A low-spec solution squares off against the Cerny-approved upgrade.
So Sony kind of spouted off BS about Ratchet and Clank needing a fast drive "only possible on ps5"? Most already know that the biggest thing with game load times is the 4k iops and latency, which Optane still has the highest numbers for on PC. No Gen 3 or Gen 4 nonsense, most drives just push up the large file transfers which is what is displayed on the box, the small 4k file transfers not so much.
Lol lets no discuss optane here. It doesnt fit any normal budget. I'd love an optane to test out for my setup but beyond happy with 980 pro gen 4 and 980 gen3 which I believe will be enough for both consoles for the entire gen. Yes most ssds will have similar loads due to smaller files loading. Most of these gen4 and gen3 ssd account for speeds with large single files and yes maybe some aspects of the game load but mostly not. I think most nvme ssd will be good enough even the slowest ones in most 3rd party games. For PS5 exclusives we dont really know yet. I'm guessing they'll make it viable for all ssds due to higher consumer reach.
This comparison ignores the fact that the internal SSD can be used as a cache. If a chunk of data is loaded onto it, it would dramatically increase the overall bandwidth available vs. just using the slower SSD. PS5's firmware could prioritize the data that gets accessed the most and cache it on the system drive for improved performance.
Actually what Richard states is that the Early games for PS5 aren't maxing the potential of the faster drives. He also says it is unreasonable to think they would. This was also stated by Insomniac who stated that drives under the recommend spec could still work with up to a 15% hit to performance for this specific game. This isn't going to be perceptible and in most cases only incurs a single frame penalty. This drive isn't slow by any stretch of the imagination. They are still clearly much slower at large transfers. This proves that Rachet isn't maxing the SSD throughput. That's the real takeaway. But Insomniac already started this. The warning though is to get a drive that meets specs because as games take greater advantage of it, eventually you will see Differences beyond just transfer speeds.
This is actually kind of interesting. I watched a video yesterday of a guy who put the SSD from a Series S into his PS5 and it recognized it but wouldnt get past 13% on the format. I like it when these sites try the weird experiments that us regular folk wouldnt dare attempt (dont want to risk damaging our systems).
wrong SONY said you need NVME!
I pointed this out a while ago and people downvoted me to oblivion. Glad someone else can see the marketing BS.
I'm late to the party and missed all the good comments! haha
Another payed news to try and create controversy. This isn't some magical software that will make the ps5 20 times more powerful. The ssd is 50 to 60% faster then the rivals. Facts.
But Richard even addresses that too explaining that the 750 is still better than the XBox SSD. Did I watch a different video than everyone else? Xbox fans: Sony lied. Truth: they didn't. The PS5 SSD interface with compressor is ungodly fast. Downright overkill for regular games. It's so fast that we don't have any software that can max it out yet.... Whatever that actually means. PS fans: Richard is hating on the PS5. Truth: he is not. If anything he is showing that currently there is no software that can leverage 9GB/s in a meaningful way.. how much data do you think they are actually loading? The memory is only 16GB in size folks. The real application of such throughput hasn't even been shown. That's why he encourages sticking to recommend specs.
- payed I know I always want my news to be sealed with tar, lest my ship sinks.
rivals as in other machines? or other SSD drives for the PS5? The first is a given, the second is fasle.
Ahhh more bs from DG.....Well, at least they have a console with great games to ''test''...
How is Digital Foundry BS?
Mike Fitzgerald, core technology director, from Insomniac Games "there’s so much to peel back about the SSD and the I/O around it. We’re just scratching the surface of it"
Which is why DF still recommends following Sony's guidelines. Even though a slower drive works just fine right now, it might have issues in the future as games take better advantage of SSDs.
This is the point. Insomniac did not lie. They were very straight forward during their interview with DF. I feel like practical applications of an SSD this fast aren't even here yet.
Some of you guys should really get your mentalities in the right place. This is not a coordinated conspiracy to ravage the release of a third-party platforming game. It's not any takedown of Sony. It's informative for consumers and an academic analysis of SSDs that do plug in and do play. "So, ultimately, hands-on testing with the SN750 SE suggests that a slow drive works fine, but choosing an SSD that doesn't meet Sony's specs always leaves an element of doubt" "Despite the generally favourable results from the SN750 SE, my advice would still be to stick to the specifications outlined by Sony in choosing a storage upgrade for your PS5"
I agree. The same problem occurs with many popular topics in the news... Just because sometimes there are conspiracies doesn't mean everything is a conspiracy. Unfortunately DF hasn't done itself any favors with their unabashed pandering to MS in the past ..
"unabashed pandering to MS in the past" Saying things doesn't make them true and echoing that out without any context to it makes you just the same as these people I'm referring to.
Let's start with Halo Infinite's "lighting" problem. There's lots more if you've been following along, but I respect your right to disagree.
343 acknowledged as much when they detailed visual changes, including increased contrast and sharpness. I'm guessing you also didn't notice in the Deathloop RT on vs off comparison that the same kind of "issue" was present there - the rasterized lighting in the very opening of the game is a lot flatter and dull looking compared to the very punchy RT presentation. I'm not disagreeing - you're just wrong.
You mean the Halo video in which Alex, who is clearly one of the most technically knowledgeable in DF, goes very in depth into why their entire lightning system is being used very poorly, how there are better and newer techniques that can be used, complains about materials and effects And also states he would prefer for them to use dynamic res or upscaling techniques instead of pushing for Native 4k because its a waste of resources? That video that people who seem to be even more biased than what they say DF is, still seem to just narrow down to like if he had only said it looks bad because the time of day instead of everything above?
But why would a gamer buy a slow ssd? What gamers are looking is the fastest at cheaper price. Not slow... What should they choose. The title is again to try and downplay ratchet tech. I really can't understand why. The jump in ssd/i/o is the biggest for next Gen. From the normal drives to the ssd. It's huge. Also there some problems choosing the right ssd, melting stuff and other things. Not can a slower ssd run ratchet... It's a clickbait title and nothing more.
The jump in I/O compared to before is astronomical even on the slowest SSD that'll run on the PS5. If you think that generic headline is clickbait there is something genuinely wrong with you people. Edit: and as my chosen quotes indicate, there's doubt in going with a slow SSD. One it doesn't meet the official spec, and if Ratchet is anything, the PS5 SSD still has tons of untapped potential going forward.
How is it clickbait? They are testing exactly what they set out to test, done so properly, gave people the proper information and still left the recommendation to follow the guidelines. There are several ssds which are just below Sony’s range that someone may end up buying either by mistake or due to budget and knowing if it will work or not is a good thing to test (especially because Sony only RECOMMENDS certain speeds, they are not mandatory)
also it goes to show that Sony/Insomniac saying that this game wouldn't be possible without the speed of the SSD is misleading.
Even if it supported PCIe gen 3 drives it would be fast.
Its not the ssd only which make it possible, its mainly the i/o which work with the ssd. Next gen VR will only render what is seen on vr lenses it pull data straigh from the gpu to screen unlike slow pc architecture.
you do realize that PC VR headsets plug directly into the GPU, don't you?
“Can the slowest PS5 NVMe upgrade run Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart?” Nope. There are small issues. See insomniacs comment on it. “However, the SN750 SE's maximum 3200MB/s resolves to a frankly unbelievable 5174MB/s according to the PS5 benchmark, casting doubt on its accuracy. I believe the best way forward would be for Sony to release a storage stress test benchmark or tech demo to really put these drives through their paces - or at least for the test to yield accurate results” That’s very close for most performance demands. An official stress test would be a great idea.
I mean, the actual company who makes the SSD rates it at 3200mb. If the drive could suddenly do a 5300mb speed, they would certainly not advertise it (and charge for it) as a 3200 one. There is definitely something weird with the PS5 test, most drives that have much higher speeds tend to show as lower and this one was even weirder because not only did it show as faster, but as SIGNIFICANTLY faster. To the point that it almost met the spec even though its over 40% slower than recommended
Trust me no one is more confused than Western Digital.
I mean it was just proven via the article we are all commenting on that the slowest drive CAN in fact run Ratchet and Clank. So why are you saying no?
Maybe because it’s not actually the slowest? Maybe it had unseen issues? Do you trust Richard over insomniac? How many man hours do you think insomniac spent evaluating the drive speed? Do you think they would know best where the problem areas are?
@Babadook7 - I mean the man bought the slowest rated NVMe drive on the market and put it in the PS5. And even though insomniac said there would be significant draw backs, this article proves that's not the case.
Are gamers this bad at comprehending hype lingo? No lies anywhere.
Many think soulless conglomerates are their best friends and care deeply about their personal well-being.
hmm the only thing I see here, is how advance the PS5 SSD controller tech is, and it proves that the PS5 it actually uses the high speed to benefit their exclusive games, M2 drives have been out for a while now in the PC market, and yes it helps your PC to boot up faster and open files, apps, software faster, but all this years I have never ever seen a game to take advantage to SSD drive like the PS5 does, and by that I mean I never seen a game for example RDR2 or GTA game that can load in an instant, and this is the part when the PS5 kicks PC gaming in the arse imo, PS5 exclusive games those literally load in a instant, Returnal, Spider Man games, Demons Souls, Rachet and Clank those literally have no loading screens, and doing that while looking the way those look is something to behold and real game changer this generation.
So al lot of techies here no better than Mark Cerny the Sony engineers and Insomniac. You guys are killing me....🙄
This website is a joke. This is literally a demonstration comparing SSD's so people can make an informed decision when purchasing an expansion, he even summarises at the end that even though the cheaper low end model worked fine its always best to stick to the recommended guidelines set by Sony. Yet N4G once again being the Sony stronghold that it is, rallies together to defend a plastic box. If you want the fastest SSD buy it, if you want a cheaper alternative buy that instead, if you want to feel personally attacked fine just do it in silence, or just wait till the prices drop for the higher end solutions like me. Sony is bound to put out first party software that will really push the boundary of the SSD, nothing out there comes close to maxing out the full 9/GBs that on paper can be allocated.
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