirectly control which headlines will be written about them. So they will of course pick the best metric to broadcast.
This was an investors report it wasn't a massive media sell. They weren't buzz wording anything. Investors don't like buzzwords, they like cold hard facts.
Does Xbox have Achievement stats like PlayStation trophy stats? Can we see how many downloaded and tried for “free” versus how many played past the first mission?
Yes they do, so lets look at a quick comparison to Uncharted 4 completion and see how well the Halo Campaign did. Halo Infinite has about 11% of all players who have even fired up the game that completed it. So out of 20 million people (many of which may not have even started the campaign yet and only play multiplayer right now while waiting for co op to be added), we have over 2.2 million players that completed the game based on the final story achievement. Uncharted 4 has sold roughly 9 million units with a 27% completion rate for people who beat that game on normal difficulty or higher. That equates to about 2.4 million who completed the game. Also bear in mind that Uncharted is a single player game, and unlike Halo, people who log on just for the multiplayer do not affect Uncharted's completion percentage. So what we have is Halo being out for about a few months having a completion rate in the same ballpark as Uncharted 4 based on recent sales data provided in Dec 2021. Also remember that these stats do not even take in people who played the game on PC, which would probably put it past Uncharted 4 when it comes to completion percentage. Not bad, I would say Halo Infinite Campaign is a huge success. And based on this comparison, it destroys the narrative that, "people are only trying it because it is on gamepass but put it down" narrative that some people try to spin.
Halo infinite is such a great game i enjoyed the compaign lot.. And the multiplayer is so fun but not sure if the new gamers are into halo multiplayer but surely old folks will like it much
Fornite gamers don't care really. But then again Fornite players don't care for most games other than, well, Fornite. That's all they think about.
I need to play the campaign, been hearing it's extremely fun. Just need to pull myself away from the MP to try it
That was my problem, but the campaign is actually solid.
Dropping the two big titles in conjunction with a 3 months for $1 deal works well for them. I renewed to play Halo and finished it but I'll let it lapse until the next big thing
Numbers this way are pointless they have 25 million GP... They can say what ever they want... 24 millions played... 19.8 played... Pointless. There a huge diference from gamers that buy the game and players that rent the game with GP. They don't say how many got the games or how many new subcribers they got on November and December when those games come out... Playing with numbers. Good marketing for Microsoft.
Oh would it kill ya to say "Nice job XB. Now keep up the good work"
@Darth Would it kill ya to be more objective? @Darkrider I wouldn't go as far as saying the numbers that form the basis of this story are pointless, however, I agree that the way they are being reported here is kind of immaterial. You cannot compare these figures with more traditional sales figures, there is simply no equivalence. I think you are right, a much more telling figure would be to report any increase in subscriptions that they could attribute to the release of these two titles. I would say that I don't think MS were doing anything underhand here, it was an internal investors report so this kind of figure would be meaningful for that audience. What is disingenuous is gaming media (and the usual cheerleaders here on N4G) trying to infer that this is somehow mind-blowing and reading more into the numbers than they ought. The subscription base will consist of their most longstanding and loyal Xbox customers. This audience are already likely fans of these two huge games in popular franchises so the games are obviously going to be played by a huge percentage of their subscribers. Hardly surprising really.
Well Halo was also the 2nd best selling game in the US for December so there's that. https://www.statista.com/st...
Second. The first halo in 6 years available on 70 millions console. From This and last gen... Biggest franchise of Microsoft . There that
How many copies did those games sale? What aren't those numbers included?
At least 1.... mine 😁
I bought a steam copy of the halo campaign.
They will not say. Because then gamers will say that Microsoft gamers arent buying games. Just rent on gp. The only place you you can see are the charts. And the reality is that halo for the first time in is history wasn't number one on launch month. Even if it was launched on last gen and next Gen consoles with a total of almost 70 millions players... Forza isn't on the level of sales of halo. It never was.
Why do sales numbers matter really?! But regardless, Halo was the 2nd best selling game in the US in December https://www.statista.com/st...
@brewin, numbers matter because they tend to cut through the spin.
Strange... 25M game pass users + people outside gamepass... Halo Just make 20M players? I was expecting more from PC+Xbox combinei...
Even among Xbox users not everyone is into FPS's. And then not every FPS fan is into Halo. There are also people like me who're still working their way through the OG games before playing Infinite.
Because every piece of content on a streaming service is experienced by 100% of subscribers 🙄
spin it how you want, 20 million people playing a game is great. game pass here to stay. by 2024 xbox will be cranking out a AAA exclusive every other month
@Orchard your absolutely right about the numbers but most companies practice this habit, especially Sony. In the end these are certainly good numbers for MS, their strategy is working.
If I want to see sales numbers for Sony consoles or a particular PS4/PS5 game then generally I can find that quite easily, not sure how Sony could be said to practice the habit of obfuscating numbers which might be used as a metric for sales successes.
I see the data game is still being played by MS.
If there was a game a lot of people like you are still falling for it.
I just find it amusing how during the 360 era MS couldn't keep their mouths shut about sales data, but now they've switched their tone. It's comical.
@Ninver The 360 came out in 2005… we didn’t have content subscriptions like PSNow and gamepass… PS+ didn’t even exist… XBL gold didn’t give free games… Spotify didn’t exist and Netflix were still mailing out DVD’s. It’s almost like industries have changed a lot over the last two decades, along with the metrics used.
Same as during the ps3 era when Sony refused to release numbers funny how they've changed.
Some proof of that would be interesting, because despite the US bias towards MS shown in the media back in the period, Sony were quite happy with the performance of the PS3, it outsold XB360 worldwide every month from the moment it released and would eventually go on to overtake 360 despite its huge head-start.
So 20 million tried it......how many of them kept playing and are still playing ?