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Why Rockstar Games Hasn't Made Single-Player DLC for GTA 5 or Red Dead Redemption 2

GTA 5 and Red Dead Redemption 2's online offerings are massive successes, making it unlikely for Rockstar Games to go back to singleplayer DLC.

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Hofstaderman1337d ago (Edited 1337d ago )

Didnt bother to read the article. My guess would be because the online multi-player is very popular and the base game has been released on three generations of consoles and still sells well? This refers to GTA V

Phoenix761337d ago

Yep, your absolutely right.
It takes this article 6 full paragraphs to come to the same answer.

myfathersbastard1337d ago

Yeah that is exactly why. But it still makes no sense to me. R* was known for putting out some of the most compelling expansions of the time with Undead Nightmare, the ballad of gay Tony and lost and damned.
It really seems like leaving money on the table so to speak. Like I don’t play the online for eith RDR or GTA. But I would 100% buy some single player DLC for both. And I’m sure a large part of the community is the same way. It’s not going to take away from the people who like the online modes so I’m not sure why not just make the DLC to get the single player people back. I haven’t touched GTA5 in a few years so wouldn’t it be better to give people like me a reason to actually come back and maybe even buy the next gen version AGAIN for it. Seems like a waste to me.

roadkillers1336d ago

If Rockstar is like any other corporation, they run a cost-reward analysis. If their cost is relativity low have employees do one thing and reward is high, this is what they will op for.

Ex: The cost reward ratio for maintaining GTA5 is low while the reward is high. Creating a GTA5 expansion would probably be medium cost and high reward. It takes many more departments to be involved in a large expansion release vs small incremental updates.

jivah1336d ago

Makes no sense to you? Must be poor. They run a basic maintenance budget for an old ass game that continues to rake in billions. Versus spending hundreds of millions on making new content... and it doesnt make sense to you?

myfathersbastard1336d ago

@jivah

“Must be poor” lol
And you must be delusional if you think DLC would cost hundreds of millions to make. They aren’t creating a new game. Just re using assets and maybe 20mill max creating some new storyline stuff. Plus pretty much everyone who bought RDR2 and GTA5 would buy into the DLC packs. Plus create new interest in the next gen version. There’s not a chance in hell they wouldn’t make massive profit on any expansions released.

PS-Gamer-19861336d ago (Edited 1336d ago )

" I haven’t touched GTA5 in a few years so wouldn’t it be better to give people like me a reason to actually come back and maybe even buy the next gen version AGAIN for it. "

Same for me. They could add whatever to gta online, give billions ingame cash and i still wouldn't touch it anymore. An expansion on the other hand, i would buy in a heartbeat.

Unfortunately i believe there would be millions and millions who would take a break for a few day or weaks from online, to play the expansion which would result in losses because people wouldnt buy these stupid shark cards during those days

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dbcoops1337d ago

So long as people keep paying for the online stuff Rockstar doesn't have much incentive to do anything else really.

Dirty_Lemons1337d ago

Shame because Undead Nightmare was one of the best DLC I ever played.

porkChop1337d ago

UN was great, as was TBoGT.

myfathersbastard1337d ago

How did you get downvotes? Undead Nightmare and The Ballad of Gay Tony were both fantastic. I really liked The Lost and The Damned as well.

porkChop1337d ago

Red Dead Online is not a massive success. There's a reason they had stopped advertising GTA Online for a while and started pushing RDO super hard. There's a reason you can buy RDO standalone but not GTA Online. RDO has players, but it never really took off like GTA Online did.

When RDO first came out it was fun, but really difficult to earn any money, and everything was like 100x more expensive than in the SP. When players complained, Rockstar said they wanted the game to be fun for the community so they would listen to the feedback and rework the in-game economy.

Rockstar reworked the economy alright, they made it significantly *harder* to earn any money and slashed the sell values of everything. Since then they've continuously cut the values of the animals people were hunting and even made them less likely to spawn. For months they removed a ton of animal spawns entirely and said it was a "bug". They've tried to stranglehold the community and force them to buy currency.

That's why RDO never took off. Everything people don't like about GTA Online is 10x worse in RDO. Aside from hardware constraints, that's another big reason why Rockstar is so focused on GTA Online now and aren't in a rush to release GTA VI yet. They know they can't abuse the community, and they know they won't be able to replicate GTA Online's success.

anast1337d ago

I agree. RDO was fun at first, but grinding for week just to change the color of a trigger on one gun is absurd. They also stop making the small one shot stories and pushed PvP Fortnite with cowboys.

jBlakeeper1337d ago

Exactly! GTA Online is still doing extremely well and releasing a new entry could cut into the sales and take players away from GTA online. People will also be expecting some kind of update to the online mode and that is easier said than done considering Rockstar’s unwillingness to mess with the GTA online formula.

MadLad1337d ago

Because jackasses will pay hundreds of dollars buying easily made assets for their online components.

Muigi1337d ago (Edited 1337d ago )

Sounds like any MMO.

MadLad1337d ago

Eh.

Many MMOs thrive off of subscriptions or expansion releases.

When talking about what were always primarily single player experiences, and then the popularity of the MP component sees games like GTA 5 releasing over 3 generations with not 1 expansion pack, that's the issue.

Has me worried if when, finally, GTA 6 releases, they actually even put the same amount of effort into the actual campaign as they have in the past.

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Report: Inside Ubisoft's Project Renaissance, a Cancelled Minecraft-Like Voxel Game

In recent years, Ubisoft has canceled several games, one of them being a project code-named Renaissance.

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Activision Forces Adverts into Call of Duty Black Ops 6 and Warzone Loadouts

With the launch of Call of Duty Season 4, Activision quietly put adverts inside loadouts for Black Ops 6 and Warzone, sparking a backlash in the process.

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lukasmain3d ago

Putting Ads in a pay-to-play Premium title? Well done Microsoft. Well done /s This is really scummy.

jjb19812d ago

This game will never change because these sweatlords love buying up all the skins and bundles that become obsolete the following year. They're the ones perpetuating Activision's greed.

VenomUK2d ago

If Microsoft introduces adverts into its other games I hope it can do them without disrupting the immersion of the game world. So for example in the new Fable game it would look out of place if there was a billboard advertising Cadillacs.

A far better way to do it would be to have a wizard conjure a 'dream cloud' in front of your character and then in the cloud you can see the Cadillac car and see the text with price and availability and hear a booming sales voice promoting the car. That would work so well as it wouldn't be a billboard and completely, 100%, fit in with your character's adventuring in Albion. Doesn't that sound so much better?!

crazyCoconuts2d ago

@venom, or how about our of 100 farts in Albion, 1 of them has a Cadillac pop out

VenomUK2d ago

@crazyCoconuts That’s undeniably off-beat - but it could really work!

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SteamOS seems to destroy Windows 11 on gaming performance and battery life, as well as usability

The first direct and natively supported comparison between identical Windows 11 and SteamOS gaming hardware is here. And it's pretty much a bloodbath for Microsoft.

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Terry_B3d ago

"And it's pretty much a bloodbath for Microsoft."

OOOKAY! ..Interesting choice of words for that topic lol

ocelot073d ago

Maybe a bit extreme lol. But it's really interesting. Seen one or two videos of Forza Horizon 5. One of the testers used a low end Rx 6500 xt GPU. Using windows FH5 got a average of 62fps fairly respectable. But the same setup using Steam OS using the same settings FH5 got a average of 94fps. Thats a massive gain.

ZycoFox2d ago

Racing games are pretty much always easy to run though. Look at the more demanding ones, 5-13fps gain, not bad but if you already have a decent PC to begin with those gains are small. For a handheld though I guess any boost is a decent boost.

MastaMold2d ago

Yup I would also say that the last time a Windows operating system was good was Windows XP

Software_Lover2d ago

Its an O.S. built SPECIFICALLY for gaming. Am I missing something???

Inverno2d ago

It has basic Linux in it, and you can stuff it with the Linux equivalent of all the apps your casual PC user uses on Windows. The Steam portion of it basically acts like Steam Bug Picture mode which it loads up automatically to that for a more console like experience. It isn't JUST made for gaming.

crazyCoconuts2d ago

And anyone that has tried to extend the life of PCs knows the best way to improve the performance is to replace Windows with Linux

Amplitude2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@crazyCoconuts:
I dunno, man. I switched to Pop OS exclusively about two weeks ago and when it comes to games i've gotta say i'm a bit disappointed. I had to stop playing A Plague Tale Requiem because i was getting a fluctuating 15-20fps. On Windows I was around 45fps, letting me lock down a perfect 30. With RT. Even Ghost of Tsushima, which i had running at a perfectly locked 60 in Windows, chugged with Proton on the same settings. I had to turn on DLSS Frame Gen to achieve anything even slightly playable (while still looking nice). I really don't like the look of frame gen, not gonna lie. Had to stop playing that as well.

Even RPCS3, which one would assume would run better in Linux, is noticeably worse. Siren Blood Curse chugs like crazy in the split screen segments when it otherwise never did. Plus HDR just isn't possible. I'll say the mandatory UE4 shader compilation step does solve the stutters that otherwise destroy Windows games, though. That's one plus. Needs some work, though. Maybe native Linux games are better.

Still worth it to get away from Microsoft tracking my every move and throwing ads at me every chance they can. Plus it looks CLEAN as hell. Likely never going back to Windows.

crazyCoconuts2d ago

@amp, yeah totally agree. While Linux as an OS is clearly leaner and faster, as long as we're relying on compatibility layers for games, things can get squirrelly on a case by case basis. Publishers need more Linux gamers to justify a separate build target, so it's kinda a chicken and egg problem right now

badz1492d ago

@Sorftware_Lover

Aren't you forgetting the fact that almost all games are "made for Windows"?

crazyCoconuts2d ago

It would be a long road, but that could change. At least a start would be ensuring all games run under proton. Eventually moving away from DirectX. That's probably wishful thinking though

Petebloodyonion2d ago

Should we be surprised?
Steam OS is built solely for gaming, whereas Windows 11 is packed with numerous security features and various overall processes.

Inverno2d ago

I switched to Mint couple months back and it was the best decision I made. Turns out my laptop isn't a complete POS, Windows is. Windows has been a complete headache since I got my laptops a few years back and Linux fixes all those problems. I don't even game on my laptop, I just use it for basic stuff and I cannot recommend switching enough.

badz1492d ago

having the same problems right now with no way back. I have been refusing W11 upgrades all this times with my PC and laptop at home - both Ryzens. but suddenly last week, both of them started to have stability issues for no reason.

the PC with RX6600XT connected to a TV keep crashing and losing display, where I had to keep reinstalling the Radeon software after each reset but no matter what I did, I couldn't get the HDMI audio working anymore despite it has been working fine all this time. the laptop was even worst, it abruptly crashed while I was using MS word and listening to music on YT and then never able to recover again. the Asus recovery, startup repair, restore point, reset windows...nothing worked!

for the PC, I said "F it" and proceeded to W11 upgrade. didn't take long and would you look at that, the Radeon software and HDMI audio working fine from the first boot. this made me think, do MS and AMD have some deal in the back, forcing users to upgrade by purposely messing up their drivers? on the other hand, my laptop was beyond saving, so I fresh installed Windows using USB. thing was, I forgot the USB installer I used was for Win11 not Win10 as I helped a friend build a PC last couple of months and he wanted W11. and yeah my laptop works now.

BUT these don't feel like upgrades at all! they both work but they are noticeably SLOWER than they were when I was on W10! like WTF MS?? it's official that W11 is a bloated, unoptimized mess of an OS that is hiding its flaws behind fast hardware!

CantThinkOfAUsername2d ago

By any chance, did you update Windows 10 recently? The May 13th update, dubbed 'The last security update for Windows 10,' is bricking a lot of Windows 10 PCs (including mine) to force people to upgrade to Windows 11.

badz1492d ago

@CantThinkOfUsername

yeah...I think I might have installed it without knowing. I remember reading about it but it completely skipped my mind at the time. shaddy as hell!

babadivad2d ago

I really don't like Windows 11. If you use an external HDD, it will literally stall out Windows Explorer everytime you open it. It will freeze your PC until the external drive wakes up and spins up.

It does this even when you aren't trying to access anything on the drive. It's so freaking annoying.

Windows 10 didn't have this issue and Windows 8.1 was even better. Windows has been getting progressively slower for a while.

They need to get the Windows 8.1 team to speed this thing up. It has nice features, but it has bogged down the OS.

Features shouldn't use resources unless they are requested.

blacktiger2d ago

All corporations under same investors do that, release virus, broken drivers. That's why I hate Windows update cause they fk up on purpose

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