Tiny Tina’s Wonderlands Next-Gen Upgrade Explained, XB1 Standard Physical Version Cannot Be Upgraded

2K has explained the Tiny Tina's Wonderlands next-gen upgrad, and also confirmed the Xbox One Standard phyiscal cannot upgrade to Series X|S.

[porkChop]

Wtf 2K?

[NeoGamer232]

I won't be buying this game then. No publisher gets any money from me if they ship on two generations of consoles and won't give me both versions at one regular price.

PC does it so console should do it too.

[GhostofHorizon]

You do realize you don't have to buy both copies, right? You can just buy the one you want to play.

[TheExecutioner]

As usual, a typical person just wanted to show others that he won't buy but still, he is going to buy.

[NeoGamer232]

@Nakiro
So I have a few different TVs in my homes, and have both last gen and next gen consoles in the mix.

So, I have to pay extra just to play a game on one of the generations?

When I buy a game on PC it works on all PCs? Why is console different? It is ridiculous.

@TheExecutioner
First, I am still working my way through Borderlands 3 so don't need another loot fest fix. Second, there are plenty of other games to buy that are cross buy through generations. I may pick it up when it is super cheap, but I won't support bad behaviour from companies towards consumers.

[deadfrag]

The greed!

[Darkborn]

I wonder why that is.

[Thegr81]

Microsoft doesn’t allow for paid upgrades. It’s either smart delivery or part of a cross gen bundle are the options they give if I remember they stated before the new systems came out.

[itsmebryan]

It don't remember that. Do you have al link .?

[porkChop]

You can buy an upgrade for COD Cold War on Xbox.

[PrinceAli]

You fool... this isn't true AT ALL!

[DaveZero]

Yes it does, Aliens fireteam is around 30 and i purchased that and I have the choice to upgrade to the best version of the game.

[Shuckylad]

What a mess, so on Xbox the standard physical version won’t upgrade but the standard digital version will?🤔

[Lostbytes]

Digital version should be able to upgrade .......for 10$ more

[Sayai jin]

No fee for upgrade. They offer free upgrades.

[Lostbytes]

there will not be any free upgrade path for Tiny Tina’s Wonderland for owners of either the PS4 or Xbox One version to the next-gen versions (PS5, Xbox Series X|S). This was confirmed in the official FAQ. Instead, owners will need to pay a fee if they want to play an experience optimized for next-gen consoles.

[Sayai jin]

Yes, individual devs and publishers may chatge for the upgrade, but MS this gen has not. It looks as if they could bot strike a deal to have it done with this title.

[wiz7191]

Isn’t that how it normally works , how can you upgrade the physical copy ??? If it’s a disc ?? It would cost the extra money just to upgrade physical copies. Storage etc

[Taero]

You would put in the disc and then download the upgraded digital copy but you would keep the disc in the machine for verification so you don't just immediately sell the old physical copy.

[Destiny1080]

PS4 owners can upgrade by simply having the disc in their PS5 and paying the upgrade fee, not great, but a whole lot better then no upgrade path, xbox owners have to buy the full game again

while sony was initially behind with improving the upgrade path for games and game saves, it is know, microsoft who is completely failing its user base, with the one thing it got right

[vallencer]

Or Xbox owners can just buy the 70 dollar version that has the upgrade and it'll work on any of the Xboxes. Also don't try and paint this as a Microsoft bad thing. This is purely 2k being greedy. Which you can see because the digital version has a free upgrade path.

[Nitrowolf2]

Yep, Activision did this to.
Ubisoft allowed physical upgrades to my understanding

[Teflon02]

I mean, we get at Sony for not having all kinds of things available to devs. Now that MS doesn't have the paid disc upgrade option it's not on MS. People should play by the rules they make? How about they add these u
Options for those that prefer to upgrade from a disc. It's like forcing a digital version on you if you want a upgrade in the future. Can't move the goal posts. I personally have no issue with a $10 upgrade fee as in the past you bought a whole entire version for a system. So it's nothing. What I do have a issue with is moving the goal post. People need to get on MS about having the optio n available

[vallencer]

@teflon

I'm not moving any goal post calm down. They can't MAKE 3rd party devs do the upgrade path. It exist for them if they want to do it as you again can see because the digital version utilizes it. First party games do use the free upgrade path. This is completely on 2k. They are choosing not to have a free upgrade path for people of the regular disc version of the xbox one copy.

[Profchaos]

Absolutely it's publisher greed and a reluctance to incorporate pro consumer practices. But take two believe they are above that apparently or maybe they feel they lost to much to boderlands 3 and it's free upgrade path given that when the ps5 and xsx launched the physical Ps4 and x1 game could be picked up for under $10 most gamers would do that and claim the free update over splashing out for the boxed next gen game but in tiny Tina it makes zero sense as it's launching the same day there isn't an opportunity for Tina Tina to be sold cheaply on one platform over another

[glennhkboy]

Well, after 2K saw what Sony can pull-off on the $10 upgrade fee, why not?

[Ausbo]

Why don’t you ask 2K why they decided not to use smart delivery

[Profchaos]

The Sony upgrade path and choice mostly makes sense that it isn't the same as smart delivery simply because psvr doesn't work on ps5 so games like Hitman 3 need the PS4 version installed to access VR content of Sony had a smart delivery system you would cause VR games to be unplayable.

Now Xbox having smart delivery is an excellent move always having the best possible version makes the most sense so both systems have Pros and cons but this scenario is simply publishers being greedy in the same way Sony was being greedy by locking out horizon forbidden West from.a upgrade path a community uproar stopped that so if enough people get upset at take two you never know but if we just accept it you'll never see it change

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

Boy are you reaching...when it comes to how games are upgraded from Last gen to current MS stomps Sony and it's not even close.

[glennhkboy]

that why we Xbox side are so vocal on Sony's $10 upgrade fee. We know this will affect all of us!

[Pancit_Canton]

What's the use of smart delivery then?

[Ausbo]

The point is they didn’t use it. There’s been a few publishers that don’t and 2K are one of them

[badz149]

Smart delivery is giving 2 copies for the price of 1. I don't think any other publishers and devs aside from MS's own would be willing to continue doing it after this year.

[nirwanda]

It's not about giving two copies away you only have on account do you not?
It's about making sure you get the best version of a game you have already paid for.
Will you going pay again for the 3rd time for ps5 pro upgrades of gow2 or miles or GT, don't think they won't if they think they can get away with it they are already doing it now with PS4 to ps5 versions.

[Terry_B]

People..be smart. Buy the game 12 months later in the inevitable goty / all included format on ps5, xb. Problem solved.

[JohnGibreci]

Hahhahahahaha. That's hilarious.

[Popsicle]

2K pretending they do not know how to use the smart delivery tech.

[poppatron]

Is it going to be a full price game as well?

[neutralgamer1992]

Everyone who said $70 games won't be a thing(and were blaming Sony only) here is another news flash for you. Whether we like it or not "and we don't" the price hike will become permanent and we will accept it you know why because we all accepted micro transactions in full price single player games

My fear is when next generation comes along these greedy publishers may try to raise it another $5-10. Greed has no boundaries

[Chevalier]

The funny thing was Sony getting multiple articles blaming them for the $70 games when Gearbox, 2K and EA set those $70 games before Sony listed there's.

[neutralgamer1992]

It's only Sony we blame man and anyone who defend Sony is labeled a fanboy and are you not aware of the Xbox fanboys fact that this site is run by playstation fans

[Chevalier]

Well game development cost are ballooning apparently so it definitely sucks that prices may go up. Hopefully we don't get shorter games with all this season pass BS or riddled with microtransactions

[SullysCigar]

Well that sucks.

[Lostbytes]

lol....70$ for the base game Plus they want you by the season pass........Will be passing on this one.This pricing structure will turn off a lot of people

[Profchaos]

It's because of smart delivery to a small extent but mostly publisher greed and reluctance to support pro consumer practices.

Smart delivery doesn't allow for paid upgrades the idea is you always have the best possible way to play your game but doesn't support paid upgrade paths.

See Tony hawk 1+2 as an example Activision refused to allow the game to be upgraded without paying a fee see the PS4 to ps5 update which cost gamers $10 to $15 from standard to digital deluxe so there is no upgrade path for physical xbox one owners which is a huge disappointment on Activisions part although they have never been supporting free updates outside of one game crash 4.

So realistically this isn't a platform limitation it's developers who believe they deserve a extra few $ for an upgrade and ms refusing to allow it meaning that gamers have to rebuy the entire game or miss out on a version.

[Knushwood Butt]

Crash 4 cost me 100 JPY to upgrade from PS4 to PS5.

[Profchaos]

Maybe it's different for different regions but I was sure my digital edition in Australia got a free upgrade.

[Knushwood Butt]

You are probably correct.

Japan often comes off worse, despite some people thinking the opposite.

100 JPY is a small amount but it still surprised me when I had to jump through that hoop!

[GhostofHorizon]

There might be laws in place for something like this. I think it's in Germany where they can't just throw something on the PS Store for free, it's set to a $1 like with your example there.

[Chevalier]

@Nakiro

" I think it's in Germany where they can't just throw something on the PS Store for free, it's set to a $1 like with your example there."

What?! Wow. What's the reasoning behind having to price stuff at $1 and not giving free DLC?!

[Elda]

No need for me to worry about this,when I decide to buy the game after released I'll buy the PS5 version.

[DaveZero]

Its certainly not Microsoft its these devs that have decided to do it. There are many games on xbox that allow games to be upgraded from standard to the best edition or from an xbox one edition to a series s/x.

[ocelot07]

Come on N4G only 45 comments so far and not to much outrage???? Sony did this last week with Horizon and got burnt to the ground for it. Where's the outrage for this?

[Chevalier]

Well even though 2K, Gearbox and EA did it first it's Sony's fault..... so..... multiple Sony articles and none for 2K, Gearbox and EA.... so yeah kind of ironic that Xbox fans think it's 'pro-Sony', except for these situations 🙄

[TheExecutioner]

I think everyone who is not satisfied needs to grow up. One day the free upgrades will be stoped.

companies were not clear about the free upgrade concept.

If a game were released on last-gen, dev can offer upgrades and it should be free. but new games which are cross-gen may not need to be free.

Some companies offer it some no. About the 10$ I think it's fair and you can buy the option you need as long it's running on the gen.

[Chevalier]

This will be only for the transition between generations and I think its only slightly longer grace period due to the pandemic and lack of next gen consoles. But yeah I agree this will go away as soon as there are more next gen systems out

[thesoftware730]

This is dumb, why are we even talking about MS? 2K made it clear that they would be scummy this gen, no matter what system, did we for get how they handled NBA2K next gen upgrades?

Once again this has nothing to do with MS, they do not set 3rd party game pricing and neither do Sony.

The difference is:
Sony Charges $70 for First party titles and/or a $10 fee for PS5 upgrade system on new games.

MS Charges $60, no upgrade fee on all 1st party games.

Who in their right mind was knocking Sony for 3rd party game pricing? I have never see an article reflecting 3rd party titles costing more on PS5 Vs XBOX, Its about the first party titles. Please stop the nonsense, this has nothing to do with MS or Sony.

[Chevalier]

Well then why were there so many articles about Sony when they weren't the first to do it?! Where's the article for 2K when they started this LAST year? So no one complained last year and 2K is continuing the precedent they set LAST year and NOW people complain?! I recall the Sony threads going into the hundreds quickly though.

How about Gearbox and EA again LAST year with $70 games? Where are the million people jumping all over them?! They did it LAST year BEFORE Sony did. Sony took the brunt of the complaints though when they were the what 4th company to do $70 games. They weren't even the 1st and everyone came out of the woodworks to blame them over 2K, Gearbox and EA. So if anything the blame is skewed significantly to Sony as if they set this trend up.

[thesoftware730]

Chevalier,
There were many articles talking about 2k and the terrible NBA2k upgrade, Twitter, reddit..all over. Activision takes heat ALL the time, nothing new there, Gearbox have been scum and lost so much respect after the Aliens game debacle, 100s of articles about it, same with EA, nothing new to see here when it comes to scummy tactics. Nintendo also get called out a lot, for very small or no price drops on first party games, selling old ports for $60, and having outdated hardware.

So what are you talking about? Oh I see, Sony gets onboard with a terrible idea, that others have been called out for or similar to scummy tactics companies and you get in a tit because they were called out for it? Think about what you are saying man, you sound whinny as shit, EA did it, 2K did it, so Sony can do it, leave them alone, really?

We aint talking bout EA, or Activision, in this case not even Sony, It's about GB and their scummyness, but somehow people turned this into a MS bad article, when they have nothing to do with GB pricing, it's not as if MS hardware is preventing a free upgrade, and they don't make the game or fund it..So wtf do MS have to do with this?

You ever hear the saying "Two wrongs don't make a right"

[Chevalier]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the outrage is not equal. The Sony threads had hundreds of comments whereas here it's no where close to those levels. If there were the level of complaints to 2K, Gearbox and EA this would have already been reversed.

Just look at how many people crapped all over (rightfully so I might add) Sony for Horizon Forbidden West and their all over the place pricing on upgrades or the lack of upgrade options. It took what 2 or 3 days and Sony responded immediately to all the negative press.

Where's all the rage towards 2K, Gearbox and EA?! If there was that much negative press towards these 3 then maybe they would hear us and drop the extra $10 upgrades and price jump. If there were we'd be having a different conversation most likely