Microsoft and Phil Spencer are in favor of cross-platform bans, giving toxic players no room to hide in an ideal gaming future.
While you’re at it let us console owners opt out of matchmaking with PC players. We shouldn’t be forced to play with a massive cheating PC crowd that it is.
Because cheating doesn't exist on console. It's just PC. We'll just keep sticking to that narrative for a console-centric audience.
“Because cheating doesn't exist on console. It's just PC.” It’s far worse on PC and it’s just adding to what cheaters already exist on consoles.
@jin I just find it funny I'm mostly a PC player, actively play multiple online games, and almost never run into these issues; though you ask most console only players, and they're so unlucky that PC (only PC cheaters) are ruining every other match they're on.
Maybe instead of going "I've never experienced it so it doesn't exist". Try asking him what games he plays and if they intersect with the games you play. I'm primarily a PC player and there is 100% a hacking problem with Warzone.
@repjaws The guy who didn't explicitly state the games he was talking about, and just made a blanket statement about PC players? Makes sense when you don't think about it.
@Repjaws Thanks. I’m referring to Halo Infinite. I’ve watched more than a few replays with what I’d assume is cheating. There’s some pretty sketchy stuff happening lately. “Cheaters are already ruining Halo Infinite multiplayer games” “This behavior-based system clearly isn’t working well yet, and cheat providers are advertising tools that include aimbots, wallhacks, infinite ammo, infinite abilities, infinite grenades, rapid fire mods, speed hacks, and even the ability to jump up to five times higher.” https://www.theverge.com/20...
Yeah bungie had a huge fight with hackers on consoles with Halo matchmaking. And Cod players get banned on consoles all the time for cheating you can find all the cheaters used consoles at pawn shops. Consoles have all types of modded aim bot controllers you can buy to say their are no cheaters on consoles is a joke. Oh and bad company 2 there was a kill everyone on the map with a knife cheat that was on console as well.
@Jin_Sakai But PC has manual bans from the server from the admins, consoles have to wait for the developers to do something about it.
Because cheating on PC is more common and far more advanced than your typical Cronus cheats. Consoles can't run unsigned code. So wallhacks, perfect aimbots, invincibility and other elaborate cheats is not something you see on consoles. Unless it's a crossplay game where the cheater is on PC. Cheating is bad no matter what platform you're on, but PC cheats are the worst. There's no point in denying that.
played some 2k PGA golf the other day and they were hitting it 450 plus yards with the driver, I have the best driver in the game and cant hit that unless down hill massively. Ruins the games this crossplay BS, does anyone actually notice quicker match making times for crossplay? Rocket League matchmaking is actually slower since crossplay.
Cmon folks, there are many other reasons console players should be able to opt out of playing against PC players online. Its not just about cheating. I think PC players have an unfair advantage in games like Halo. Theres usually less input lag on PC and clearly a mouse and keyboard gives PC players a significant advantage when it comes to aim speed. Clearly there are tons of cheaters on console and PC. It will never go away fully, some people just gonna cheat their way no matter what! Why does everything have to devolve so fast in the gaming community!?
We need the ability to opt out from playing against PC players. End of story. “Xbox players are fed up with forced crossplay against PC gamers” “Xbox players can’t escape some PC cheaters” https://www.theverge.com/20...
oh be quiet you authoritarian numpty. focus on your awful platform and give your userbase games
Who made him dictator of gaming get Xbox in line and let Nintendo and Sony handle their platform just my opinion
Sony and nintendo never do any improvements to their online system until the player base puts them on blast about it.
We can all agree that competition pushes innovation and change but your assumption that they NEVER do improvements is tosh. Let's not be biased in our opinions.
@Mr_cheese Nintendo still does friend codes and sony when their system goes down its down 3 times longer than xbox an their updates installs are slow as hell as well its been that way for years.
@anubusgold: And MS are chiefly responsible for the toxic online gaming community they now want to police. Have repeatedly been against SP, and whenever they've gotten hold of a SP IP have introduced MP elements into it.
Not really, they do make improvements, although I'll agree Nintendo is kinda ass backwards with it's online service (I still don't understand why they made the choices they make). @Godmars290, I actually feel like the toxicity wasn't much of a thing till Xbox entered the fray, especially from the 360/PS3 gen onwards.
@anubus It sounds like you are cherry picking to your agenda which makes a true conversation hard. Be objective and look at the bigger picture. Microsoft pushed the expectation of online gaming, amazing. Sony introduced a tonne of integrated share options. They both look at each others improvements and follow suite
@Godmars290 -"And MS are chiefly responsible for the toxic online gaming community they now want to police." Uh what? By pushing online gaming on consoles? Are you going to throw some shade at Al Gore for general online toxicity as well? The moment anonymity was going to exist in this interconnected world, it was a given that it'd bring out the worst in some people. -"Have repeatedly been against SP, and whenever they've gotten hold of a SP IP have introduced MP elements into it." How does this logically track? Being "against" SP suddenly means you're harboring toxic online communities?By this logic, you can expect perfect harmony among Ninty's & Sony's online communities which isn't the case either.
@anubusgold nobody is perfect. No need to cherry pick. But since you want to rag on Nintendo for the friend codes and sony for long downtimes, how about we give you a microsoft gripe too: Xbox Live goes down more often than psn: https://gamerant.com/xbox-l...
Coolbeans Sorry but the truth is Xbox IS the beginning of toxicity. Not because of MS. UT was the 360 players. Everyone was toxic af. I see people crying about ps4/5 fans and I scratch my head because it was nothing like 360 fanboys. They were beyond toxic. And in online games it was even worse. I remember youtubers use to legit say they play on Xbox because the community is toxic so stuff like trolling and making YouTube videos is easy while on Playstation you have to actually be a complete asshole and most times they'll mute you without responding. I legit haven't had a toxic experience online on ps3 for the years I've had it and I played online the most in that Era. When I played 360 online the little I did on my bros, and my friends. Man, it was madness. That exactly MS fault? Nope, but it was their fans that started the whole thing. That's where the console war really got toxic too. Ps fans were going bullied even with the great games ps3 had lol
@Godmars290 Their are racist on psn yelling in the mic as well. At least xbox has group chat so most people dont even chat in games anymore they stay in their friends group chat not the game now.
First of all, Sony makes plenty of improvements to their system. Nintendo does what they want when they want. Toxicity has always been a thing on the internet. It's not at all unique to gaming.
@Chevalier They got it years later after the xbox 360 had it first.
The Phil of today wouldn't last a single day in a Modern Warfare 2 lobby on Xbox Live at its peak.
Lol, you think the old style Phil would have?
Phil is just a poser. I doubt he is a real gamer. He is only slightly less of a fake than Major Nelson. But he is doing a bang up job pushing the new authorization online future.
Poor take. Add him on xbox live and look at his activity. Dude is gaming dang near every day lol.
^@slate91, ever heard of PR?
^ So... He's fake gaming then?
^point is, an xbox live account is as about as believable as a celebrity in a commercial saying, "buy this yummy new drink, I LOVE it"! It's no proof at all. We just don't know.
^ Huge difference between a celebrity saying something in a commercial and the activity feed of someone's gaming profile. You can't fake hours played. You can't fake trophies / achievements.
@Notorious how can you be sure it’s him playing?
Old know all, see all Phil Spencer didn't see this as being a problem a couple years ago when he orchestrated the push to force gamers from other platforms to game with the gamers on his platform? I wonder if Old Phil Spencer counts gamers that use modded controllers with perks like rapid fire, auto aim, no reciol, drop shot, shotgun snipers to name only a few as "toxic"? Is there a FPS game that's not full of these toxic people, games like name any Halo or Call of Duty or Battlefield? Maybe he should take his own advice and clean up the Xbox platform before worrying about other gamers on other platforms.
Phill "the serpent" Spencer back at it again I see. I liked him better when he didn't speak
Maybe add in 3 hours of weekly gaming, ban anyone posting Halo memes and Shadow ban anything about single player content.
He did not take cheating into consideration when he was trying to force Sony into crossplay. Many people voiced their opinions about the dislike of crossplay and cheaters on console and PC, not to forget about the toxic behavior of some people. As I said in the very beginning there should always be a choice if a person wants to opt into crossplay, and not be forced just because it strengthens the player pool.
If you arent a toxic player or someone who condones toxic players...then whats there to be upset about?
I think it can create more "messiness" with punishments. For starters, it's an odd principle to get preemptively banned despite never violating that service's TOS. Maybe you said some stupid shit on Sony's platform years back, but now a reformed you gets the boot right after starting an account on a service you've never used before. There's also the logistical hurdles of ensuring you're punishing the right person. Not everyone has the same PSN or XBL username, so you *could* (however slight) risk effecting someone who didn't do anything. Those are a couple issues I can think of.
True, but that is in the more rare and extreme cases. In more practical terms, just follow the rules and do not give in to your internet anonymity by being an A-hole to others and what not. I joke around a lot when playing Starcraft 2 online but I never EVER had to resort to toxicity, racism, homophobia, sexism or any other toxic/discriminatory behavior. Is that too much to ask?
I can’t think of anything more toxic than centralized power.
New World Order: Gaming Edition.
-"...just follow the rules and do not give in to your internet anonymity by being an A-hole to others and what not." Again, that's the principled issue I was referencing: this hypothetical person who HASN'T even broken the rules yet on another company's service. That's what makes this kinda messy compared to say a streamer's or YouTuber's private Discord or chat channels. There's a clearer line drawn if a streamer (like Destiny) bans you for harassment against others while openly being a part of his d.gg forums. -"Is that too much to ask?" I mean... apparently since internet forums started. Given the tools at gamers' disposal to mute anyone at the drop of a hat, it also begs the question if this stricter route is even worth it - especially when unjustified mistakes could be made. MMOs have /ignore options and some version of that has been nearly universal for a while.
Some little team in San Francisco being the judge, jury and executioner of wrong speak across multiple platforms sounds fantastic. More of these dumb ideas please.
Normally I disagree with you on a lot. This isn't one of those times though. And if there are people that can get behind what Spencer is saying I truly have no hope for rational thinking...not that I have much left to start with. But knowing this site, someone will probably try to excuse this potentially autocratic Idea.
You disagree with me on most things like what lol?
Can we have cross saves please?
Toxic Comments sections being toxic about Phil's idea of Banning Toxic people from gaming, Hilarious!
said by the guy who kept on trash talking other platforms not so long ago. hypocrite through and through. full of hot air the guy.
I think it’s funny how everyone was all for crossplay and seem to be completely blind sided by hackers ruining the game, hacking/cheating will never go away whether it’s crossplay or not some people will sadly find a way to do it
xbox needs to be the wild west
I think cross platform does more harm than good. Match player of console with console and PC with PC and remove all the cheaters as quickly as possible.
I avoid Xbox and most MP games and I avoid most toxic players that way
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