EA are aware of how kids spend and waste money on FIFA ultimate team
This is just bullshit EA could careless as long as the cash is rolling them saying this is just a front. That's like Rockstar saying the same thing when it comes to buying Shark Cars kids shouldn't be buying the cards. Or kids shouldn't be playing the game they could give two shakes as long as the cash keeps rolling in.
They say that like we haven't seen their behind closed doors videos and presentations specifically targeting kids and addictive personalities, or "whales" as they put them. "Kids should not be spending in FIFA full stop....but we like it when they do"
Translation : EA- we don't want to take money from kids, we just want to take money from their parents and grown adults as well as teenagers. That's all..
EA: Technically we are not taking money from kids, kids do not have money, they use their parents money to buy stuff from us (most of the time with the parents not even aware of this), SO, technically we are taking money from their parents and we are ok with that.
But we like it when they do lmao
Then EA don't add it nuff said
No no no It's fine. They're not saying they shouldn't use them; just smartly. ... but you can spend $1000 on the game if you want to. Daddy needs a new yacht.
Hahaha lmao nice joke
I know several people whose children have charged MTs on their Visa and Mastercards without consent. I wonder how common this is?
My parents Foster children and its happened lots of times. Lloyd's Bank wouldn't refund the £140 on fifa packs and my parents said didn't you think to flag it as suspicious considering I'm a 74 year old lol. Sony refunded the money though but kids will play the dumb card with parents with the old "I thought it was free excuse"
My password is required for all purchases on Android, iOS, PSN, Xbox, Nintendo eshop, and Steam. How are these kids charging money without parental consent?
The parents don’t manage the online accounts the kids do. The parents only paid for the online subscriptions.
Passwords are easily stored on pretty much all browsers most parents are not wise to beat practices when it comes to password management and they leave those settings default and have poor password hygiene reusing passwords and not having MFA turned on
Unfortunately, kids are well aware of how to do things with online accounts, better than their parents, actually. There are mechanisms in place, but parents need to be informed. This is not a pass for EA, they're dangling the incentive in front of kids. But since EA is not going to be accountable and no one is going to stop this due to B̶r̶i̶b̶e̶r̶y̶ political lobbying and contributions, parents and banks need to step up. I have no children, but for every transaction on my account, I receive a notification on my phone for the amount withdrawn and the purpose of the purchase. Literally within seconds. I would also say that people should create virtual cards with strict limits... But that doesn't get at the heart of the issue that EA seems to be ignoring: kids are *gambling*. It's like Juul telling you they don't want kids to vape and come out with flavors like Fruity Tooty Banana Blitz or whatever they make. C'mon, man.
And why do the kids have the parents credit card numbers to make the charges?
Easy, the kids took their parents credit cards without permission. They then saved the credit card info onto the console and began purchasing MTs.
Ah, blaming EA because children stole from their parents. Do we also blame McDonald's for the obesity rate?
Kekw. This is all down to the parents, just like finding little kids in extremely toxic and inappropriate adult multiplayer games. Maybe now that their credit cards are being hit they will take action, some really dumb parents out there.
Kids are cleverer than you think, I've put parental locks on, allocated certain time of play time in settings etc and they find a way.
I don't think we can blame EA if kids are stealing their parent's credit card. My kids have never found a way around the parental controls I've set. But as a software engineer, I also know what I'm doing.
They really are I think it's easy to say it's the parents fault but fact is kids are smarter than you give them credit for.
I think that parents are getting smarter as newer generation's that have grown up with internet and computers are having kids. I'm a parent and I cringe pretty hard when I get online late at night and hear a kid swearing up a storm in GTA online or insert other popular game my first thought is always there's something going on in that kids home he's acting out online for attention cussing out strangers on the microphone while you hear the parents in the background just ignoring them then I just feel sad for the kid to be honest because they are growing up believing that talking to people like that. It's those kids who are also loving their life online and stealing credit card details because they don't know what's right and wrong in many ways some of them are so screwed up. I wonder how it's changed over the years but I think this type of behaviour has always existed were just now in a more connected world where it's more in our faces. 20 years ago there was no real console gaming you had to own a PC to game online.
There was also no MTXs like there are today so yeah....not really an issue.
Than stop charging for stuff that use to be unlocked playing. MT are selling us stuff that used to be unlocked simply by playing and what used to be cheat codes. EA started with online passes too so they have been trying everything to charge gamers for everything Gamers who say it doesn't affect me or no one is being forced to buy don't understand the frustration. This stuff was free and now on top of paying $70 we still have MT and XP boosters. MT are the main reason one of the best developers as in R* games make so few games. Why make new games when people are spending hundreds of millions buying online currency in GTA online. Sadly the only way this would ever change is if we have a gaming crash because casual gamers are too stupid not to spend money on MT. When apple makes more money from app store selling games than playstation, Xbox and Nintendo combined you know something is wrong with how things are going
They compared their gambling mechanics to kinder eggs, which are for kids. Why the change of heart?
Or any EA game or EA mobile games. But we know what's going on at that company. Can't fool us.
The age of the player is not their concern. After they processs our credit cards, the question of whether children are addicted to gambling in their games does not come up for discussion.
There’s a difference between a degenerate kid charging 100k and a kid wasting their own money. If they earned it, enjoy it. Not like they have any bills. Some like spending money on the same game instead of playing new games. I can think of worse addictions. It’s easy to find better usage with someone else’s money. Like degenerate kid Congress wasting our money, they don’t care lol.
If they truly believe this then they should ask the game be 16 or 18 certificate.
I'm lost what's happening here?
No one should.
Really sad to see how many people are giving parents the pass just so they can blame ea. It is no ones but the parents responsibility to prevent this. Whether that be by enabling passwords, restricting access whatever. It all boils down to the parents.
The parents didn't put the MTXs in the games...EA did. The ESRB also rate these games for everyone. It shouldn't be on the parents to have to be aware that it's not actually for everyone and the game has gambling mechanics....how in the world would that not be m for mature. It boils down to the companies and ESRB...not the parents.
Did ea give the game away for free? Nope. did the console get received for free? No as i said a total lack of responsibility on anyone who allows their kid to go unsupervised. Theres licensing agreements you are agreed to before your console even goes online. Again thats parents responsibility. Theres licensing agreements you agree to to play these games online, again parents responsibility. If a parent leaves drugs around and the kid gets ahold of it is it the drug dealers fault or the parent? In what world is it not the parents responsibility to know what their kid is doing and using? This makes absoluetly no sense and shows why this kind of thing happens a bunch of ignorant adults letting their kids do whatever they want as long as theyre not bothering them. I know exactly what game what videos my kids are watching and downloading, i know where they sit in class i know what kid is being mean and what kids are helpful. Because i took responsibility and dont leave it in the hands of a corporation whos only exists to make money.
@jukins Oh believe me parents understand what they're agreeing to....but that has nothing to do with gambling mechanics existing in a rated E for everyone. Do casinos allow children inside to gamble? No...so why do games allow it. A parent know what drugs are...it's common knowledge that they shouldn't be reachable by a child. Games are games...common knowledge is that they are perfectly fine and safe for children as long as you get the correctly rated games appropriate for their age. Most parents know what their kids are doing and playing but what they don't know are the gambling aspects. A parent will be fine to pay for one thing I'm a mobile game for their child but they aren't always aware that the one thing isn't enough. And yes parents tell their children no all the time up until the child gets smart and goes to grab their card and so forth. The parents aren't fully aware and shouldn't have to be aware of all the dopamine effects in these games that are actually harming their children and paving the way towards addictive gambling behaviour. Is it a parents obligation to find out that something targeted for kids like a toy ....secretly has a bomb inside? No that's the responsibility of all the authorities involved in putting that toy in the market for kids. In other words...don't sell something for kids that isn't for kids. Simple. And those that do should be held accountable. It isn't all on the parents. Just like how they're teaching masturbation in schools and other lessons and are being told not to tell their parents. Yes that parent should be aware but when things are hidden then they're not completely at fault.
The whole concept of loot boxes needs to disappear. Games like FIFA, Madden, and even MLB the Show all rely on people buying booster packs of players that should already be available to them. I get the concept that these modes are supposed to create methods to unlock players, but return to rewarding them for play and not for the pitiful amounts of in game currency they currently offer.
.... "but we sure love when they do".
Oh EA. Just like a dealer refusing to sell drugs to children. What good guys... On a serious note they only saying this because European Union countries are cracking down on their asses.
Maybe parents should setup payment verifications available on all systems?
Games are targeted and still treated as a children hobby. There is no cultural or logical reason to assume that payment verifications would be needed for, what many parents view as, toys for children.
Maybe they should educate themselves? Almost every game has some sort of micro transactions and they have to add payment method to a child’s account. If they don’t setup a payment method the children cannot buy micro transactions. They have to understand to some degree of what the payment system is for.
Would you feel the need to educate yourself on all the ins and outs of a bike for your kid? No. A bike is a bike and a game is a game. No reason for them to suspect gambling.
Not a good comparison. If I am entering a PAYMENT method that can be used at any time... I would 100% do research into it and ensure it can be protected. If I have a child I would ensure payment protection would be followed. If I buy a bike it is a one-time transaction and my payment information is no longer relevant. If I am entering payment information that can be used not only for possible unauthorized Microtransaction purchases but also digital games/TV shows and movies... I would definitely do research and add safeguards against unauthorized purchases or child accidental or child purposefully charged transactions without parental consent. It is always easier to blame someone else for your own failures and then cry about it than accept your own mistakes.
@agnostic It is a good comparison because knowledge of these machines and how they store your payment information is new territory. Don't pretend like video game consoles always had this kind of thing. They did not. You can bet your ass these parents won't let it happen again and they're fully aware that their mistake was to think that these games for children wouldn't contain gambling mechanics. And it is a good comparison. As I said. If it's targeting children it shouldnt include non child like activities or features. It makes no sense that if i give my child a Nintendo 64 I've got nothing to worry about but if i give them a more modern console that is technically better and more advanced...suddenly I've got more concerns instead of less. That is the opposite of progress. It's not about casting blame around...which you yourself are doing btw. It's about not having M rated content or above in games rated E. And then of course you've got the issue with games not being consistent. One game can be perfectly safe while the other is chuck full of MTXs and there's no way of really knowing how bad it is unless i am fully informed by playing the game. So now a parent has to participate with the child using the game/toy that was purchased for the child. Which is absolute nonsense and shouldn't be required. Solution is quite simple. Put a gambling label on games with gambling mechanics. Have all these games have their MTXs locked behind parental consent as a default. As well as a no saving payment information as default.
EA: “Kids should not be spending in FIFA full stop” Also EA: (Wink) but please do. Hehe yeah boy!
Your main player base, EA. Sound. Take your loot box microtransactions out, then. Dickheads.
Anyone who is not a CHILD spending money in game. Get Help.
But EA have on the front of FIFA 22 box play from the age of 3. That hole must be pretty deep now EA.
Okay. Well then return the money that you firmly believe they shouldn't be spending.
EA pays Streamers to stream Ultimate team on youtbe and twitch to open. So don't give me this crap.
No reason to even have a payment card attached to an account. Zero reason to when prepaid codes exist.
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